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"It goes to the heart of there being two Americas. One America for the rich and powerful." "What force is there? What corrupt forces are there that can stranglehold the United States government from preventing Epstein from abusing young girls, from preventing a full disclosure of what Epstein was doing, from preventing the American public from learning about other rich and powerful men who raped and abused these young girls." "They're forgotten Americans in this country." "There are documents there because the victim's lawyers have seen those documents." "We've released 33,000 documents." "97% of already is in the public domain." "The president could say release the files." "This is a moral test." "We need two more Republican votes."

"DOJ wants to keep secret the names of two Epstein associates who wired a $102,150 k in 2018 right after the whole story blew up." "Follow the money because that can expose a lot of the characters." "Epstein has a trust, and it's controlled in offshore bank accounts." "Look into Ghislain Maxwell's trust, what's happening there." "Hats off to Israel. They're doing the right things in their best interest." "The concern is when it comes to The US and we're talking about APAC, Americans vote for you to represent them in America's interests." "There is a two-tier justice system." "We are 37,000,000,000,000 in debt. America is broke. We can't afford it anymore." "Transparency from the United States government." "I don't take donations from big pharma. I don't take donations from the Military Industrial Complex. I don't take donations from APAC." "we just can't fucking afford it anymore." "defund the foreign aid and foreign funding out of our own military funding bill." "I'll have amendments to defund Ukraine $600,000,000 and Israel $500,000,000 and another 105,000,000 for drones and tunnels." "APAC registering under FARA is one example." "America first." "Ukraine is not a NATO member nation." "Defunding Israel is on the table."

The conversation centers on transparency around the Jeffrey Epstein case and perceived cover-ups. "The DOJ wants to keep secret the names of two Epstein associates who wired a $102,150 k in 2018 right after the whole story blew up." They discuss a "two tier justice system" and advise to "follow the money" to reveal networks, trusts, offshore accounts. They emphasize debt: "We are 37,000,000,000,000 in debt" and "we can't afford it anymore" regarding foreign aid. The congresswoman pledges to "defund the foreign aid and foreign funding out of our military funding bill" in NDAA, proposing "defund $600,000,000 for Ukraine" and "defund $500,000,000 ... Israel" plus "105,000,000" for drones/tunnels. She criticizes APAC for not registering under FARA and says she has "a sign" on her door about foreign agents. She insists on "America first" and "Israel first" tensions; calls for release of Epstein files; supports Trump but seeks accountability.

Dan Bongino highlighted why Israel is a focal point, arguing that unwavering support for Israel doesn't align with an "America First" agenda and hinders national freedom. A Fox News source suggested Epstein was an intelligence asset for Middle Eastern entities, possessing blackmail material of influential individuals. This blackmail isn't solely in Epstein's hands, but controlled by a foreign country, potentially compromising U.S. officials. High-profile individuals have shown stronger allegiance to Israel than to America. Despite some Israelis being supportive, many pro-Israel figures avoid addressing financial aid to Israel, which may be actively blackmailing the U.S. government. The Epstein case alone warrants severing ties with Israel until the truth is exposed, as blackmail compromises our government's integrity.

Speaker 1 explains why she agreed to be interviewed, despite disagreeing with the interviewer, because they share a common concern: the US government should prioritize Americans. She commends the "MAGA base" for demanding the release of the Epstein files, wanting transparency about potential pedophiles in government. She believes the government should be sovereign and focused on the American people, not foreign interests. She criticizes foreign aid to Israel while domestic programs like Medicaid and food assistance face cuts, calling it unjust. She denies being antisemitic and refuses to be silenced. The speaker admits she was wrong about the "defund the police" movement after seeing its negative consequences in Los Angeles. She now sees the issue as more complex and nuanced. She discusses the homelessness and drug addiction crises in Los Angeles, criticizing politicians for ineffective policies and misuse of taxpayer money. She expresses outrage at the number of overdose deaths and the normalization of the crisis. She also notes that Israel sold weapons to Azerbaijan, which were used to ethnically cleanse ethnic Armenians from Nagorno Karabakh. She also discusses the media landscape, cable news, and the importance of open-mindedness and truth. She praises Cenk Uygur for allowing her to speak her mind on The Young Turks, even when it hurt the business. She also discusses the Armenian genocide and the large Christian population in Iran.

"it's not antisemitic to talk about this, and it's not antisemitic to question any foreign country's government secular government, including Israel." "We fund a lot of other countries' borders better than we fund our own." "it's over $800,000,000,000,000, actually, close to 900,000,000,000,000 is the total bill." "the 500,000,000 for Israel." "They already received $3,400,000,000 annually every single year through the State Department." "Taiwan for 500,000,000 and for Jordan for 500,000,000 as well." "There's 15,000,000 in there for AIDS prevention education activities." "America's broke. We're $37,000,000,000,000 in debt." "we just can't pay for the world anymore." "Not being an isolationist. That's actually being smart and serving the people that that pay for all of this stuff and have been chained into 37,000,000,000,000 in debt." "And that's not being mean to foreign people and foreign countries, but America's broke."

MTG describes her rise from Georgia construction business owner to congresswoman, a Trump loyalist who has fought on Fauci, trans issues, and Epstein files, and faced media attacks after entering Congress in 2020. She argues “the American people are very much against foreign wars, funding foreign wars, sending American troops into foreign countries to protect their borders, their interests, their people.” She Opposes a potential Article Five security guarantee for Ukraine and questions NATO membership for Ukraine, asking “why does Ukraine deserve it” and “we don't have time to fund what you're doing. No. We don't.” On spending, she cites “We're $37,000,000,000,000 in debt” and outlines gridlock: “September 30, government funding deadline” and “fifteen days... to pass 10 more appropriation bills.” She critiques lobbying groups, especially APAC: “APAC takes freshmen... to Israel” and “APAC ... not registered under FARA.” She notes “Israel receives 3.8 billion dollars in funding” and envisions MAGA future after Trump, saying “No one will fill Trump's shoes.”

Speaker 1 says that the real information about the Epstein files has not come out and that “there were only four Republicans, four of us that’s really fought to get them released,” who “signed the discharge petition, went against the White House,” and were “threatened,” with Donald Trump calling him a traitor and saying his friends would be hurt. He questions why anyone would vote for Republicans if the administration doesn’t release all the information, framing it as a line in the sand for many people. Speaker 0 asks why they think the Epstein files are being hidden. Speaker 1 responds that it’s because the hidden information would protect “some of the most rich, powerful people,” arguing that Epstein was “definitely some sort of part of the intelligence state” who was “working with Israel” and with the “former prime minister of Israel.” He asserts that these are “the dirty parts of government and the powers that be that they don’t want the American people to know about.” He concludes that, sadly, he doesn’t think the files will come out. Speaker 0 presses on whether Trump is in the Epstein files. Speaker 1 speculates that if someone is “living under blackmail” or “living under threat” and told not to release information, that fear could influence actions. He suggests that someone might be warned by threats to prevent disclosure, giving a hypothetical example: after standing on a rally stage, you could be shot in the ear and warned that “next time we won’t miss,” or that the bullet might be for someone you care about. He says he is “speculating,” but notes he has “a strong enough reason to speculate like that.”

Topic: Epstein, transparency, and US debt in MAGA politics. Speaker 1 argues the November 2024 election centers on transparency and a "two tier justice system" where "rich, powerful elites" evade accountability, urging voters to "Follow the money" and scrutinize offshore trusts and the DOJ’s effort to "keep secret the names of two Epstein associates who wired a $102,150 k in 2018." She emphasizes releasing Epstein files and allowing victims to present a list of names, possibly read on the House floor under "speech and debate" privilege. The discussion touches APAC and FARA, and a priority to defund foreign aid given debt ("We are 37,000,000,000,000 in debt. America is broke."). They discuss Ukraine and Israel aid, proposing NDAA amendments to defund Ukraine and parts of Israel aid. They also describe their relationship with Trump and the desire for America-first policy.

The unredacted Epstein files have been shown on Capitol Hill, with Ro Khanna and Thomas Massey beginning to view them. The discussion centers on why large portions of the documents were redacted by the DOJ and why Pam Bondi may not have complied with the Epstein Transparency Act. An ad aired during the Super Bowl urging transparency and truth about the victims and the case is referenced. Ghislain Maxwell, Epstein’s associate, appeared before Congress and pleaded the fifth when asked direct questions. Ro Khanna summarized his view of Maxwell’s deposition: after listening to her refusal to answer questions about the men who raped underage girls, she should be sent back to maximum security rather than stay in a country club setting. The conversation then returns to why the DOJ did not release the names of clients and coconspirators, with Massey highlighting the failure to release those names as a core issue. Former Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene appeared on Redacted to speak about the Epstein files. She emphasized the victims’ desire for transparency and the public’s right to know the truth, noting the files illustrate violence and possible murder, far beyond what initial perceptions suggested. Greene stated that the release of the files has shown the American people more than many can handle, and she argued that the DOJ is breaking the law by redacting certain names and deleting or redacting information in ways that protect the powerful. She also asserted that the files reveal a vast cover-up involving rich and powerful elites, and she tied the issue to a broader theory of an international deep state. Greene claimed that the problem is not just with individuals like Pam Bondi, but that “the man at the top is Donald Trump,” who she said initially opposed releasing the files and labeled the release a “democrat hoax.” She argued that Bondi works for Trump and that the FBI and other agencies operate under the president’s authority, making independent action difficult. She asserted that the president’s stance has influenced the pace and scope of disclosures, and that those who press for release face political backlash. She also described her confrontation with the two-party system as a “political industrial complex” that punishes dissidents, detailing how Massey and others have faced political and professional retaliation. Greene reflected on the personal cost of pushing for disclosure, recounting the pressure and the “knife in the back” she has felt from colleagues across the aisle. She described the political environment as a “blood sport” in which those pushing for transparency are isolated, while the system rewards conformity. She criticized neocon Republicans and asserted that governance is driven by fear and fundraising rather than principled action. She indicated that, for her, the Epstein issue underscores broader frustrations with Washington and the perceived inability of independent actors to enact change within a two-party framework. Regarding potential remedies, the discussion touched on the possibility of an independent counsel. Greene suggested that the American people themselves are the independent counsel, explaining that trust in politicians to appoint such counsel is limited. She expressed skepticism that the Epstein files will yield accountability, noting that the president warned that “his friends would get hurt.” She stated she does not expect significant resignations or indictments of major figures, including those connected to Israel, but underscored the desire for full transparency and justice for the victims. When asked about listing the names seen in the documents, Greene clarified that the list is held by the women involved and that reading it publicly could expose them to costly lawsuits; she did not have the list herself.

Liam Crosgrove of Zero Hedge asks about the president's foreign policy, noting peace efforts with India, Pakistan, the Houthis, Iran, and Putin, contrasting this with continued funding for the wars in Israel and Ukraine. He asks if Americans can expect an end to financing foreign wars and if that is one of the president's goals. The speaker says the president's foreign policy is "America first," aiming to end conflicts in Israel/Gaza and Ukraine. The president will speak with Putin and Zelenskyy. He wants all hostages released. Crosgrove then references Trump's video about the "Clinton body count" and the death of Mark Middleton, found dead on Clinton Foundation property, apparently shooting himself in the chest with a shotgun and hanging himself from a tree with an extension cord. He asks about the Epstein files, specifically the omission of connections to intelligence agencies and potential ties to the Israeli government. He asks when phase two will be released with information on these aspects. The speaker defers to the Department of Justice on the timeline for releasing the files.

Congressman Massey says the Epstein files touch "two Americas. One America for the rich and powerful." Epstein allegedly "raping 13 and 14 year olds" boasted of knowing presidents and leaders, yet survivors were told "nothing could be done." He asks for the full release of the files, noting "there are people who have raised that issue who are very credible" and questioning possible involvement by foreign governments or intelligence services. He cites donor pressure and says he has faced "private messages saying this is gonna cost you financial support." Victims fear for safety and have seen the files through their lawyers; they are prepared to release their own list if needed. The files are stored at DOJ, FBI, CIA, and Treasury; "we want the release of all of them." He seeks two more Republican votes and calls this "a moral test" for the country.

The speaker believes 95-99% of Congress should be tried for treason for allowing Israel and its money to control everything in the United States. They claim the U.S. does not have control over itself because Congress is controlled by a foreign nation that does not have America's best interests in mind. The speaker cites a vote to cut $500 million from going to Israel, alleging it goes towards bombing kids, and claims 455 people voted to keep it, while only six voted against it. Marjorie Taylor Greene is praised for opposing the funding. The speaker asserts Israel controls the United States 100% and suggests people should investigate how much money each congressperson has taken from APAC, which they describe as an Israeli funding service. They also allege most members of Congress are probably on the Epstein list.

Speaker 0 raises a question about accountability for Israel and mentions Jeffrey Epstein’s dealings with Mossad. Speaker 1 asks, without specifics, whether there are forces that tried to influence him to stop what he’s doing now. Speaker 0 responds that they wouldn’t vote for foreign aid and foreign war funding, and they were upset because he said no. He states: “I’m not voting to fund the Ukraine war ever,” and “Israel’s doing just fine. We don’t need to give them a penny, not a single penny, nor do we need to give it to any other country, but they get mad at me for that.”

The transcript centers on a long-form discussion of the Epstein case, the alleged “deep state,” FOIA operations, and political maneuvering around Trump, with frequent calls to aggressively release and pursue Epstein-related documents and other investigations. The speakers assert that the FOIA department is being used to shield deep-state ties and that many federal offices are filled with anti-Trump figures who have prevented full disclosure. - Epstein files and the role of the deep state - The speakers claim the Epstein files are being selectively redacted by FOIA departments to conceal deep-state connections. They state that FOIA personnel are controlled by deep-state actors and that Epstein’s case involves a “fleet of aircraft” and operations linked to major power centers. They argue Epstein’s activities connect to money laundering, information laundering, and a broader set of deep-state assets and operations. - They propose a remedy: appoint Tom Fitton as special counsel on the Epstein files, arguing he “knows how FOIA really works,” understands key personnel, and has litigated Epstein-related cases for years. They assert this would restore public confidence and expedite the exposure of Democratic ties and other actors alleged to be involved. - They advocate for Trump to have executive-privilege-style powers to declassify and release Epstein materials, suggesting a broad interpretation of “Epstein file law” that would allow him to disclose or appoint an ombudsman with power to release materials at will. They emphasize the need to disclose Democratic ties and to hold press conferences when releasing documents, avoiding the use of fake documents or videos. - Specific figures and institutions named - Kash Patel is cited as saying there are “open files on a dozen plus coconspirators” and as someone who has noted alleged misdirections by those handling Epstein-related material. - Kyle Serafin and Phil Kennedy are mentioned as documenting a person at the FBI capacity who is “an anti-Trump advocate,” implying that deep-state appointments control FOIA and related processes. - Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss replacing FOIA and related personnel who are deeply implicated; they specifically name Tom Fitton as the ideal choice and entertain other high-profile figures like Tulsi Gabbard as potential custodians of the Epstein disclosures. - Tulsi Gabbard is described as being in charge of broader investigations tied to the Epstein files and other major political issues (elections, COVID-19, etc.). They also reference “Epstein files” intersecting with other investigations they attribute to the deep state. - Epstein, Maxwell, and allied networks - Epstein is described as deeply embedded with Western intelligence agencies (French, Israeli, UK, and US) and tied to Robert Maxwell, with Maxwell’s daughter linked to Epstein. Epstein is portrayed as having been “recruited by Bill Barr” and as a central figure in a long-running intelligence and blackmail operation. - The discussion links Epstein to Leslie Wexner (Victoria’s Secret founder) and a French talent agency, portraying these connections as part of a large, interconnected network involved in money laundering, arms trafficking, blackmail, and intelligence work. - The speakers insist that Epstein’s activities extended to the late 1990s and beyond, including alleged involvement in “Shutters” in Santa Monica and other high-profile cases, with a consistent pattern of using underage girls and blackmail to exert influence. - They emphasize a broader motive: exposing the “deep state” to vindicate Trump and indict deep-state actors who allegedly engaged in illicit operations, including foreign intelligence services and Western governments. - The broader political frame and potential indictments - The Epstein files are presented as a potential hinge for indicting a wide array of figures across political lines, including references to Comey, Mueller, Hillary Clinton-era actors, and other “rogue actors” who allegedly hindered investigations. - The conversation ties Epstein to broader themes: the 2020 election, COVID policies, and anti-Trump actions by the “deep state.” They contend that the Epstein disclosures could demonstrate the depth of state interference in political processes and media, making Democrats and their institutions targets of accountability. - They argue the Epstien files could show criminal activity by multiple national actors, including Israeli, UK, and French components, and could reveal coordinated efforts to derail Trump and manipulate media narratives. - The Candace Owens angle and related criticisms - A substantial portion of the dialogue critiques Candace Owens, alleging she is running a “CIA-style” operation that distracts from the true conspiracy around the deep state and Tarantifa, and that she manipulates narratives related to Tyler Robinson and Charlie Kirk. - They accuse Owens of shifting narratives, fabricating alibis, and promoting disinformation, calling her a “SIOP” (psychological operation) and alleging her behind-the-scenes connections to MI6 or other international actors through her husband (George Farmer) and other associates. - They recount multiple incidents where Owens purportedly changed stories about meetings, alibis, and involvement in various investigations, asserting she uses “receipts” selectively and inconsistently to support divergent claims. - The speakers allege that Owens’s public warfare against Trump and TP USA is part of a broader intelligence operation intended to disrupt conservative momentum, link to Royal/MI6 circles, and undermine investigations into the deep state and its networks. - Tyler Robinson case and media dynamics - They describe Tyler Robinson as a Middle American figure whose transformation into a political actor is portrayed as a product of online radicalization and Tarantifa-linked influences. They claim there was a concerted effort to spoon-feed disinformation about Robinson and Candace Owens’ involvement. - They argue this is part of a larger pattern of media manipulation and disinformation designed to distract from real conspiracies and to target Trump and conservative movements. - Strategy and messaging guidance - The speakers advocate for Trump to go on the offensive with Epstein, releasing comprehensive, verified documentation, and pushing accountability for “rogue actors” in the FBI, the DOJ, the CIA, and the NSA. - They stress the need for aggressive prosecution and the appointment of trusted figures to lead the Epstein disclosures, arguing that this could restore public confidence and pivot the political conversation toward accountability for the deep state. - They urge addressing the statute of limitations issues in COVID, January 6, and 2020 election-related cases before the window closes in early 2026, warning that delays by Bondi, Blanche, and others could jeopardize prosecutions and political support. - Promotional and logistical notes - The dialogue includes frequent mentions of promoting Alex Jones programs, products, and stores (alexjonesstore.com and infowarsstore.com) to fund operations, along with appeals to listeners to support the broadcasts financially and through purchases, framing financial support as essential to sustaining investigations, media efforts, and broader political action. In sum, the transcript presents an entangled, aggressively conspiratorial narrative: a claim that Epstein’s files illuminate a vast, deeply embedded deep-state apparatus spanning multiple nations and agencies; a call to appoint trusted figures (notably Tom Fitton) to supervise full disclosure; a push for Trump to declassify and publicly prosecute the implicated actors; a harsh critique of Candace Owens as part of a disinformation ecosystem; and a broader strategy to use Epstein, along with related investigations, to dismantle perceived institutional corruption while fueling political narratives and fundraising.

The speaker asks Elon if he would consider stopping financial aid to countries like Israel and Ukraine, and ending funding for "forever wars" that supposedly benefit the "deep state." Elon responds that government waste is staggering. He states that any expenditure should benefit American citizens, because the money being spent is the public's money. He adds that politicians often forget this, and that spending should be beneficial to the American people.

"If you ask what would have Trump done with the Epstein files of six, eight, twelve months ago, I'll release them. Easy. Same thing with Putin Zelensky. There'll be progress towards peace." "DOJ wants to keep secret the names of two Epstein associates who wired a $102,150 k in 2018 right after the whole story blew up." "Follow the money because that can expose a lot of the characters." "Americans want transparency from their government." "I don't take donations from big pharma. I don't take donations from APAC." "we just can't fucking afford it anymore." "APAC registering under FARA." "America first." "defund $600,000,000 for Ukraine out of our National Defense Authorization Act."

The speaker claims to have compiled an Epstein client list using victims' testimonies, internal emails, court documents, settlements, financial records, and staff testimony, not a single "black book." This list was released publicly in 2019 but received little attention due to the speaker's prior cancellation for opposing Israel. The speaker asserts that Epstein was working for a foreign government, compromising powerful Americans. Contrary to popular belief, people *have* been prosecuted and companies have paid large settlements related to Epstein, but it's not publicized. Jean Luc Brunel, allegedly the number three man in the Epstein ring, was arrested but died in prison. The speaker believes the truth about Epstein is being ignored, similar to 9/11 conspiracy theories. They state that videos from Epstein's properties exist and that many pedophiles and human traffickers are being arrested, but the media is silent. The speaker shares pages from the list and urges someone with media reach to discuss the issue.

“‘There is no we. It it is not we.’ The speaker says politicians ‘are getting paid to promote the GOP’ while unemployment rises and promises like student-debt relief ignored. They claim Democrats and Republicans ‘take turns in office’ and that, they 'extended the corporate tax cut.' Five years of Epstein controversy are recalled as ‘Epstein, Epstein, a pedophile island.’ Then dismissed with, ‘I don't know what you're talking about. Oh, you care about that? Oh, get real. That's not actually affecting anybody.’ They reference immigration: ‘the big beautiful bill’ to slow deportations. The MAGA machine—‘Wall Street, Silicon Valley, Israel’—is said to oppose Thomas Massey, described as ‘public enemy number one of MAGA,’ persecuted by Susie Wiles, a fucking lobbyist. They demand release of forty five thousand hours of Capitol footage, Tucker Carlson received it, and accuse Israel-linked figures like Peter Thiel of hiding material in a ‘Peto Island conspiracy.’

There are no Doge cuts, and this is not USAID. The speaker is talking about waste and fraud, specifically in Medicaid, and claims no one has been turned over to the DOJ for fraud. Elon Musk gave false hope to a political class that doesn't want to cut anything. The big bill has problems, but it passed because Musk promised a trillion dollars. The rescission next week is $9 billion, with $2 billion from PBS and NPR. There's supposedly $7 billion in fraud on a $7 trillion budget. Musk committed $1 trillion to the President, leading to questions about whether it's all "BS."