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Speaker 0 accuses 'you and the other leaders of your death cult, particularly as it relates to COVID case rates tied to severity of lockdowns,' and says there has not yet been 'a corresponding something remotely resembling a mea culpa' or accountability. Speaker 1 notes that 'people's lives are still affected,' including 'Kids whose schooling has been delayed for years, that may be permanent, where they're having long term effects, psychological harm, depression, drug abuse,' and adds that 'Sweden... did better than we did by far. They had actually almost no excess mortality through the entire pandemic. It's incredible. The best in Europe. And they didn't do the lockdowns.' He urges planning for the next time that is 'more human' and maintaining 'lots and lots of tools' to understand and counter new viruses, while warning that 'What we don't have is a social structure that responds to that information in a rational way' and that societies are 'prone to panic' and may 'sacrifice children, the poor, the working class,' so pandemic plans must be structured to not ever do that again.

In 2006, during the avian flu epidemic, a panel of public health officials recommended lockdowns, but their advice was rejected by Dr. Donald Henderson, a renowned expert in eradicating diseases like smallpox. He believed that communities respond best to epidemics when their normal functioning is least disrupted, and strong leadership is crucial. Today, it is forbidden to debate this issue. Lockdowns have been effective for social control but haven't changed the virus's course. People are being conditioned to passively follow government orders, and children are missing out on education and learning to trust authority.

There was never a scientific consensus on many topics related to COVID-19. Before the pandemic, most scientists held views contrary to the prevailing narrative. A small group of influential scientific bureaucrats took control of the public discourse, dominating media and influencing politicians. This led to a catastrophic response to the pandemic, and the repercussions will be felt for a long time.

I advised the president to shut down the country, despite knowing it would have significant economic consequences. I did not recommend locking anything down, but rather made a difficult decision to protect public health.

I recommended shutting down the country to control the spread of infection, but I don't regret it. If we had known earlier, we would have shut down sooner. Some criticize the economic impact, while others question why we didn't shut down earlier if it saved lives. I believe shutting down was necessary to prevent the explosion of infections. Regarding New York's shutdown, I never praised Governor Cuomo for having the highest death rate. That's a misunderstanding.

Lockdowns and public health restrictions are in place due to the risk posed by unvaccinated individuals. This has caused anger among people. Various measures have been implemented to encourage, reassure, incentivize, educate, cajole, and remind individuals that it's never too late to do the right thing.

I advised the president to shut down the country, despite knowing it would have significant economic consequences. I did not recommend locking anything down, but rather made a difficult decision to protect public health.

In this video, the speakers discuss the alternative scenario of not implementing official measures when COVID-19 emerged. They suggest that if doctors were left to figure out how to treat the disease on their own, they would have inevitably made mistakes but also learned from them. They mention the example of ventilators, which were initially seen as crucial but later caused harm. The deployment of ventilators increased fear and influenced public perception of the virus. The speakers emphasize the importance of protecting vulnerable populations without unnecessarily exposing the rest of the population to risks. They also mention the comparison with the flu.

The speaker criticizes prolonged lockdowns, stating that they have disastrous consequences for healthcare, working families, and lower-income individuals. They highlight the negative impact of missed cancer diagnoses, chemotherapy and immunization appointments, and the closure of schools leading to unreported cases of child abuse. They also mention a report stating that 1 in 4 young college-age Americans contemplated suicide in June. The speaker expresses frustration with public health experts, calling them failures for not considering the broader impact of lockdown policies and accuses them of causing harm.

Lockdowns failed to stop the spread of the virus or prevent deaths, according to data from various studies. They also caused significant harm to children and are projected to lead to an additional 900,000 to 1,200,000 American deaths due to economic fallout. If the U.S. had followed Sweden's approach, there would have been 1,600,000 fewer deaths. The responsibility for the lockdowns lies with those who implemented them, including federal officials and experts who rejected alternative strategies like targeted protection. This was fundamentally a health policy issue, and the focus should have been on mitigating both the virus's impact and the consequences of the lockdowns. I was the only health policy scholar on the White House task force, dedicated to addressing both aspects of this crisis.

During COVID, I was on the board of my kids' school and initially supported a strict lockdown policy. However, I now realize that keeping kids out of school for longer had a greater negative impact than the risks. We all operated with imperfect information, including myself, the CDC, and the governor. Let's learn from this and hold each other accountable while showing grace and forgiveness. Unfortunately, about 1 in 5 US adults are unwilling to get vaccinated, making them the global runner-up in vaccine hesitancy. This means roughly 56 million Americans are 11 times more likely to die from COVID than the rest of the population. It's embarrassing that some Americans are playing Russian roulette with their lives and the lives of others. Despite this, America's healthcare response to COVID has been a victory, thanks to the vaccines.

When COVID hit, the initial lockdown was meant to slow the spread, but it led to unforeseen consequences like educational gaps and mental health issues. There was a lack of planning for reopening schools and addressing the collateral damage. The speaker emphasizes the need for a better readiness plan for future pandemics and questions the role of government intervention. They advocate for less government involvement and more reliance on science.

The speaker asserts that social distancing was completely made up and used to justify school closures because most schools didn’t have the space for such measures. They claim it was a very specific thing and that Fauci, testifying before the Senate in January 2024, admitted it was totally fabricated. The speaker also states that the CDC director said the same. They emphasize that there was not a single thing said that was true, describing this as concerning. They quote the idea: “If you can make if you can make people believe absurdities, you can make them commit atrocities.” The speaker concludes with, “So that's my perspective.”

Speaker 0 moved to the city due to concerns about the lockdown and disagreed with the measures taken. They believed that lockdowns wouldn't stop respiratory diseases and could harm people's immune systems, leading to more depression and anxiety. Speaker 1 agreed and mentioned that obesity was a major comorbidity in hospitalizations and deaths, but discussing it was seen as taboo. They criticized the concept of body positivity, stating that it goes against scientific evidence. Both speakers agreed that people's feelings shouldn't take precedence over addressing health issues.

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss criticisms of the COVID-19 response, focusing on diagnostic testing, treatment, and government actions. Speaker 0 notes that only fourteen percent of PCR-positive cases turned out to be COVID in Germany, and suggests this is a global pattern, including the United States. Speaker 1 responds that there is no surprise, stating that the PCR test was never designed to detect infection. He explains that it detects miniscule particles of the RNA virus and that cycle threshold was cranked up to create positivity. He emphasizes that tests should not dictate treatment and that, in his view, doctors treat patients, not test results. He accuses the government of suppressing effective repurposed medications such as hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, calling the approach a money-driven scam based on fear, and asserts this was no surprise from Germany. Speaker 0 adds that, beyond money and vaccines, the response was weaponized to keep people at home to influence political outcomes, suggesting it was part of efforts related to the 2020 election. He claims the positives were valued over negatives and asserts that the goal was to keep people in fear to ensure compliance with directives. Speaker 1 agrees, arguing that fear increases compliance with directives. He says he has never seen anything like the government imposing its will on free citizens, including closing churches and mom-and-pop stores, forcing healthy people to stay indoors, closing hospitals, and telling sick people to stay away. He expresses concern about whether the American people learned their lesson and hopes that, if the government acts similarly again, enough people will stand up and say, “hell no.”

Speaker 1 defends the decision to recommend a shutdown, stating that it was necessary to control the spread of the virus. They acknowledge that if they had known earlier about the effectiveness of shutting down, they would have done it sooner. Speaker 2 questions the praise for Governor Cuomo's handling of the situation in New York, pointing out the high death rate. Speaker 1 clarifies that they did not praise Cuomo and accuses the senator of misconstruing their words.

Speaker 0 expresses clear personal hesitation about vaccines, stating that they are not jabbed and would not touch the experimental mRNA and gene therapy experiments, asserting there is a lot of concern about these technologies from many medical people. They reference political figures and media narratives, saying Kennedy in the United States will expose much of this material and that Donald Trump is keen to see it as well. Speaker 0 then recalls personal health concerns related to vaccination, mentioning friends who have experienced myocarditis, blood clots, strokes, and other problems after receiving the COVID jab, and emphasizes the idea of long-term effects being unknown. Speaker 1 counters by saying they still believe in vaccinations, but notes that no one on that side would discuss possible problems with vaccines, and they themselves got vaccinated multiple times and are now open to the idea that there might have been problems. They acknowledge the complexity of the issue and state they do not object to vaccines inherently. Speaker 0 clarifies their stance further, stating they are not a medical expert but their instinct was not to have the vaccine, and they acknowledge how difficult it was to avoid it since the state appeared to force people to receive it. Speaker 1 adds that their own vaccination status includes having been vaxxed several times, and they feel okay today, though they recognize the complexity of the situation and that long-term effects are uncertain. Speaker 0 then discusses the notion that the state and public health authorities pressured people to vaccinate, naming the NHS, Matt Hancock, and portraying the messaging as a duty to vaccinate “because you might kill granny,” mentioning Trudeau and the World Economic Forum Brigade as part of the broader narrative. Speaker 0 proposes an alternative approach: those who are vulnerable should isolate themselves. They reference Anders Tegnell’s approach in Sweden, which did not impose lockdowns. They claim Sweden’s economy hardly missed a heartbeat, in contrast to “ours,” and argue that the pandemic greatly disrupted young people’s lives and education, with knock-on effects described as huge. Speaker 0 concludes that those who made the lockdown decisions are not ready to admit they got it wrong, for a host of reasons.

The speaker believes criticism of them is an attack on science. They stated vaccinated people don't need to worry about serious illness or transmission, but later acknowledged fully vaccinated people can transmit the infection. Masks were described as working "at the margins, maybe ten percent." School closures were considered an appropriate approach initially, but remote learning may have "forever damaged" kids, though the speaker doesn't believe it's "irreparably damaged anyone." The speaker claims they didn't recommend lockdowns, but recommended shutting the country down to the president, knowing it would have serious economic consequences. The speaker suggests the virus originated from the animal-human interface in wet markets, but that the place of origin was not within the market itself. Another intelligence arm concluded COVID began with a lab leak in China. The speaker denies the NIH funded gain of function research in the Wuhan Institute, while others claim NIH funded research that made a bat coronavirus more contagious. The speaker denies that this is gain of function.

During COVID, as a board member of my kids' school, I initially supported a strict lockdown policy. However, I now realize that keeping kids out of school for longer caused more harm than the risks involved. We, including myself, the CDC, and the governor, made decisions based on imperfect information. We did our best, but it's important to learn from our mistakes. Let's hold each other accountable, but also show some grace and forgiveness. It was a challenging situation, but we can grow from it.

Speaker 0 questions the rationale behind implementing stringent interventions for people who will soon die anyway. Speaker 1 responds, stating that the choice was difficult and required a delicate balancing act throughout the pandemic. They explain that driving down the virus necessitates taking actions that can have damaging consequences in other areas. Speaker 1 acknowledges that their previous statement may not have been intended for public broadcast but was an attempt to summarize the problem. They express the need for a swift assessment of the benefits, impacts, and costs of the interventions.

I recommended shutting down the country to control the spread of the virus, but I don't regret it. If I had known earlier that shutting down would be so effective, we would have done it sooner. Some criticize the economic impact, while others question why we didn't shut down earlier if it saves lives. Regarding New York, you misunderstand my support for Cuomo.

The speaker discusses how quick action and isolation could have extinguished COVID-19, citing the success with SARS. They criticize political interference and the WHO for mishandling the pandemic, leading to a global crisis. Despite pointing out these failures, the speaker feels unappreciated for providing factual information.