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Attorney General Barr lied about investigating Epstein's death, claiming there was nothing to look into. However, the speaker argues that the guards falling asleep and not doing the count is an insult and laughable. In the event of a count not being cleared, the whole facility would be locked down, and SWAT teams would be called due to concerns of a hostage situation or guard murder. The speaker believes that Epstein was killed by operatives brought into solitary confinement, who let themselves out at night, killed Epstein, and made it look like a suicide. The first autopsy indicated strangulation, not suicide.

The conversation centers on the ongoing examination of Jeffrey Epstein’s files and what they reveal, with a focus on disturbing content, coded language, and the reliability of the material. - The speakers note the FBI’s earlier claim that there was no sex trafficking, calling that claim gaslighting given the scale of material now public. They emphasize the last four file dumps as “unbelievable” in their volume and in the disturbing, often coded language contained within. - They discuss how widespread Epstein’s influence appears to be, noting that Epstein’s activities touch many high-profile figures across politics and business. Names that repeatedly surface include former president Bill Clinton (clearly named in one journal entry) and former president Donald Trump (referenced repeatedly, sometimes with redactions that leave the identity ambiguous). Other figures mentioned include Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz, and Ivanka Trump, among others. They point out that some references are explicit, while others are obfuscated or redacted. - A central feature of the material is the use of code words to describe sexual abuse and trafficking. The participants give several examples: - The journal of a 16-year-old Epstein trafficking victim uses coded language; words like “yucky,” “gross,” and other terms are interpreted by an attorney as code for sexual assault. The journal explicitly mentions Chelsea Clinton in one passage and references to Bill Clinton, with the implication of inappropriate acts. - “Pizza” is repeatedly identified as a common code word in emails and journals, linked by some to the broader Pizza Gate lore, and sometimes paired with “grape soda” or “beef jerky” as coded references. They note that “pizza” appears over 900 times in some files, and “grape soda” is mentioned in the context of sexual references or secret messages. - The reliability and credibility of victims’ accounts are discussed. The 16-year-old victim’s journals include extraordinary claims (for example, about having Epstein’s child), and the speakers acknowledge that some allegations are “out outrageous” and may be difficult to corroborate. They stress the need for more forensic verification to determine what is authentically attributable to the victim and what may be embellishment or misinterpretation. They mention claims that a baby allegedly connected to Ghislain Maxwell and Epstein existed, but note that there is no independent corroboration of a child, while other entries discuss the possibility of egg freezing and related issues. - Redactions are scrutinized. Some names are clearly identifiable (e.g., Clinton, Chelsea), while others (including a Trump-related item) are redacted or partially disclosed. The hosts suggest the redactions may reflect AI-assisted and manual redaction, with some omissions caused by the sheer volume of material and potential misses during processing. They acknowledge that some files were removed after the initial release due to redaction errors, which complicates interpretation. - The discussion moves to Epstein’s personal network and possible roles as a liaison or intelligence asset. They observe Epstein’s connections to Middle Eastern figures and governments, including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UAE, and speculate about possible associations with Mossad, Saudi intelligence, and other agencies. They discuss Epstein’s travel history, mentions of forged or fake passports, and the possibility that he might have contemplated operating outside the United States. - The material includes extensive photographic and video evidence. The speakers remark on the sheer number of images and videos, the presence of many well-known individuals in Epstein’s orbit, and body-language cues suggesting Epstein treated others as objects for his pleasure. They note that even after his 2008 conviction, Epstein remained photographed in public settings, implying ongoing power dynamics and influence. - The possibility that Epstein is alive is entertained, sparked by references to a possible escape plan and by discussion of questions around his death. They analyze a document scribbled in jail that the speaker interprets as an escape plan, including references to red notices, visas, banks, and “blackmail,” and discuss the idea that the death could have been staged or influenced by external actors. They contrast this with official accounts that describe Epstein’s death as suicide, while acknowledging inconsistencies in the DOJ and inspector general reports, and noting new observations such as delayed camera activity and reports of document shredding. - They conclude that the scope of material is enormous (tens of thousands to millions of pages, images, and videos), with three point something million released out of six point something million known to exist. They caution that the released files likely represent the tip of the iceberg and emphasize the value of collaboration among investigators, journalists, and researchers to parse the data. - Throughout, Epstein’s associates—including Maxwell and high-profile figures in politics and entertainment—are repeatedly examined in terms of possible roles, affiliations, and complicity, alongside broader questions about intent, corroboration, and the interpretation of coded language within the files.

Jeffrey Epstein's death is discussed, with doubts raised about the official suicide ruling. Bill Barr is accused of covering up the true cause of death, possibly to protect someone. The source of Epstein's wealth and connections to intelligence agencies, particularly Israeli intelligence (Mossad), are questioned. It's suggested Epstein may have been gathering compromising information on powerful individuals. The failure to release Epstein's files by those who previously demanded it is noted. Mark Epstein, Jeffrey's brother, believes Jeffrey was murdered, citing autopsy results and inconsistencies in the official account. He claims the medical examiner initially couldn't rule it a suicide and that the broken bones in Jeffrey's neck are more indicative of strangulation. The position of the body and missing records, including video footage and EMT reports, are suspicious. The guards who were supposed to be watching Epstein were found to have traces of nitrous oxide in their blood. Overall, the discussion points to a potential cover-up involving high-level officials, raising questions about who killed Epstein and why.

The unusual fractures in Jeffrey Epstein's neck raise concerns about the cause of death. I observed fractures of the left and right thyroid cartilage, and the left hyoid bone. I've never seen three fractures like this in a suicidal hanging. Over the past 40-50 years and thousands of jail hangings and suicides in New York, nobody had three fractures. The noose sketched in the autopsy doesn't match the ligature furrow mark on Epstein's neck. The noose appears clean and unused and the wound is in the middle of the neck, rather than up near the jaw bone. A wound straight across the neck is more common when a victim is strangled by a wire.

Photos taken by New York's Office of Chief Medical Examiner raised more questions than they answer. Epstein's body was removed before investigators arrived, and Epstein's cell, experts say, should have been treated as a crime scene. Epstein's death was quickly ruled a suicide. There are 90 photos in all showing a cell strewn with blankets and strips of fabric tied to the bed and window grate. Items moved around including a mattress which is seen on the floor in an earlier photo but appears on the bed in a later one. If that's accurate, the scene had been disturbed hours before FBI investigators arrived. Investigators also found several possible nooses but did not conclusively identify the one that killed him. This looks like they took it at face value that this was a suicide.

I strongly believe that Jeffrey Epstein's death was not a suicide. It is crucial for the nation and the world to acknowledge this and uncover the responsible individuals, including corrupt figures in power who have the ability to harm inmates. Jail is an environment where it is relatively easy to carry out such acts.

The transcript centers on a chain of controversial claims and geopolitical financial narratives tied to Epstein, Fort Knox, and looming shifts in global power and economics. - Epstein and the 2008 financial collapse: Epstein is described as openly commenting on Fort Knox’s “lack of gold,” while allegedly being on a payphone from his jail cell with the heads of Bear Stearns and JPMorgan during the Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers turmoil. The speaker asserts Epstein dialed Bear Stearns first and then JPMorgan, claiming he was advising “these sick people” during the crisis. - Solitary confinement calls and real-time intelligence: Speaker 2 recounts being in solitary confinement and having two phones to talk to Bear Stearns and JPMorgan simultaneously, noting the difficulty of keeping conversations private due to safety concerns. - Epstein’s broader role and authenticity questions: The speaker suggests the global elite, described as “globalists,” were taking Epstein’s calls from prison and that Epstein’s involvement points to a broader pattern of influence over financial systems. The speaker questions whether Epstein is dead, asserting the body in the correctional facility was not Epstein and claiming the noose was swapped, arguing that Epstein is alive and living “in Israel somewhere.” - Fort Knox gold and public narratives: The discussion clarifies that Epstein-related materials do not contain Epstein confessing to personally verifying missing gold; instead, they reference a forwarded 2011 email alleging Fort Knox is empty and that the government sold gold and did not refill it. The speaker notes that the official position is that Fort Knox holds about 147,000,000 ounces of gold, with the Treasury secretary assuring that the gold is accounted for through audits, though access to view it is restricted (Rand Paul’s inability to see it is cited). - Related public skepticism and attempts to verify: The segment references failed attempts to livestream Fort Knox’s vault and prior plans for Trump to inspect the vault, underscoring perceived gaps between public expectation and access to verify gold reserves. - Economic and geopolitical implications: The narrative broadens to link Epstein’s files to current events, suggesting a “globalist collapse” and connecting elite corruption to systemic power. It ties three tracks: Epstein-file revelations eroding trust in elites; the U.S. government hardening its supply chains against China by building an American minerals stockpile called “Project Vault”; and China’s push to promote the yuan as a global reserve currency, with Xi Jinping explicitly advocating for the yuan to gain reserve status and broaden its use in trade and investment. - Currency and mineral leverage: The speaker argues that a reserve-currency shift requires confidence, deep markets, stable rules, and commodity leverage, including silver, gold, and other critical minerals. The end result is framed as a broader realignment where control over minerals and currencies intersects with geopolitical competition, including the end of the START treaty with Russia, suggesting a move toward a new cold-war dynamic with larger nuclear arsenals and shifting strategic dependencies. - Conclusion and forward look: The speaker ties Epstein’s disclosures, global elite networks, and the mineral/currency shifts into a single narrative about a reshaping of global power, with ongoing questions about prosecutions of high-profile figures and the potential for dramatic political ramifications in the near term. - Sponsor/Investment segment (omitted from promotional emphasis): The transcript includes a sponsor segment about StreamX and a proposed gold-backed product (GLDY) with high insider ownership and potential yield, pitched as a disruptive development in the gold ETF space; however, this promotional content is not elaborated upon in detail in this summary.

Epstein was murdered in a federal lockup in Manhattan. Evidence includes a friend who spoke to him before his death, indicating he was optimistic about an upcoming bail hearing. His lawyer confirmed this. On the night of his death, security was lax: two guards, one not even a full-time employee, were on duty, and all cameras malfunctioned. The special housing unit was locked, but all cells were opened. Questions about the other inmates present that night remain unanswered due to privacy concerns. Bill Barr, the former Attorney General, suggested Epstein's death was suspicious but halted investigations. His statements in his book contradict this, raising doubts about his honesty. Attempts to have Barr explain his actions were declined.

Matt claims that Epstein was an operator for a foreign government, leveraging compromising situations to control behavior, a tactic used by multiple intelligence agencies. He believes the reluctance to reveal the truth about Epstein stems from the US government's similar practices. The conversation then shifts to hard drives found in Epstein's house marked as evidence, which have not been released. Matt posits a countervailing theory: releasing such materials without evidentiary review could set a dangerous precedent, allowing for politically motivated leaks and mischaracterizations of evidence. He then suggests that a foreign government, in concert with elements within the US government at a state-to-state level, was responsible for Epstein's death, possibly due to weapon systems and global deals at play. He admits this is just a theory.

The speaker states they are investigating Epstein's death and will release as much information as possible, including video of the cell. They believe Epstein killed himself, citing their experience with jail suicides and the difficulty of running an operation in that detention center without detection. The speaker addresses reports of guards sleeping and cameras being down, but says footage will be released. They mention a forensic scientist, Dr. Michael Baden, who determined the death was a homicide due to a broken bone in Epstein's neck, but acknowledge the New York City medical examiner disputes this, calling it a "war of experts." The speaker became aware of the video footage recently and addresses reports of mistakenly erased footage, suggesting people ask those in power at the time. They acknowledge AI's ability to create convincing forgeries, but claim the footage is authentic. They state that even if Epstein was murdered, the information that could damage powerful people is already out there. They insist they would pursue the case if there was any evidence of murder.

Jeffrey Epstein was murdered in the most secure federal lockup in the country, yet there was no real investigation. Attorney General Barr lied about it. Where are the tapes from Epstein's properties? The fact that we can't see them suggests a massive blackmail operation run by intel agencies to control famous people. If someone can kill Epstein in a secure lockup and get away with it, that's a powerful, dangerous force. It's important to talk about it though because we need transparency and honesty. Crimes like this make people feel impotent and paranoid, leading to a society where no one believes anything. We need a country where things are what they seem, where people are honest and admit mistakes, not a place of crazy deceptions and murders.

He was murdered in the most secure part of the federal detention facility in Manhattan, our biggest city, and Bill Barr, the then attorney general under Donald Trump, covered it up. Maybe there's no connection there. I don't know. There. I just learned, and I believe it's true, I learned from a very well informed person, that it was Donald Barr who got Epstein his job at Bear Stearns. But I I called it circumstantial case, doctor. It's not a proof. It's circumstantial case. So I'm totally convinced. He announced that it was a suicide before they'd done an investigation. That's not law enforcement. That's by definition a cover up. So he covered up Epstein's murder and for whatever reason, and his dad got Epstein started in life. I I just don't even know what to make of those. Those are facts, and I don't know what to make of them.

Host: The discussion covers a range of new findings and questions about Jeffrey Epstein’s death and the surrounding investigations, focusing on footage, forensics, coded communications, and the involvement of powerful figures. JP: They claimed the prison cameras weren’t working, but footage shows at least one camera in Epstein’s area was recording. The cameras supposedly stopped the day Epstein was released back into the prison and were fixed the day after he died. Host: There’s a statement about Epstein being found dead in a cell dated Friday, August 9, but Epstein was found unresponsive at 06:30 a.m. on August 10. An OCME official said he would arrive at the loading dock with a black vehicle to thwart the media, and asked if a decoy body is a common tactic. Is that standard practice? JP: It’s exceptionally unusual. I’ve never heard of a decoy body used to trick the press in this context. Host: There’s mention that Epstein’s ear looked off compared with what’s typical in descriptions, and that forensic exams describe his penis as the penis of a normal circumcised male, which contradicts victims’ descriptions. JP: There’s been “a lot of powerful” footage from the prison area the day after Epstein’s death; the DOJ has removed some material from their site. The cameras not recording to the DVR was a known issue; a specific camera allegedly focused directly on Epstein’s housing area was reportedly not recording, yet a clip exists from that camera. Host: They’ve found sulfuric acid purchases. One line of thought is water treatment for a pool on Epstein’s island, but sulfuric acid could also be used to decompose bodies. There’s debate about whether Epstein would hire a water-treatment company or buy acid himself, and a tweet-inflamed exchange about its use in drugs. JP: There are claims that sulfuric acid could be for water treatment or for decomposing bodies; another theory is that it’s used for meth production. There’s also a claim that a hotel-ban on sulfuric acid purchases was posted, and Elon Musk and Roger Stone commented—Stone denying the “dead bodies” theory and saying it’s for drugs. Host: The discussion shifts to a hearing with Pam Bondi, which was described as unhelpful—she wouldn’t answer direct questions. This aligns with a broader frustration that the DOJ hasn’t followed up sufficiently on questions raised by leaked material. JP: The code-language topic: pizza and grape soda appear in emails that are redacted or ambiguous. A common interpretation is that pizza refers to girls and grape soda to something else, with other terms like cheese, pasta, and beef jerky appearing in the communications. Host: A DOJ intelligence bulletin maps code words used by pedophiles; “pizza” correlates with girl, “pasta” with little boy, “cheese” with little girl, and “beef jerky” appears in multiple messages. There’s a specific exchange: Jeremy Epstein’s people discuss a “torture” topic in an email chain, and others reference “torture videos” or “torture” in various contexts. JP: The interpretation of “torture” could be sexual in nature (role-playing) or something more explicit; there’s a push to see if the language is literal or coded. The difficulty is prosecutorial—coded language can be hard to prove in court, and people often plead plausible deniability. Host: There are examples like a discussion about “shrimp” and “white sharks” with references to Russian girls, and a separate exchange on “a baby” being bought, with Epstein replying in a way that avoids explicit commitment—further supporting the idea of evasion via coded or oblique language. JP: There’s a long thread involving a Harvard professor, a Nigerian-Portuguese contact, and an Israeli operation thread; Epstein’s reply, “I loved the torture video,” is read as a sexual or possibly role-playing reference, though another interpretation is that it’s about a non-literal, sexualized scenario. The doctor-patient or professional context is complicated by the presence of sexual tokens and “torture” terminology. Host: There’s also a notable exchange about “an aquarium full of girls” and “white sharks” with reference to Russian girls, and a line about a “king of Saudi” with possible high-level connections. The breadth of names—royal, political, academic—suggests a wide network, possibly used for blackmail, leverage, or influence. JP: A recurring theme is blackmail: Epstein’s network could have backed or driven blackmail operations. There are redacted or partially redacted files that could contain more explicit material, including a photo involving a public figure with a girl; even if the girl is over 18, the context remains incriminating and suspicious. Host: The possibility Epstein is alive remains a fringe theory, but there are inconsistent elements—the ear and nose differences in purported body images, the decoy body claim, and the press-release date discrepancy—that feed ongoing speculation about whether there was a replacement or manipulation of the body, or whether a genuine death occurred with unresolved questions remaining. JP: Overall, the files present a web of coded language, high-profile associations, and forensic ambiguities that keep fueling questions about Epstein’s death, the handling of evidence, and the breadth of possible blackmail networks tied to powerful individuals. Host: The conversation ends with a plan to revisit these threads, given the ongoing releases and the sheer volume of material, acknowledging that each new item tends to expand the mystery rather than resolve it.

On the morning of 08/10/2019, convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein was found dead at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Lower Manhattan. The photos were taken by New York's office of chief medical examiner, and they raised more questions than they answer. Epstein's body was removed before investigators arrived. And Epstein's cell, experts say, should have been treated as a crime scene. Epstein's death was quickly ruled a suicide, but an investigation of jail cell photos by CBS News working with forensic experts has raised serious questions about the New York medical examiner and the FBI's work, including a failure to preserve the scene, log evidence, and run basic forensic tests. There are 90 photos in all showing a cell strewn with blankets and strips of fabric tied to the bed and window grate.

The speaker questions whether their hypothetical death, following a tweet about the CIA and Mossad framing and torturing them, would be considered suspicious. They mention a real story that sent chills down their spine, involving Jeffrey Epstein. According to information received, Epstein allegedly operated a blackmail ring, using his connections to powerful individuals who attended his parties on his Caribbean island. The speaker highlights allegations that Epstein was protected by intelligence agencies, which may explain why he faced no consequences. They mention Alexander Acosta's involvement and his claim that he was instructed to leave the Epstein case alone because it belonged to intelligence.

The transcript revolves around the mysterious death of Jeffrey Epstein and the questions surrounding whether he committed suicide or was murdered. Doubts are cast on the official narrative, citing irregularities such as the lack of a thorough investigation, conflicting autopsy findings, and alleged lies from Attorney General Bill Barr. The source of Epstein's wealth and his connections to powerful figures, including those in intelligence agencies like Mossad, are questioned. Some speculate Epstein may have been an intelligence asset, gathering compromising information on influential individuals. Mark Epstein, Jeffrey's brother, believes Jeffrey was murdered, citing autopsy results and the unlikelihood of suicide given pending legal proceedings. He highlights inconsistencies in the official account, such as the position of the body, the broken bones in the neck, and the lack of investigation into other inmates. He seeks information about the prisoners on the ward and questions why the EMTs moved the body.

The transcript explores the circumstances surrounding Jeffrey Epstein's death, questioning the official ruling of suicide. Doubts are raised about the thoroughness of the investigation, with claims that key evidence was ignored or suppressed. Mark Epstein, Jeffrey's brother, believes Jeffrey was murdered, citing autopsy inconsistencies and the Attorney General's alleged cover-up. He highlights the suspicious circumstances, such as the lack of camera footage and the guards' negligence. The transcript delves into Epstein's connections to powerful figures and speculates about his potential involvement with intelligence agencies, including the Mossad. It suggests that Epstein possessed compromising information on influential individuals, making him a target. The discussion also touches on the possibility of blackmail and the potential motives for Epstein's murder.

Jeffrey Epstein's death in federal lockup is believed to be a murder. The circumstances surrounding his death raise suspicions. Epstein had a bail hearing in two days and was not despondent. His lawyer confirmed this. On the night of his death, two people, one of whom was not a full-time prison guard, were on duty. The cameras in the cell area were not functioning, and the front of the special housing unit was locked while the cells inside were opened. There were 14 other inmates in the unit that night, but their identities and whereabouts remain undisclosed. The Attorney General, Bill Barr, denied any foul play, but his statement is considered false. Bill Barr was invited to clarify his statement.

Jeffrey Epstein's brother, Mark, believes that the evidence suggests Jeffrey did not commit suicide. Epstein was found unconscious in his jail cell in July with marks on his neck. The attorney for Epstein's cellmate requested video footage to prove his client saved Epstein's life, but the Metropolitan Correctional Center initially claimed they couldn't find it. They later announced they had the video, but now federal prosecutors say it no longer exists. Mark Epstein questions the suicide narrative, pointing out that the noose found in the cell doesn't show any cut marks and couldn't have supported Epstein's weight. He also mentions that Jeffrey frequently changed his will and that the recent change had nothing to do with his criminal case. A hearing with live testimony is being requested to determine what happened to the video.

Jeffrey Epstein's death in detention remains a mystery, with suspicions of foul play. The Department of Justice claims to have been investigating for almost 4 years but has yet to release any reports. The NYPD recently revealed that the 911 call recordings from the federal lockup on the day Epstein died have been deleted, citing the expiration of the retention period. The FBI did not respond to inquiries about any non-memorial recordings from the jail. The lack of transparency and deleted evidence raise further questions about the investigation into Epstein's death.

Jeffrey Epstein's death is discussed, with doubts raised about the official suicide ruling. Speaker 1 notes Epstein's prominence in Palm Beach and questions why Attorney General Barr would cover up his death, also referencing Barr's handling of election fraud investigations. Speaker 3 suggests Epstein's wealth was mysterious and possibly linked to foreign intelligence, specifically Israel, given his ties to Les Wexner and Ghislaine Maxwell's family history. Speaker 4 claims Epstein was an intelligence asset, potentially for multiple agencies, using blackmail material. Speaker 0 introduces Mark Epstein, Jeffrey's brother, who believes Jeffrey was murdered after reviewing the autopsy and Barr's statements. Mark cites conflicting pathologist reports and lack of investigation, noting the Justice Department's unresponsiveness. He questions the EMT's actions and missing records, and the positioning of Jeffrey's body. Speaker 7, a forensic pathologist, also finds the neck fractures inconsistent with suicide. Speaker 13 claims the guards were incapacitated with nitrous oxide, suggesting a sophisticated murder. The potential involvement of foreign governments, particularly Israel, is speculated, considering Epstein's possible blackmail material. Speaker 15 mentions Trump's allegations about the Clintons' involvement and demands a full investigation. Speaker 6, Mark Epstein, questions who Bill Barr was protecting and suggests Jeffrey had dirt on people.

Jeffrey Epstein's death is questioned, with doubts about the official suicide ruling. Bill Barr's handling of the case and alleged cover-up are scrutinized, along with a supposed lack of investigation. Some believe Epstein was murdered due to the sensitive information he possessed, potentially implicating powerful figures. Epstein's wealth and connections to figures like Les Wexner and alleged ties to intelligence agencies, including the Mossad, are discussed. Ghislaine Maxwell's father's connections to Israeli intelligence are mentioned. It's claimed that Epstein had cameras and tapes that would be valuable to intelligence agencies. Alex Acosta's statement about being told to "leave him alone because he's intelligence" is highlighted. William Burns' meetings with Epstein are questioned, suggesting Epstein was an intelligence asset potentially involved in blackmail. Mark Epstein, Jeffrey's brother, believes Jeffrey was murdered, citing autopsy results and inconsistencies in the official account. He claims the initial death certificate said "pending" and that the chief pathologist who declared it a suicide was not present at the autopsy. He alleges a cover-up, citing a lack of investigation and unanswered questions about the scene. He seeks information about the other inmates on the cell block and questions why the EMTs moved the body. He also mentions death threats he received.

One speaker questions why a "foremost pederist" is protected, calling it evil and saying everyone agrees on it. Another speaker says Bill Barr needs to give sworn testimony about what happened with Epstein at the Bureau of Prisons, because the story being told isn't the real one. The speaker believes a foreign government took Epstein out, not a domestic enterprise. They think it was a government-sponsored foreign operation in concert with people in the US government, not just a bribed guard, but at a state-to-state level. The speaker says weapon systems and global deals were at play, but admits they are just positing it as a theory. The conversation then shifts to UFOs.

He was murdered in the most secure part of the federal detention facility in Manhattan, our biggest city, and Bill Barr, the then attorney general under Donald Trump, covered it up. Bill Barr's father, Donald Barr, is the one who hired Jeffrey Epstein without a college degree to teach at one of the most prestigious private schools in Manhattan. I just learned, and I believe it's true, from a very well informed person, that it was Donald Barr who got Epstein his job at Bear Stearns. And by the way, that doesn't that's not proof of anything. But I I called it circumstantial case, doctor. It's not a proof. It is circumstantial case. So I'm totally convinced. I've said this in public many times. He announced that it was a suicide before they'd done an investigation. That's not law enforcement. That's by definition a cover up.