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I'm just tired of the Epstein conversation. These powerful people implicated in these files will never let them be released. I'm putting the Epstein files in the same category as the JFK files, things the American people will never see because the people involved are still in control. It's amazing how anything implicating Israel is never declassified. Look at JFK's assassination and his arguments with Israel's Prime Minister, Ben Gurion. JFK demanded AIPAC register as foreign agents, then he was shot, and we can't see those files either. With Epstein's apparent Mossad connections, it becomes too complicated to release files. Now, we're told phase one is coming, but they need to blackout victims' names. 250 names? I could do that in an hour. I'm just tired of the political back and forth and pretending. As soon as Israel might be involved, transparency goes out the window. Phase one was a nothing burger.

Jeffrey Epstein likely worked for non-American intelligence services, and it's acceptable to question on whose behalf he operated. How did he acquire his wealth and connections without a college degree? Epstein had direct connections to a foreign government, and it's acceptable to name Israel without being hateful or anti-Semitic. Criticizing a government's behavior is a right of citizenship, not an act of disloyalty. Citizens have the right to expect their government to act in their interest and to demand that foreign governments not act against their interest. Many in Washington D.C. believe Epstein was running a blackmail operation for a foreign government, possibly Mossad, but are afraid to say it. The longer this is avoided, the more hateful the conversation becomes. The question of whether this happened should be asked directly to the Israeli government, and their refusal to answer should be unacceptable as long as the U.S. provides them with money. Citizens have a right to know if crimes were committed on U.S. soil.

The focus has primarily been on Epstein and specific aspects of his case, overlooking the broader implications of connections to him. Having ties to Epstein does not inherently imply that someone is a pedophile or a victim of sexual blackmail; often, these connections are related to business and financial interests. If Epstein was involved in financial crimes linked to organized crime and intelligence, this warrants further investigation. However, there has been little interest in exploring these connections, which should be addressed.

Epstein was not some sort of whiz kid hedge fund manager. Epstein was playing a part. Epstein was a LARPer. And this is no longer just speculation. Members of congress are actively being blackmailed. The Epstein playbook is being used on a daily basis. Jeffrey Epstein was not a financier. Jeffrey Epstein was not a hedge fund manager. Jeffrey Epstein was a key player in a multi decade blackmail operation against the most powerful people on the planet. Epstein was a creation of Mossad, Israeli intelligence, American intelligence, Saudi intelligence, or maybe he was just a hired gun. Yeah? Just a tiny bit.

Speaker 0 discusses the nature of the allegations surrounding Epstein and the broader “pedo” discourse. They begin by asking whether the situation is essentially pedophilia, noting a reluctance to voice this directly but concluding that they feel compelled to say it. They state: “This whole pedo thing, it's like, isn't it really pedophilia? I don't wanna be the one that has to say it, but I guess I'm being forced to say it.” They then attempt to distinguish between what some describe as trafficking and what they consider the case to be, saying: “It's not really pedophilia, okay? They weren't trafficking five year olds, it was like they were technically not legal. Big difference in my opinion.” They acknowledge this as a controversial perspective and proceed to articulate a position: “I know that's a controversial take, but that's not really the issue there, Okay? The issue is not that they were barely legal teens, which is what it is. It's horrendous, it's awful, it's pedophilia.” The speaker then shifts the topic away from the legality of the ages to a related, more conspiratorial claim, emphasizing that the core issue, in their view, lies in an alleged association between Epstein and a broader espionage context. They insist: “Okay, relax. No, the issue is that Epstein is a Jewish spy probably working with Israel.” They frame Epstein as being connected to Israeli intelligence, presenting this as the central dilemma rather than the specifics of the sexual exploitation allegations. Throughout, Speaker 0 presents a sequence of framed assertions: first, a provocative reframing of the ethical category involved (from illegal but not strictly illegal acts to pedophilia), then a qualitative judgment about the severity and nature of the acts themselves, and finally a shift to a geopolitical and intelligence-related conspiracy claim about Epstein’s possible affiliation with Jewish identity and Israeli intelligence. The speaker explicitly acknowledges the controversial nature of their viewpoint but maintains that the primary concern is not the legal characterization of the victims’ ages but the asserted espionage connection. No further context, evidence, or qualifiers are provided in the excerpt, and the speaker does not offer evidence supporting the espionage claim within this transcript. The emphasis remains on contrasting opinions about how to categorize the behavior, followed by a bold assertion regarding Epstein’s alleged role as a Jewish spy associated with Israel.

- "I believe that the American government is sort of trapped by the Israelis. Jeffrey Epstein is one of their tools to trap them." - "Bill Clinton, president Bill Clinton, Ehud Barak met Arafat in the nineties, and there was no deal. The reason was Epstein. They were being blackmailed by Epstein." - "They were about to reach an agreement there for a two state solution, but that was stopped because of Epstein." - "And I believe the Israelis have the American government captive due to what happened what happens with Epstein or what happened in the past with Epstein." - "But everything is stuck over Gazelle." - "I don't think Trump wants to continue this war or the genocide. I think it's the Israelis holding him back." - "John f Kennedy was assassinated with Israeli intelligence help."

The transcript centers on a chain of controversial claims and geopolitical financial narratives tied to Epstein, Fort Knox, and looming shifts in global power and economics. - Epstein and the 2008 financial collapse: Epstein is described as openly commenting on Fort Knox’s “lack of gold,” while allegedly being on a payphone from his jail cell with the heads of Bear Stearns and JPMorgan during the Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers turmoil. The speaker asserts Epstein dialed Bear Stearns first and then JPMorgan, claiming he was advising “these sick people” during the crisis. - Solitary confinement calls and real-time intelligence: Speaker 2 recounts being in solitary confinement and having two phones to talk to Bear Stearns and JPMorgan simultaneously, noting the difficulty of keeping conversations private due to safety concerns. - Epstein’s broader role and authenticity questions: The speaker suggests the global elite, described as “globalists,” were taking Epstein’s calls from prison and that Epstein’s involvement points to a broader pattern of influence over financial systems. The speaker questions whether Epstein is dead, asserting the body in the correctional facility was not Epstein and claiming the noose was swapped, arguing that Epstein is alive and living “in Israel somewhere.” - Fort Knox gold and public narratives: The discussion clarifies that Epstein-related materials do not contain Epstein confessing to personally verifying missing gold; instead, they reference a forwarded 2011 email alleging Fort Knox is empty and that the government sold gold and did not refill it. The speaker notes that the official position is that Fort Knox holds about 147,000,000 ounces of gold, with the Treasury secretary assuring that the gold is accounted for through audits, though access to view it is restricted (Rand Paul’s inability to see it is cited). - Related public skepticism and attempts to verify: The segment references failed attempts to livestream Fort Knox’s vault and prior plans for Trump to inspect the vault, underscoring perceived gaps between public expectation and access to verify gold reserves. - Economic and geopolitical implications: The narrative broadens to link Epstein’s files to current events, suggesting a “globalist collapse” and connecting elite corruption to systemic power. It ties three tracks: Epstein-file revelations eroding trust in elites; the U.S. government hardening its supply chains against China by building an American minerals stockpile called “Project Vault”; and China’s push to promote the yuan as a global reserve currency, with Xi Jinping explicitly advocating for the yuan to gain reserve status and broaden its use in trade and investment. - Currency and mineral leverage: The speaker argues that a reserve-currency shift requires confidence, deep markets, stable rules, and commodity leverage, including silver, gold, and other critical minerals. The end result is framed as a broader realignment where control over minerals and currencies intersects with geopolitical competition, including the end of the START treaty with Russia, suggesting a move toward a new cold-war dynamic with larger nuclear arsenals and shifting strategic dependencies. - Conclusion and forward look: The speaker ties Epstein’s disclosures, global elite networks, and the mineral/currency shifts into a single narrative about a reshaping of global power, with ongoing questions about prosecutions of high-profile figures and the potential for dramatic political ramifications in the near term. - Sponsor/Investment segment (omitted from promotional emphasis): The transcript includes a sponsor segment about StreamX and a proposed gold-backed product (GLDY) with high insider ownership and potential yield, pitched as a disruptive development in the gold ETF space; however, this promotional content is not elaborated upon in detail in this summary.

Epstein was not some sort of whiz kid hedge fund manager. Epstein was playing a part. Epstein was a LARPer. Epstein was cast for a specific role, and he played it really well. First of all, the evidence that shows that Epstein was a creation of either Mossad, Israeli intelligence, American intelligence, Saudi intelligence, or maybe he was just a hired gun. Members of congress are actively being blackmailed. The Epstein playbook is being used on a daily basis. Jeffrey Epstein was not a financier. He was not a hedge fund manager. Jeffrey Epstein was a key player in a multi decade blackmail operation against the most powerful people on the planet.

Epstein was not some sort of whiz kid hedge fund manager. Epstein was playing a part. Epstein was a LARPer. they said he was awfully unimpressive when it came to finance and markets and economics. First of all, the evidence that shows that Epstein was a creation of either Mossad, Israeli intelligence, American intelligence, Saudi intelligence, or maybe he was just a hired gun. Members of congress are actively being blackmailed. The Epstein playbook is being used on a daily basis. Jeffrey Epstein was not a financier. Jeffrey Epstein was a key player in a multi decade blackmail operation against the most powerful people on the planet.

Matt claims that Epstein was an operator for a foreign government, leveraging compromising situations to control behavior, a tactic used by multiple intelligence agencies. He believes the reluctance to reveal the truth about Epstein stems from the US government's similar practices. The conversation then shifts to hard drives found in Epstein's house marked as evidence, which have not been released. Matt posits a countervailing theory: releasing such materials without evidentiary review could set a dangerous precedent, allowing for politically motivated leaks and mischaracterizations of evidence. He then suggests that a foreign government, in concert with elements within the US government at a state-to-state level, was responsible for Epstein's death, possibly due to weapon systems and global deals at play. He admits this is just a theory.

Speaker: The speaker argues that we need to step back and examine the bigger picture of what was really going on with Epstein. According to the speaker, Epstein was “more than just a serial pedophile and a pervert. He was an incredibly powerful man,” who, in “multiple instances in the files that were just released,” was “talking about his work for Mossad, talking about his work for the Rothschilds.” The speaker emphasizes that this points to a broader pattern or operation, stating a need to “discuss the blackmail operation that was taking place” and asking, “which government that's a special ally of The United States put him up to it?” The speaker then questions the nature of U.S. alliances, asking, “do we really want to be allies with the country that kidnaps young girls, for rape just so they can have dirt on American politicians and control our foreign policy.” This line of inquiry is presented as the bigger underlying issue that, in the speaker’s view, has not been sufficiently discussed. The focus remains on connecting Epstein’s alleged activities to a broader blackmail or influence operation involving a foreign ally, and on the implications of such an alliance for U.S. political decision-making and foreign policy.

Jeffrey Epstein's wealth and connections raise questions about who he was working for, possibly foreign intelligence services. It's acceptable to ask if he worked for a foreign government, such as Israel, without it being considered hateful or anti-Semitic. Criticizing a government's actions is a right of citizenship, not an act of disloyalty. Many in Washington believe Epstein had connections to Mossad and ran a blackmail operation for a foreign government. The speaker questions why this can't be openly discussed. The speaker believes avoiding the topic creates resentment and hate. The Israeli government should be asked directly if they were involved, and their refusal to answer is unacceptable. As long as the U.S. provides financial aid, citizens have a right to know if crimes were committed on U.S. soil.

"We're just gonna try to we're we're gonna just stamp out everything type type of practice, but it goes to the point where if, for example, if I I have less ability sometimes online to criticize the Israeli government about backlash than actual Israelis do. And that's really, really weird, isn't it, Megan?" "That's not right. Wrong headed." "I So got some blowback after saying Mossad possibilities with Epstein, a comment behind which I stand." "I've, of course, reported what Alan Dershowitz has said as his lawyer." "He says, I think he would have told me." "He didn't say he had any of those connections." "I hear all that. That doesn't mean it's not true." "It's one of the many things that should be explored around Epstein." "But saying that and also saying he might be a US asset, etcetera, doesn't make you antisemitic."

One of the largest political figures in America is assassinated on live TV, prompting the question: "was this a professional assassination?" The speaker says, "not usually are they planning out a carefully orchestrated hit that involves them getting away clean, and then giving a whole text message admission of guilt on regular old texts." He adds, "we have more than enough evidence to be asking the question, was there intelligence agencies involved." He notes, "the Israel conversation is not one. No one is claiming at this point that Israel was involved in this in any way," while claiming, "I have made that claim because I'm not involved." "This is not my case to solve. I was not involved. I didn't know Charlie." "Since day one, we have gotten more and more and more evidence that maybe we should be looking in Israel's direction." He cites, "an entire Wikipedia page dedicated to the list of Israeli assassinations." He states, "Epstein worked for Israel" and asks, "Do you think there's any intel community involvement in this?" He continues, "I wouldn't be surprised one bit. I am convinced based on my own sources and my own reporting on this story. He wasn't one of ours." "So he was an American, which leads basically three options, MI six, Saudi, or Mossad? Which one would you choose? I guess Mossad, given his connection to Ghislain Maxwell." The crowd cheers.

Discussion centers on why Epstein files aren’t public and reluctance; Tucker Carlson is mentioned. Speaker 1 says the president views it as "this is all a trap" and that it "reminds him of Russiagate"; "He had nothing to do with Epstein," and transparency "would have helped the country" and "the administration a lot." The other host wonders why fear of exposure matters. Speaker 1 testifies, "I knew Epstein. He did creepy stuff at my club. I kicked him out." Epstein was "always around" with figures like "Ahud Barak is living there. He's got Stephen Hawking and he's got members of the British So Royal on that level," and "half the people on television hung out with Epstein." He notes Epstein had contact with Israeli, US, and "most critically British intelligence" and ends, "There's nothing bad that happens that doesn't have British intelligence involved in it, I have noticed a lot."

Powerful Epstein clients like Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, and Reid Hoffman, may have been worried about the list coming out. It's frustrating that the list isn't being released. Releasing insignificant information is pointless. The public will be frustrated if no one is prosecuted, especially since Ghislaine Maxwell is in jail for sex trafficking. It's insane not to name the clients. It's stunning they've held it back so long. Many things are common knowledge, but we lack proof. When Epstein's place was raided, there must have been a mountain of evidence. Who took possession of it? Where are the tapes? We need tech-savvy people. When they raided his home and the island, they must have gotten everything. If it wasn't there, where is it? It has to be uploaded somewhere, with a chain of custody and a mountain of evidence.

Epstein was not some sort of whiz kid hedge fund manager. Epstein was playing a part. Epstein was a LARPer. And this is no longer just speculation. First of all, the evidence that shows that Epstein was a creation of either Mossad, Israeli intelligence, American intelligence, Saudi intelligence, or maybe he was just a hired gun. Members of congress are actively being blackmailed. The Epstein playbook is being used on a daily basis. Jeffrey Epstein was not a financier. He was not a hedge fund manager. Jeffrey Epstein was a key player in a multi decade blackmail operation against the most powerful people on the planet.

Nick Bryant and Brian (the host) discuss a new tranche of Jeffrey Epstein-related documents and the broader implications of the material that has surfaced. Key points and claims from the conversation: - Torture emails: Four emails in the torture section reference explicit discussions of torture, including an exchange with the UAE Sultan (referred to as “the Sultan”) mentioning a torture video and a note that the Sultan was in China; a Harvard professor, Martin Nowak, with Epstein noting “Did you torture her?”; and an Italian hedge fund partner, with Epstein asking “do you want me to try to do her or just torture her?” These emails raise questions about the cruelty described, with Nick noting that “these are incriminating emails,” while Brian observes that some messages suggest saving details for a phone call. - The broader pattern: Nick emphasizes that Epstein seemingly operated “above the law” and communicated with a circle that believes they are beyond accountability. He notes that some emails include casual references to pizza, muffins, and dinner, but that the torture-related messages are especially ominous. - Zoro Ranch and possible graves: The discussion revisits the Zoro Ranch (New Mexico) with claims about trafficking and possible burials. An extreme email from 2019, allegedly from Edward, describes two foreign girls buried on orders of Epstein and Maxwell, with multiple attached videos and extortion demands. Nick mentions reports that a Fox News story covered stolen USBs containing underage footage, though Fox News reportedly declined to view the material. The possibility that bodies are buried at Zoro Ranch remains a focal point of speculation. - Baby and cloning themes: The conversation covers allegations of a “baby factory” at Zoro Ranch and discussions of human cloning. Nick cites a 1995 Dolly the Sheep milestone and explains how cloning could be technically possible, suggesting Epstein might have been intrigued by the idea of cloning himself. They discuss emails about black market babies and Epstein’s interest in having a baby, with a direct claim that Epstein asked a victim to have his baby. Nick notes that another victim, Rina Oh, described Epstein asking her to have his baby, and that additional victims corroborate similar inquiries. - Eugenics, hormones, and infant development: The dialogue mentions an email from Robert Trevers about hormone manipulation to shape newborns (male/female genitalia) and a UCLA neuroscientist, Mark Trammell, describing “how to enhance a baby’s sucking ability” via a provocative email to Epstein. The pair stress how shocking these emails appear because they involve high-profile academics communicating with Epstein. - Access to classified material and international links: An email allegedly from a former Norwegian prime minister forwarding a “classified” polio report to Bill Gates is cited as an example of Epstein’s access to sensitive information and high-level networks. They question how Epstein could access and share classified data, though they acknowledge his extensive intelligence-community connections. - Intelligence connections and power networks: The discussion explores how Epstein might have operated as a blackmailer within a web of powerful individuals. Nick argues Epstein could not have controlled or coerced the most powerful people on his own; instead, an intelligence-backed network or protection might exist. They reference the possibility that Epstein worked with both Israeli and American intelligence, noting Channel 4’s reporting that only a fraction of the millions of documents have been released, and that Israeli intelligence reportedly installed security systems at Epstein’s Manhattan apartment, which could suggest access to additional material. - Notable named figures and procurement patterns: They discuss Les Wexner (Victoria’s Secret founder), Reid Hoffman, Howard Lutnick, Alan Dershowitz, and others as individuals who should be looked into more deeply. Nick asserts Wexner’s involvement in Epstein’s operations and suggests that some procureurs—like Sarah Kellen, Leslie Groff, Adriana Marcincova, and Adriana Ross—could be indicted if the government shows the will to prosecute. They maintain that a congressional commission could reveal why child trafficking was covered up and who perpetrated it. - Legal and political action: Nick promotes Epstein Justice (epsteinjustice.com) and advocates for an independent congressional commission comprised of non-government personnel to investigate and prosecute perpetrators. He argues that, with political will, authorities could file indictments and compel witnesses to testify. Surprising or unique elements emphasized: - The extent of explicit torture discussions in Epstein-related emails and their potential implications for criminal liability. - The assertion of a “baby factory” at Zoro Ranch and the possibility of baby-related genetic or reproductive experiments involving Epstein’s circle. - Claims of frequent, direct engagement with high-level public figures and academics on ethically or legally egregious topics, including cloning, hormone manipulation in infants, and sexual exploitation. - The suggestion that Epstein’s material could be tied to intelligence agencies (Israeli and American), with security systems installed by the Israeli government at Epstein’s residence used as potential evidence of deeper access to incriminating material. Concluding note: Nick urges ongoing public pressure for an independent congressional commission to uncover why child trafficking was allegedly covered up and to prosecute perpetrators, stressing that investigators would need to rely on the testimony of victims who feel safe to come forward.

The speaker expresses frustration with the official narrative surrounding Jeffrey Epstein, believing the US government dismissed legitimate questions. They claim the DOJ didn't release incriminating sex videos because they don't exist, alleging the original search warrant was designed to protect Epstein, suggesting a cover-up since 2007. The speaker questions the source of Epstein's wealth and whether he was working on behalf of intelligence services, possibly foreign, and specifically mentions Israel. They argue that asking these questions is not anti-Semitic or hateful, but a right of citizens to understand if foreign governments were acting against US interests. They highlight the need to openly discuss Epstein's connections and address the possibility of blackmail operations. The speaker demands answers from the government, asserting that citizens deserve transparency and should not be insulted for seeking it.

Claims that Epstein, with Ghislain and Ghislain's father Robert Maxwell, “who is obviously a spy of the Israeli intelligence agencies, that there was something else going on here.” Epstein “was not some sort of whiz kid hedge fund manager” and “Epstein was playing a part. Epstein was a LARPer.” He was “cast for a specific role, and he played it really well.” The speaker notes the appearance “the sweatpants and the Harvard jacket, the kind of disheveled hair” and that those who met him said he “was awfully unimpressive when it came to finance and markets and economics.” It is claimed that “the evidence that shows that Epstein was a creation of either Mossad, Israeli intelligence, American intelligence, Saudi intelligence, or maybe he was just a hired gun.” “Maybe he was just the guy that countries would go to and park a couple $100,000,000 and say, hey, can you get one of the members of the royal family with a 13 year old so we can get them to do what we wanna do?” “Members of congress are actively being blackmailed.” “The Epstein playbook is being used on a daily basis.” “Jeffrey Epstein was not a financier. He was not a hedge fund manager.” “Jeffrey Epstein was a key player in a multi decade blackmail operation against the most powerful people on the planet.”

Speaker 0 addresses the topic of the Epstein situation, expressing a controversial viewpoint about labeling the matter. They begin by saying, "This whole pedo thing, it's like, isn't it really pedophilia? I don't wanna be the one that has to say it, but I guess I'm being forced to say it." They then attempt to clarify their stance by asserting, "It's not really pedophilia, okay? They weren't trafficking five year olds, it was like they were technically not legal. Big difference in my opinion." The speaker acknowledges that this interpretation is controversial, adding, "I know that's a controversial take, but that's not really the issue there, Okay, the issue is not that they were barely legal teens, which is what it is." They continue to differentiate between the legality and the ethical horror, insisting, "It's horrendous, it's awful, it's pedophilia, okay." However, despite labeling it pedophilia, they pivot to a different focal point, stating, "No, the issue is that Epstein is a Jewish spy probably working with Israel." The speaker characterizes Epstein as being "probably working with Israel" and frames this as the underlying dilemma. They conclude by reiterating their position, "He's working with Israeli intelligence," emphasizing that this supposed affiliation constitutes the core of the dilemma discussed.

The speaker discusses Epstein-related documents and the implications people draw from them. They claim: - The memo circulated with media suggesting Jeffrey Epstein worked for the KGB, and that Epstein might have had multiple passports, talked to Israeli politicians and Jewish businessmen, and repeatedly invokes his Jewish identity. - In an email with former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, Epstein says he’s totally not working for Mossad. - Former Mossad officer Ari Ben Menashe says Epstein was working for Mossad. - In documents, Mark Iverson states that Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwell, and Jeffrey Epstein were working for Mossad; the speaker asserts that Robert Maxwell was not a Soviet spy. - British Foreign Office and Israeli whistleblowers say Epstein was working for Mossad, and he was given a hero’s burial in Israel, not in Russia. - In an actual email with Peter Thiel, Epstein says that he represents the Rothschild family. - The speaker poses questions: If a Russian passport proves he works for Russia, does boarding CIA planes prove he works for the United States? If he has a blackmail list on United Kingdom politicians, does that prove he works for the British? If he talks to Emmanuel Macron and prime minister Nicolas Sarkozy, does that prove he works for the French? The speaker concludes that, regardless, Epstein’s primary loyalties are with his people. - The speaker asserts that Zionists on Twitter claim the Epstein documents are a “nothingburger,” and urge continuing with other topics; they accuse those who disagreed of having low IQ and claim the documents reveal clear content with their own eyes. - Senator Bernie Sanders is described as saying this is a cautionary tale about wealth and power; the speaker counters by saying “your cousins” are helping orchestrate this, and that Sanders has repeatedly criticized Israel. - The speaker accuses proponents of diverting attention from the primary culprit and states that such attempts are not working on anyone.

Jeffrey Epstein was working on behalf of Intel Services, likely not American, and it's valid to question on whose behalf he operated. How did he go from a math teacher to owning multiple airplanes, a private island, and a large Manhattan house without a college degree? Epstein had direct connections to a foreign government, and while people avoid naming Israel, there's nothing wrong, hateful, antisemitic, or anti-Israel about asking if he worked for Mossad, running a blackmail operation. Everyone in Washington D.C. suspects this, but feels unable to voice it. The speaker believes open discussion is better than suppressed resentment and hate. The question of whether this happened has been posed to the Israeli government, who declined to answer. The speaker argues that as long as the U.S. sends Israel money, the U.S. has a right to know if Israel committed crimes on U.S. soil.

Discussion centers on why Epstein files should be public and why both parties avoid reasons. "It's all a trap," the host says, noting the president views the matter as a Democrat trap similar to "Russiagate." He claims the president "knew Epstein" and "he did creepy stuff at my club. I kicked him out." The speakers suggest transparency would have helped credibility. They describe Epstein's prominence in New York society, listing guests "Ehud Barak" and "members of the British So Royal," arguing that "having dinner with him" isn’t proof of crime. They question why intelligence agencies tolerate such associations, speculating "He clearly had contact with Israeli intelligence. He clearly had contact with US intelligence, and maybe most critically British intelligence," describing British intelligence as "probably a little scarier than Mossad and CIA" and noting "There's nothing bad that happens that doesn't have British intelligence involved in it, I have noticed."