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Speaker 0 asserts: it's a terrible, unspeakable evil, and he believes that himself. When he first heard the rumor, he kicked him out of Mar-a-Lago. He was an FBI informant to try to take this stuff down. The president knows.

Speaker notes that there is fear people want Trump to have done something gross with women, but 'I really don't believe wanna be clear. I do not believe that. Yeah. Not covering for Trump. I just don't think that's true.' They insist there is no indication, saying they've spoken to people 'close to Epstein, very close to Epstein, who've told me off camera, in private, no, it's not. Trump never did that shit.' The speaker adds, 'So I don't think it's about that.' They question why 'no one talking to Les Wexner?' and end with 'And' (truncated). The focus remains unclear.

I did not like Jeffrey Epstein and never wanted anything to do with him. While others associated with him, went to his island and other places, I never did. I have good taste. James Patterson, a member of Mar-a-Lago, confirmed that I threw Epstein out many years ago. I am not a fan of him. Also, those who came into the country illegally must be deported.

Bill Clinton is mentioned in relation to Jeffrey Epstein's island, which is described as a cesspool. The speaker claims to have knowledge of the planes associated with the island, but clarifies that they are not friends with the people involved. The speaker distances themselves from Epstein, stating that they threw him out of their club many years ago and never visited his island. They mention that others, including James Patterson, have also distanced themselves from Epstein. The speaker acknowledges knowing Epstein in the past but claims to have had a falling out and not being a fan of his for about 15 years.

Speaker 1 says that the real information about the Epstein files has not come out and that “there were only four Republicans, four of us that’s really fought to get them released,” who “signed the discharge petition, went against the White House,” and were “threatened,” with Donald Trump calling him a traitor and saying his friends would be hurt. He questions why anyone would vote for Republicans if the administration doesn’t release all the information, framing it as a line in the sand for many people. Speaker 0 asks why they think the Epstein files are being hidden. Speaker 1 responds that it’s because the hidden information would protect “some of the most rich, powerful people,” arguing that Epstein was “definitely some sort of part of the intelligence state” who was “working with Israel” and with the “former prime minister of Israel.” He asserts that these are “the dirty parts of government and the powers that be that they don’t want the American people to know about.” He concludes that, sadly, he doesn’t think the files will come out. Speaker 0 presses on whether Trump is in the Epstein files. Speaker 1 speculates that if someone is “living under blackmail” or “living under threat” and told not to release information, that fear could influence actions. He suggests that someone might be warned by threats to prevent disclosure, giving a hypothetical example: after standing on a rally stage, you could be shot in the ear and warned that “next time we won’t miss,” or that the bullet might be for someone you care about. He says he is “speculating,” but notes he has “a strong enough reason to speculate like that.”

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss whether arrests will occur under Trump and how they might be framed. - Speaker 0 asks if arrests will happen under Trump and if figures like Bill Clinton or Obama will be arrested, suggesting that any arrests might be part of “dark handing the keys off to the light” and that the deep state would sacrifice some players. - Speaker 1 responds by outlining alleged close connections: Trump was one of Epstein’s closest friends; Howard Letnick was Epstein’s neighbor; the first lady was Epstein’s girlfriend. He argues that Epstein’s relationship to Israel and the Mossad, and the president’s loyalty to Israel, are significant, and contends that many would say this loyalty goes beyond the United States. He adds a dismissive remark that the other speaker is “smoking dope.” - Speaker 0 contends there will be arrests but believes they will be for optics to bolster support for Trump, implying the releases would be to energize followers and that “deep state players” will be sacrificed. - Speaker 1 refers to certain individuals as “chew toys,” naming Fauci and Gates, suggesting they are used as targets or distractions. He reiterates skepticism that any arrests have occurred so far, noting that Trump has been in power for a year and there hasn’t been an arrest. - The conversation touches on the speed of data-center-related actions and mentions “Stargate” as part of what Trump did, implying rapid actions or moves on day one.

The speaker asserts that the effort to release the Epstein files came directly from President Trump. They acknowledge that many people may have a hard time with this claim, but state that it is the truth. The speaker also says that Trump fought the hardest to stop these files from being released.

Speaker 0 discusses Jerry Epstein and the Lolita Express, claiming Bill Clinton flew on Epstein’s planes “like, on 20 flights,” and alleging Clinton flew to a Middle Eastern country with a “chic that's admitted pedophile with multimillion dollar checks and Bill Clinton on the plane.” They state Clinton is a “known sexual predator” and reference lawsuits against Donald Trump with Jane Does alleging involvement with Epstein, saying there was no proof in the law because they log flights on private jets, and asserting Trump “had been a defuse” (likely misstatement) of these claims. Speaker 1 shifts to John Podesta, describing him as a “progressive guru” and alleging he is connected to an “underage sex slave op,” and mentions “cover upper defending unspeakable dregs.” They question what MMFA is, and Jamie asks what it means. The term MMFA is identified in the dialogue as Media Matters. The speakers then discuss Soros and connect him to ownership of a pizza place where “this all went on.” They claim Media Matters’ head guy, David Brock, has a boyfriend and that the organization hosts major Democratic Party fundraisers. They mention “rock bands there” performing “live Spoken word dissertations of the love of children,” including references to men in goth drag speaking about their love for children. The speakers acknowledge not wanting to repeat some content and suggest they could pull up more footage of these claims. Speaker 1 asks rhetorically why this is such a bizarre subject and comments on the overall strangeness of the topic. Overall, the transcript presents an interwoven set of unverified allegations involving prominent figures (Epstein’s associates, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, John Podesta, Soros, and Media Matters), claims of underage sex operations, and allegations about events at a pizza place tied to Media Matters, including reportedly graphic performances by performers discussing love of children. The speakers imply a broader conspiracy or cover-up framework linking political figures, advocacy outlets, and entertainment venues to illicit activities.

There's a massive difference between Donald Trump who banned Epstein from Mar A Lago when he found out about his disgusting hobbies and somebody like Bill Clinton who rode shotgun to Epstein's island doing who knows what with who knows who after getting out out of office. One rejected the predator and the other partied with him. And that's what Gen is frustrated with. We want accountability. We want transparency. That's not what we had under the Biden administration. And that right there is exactly why we voted for Trump. We're looking at the economy now where he's performed CPR on the American dream, making it possible again for Gen Z to come into this world. This time last year on Abiodunatics, thankfully, we have a president who's going to start addressing that, and we need to see that soon before the midterm.

Speaker 0: "I don't understand why it's a hostile act. I talked to president Clinton... I'm sorry, president, Trump back in 2009 and several times after that. He didn't think that it was a hoax then. In fact, he helped me. He got on the phone. He told me things that were helping our investigation." Speaker 1: "The only thing... Trump is the only person who, in 02/2009, picked up the phone and said, let's just talk. I'll give you as much time as you want. I'll tell you what you need to know and was very helpful in the information that he gave and gave no indication whatsoever that he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever, but had good information that checked out and that helped us. And then we didn't have to take a deposition of him." "So Do you know if there's any truth to James Patterson's claims that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar A Lago?" Speaker 0: "I've definitely heard that." Speaker 2: "Epstein was inappropriate with the member's daughter. I went to mister Trump and he threw him right out." Speaker 3: "So it's your understanding then that president Trump didn't know what Jeffrey Epstein was up to?" Speaker 0: "That is correct." Speaker 2: "Epstein liked stars... He loaned Clinton his plane at least on four occasions and it was, it had to do with the foundation." Speaker 4: "The pilot said Trump was on the plane; it was actually a trip from Mar A Lago to New York, not to the island." Speaker 0: "And our investigation wasn't looking into him, but he was helping us then. He didn't treat this as a hoax. I want transparency." Speaker 3: "Did anybody see or hear of the president himself doing anything inappropriate as it related to Jeffrey Epstein? No."

Epstein was banned from Mar-a-Lago by Trump after he flirted with someone's underage daughter. Trump made it clear that such behavior was not tolerated at his club. Epstein, a wealthy Palm Beach resident known for throwing parties, was a member at the time. However, once people discovered his true nature, they distanced themselves from him, including President Trump. Trump emphasized that he never associated with Epstein and took action to remove him from the club. This incident provides clear evidence that Trump was not involved in any illegal activities.

The speaker mentions that there have been accusations against President Trump regarding his involvement in certain activities, but Trump supporters tend to dismiss such claims. The speaker, who is a lawyer, states that they have no information or opinion on the validity of these claims. However, they do mention that in 2009, when they served subpoenas to various individuals, President Trump was the only person who cooperated and provided helpful information. The speaker is not aware of the truth behind James Patterson's claims about Trump kicking Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago.

I woke up yesterday and saw that Bruce Reinhart signed off on the warrant to search Trump's Mar-a-Lago. I host two podcasts on Jeffrey Epstein and remembered Reinhart was one of Epstein's lawyers. He previously worked for the Southern District of Florida, which prosecuted Epstein for the sex crime case in 2008. The victims felt like a huge injustice occurred with Epstein's sweetheart deal. They named Reinhart in their suit because they felt it was unfair that Epstein hired civil servants to represent him. There's no proof that Reinhart used inside Justice Department information, but he did switch to the other team. I am not saying there is a connection between Epstein and the raid, but Reinhart does have a history with Epstein.

Discussion centers on why Epstein files aren’t public and reluctance; Tucker Carlson is mentioned. Speaker 1 says the president views it as "this is all a trap" and that it "reminds him of Russiagate"; "He had nothing to do with Epstein," and transparency "would have helped the country" and "the administration a lot." The other host wonders why fear of exposure matters. Speaker 1 testifies, "I knew Epstein. He did creepy stuff at my club. I kicked him out." Epstein was "always around" with figures like "Ahud Barak is living there. He's got Stephen Hawking and he's got members of the British So Royal on that level," and "half the people on television hung out with Epstein." He notes Epstein had contact with Israeli, US, and "most critically British intelligence" and ends, "There's nothing bad that happens that doesn't have British intelligence involved in it, I have noticed a lot."

Derek, a lawyer representing victims of Jeffrey Epstein, thanks the interviewer for their support. The interviewer asks about allegations against President Trump, but the lawyer states that the case was dropped before going to court. The lawyer shares that in 2009, Trump cooperated with their investigation and provided helpful information, showing no indication of wrongdoing. The interviewer asks about James Patterson's claim that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago, to which the lawyer responds that he has heard the rumor but cannot confirm it.

There's a massive difference between Donald Trump who banned Epstein from Mar A Lago when he found out about his disgusting hobbies and somebody like Bill Clinton who rode shotgun to Epstein's island doing who knows what with who knows who after getting out of office. One rejected the predator and the other partied with him. And that's what Gen is frustrated with. We want accountability. We want transparency. That's not what we had under the Biden administration. And that there is exactly why we voted for Trump. He's performed CPR on the American dream. This time last year on Abiodunatics, thankfully, we have a president who's going to start addressing that, and we need to see that soon before the midterm.

The speaker argues that when supporting what Donald Trump is doing, there are other predators beyond Trump to consider. They state that while they don’t know all the details about those other predators and are not focusing solely on Trump, they are referring to what has been learned about Epstein and others. The speaker emphasizes that there are other predators out there and adds that they remember Alasso Costa, noting “when he…” (the thought is left incomplete in the transcript).

Speaker 0: "That's not corruption. That's leverage. And leverage is how you remove power without triggering collapse." Speaker 0: "If they had the leverage on Trump, they would have used it already, but they haven't because they don't." Speaker 1: "And the reason why the Epstein list will not come out, like I've said from the beginning, is because it is an intelligence operation." Speaker 1: "The best form of currency right now for control and power in our world is videos or pictures of children being abused by certain adults." Speaker 1: "The moment you prosecute a pedophile that would be on that list, you lose the leverage on them, and you also risk them telling the rest of the story." Speaker 1: "This is the reality that I want people to understand."

Speaker 0 explains that Epstein’s legal problems began with police investigations into allegations that underage women were coming to Epstein’s house. Epstein allegedly believed that Trump was the first to inform the police about what was happening at Epstein’s house, and from that point they became bitter enemies. Speaker 1 asks if this is what Epstein is telling him. Speaker 0 confirms that this is the version he is relaying, as presented by “Oh, the hoax yesterday.” Speaker 2 clarifies that “the hoax” refers to Democrats using a narrative to attack him. He says Epstein has never said or suggested or implied that the hoax is real; he has talked to Epstein many times. He states that the whole thing comes across as a hoax, not that Epstein’s actions are a hoax. He explains that Epstein believes himself innocent, and that when he first heard the rumor, he kicked him out of Maribago. He adds that Epstein was an FBI informant trying to take this matter down. The president knows and has great sympathy for the women who have suffered harms; it’s detestable to him. He and the speaker have spoken as recently as twenty-four hours ago. What he is talking about, according to Speaker 2, are the Democrats who are pursuing this with impure motives. If they truly cared, he asks, why didn’t they act during the four years of the Biden administration when the Biden DOJ had all the records? They didn’t say a word about it, and now they pursue it for political purposes. Speaker 3 notes that our current president has had relationships with Epstein in the past, and mentions Katie Johnson and possibly other victims who have accused Trump of involvement in similar matters. In the speaker’s experience, Trump supporters will not listen to such claims. He admits the court of law isn’t present here. He asks if there is anything that can be said about the validity of those claims or whether more is known. Speaker 1 responds that he can say nothing at all. He states that the only thing he can say about President Trump is that in 2009, when he served subpoenas and gave notice to connected people that he wanted to talk to them, Trump was the only person who picked up the phone and said, “let’s just talk.” Trump offered as much time as needed, provided information that checked out, and helped him so they didn’t have to depose him. He adds that this occurred in 2009. Speaker 3 asks if there is any truth to James Patterson’s claims that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago. Speaker 1 confirms that he definitely heard that.

- The speaker asserts that “Trump's Epstein file is bigger than the Encyclopedia Britannica,” using a metaphor to describe the extensive information about Trump and Epstein. - Epstein and Trump were described as best friends for a long time, according to the speaker. - Epstein was said to be part of the Lex Wexner operation. Lex Wexner bought Epstein a house on East 71st Street in New York. - The speaker notes a personal connection to the neighborhood, mentioning living on East 64th Street and that East 71st Street is nearby. - After a relatively short time, Epstein was moved next door to a much bigger house, the one commonly seen in pictures of Epstein’s residence. - The first house Epstein lived in was sold to Howard Lutnick, who is described as the Secretary of Commerce and co-chair of the transition team. - Howard Lutnick is identified as Epstein’s next-door neighbor for many years, which the speaker finds intuitively sensible because Epstein was “primarily a money laundering network,” in the speaker’s view. - The speaker notes there are only 24 primary dealers in the New York Fed and suggests that having a primary dealer who runs the market in Treasury securities as a neighbor makes sense in their logic. - The speaker speculates that Lex Wexner probably had tunnels built underneath, implying secret infrastructure related to the proximity of their properties. - The overarching claim is that the entire administration is “full of Epstein people,” according to the speaker.

Bradley Edwards, attorney for Jeffrey Epstein's victims, was asked about allegations against Donald Trump. Edwards stated that in his experience, Trump supporters are unwilling to consider claims of Trump's involvement with Epstein. When asked about the validity of claims against Trump, Edwards said he can only say that Trump was the only person who, upon receiving notice of a subpoena in 2009, offered to talk and provide information. Edwards stated that Trump was helpful, provided good information, gave no indication of involvement in anything untoward, and a deposition was not needed. Regarding James Patterson's claim that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago, Edwards has heard that rumor, possibly involving a manager at Trump's club. The rumor alleges Epstein was attempting to pick up someone's daughter, but Edwards was unable to confirm it.

The transcript captures a short, informal discussion about Donald Trump’s handling of the Epstein files and the broader question of whether presidents protect rich and powerful people at the expense of victims in sex-crime cases. The dialogue unfolds between Speaker 0 and Speaker 1, with a recent history/politics flavor and an on-the-record moment later in the exchange. Speaker 0 begins by asking Speaker 1 how Trump fought to avoid releasing the Epstein files, noting that Trump initially indicated a release but then reversed course. Speaker 1 responds noncommittally, suggesting that Trump “probably” had friends who were involved and that Trump “saved them” from trouble. The question is framed as whether this constitutes presidential conduct—protecting powerful people rather than victims. Speaker 0 presses further, asking if protecting rich and powerful people over sex-crime victims is appropriate for a president, and whether such behavior is common in presidential history. Speaker 1 counters by pointing to historical examples, stating that many presidents have favored their friends and families, adding that while JFK’s affairs were noted, he claims Kennedy “got caught,” implying possible crimes. Speaker 0 acknowledges Kennedy’s infidelity but questions whether there were crimes, while Speaker 1 reiterates the point that Kennedy “got caught,” and asserts that such behavior is not becoming of a United States president. The conversation shifts toward evaluating current leadership: Speaker 0 asks whether Speaker 1 agrees with Trump’s protection of powerful individuals at the expense of crime victims. Speaker 1 answers, “All depends on who the powerful people are,” suggesting a conditional view rather than a blanket condemnation or approval. The discussion then veers to the expectation that a president should serve all Americans, not just the wealthy, and Speaker 0 reiterates the moral question. Speaker 1, initially evasive about personal details, asserts that they are a state representative and holds a badge, claiming to work for their country. The exchange ends with a sense of irony in the narrator’s commentary: the “moral of the story” being that it’s acceptable for Donald Trump to protect rich and powerful men because he himself is rich and powerful, effectively equating protection of the powerful with personal parity. Overall, the transcript presents a back-and-forth debate about why presidents might shield powerful individuals, how historical precedents factor into current judgments, and whether leadership should be equally accountable to all segments of society, ending with a skeptical, wrap-up sentiment about the perceived fairness of such protections.

Transcript centers on truth and why Epstein files should be public. They note both parties avoid real reasons. Speaker 1 says the president views it as “all a trap” and that it “reminds him of Russiagate”—an attempt by Democrats to ensnare him in a fake scandal; “he's not... never did anything creepy,” the speaker says. The speaker argues transparency would have helped “the country” and “the administration,” giving it credibility. They speculate why disclosure is feared: “could it be that Trump was there and he just doesn't wanna jeopardize his presidency even putting it out there?” Epstein is described as “the center of New York society for... decades.” The claim: “I don't think having dinner at his house or even necessarily going to his island is proof of a crime.” Finally, they note “Epstein had contact with Israeli intelligence” and “British intelligence”—“probably scarier than Mossad and CIA.”

Attorney Bradley Edwards, who represented victims of Jeffrey Epstein, mentioned that in 2009, President Trump was the only person who willingly cooperated when served subpoenas. Trump provided helpful information that indicated no involvement in any wrongdoing. There are claims that Trump expelled Epstein from Mar-a-Lago, as stated by James Patterson in his book. Complaints were made about Epstein's inappropriate behavior towards young women at Mar-a-Lago, leading Trump to remove him from the club. It is believed that Trump was unaware of Epstein's activities. Epstein had connections with various influential individuals, including lending his plane to Bill Clinton on multiple occasions. Edwards noted that Trump's involvement with Epstein was related to their foundation.