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This year has been a disaster, reflecting the failures of Washington, D.C. I ran for Congress to address these issues, but it seems nothing has changed. It's frustrating to see celebrations over Doge while we're about to add another billion dollars to the deficit. Regarding Speaker Johnson, I'm disappointed; he has the potential to communicate more effectively. It's unacceptable that we haven't seen the proposed language yet, especially with a vote scheduled for this week.

Speaker 0 introduces a campaign to cut government waste, specifying that deficit reduction requires cutting billions from valued programs, but eliminating pointless waste should be easy. Speaker 1 claims there has been a tremendous amount of waste and fraud in the government during the Biden administration, estimating federal government fraud at half a trillion dollars. The goal is to reduce this figure, saving taxpayer money by stopping spending on things that very few taxpayers would agree makes sense, such as transgender animal surgeries. Speaker 1 also questions why twenty million people who are definitely dead are mocked as alive in the Social Security database.

The speaker discusses the impact of the budget increase under President Biden, highlighting the disproportionate spending per American compared to income. They mention rising inflation rates, decreased median household income, and job losses, emphasizing concerns about the growing debt exceeding GDP. The speaker questions the sustainability of these economic policies and expresses worry about the direction of the economy.

Speaker 0 questions the legitimacy of government spending, implying items like hammers and toilet seats don't actually cost $20,000 and $30,000 respectively. Speaker 1 objects to this line of questioning, stating it is devastating to their case.

We're witnessing the implications of having Dogecoin integrated into our system, heavily influenced by Elon Musk. The current bill proposes cutting funding for crucial research areas, including pediatric cancer, early detection of cervical and breast cancer, and conditions like Down syndrome and sickle cell anemia. These cuts are aimed at providing tax breaks for billionaires, reflecting Musk's idea of efficiency.

A recent poll reveals that 67% of people believe the US federal debt is unsustainable, and 60% think Doge is helping make major cuts in government expenditures. Robert Blouie notes that people are fired up about Elon Musk making cuts that politicians have only promised. Dan Turrentine agrees, stating Democrats are too focused on how Musk is doing it. The poll shows 72% of Democrats want reduced government expenditures, but creating that change can be chaotic. Turrentine believes Democrats need to be more open to cuts and not just raising taxes. Blouie thinks Musk could be more aggressive given the massive deficit, as it is a spending problem, not revenue. Turrentine says the real test will come when Congress starts trying to pass the reconciliation bill because it is the only way to get real deficit and debt reduction.

The speaker says he has always liked Elon Musk and is surprised by Musk's criticism regarding the bill. He would rather Musk criticize him than the bill because the bill is incredible, with $1.6 trillion in cuts, the biggest tax cut in history. The bill includes unbelievable benefits for small businesses, people, and middle-income individuals. Musk is upset because the EV mandate, which provided a lot of money for electric vehicles, was removed. Electric vehicle companies are having a hard time and want billions of dollars in subsidies. The speaker claims Musk knew about this from the beginning, and it hasn't changed.

**Speaker 0:** 212 Democrats voted against no tax on tips, Social Security, and overtime. If the government makes money and spends it responsibly, taxes aren't necessary. The new administration is holding the government accountable, and people are mad about it. **Speaker 1:** There's no tax on tips, overtime, or Social Security in the budget resolution. Taxes are normal. This utopia where nobody pays taxes isn't going to work. Read the budget before lecturing people about it.

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss government funding for scientific and medical research, focusing on a grant referred to as a Doge grant and a series of other NSF-funded projects. The exchange opens with Speaker 0 asking, “What is a birthing person?” and presses Speaker 1 to identify who birthing people are, including whether it is another word for a woman. Speaker 1 says he is not familiar with the Doge grant and notes that he takes a position that “all kinds of government research, medical, pharmacy” should be considered, but does not clarify the term further. Speaker 0 labels the term as erasure language and asks again whether a conference titled “gender equity in the mathematical study of commutative algebra” is a valid form of government spending. Speaker 1 replies that mathematical research of all types is deserving of government support. Speaker 0 asks about “women and non binary mathematicians” as described on the National Science Foundation’s website. Speaker 1 again supports government investment in mathematics broadly, stating, “I think all kinds of government investment should be dedicated toward mathematics.” When Speaker 0 questions whether there should be any limit on spending, Speaker 1 reiterates that he is talking about Doge, and notes he is not familiar with the particular grant but supports government investment in mathematical biology. Speaker 0 introduces another grant, “TranscendentHealth, adapting an LGB plus inclusive teen pregnancy prevention program for transgender boys,” and asks whether that is a useful form of tax spending. Speaker 1 says he is not familiar with that grant but emphasizes that bench research and government investment in scientific and pharmacotherapy are important, though he does not describe the grant’s specifics. Speaker 0 then asks about “the racialized basis of trait judgments from faces,” stating it is a $500,000 NSF grant, and asks for Speaker 1’s view. Speaker 1 confirms unfamiliarity with the subject matter but again asserts that government investment in all kinds of scientific research is of utmost importance. The conversation moves to “prostate steroid therapy and cardiovascular risk in the transgender female,” with Speaker 0 pressing on the usefulness of funding. Speaker 1 maintains that government investment in scientific research is important, without further qualification. The exchange ends with Speaker 0 thanking Speaker 1 for his testimony, and Speaker 1 acknowledging appreciation for the opportunity to testify.

Speaker 0 criticizes Speaker McCarthy for taking credit for the single subject appropriations bills, stating that it was not his original plan. They argue against lumping together departments like Education and Labor with the military and border patrol, calling it chaotic. Speaker 0 claims that they forced the change and warns that if Speaker McCarthy continues, the appropriations process will become a sideshow controlled by lobbyists and special interests. They express frustration with how the American people have been mistreated for decades and vow to fight against it.

Speaker 0 notes the enormous difficulty of doing that, saying, “In fact, the big majority of have been able to.” Speaker 1 reminds listeners that floor time in the Senate is finite, and outlines a lengthy slate of items that could be teed up for action on the Senate floor: a housing bill awaiting action, a market structure bill, possibly permitting reform, a farm bill, and a highway bill, with Russia sanctions and a whole host of other items also on the potential agenda. He says the conference will have a conversation about that, and he has committed to discussing the idea and determining whether the conference’s views on it indicate how they want to proceed. He adds that they will vote on the SAVE Act, but notes that triggering a talking filibuster has ramifications and implications everyone needs to be aware of. Speaker 1 explains that those discussions are necessary because the decision to pursue a talking filibuster would tie the floor up for an indefinite amount of time, with not only unlimited debate but also unlimited amendments. He emphasizes that the floor time is precious and that the decision will affect how much can be done on a wide range of important legislation. Speaker 0 interjects that the Senate Majority Leader and Speaker of the House were speaking at the same time, which is why the dialogue is jumping back and forth. He concludes with a brief update that the bill has passed, funding DHA.

The speaker discusses Matt Van Swal's summary of the "Doge situation," claiming Doge is one of the most popular government initiatives ever. According to the summary, 73% of Americans support cutting government waste, and Trump brought in "the smartest man on earth" to do it. However, the left allegedly destroyed Elon Musk for his involvement, and the GOP won't vote on it. Elon Musk responded to the post with "did my best." The speaker expresses frustration that Congress will not codify the savings, despite Musk's efforts. The speaker notes Marjorie Taylor Greene is trying to get it codified. The speaker believes Congress thwarting the effort is a tragedy.

The speaker asserts there is waste in government spending, which was the idea behind "doge." Elon Musk did not find $2 trillion, but he only worked on it for 130 days. The idea that there must be a perpetual audit of government is now embedded in everyone's head, regardless of political affiliation. The brand for this idea is "Doge."

The speaker credits the president for enabling Elon Musk's involvement with Doge. They also praise the president for allowing an outside team of experts to analyze government departments and identify potential cuts. According to the speaker, this team found $160 billion in annual administrative cuts. However, these cuts require congressional approval. The speaker acknowledges that some Republicans are not in favor of the necessary austerity measures to enact these cuts.

Speaker 0 highlights that the report indicates the federal government wasted millions in the past year on transgender animal experiments and lab testing beagles in China, noting a contrast with funds used for voting identification. He frames the issue as a question of priorities: we don’t want to pay for people to have an ID to vote, but we’ll pay for lab testing beagles in China. Speaker 1 responds by acknowledging the presence of extensive federal spending and the need for greater oversight. He says this is the ninth year they have worked through this, and that there is always a need for more eyes on it and greater transparency. He emphasizes that the problem is not confined to a single administration or Congress, but rather that there is broad complexity requiring scrutiny and sunshine. Speaker 1 identifies the shutdown as the largest area of waste in the prior year, stating that $85,000,000,000 was lost during that period. He argues that shutdowns do have real fiscal impacts, countering a common belief that they do not affect outcomes. He then points to a specific critique: a quarter of a billion dollars was spent on transitioning mice and monkeys by NIH. He claims that American taxpayers do not want their dollars spent on such activities, and reiterates that taxpayers are more supportive of spending on national defense, education, and infrastructure, but not on what he describes as wasteful or inappropriate expenditures. Across the exchange, the speakers stress the overarching theme of government spending that does not align with the public’s perceived priorities. They emphasize the need for oversight and accountability, highlighting large-scale waste associated with shutdowns and specific research expenditures. The dialogue centers on contrasting perceived essential investments with expenditures they describe as wasteful or misaligned with taxpayer priorities, especially in the context of animal research and international laboratory activities.

Speaker 0 recalls the initial excitement and caution around Dogecoin, noting some people were euphoric while others were more cautious about its potential to cut spending. He asks David about the early perception and whether there was fear of losing work or reducing government. Speaker 1 says it was a funny situation because it happened right before the election. He invited Dr. Paul on his show, A Neighbor's Choice, and describes an idea to challenge the “deep state” on Halloween by asking Dr. Paul to help Elon Musk cut $2,000,000,000,000. He explains he asked Dr. Paul if he’d be willing to help, and Dr. Paul responded politely, not seeking a job but willing to help if asked. This led to Elon Musk expressing interest in bringing Ron Paul on board with Doge, generating a big reaction on Twitter, with memes and images, and people saying they would support changes if Ron Paul helped Doge. After the election, however, there was no follow-up, and Speaker 1 suggests Doge did not become the dog that hunts. Speaker 0 adds a cautious tone, saying he doesn’t like to be overly optimistic or pessimistic, but felt compelled to be cautious about Doge due to momentum from large spending, special interests, and the sacredness of liberty within democracy. He wished well but urged waiting to see what happens, noting the momentum might not last. Speaker 2 notes the weekend exclusive that Doge does not exist with eight months left on its charter, highlighting acrimony and negative commentary about Ron Paul’s involvement. He emphasizes that Ron Paul did not intend to join any administration and would help any party that wanted to actually cut government. He suggests it’s easy to become black-pilled about the situation. He contends the president has been captured by DC, describing Gaza, a bloodbath in Gaza, Venezuela, and the ongoing Ukraine-Russia war as ongoing issues. He asserts that Doge was massively popular and that Trump rode that wave into the White House with libertarian support, but as Trump veered away from that stance, his numbers dropped despite claims of improvement on Truth Social. He argues Trump’s declining numbers are evident in major polls, and that the deep state influenced the situation, with the deep state running DC. Overall, the discussion centers on the rise and decline of Doge’s political relevance, Ron Paul’s involvement, Elon Musk’s role, and the broader political environment including Trump’s trajectory, foreign conflicts, and the influence of the “deep state.”

Speaker 0 expresses disappointment in Elon, stating, "I've helped Elon a lot." Speaker 1 asks if Elon raised concerns privately before making them public and questions whether Elon should be taken seriously about spending cuts, given his role in that area. Speaker 0 responds that Elon worked hard and did a good job, suggesting Elon misses his former position, noting the unique appeal of the Oval Office.

The speaker believes Doge is a crucial reform initiative, evidenced by the strong negative reaction to it. Over the past seven weeks, the narrative has shifted from waste, fraud, and abuse to the idea that Elon and Doge have revealed government operations as slush funds for the left, allegedly funding allies, pet projects, and anti-American behavior. The speaker is pleased with Trump's public support for Elon and Doge's work. They also mention "crystal knock behavior of the little fascists on the left burning Tesla dealerships and attacking Tesla owners."

There are no Doge cuts, and this is not USAID. The speaker is talking about waste and fraud, specifically in Medicaid, and claims no one has been turned over to the DOJ for fraud. Elon Musk gave false hope to a political class that doesn't want to cut anything. The big bill has problems, but it passed because Musk promised a trillion dollars. The rescission next week is $9 billion, with $2 billion from PBS and NPR. There's supposedly $7 billion in fraud on a $7 trillion budget. Musk committed $1 trillion to the President, leading to questions about whether it's all "BS."

The speaker expresses agreement with someone frustrated about the country becoming "debt slaves." This individual believes Congress needs to regain the ability to say "no." Despite this agreement, the speaker is not yet prepared to abandon the current bill.

The speaker expresses disbelief that the Department of Energy allegedly spent $93 billion in the 76 days between President Trump's election and President Biden taking office. They clarify that the funds were disbursed as loans to entities lacking business plans or financial records. The speaker characterizes this as "distasteful" and "confidence undermining."

The speaker claims $5 trillion in untraceable payments exist with no record of where the money went. They allege Social Security sent out $72 billion in bad checks, and the head of Social Security resigned. The speaker finds the resignation suspicious. Speaker 1 asserts there is no waste in the Pentagon, Treasury, or HHS. Speaker 1 asks why Speaker 0 is not celebrating cuts and reforms if they agree there is waste, abuse, and corruption. Speaker 1 claims billions of dollars are being saved. Speaker 0 attempts to calm Speaker 1 down, stating they are not having a debate. Speaker 1 insists they are not trying to debate and will speak freely about saving Americans billions of dollars.