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Speaker 0 argues that due to the country’s horrible history, levels of reparation are completely appropriate, but acknowledges that much has changed this century and that merit should eventually be reinstated to where it formally was. They state that the issue was bypassed, and that the people it’s supposed to help are often not helped by forgetting about it. Speaker 1 counters by saying merit is just a concept, and questions how to solve the problem, especially with “two white dudes sitting on a couch.” They reject the idea of guilt and assert that being white does not mean they cannot have opinions or engage in the discussion.

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Slavery was common across civilizations, not just in the West. It was not solely based on race. Many different races owned slaves, including black people and Native Americans. The US government fought to end slavery, and reparations may not be the best solution. Western civilization was the first to reject slavery morally, so we should not feel ashamed but proud.

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Black people sold black people; white people just paid for it. The speaker's great-great-grandmother was sold by her father to another black man, who then sold her to her husband. Slavery existed worldwide, including in the Arab, Persian, and Greek worlds, and among Europeans. Slavery is not unique to black people. Racism is given too much respect. Discrimination would still exist even in a mono-racial world; people would discriminate based on traits like eye color. As long as you are competition and a threat, someone will try to remove you, regardless of race. Conversely, if you add value, you will be appreciated, regardless of race.

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Speaker 0 repeats the line: "You can run on for a long time. Run on for a long time. Run on for a long time. Sooner or later, gotta put you down." Speaker 1 recounts that "the Arab slave trader brought his African merchandise to a broker in a large town who put them up for sale in the slave market." He notes that among the many brokers in the Arab world, there were some brokers who don't like to be remembered in The United States Of America—these were the Jewish brokers who were in great towns such as Damascus and Baghdad. He adds, "Yes. Amen." Speaker 1 continues with a reflection on "what a lot of trouble professor Jeffries got into," and remarks that all he talked about was "a Jew, old Jew over there in Newport, Rhode Island." He then expands the scope: "But what about the Jews of Amsterdam? The Jews of Lisbon? The Jews of Cadiz? The Jews of Toulouse? The Jews of Bristol, the great slave port of England, Bristol," because Bristol is where the great voyages were planned. He explains that Bristol was the place where people financed ships and sent them out on three-month voyages to fetch slaves across, describing who had "the money to put those ships on the sea," to finance "these huge caravans" and to carry out the slave trade. Speaker 1 then asks, "Who were the great merchants of the Middle East? Who were the great merchants of Europe? And some of brothers and sisters, who were they? Jews." He concludes that Jews were involved in the slave trade and questions how they "weren't in the slave trade," asserting that they "never cared about how they turned an honest dollar," and that from their point of view, "it's an honest dollar," even though they are "lamenting the fact now and denying it."

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The speaker argues that slavery has been a universal institution throughout history, not confined to any single race or country, and notes that while Adam Smith claimed in 1776 that Western Europe was the only place with no slavery, Western Europeans nonetheless owned vast numbers of slaves in the Western Hemisphere, though not in Western Europe itself. The claim is made that pursuing reparations for slavery would entail the greatest transfer of wealth back and forth. The speaker asserts that the number of whites enslaved in North Africa by the Barbary pirates exceeded the number of Africans enslaved in the United States and the American colonies combined. Despite this, the speaker contends that nobody would go to North Africa to seek reparations because “nobody is gonna be fool enough to give it to them.”

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- "White people didn't invent slavery. In fact, they were the first to end it." - "Slavery is evil, but it's an ancient human evil practiced by everyone to everyone." - "Trans Saharan slave trade." - "Barbary slave trade." - "Europeans did take slavery to another scale when they came to Africa." - "Which major power stopped slavery first? The British, in large part because of pro human Christian values." - "White people aren't better than anyone else, but they're also not worse." - "That lie makes us ignore history and fuels racial hatred." - "The only way out of this is to stop making morality about the color of people." - "Because in our capacity for good and evil, we are all equals."

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Americans are taught that America was the worst when it comes to slavery, but this is complete nonsense. American slavery is portrayed as uniquely evil because slaves were considered property, but generational slavery was common worldwide. While the U.S. receives focus due to slavery, most slaves were not shipped there; the U.S. received under 400,000 out of 10-12 million. Focusing on historical abuse by white people won't help the black community gain capital, as modern problems aren't tied to ethnic conflict from 160 years ago. Problems in the black community increased with welfare programs. Almost every society had slavery, including the Aztecs, Persians, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Vikings, and especially the Arab world, who took about 17 million people from Africa. The British and Americans were rare in abolishing slavery. The British Navy sank around 1,600 slave ships and freed 150,000 people. Saudi Arabia only recently abolished the slave trade, and the global slavery index estimates over 700,000 slaves still exist there. American slavery was horrible but not unique. Focusing solely on America's evils hasn't improved race relations.

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Two speakers criticize treating a 'de minimis time in American history' as a tool for power, urging context beyond 'the honorable sacrifices' that ended slavery and 'America and England were the first to end slavery.' They claim, 'Slavery has existed for five thousand years in Africa. Shockingly, it still exists today,' and question why issue ignores slavery in Africa today. They warn that painting 'one race with this brush' fuels racism, arguing, 'The vast majority of white people weren't bad guys and didn't perpetrate evil' and, 'it's 2% of American whites that owned slaves.' They critique Smithsonian displays: 'not for gay pride month' at the Museum of American History; Latino history with Batista/Cuba and 'no mention of Fidel Castro'; gender testing described as 'genitals' and 'cheek swab DNA test'; and 'The Star Spangled Banner' as 'a racist' with the Betsy Ross flag. They conclude there's 'no balance' in the narrative.

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The speaker discusses the connection between colonization, the transatlantic slave trade, and the establishment of Africa as the ultimate racial other. They explain how the idea of race was used to justify the brutal exploitation of Africans and the dehumanization of black people. This ideology also served to legitimize the dominance of whiteness globally. The speaker emphasizes that these legacies not only defined subordinate groups but also established and legitimized the dominance of the white group. They conclude by stating that even in 2021, whiteness continues to hold power globally due to the historical processes of colonialism and the transatlantic slave trade.

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Speaker 0 states it is not okay to be white because white people have "done too much bad" and should "try not to be white." Speaker 1 questions if these statements constitute hate speech, imagining the reaction if someone expressed similar sentiments toward their skin color. Speaker 1 believes only white people are held accountable for their words and actions, and that some people are striving for supremacy rather than equality. Speaker 1 wonders if the person who made the initial statements is gainfully employed and if it would be wrong to find out where they work and inform their employer.

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Speaker 0 asks Speaker 1 if they believe white people should pay reparations, claiming Speaker 1 tweeted in January 2020, "Yes, the North. Yes. All of us. Yes. America. Yes. Our original collective sin and unpaid debt. Yes. Reparations. Yes. On this day." Speaker 1 denies the tweet referred to fiscal reparations. Speaker 1 states the tweet referenced owing much to those who came before. Speaker 0 calls this a bizarre framing of the tweet.

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The speaker claims that vicious racism exists in the country, using the movie Django as an example, where the black hero says, "kill white people and get paid for it." The speaker alleges that major Jewish studios, including the Weinstein brothers, are constantly talking about white slavery. The speaker asserts that Jews, though a small percentage of the world's population, have historically controlled and dominated the worldwide slave trade for 2000 years, citing their own historians. They claim Jews enslaved millions of Europeans, worked with North African corsairs, and ran the triangular slave trade. The speaker accuses the Jewish-controlled media of creating guilt for white people about slavery, despite Jews being the "chief slave traders." They reference the Old Testament, claiming it says non-Jews can be enslaved and treated harshly. While condemning slavery and imperialism, the speaker argues it's ridiculous to condemn European Americans for their role in slavery for a few hundred years, as every nation has engaged in it.

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Speaker 0 claims Black Americans are the wealthiest black people globally and believes victimhood is a hindrance, asserting nothing holds black people back and they benefit from advantages like lower college test score requirements and freedom of speech. Speaker 1 objects to the "victim mentality" claim. Speaker 1 states that people say the n-word to them frequently. Speaker 0 expresses disbelief and accuses Speaker 1 of a "race hoax" akin to Jussie Smollett, suggesting the alleged incident is fabricated to portray white students as racist. Speaker 0 asks if a black person said the n-word. Speaker 1 does not answer the question. Speaker 0 argues that if the n-word wasn't used as an insult, it shouldn't be presented as evidence of racism.

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The discussion revolves around trans rights, the woke mind virus, and the overemphasis on race issues in society. The speakers debate the importance of acknowledging historical inequities while advocating for a future where individuals are treated based on who they are. They touch on the legacy of slavery and racism in the country, with one speaker emphasizing the need to move forward and treat everyone as individuals rather than constantly revisiting the past. The conversation highlights the complexity of addressing societal issues while striving for a more inclusive and equitable future.

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Speaker 0 questions why black people complain and can't earn their own way. Speaker 1 counters, stating that black people are smart and were brought to build the nation. Speaker 0 disagrees, claiming that black people were sold by other blacks to Arabs, who then sold them worldwide. Speaker 1 interrupts, mentioning white people stealing and building the White House. Speaker 0 dismisses this, accusing black people of begging and being destructive. Speaker 1 denies begging and mentions reparation, affirmative action, and access to schools and jobs. Speaker 0 insists that black people are begging for various benefits and questions why they don't act smart instead.

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The speaker discusses reparations and suggests that the Democratic party should pay them to black Americans. They mention the history of black people becoming Republicans in the 1800s and creating successful communities like Black Wall Street. The speaker also points out that the Ku Klux Klan, created by the Democratic party, targeted black communities like Black Wall Street.

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There’s a focus on the historical grievances of black people, emphasizing the suffering of 80 million black lives lost, while questioning the empathy shown towards Jewish suffering. It’s argued that Jewish individuals control local economies, profiting from communities without genuine support. Historical references are made to Jewish involvement in the slave trade, claiming they dominated it for centuries. The discussion connects the cotton industry during slavery to modern economic interests, likening cotton's value then to oil's value today. Jewish merchants in the South and North are noted for their roles in the cotton trade, leading to significant wealth accumulation. The speaker insists on revealing these truths for awareness and accountability.

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I won't apologize for slavery because I didn't own slaves. Most people in the South, including my ancestors, were poor and didn't own plantations. My grandparents were independent fishermen, so it doesn't make sense to label us as contributors to slavery. If there's anger, it should be directed at the ancestors who sold people into slavery, not at me today. I wasn't part of the slave trade, so why should I be held responsible for it now?

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Person 1: I asked to get clarity on the white supremacy concept. I'm half German, half Irish. We’ve talked where nobody believes the holo hoax stuff anymore. The more people read into it with masturbation machines, lampshades, piles of shoes, an honest assessment shows it’s lunacy. But who benefited most from the Holocaust? Jews and world Jewry. But who was the target of Holocaust? Hoaxers. Germany. Germany. White Europeans. No. Germany. So why have Americans been paying so much for Holocaust museums and restitution and memorial councils and support for Israel and for world Jewry? Why are there 700 NGOs for supporting Jews and giving money to Jews, and basically zero to support founding stock white European Americans. Literally zero Jews signed the Declaration of Independence or the constitution, and the constitution and declaration were both overwhelmingly signed by white Europeans. If you want to extend it, like the founding fathers that were Freemasons that were Kabbalist kind of Jews, then that’s not accurate. They weren’t Kabbalists. Freemasonry was created literally in 1843 funded by the Rothschilds for the purposes of subverting Freemasonry and rewriting the narrative around our Freemasonry founding fathers. George Washington, Ben Franklin, James Madison, Van Buren—absolutely correct. Absolutely wrong. If you’re talking about the free Masonic founding fathers, by extension, they’re Kabbalistic Jews anyway. Person 2: Ben Franklin in 1787 … there’s a hierarchy. Crypto Jews, John Kerry Cohen, for instance. He’s a free Masonic Jew as well. Kabbalistic believer and all that stuff. Trump likely is too. He’s a convert. And then you’ve got Freemasons that are secondary because it’s their pathway to be able to become official Shabbos scorer that get to enjoy the perks of all the Jewish crimes that they commit. B’nai B’rith actually did infiltrate the Free Masonic Lodges back in 1843, done by a bunch of German Jews in New York that started the first lodge, then gradually infiltrated the other lodges they didn’t control at that time. B’nai B’rith is actually one of the biggest global movements now; they’ve got over 5,000 of these Masonic houses and schools, etc., that they use for human trafficking. Charlotte, South Carolina is their headquarters. They’re everywhere; you don’t even know where all the homes are because they have so many of them. They’re rival with Khobod Lubovich, another massive movement with many pieces of real estate. They can be probably more powerful than the Vatican combined. I guess they run the Vatican. Person 3: But you understand I’m an anti-supremacist, right? You wanna tell me that you know, the white race, why can’t we have a white country, a white state? No one’s stopping you. Have your white ethnoidentarian state. Nobody cares. When you say they were persecuting the Germans, even after World War II, they killed over 11,000,000. If you believe Theodore Kaufman’s book, Germany must perish. They had Germany on the target list from the early medieval times. Do you recall how many Goy were killed in World War II? It’s like over 80,000,000 or so. They’re mostly whites, British or French, Russians. It’s mainly whites that were killed—Slavs, mainly Slavs. Slavs, but then Brits, French, others, whites were killed too. The point: they want whites fighting amongst each other, brother wars like World War I to wipe each other out and to restrict birth rates by pushing things like LGBTQ, hijacking kids to go through sex changes becoming infertile. It’s the same with the COVID vaccine, leading to sterility and reduced birth rates. So they are looking to kill, gradually reduce the white population. Person 1: Their biggest servants and slaves are white Christians. John Hagee, they’re a problem. I condemn them as well; they’re part of the problem. Since 1909, with the Schofield Bible, they’ve subverted Christians who would have viewed the Bible differently. The facts are the facts. We’re just slaves, manipulated. Take care of your own, don’t tell me you want a white utopia when you’re slaves, soldiers and slaves of Jewry. Albert, with what how the Jews have taken over with their institutions, their control of…

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"Is because you can then misuse words like oppression." "There has been no oppression for the white man in this country." "You tell me which white men were dragged out of their homes." "You tell me which one of them got dragged all the way across an ocean and told that you are gonna go at work." "We are gonna steal your wives." "We are gonna rape your wives." "That didn't happen." "That is oppression." "We didn't ask to be here." "We're not the same migrants that y'all constantly come up against." "We didn't run away from home. We were stolen." "So, yeah, we are gonna sit here and be offended when you wanna sit here and act like and and and don't let it escape you that it is white men on this side of the aisle telling us, people of color on this side of the aisle, that y'all are the ones being oppressed, that y'all are the ones that are being harmed."

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The speaker states that if elected president, they will sign a bill providing reparations for descendants of African descent should it reach their desk.

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Speaker 0 was alarmed to see the MSM, either CNN or MSNBC, defining a certain action as reparations and stating, "This is what reparations means." Speaker 1 stated that certain people should experience being in a farm in the middle of the night when someone comes for them, gang rape, and witnessing the torture and death of a loved one before reparations can be discussed. Speaker 1 does not recommend gang rape, based on personal experience.

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Reparations are not supported because not all individuals suffered equally during slavery. It is important to recognize that some free blacks owned black slaves. Instead of focusing on winners and losers, we should move beyond victimhood and acknowledge the achievements of black communities in the face of oppression. Blaming white America for challenges like violence and out-of-wedlock births is counterproductive. The real crisis in America is a moral and spiritual decline, leading to high rates of homicide and suicide. To address this, we must unite beyond race and focus on personal responsibility and valuing life. We should define ourselves by our future aspirations, not by past wrongs. Motivating change requires envisioning victories, not dwelling on injuries.

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The Gloves Come Off: A New Strategy for Fighting the Woke | Douglas Murray | POLITICS | Rubin Report
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In a discussion between Dave Rubin and Douglas Murray, they explore the concept of a "war on the West," highlighting the influence of radical ideologies like Wokeism and the implications of critical race theory. Murray argues that these ideologies have infiltrated various fields, including STEM, contrary to previous assumptions that they would remain confined to the liberal arts. He emphasizes the dangers of accepting false narratives about race and history, particularly in the context of police violence and the misrepresentation of societal issues. Murray critiques the notion of reparations, asserting that it opens wounds that should remain closed and that it unfairly demands accountability from individuals who did not commit historical wrongs. He points out the hypocrisy in how society addresses historical injustices, noting that discussions around slavery often ignore the broader context of global slavery practices. The conversation shifts to the role of religion and culture in Western society, with Murray lamenting the decline of traditional values and the rise of a culture that prioritizes social justice over foundational beliefs. He argues that the assault on Western philosophy and religious traditions is part of a broader effort to dismantle the cultural inheritance of the West. Murray concludes by advocating for a return to truth and a rejection of the idea that Western culture is solely defined by its historical sins. He calls for a more assertive stance against anti-Western sentiments, suggesting that courtesy has limits and that society must stop being overly accommodating to ideologies that undermine its foundations.

Lex Fridman Podcast

Douglas Murray: Racism, Marxism, and the War on the West | Lex Fridman Podcast #296
Guests: Douglas Murray
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In this conversation, Douglas Murray discusses the ongoing cultural critique of Western civilization, emphasizing that its values and history are under attack. He defines Western civilization as a blend of ideas from ancient Greece, Rome, and the Bible, which has shaped modern societies like the U.S., Canada, and Australia. Murray argues that the West is characterized by a commitment to the rule of law, property rights, and a unique interest in global cultures, although he acknowledges the darker aspects of its history, such as slavery. Murray asserts that slavery is not a uniquely Western sin, as it has existed in various forms across civilizations. He highlights that the West was also the civilization that abolished slavery, pointing out that many founding figures, despite their flaws, had aspirations to end the practice. He discusses the complexities of addressing historical injustices, such as reparations, arguing that current discussions often overlook the nuances of individual circumstances and the multi-dimensional nature of social issues. The conversation shifts to the topic of institutional racism, with Murray expressing skepticism about claims that systemic racism is the sole cause of disparities in achievement among different racial groups. He suggests that factors like family structure and personal responsibility also play significant roles. Murray critiques the notion that all societal problems can be traced back to historical injustices, emphasizing the importance of individual agency. Murray also addresses the rise of critical race theory in academia, arguing that it promotes a divisive narrative that oversimplifies complex social issues. He believes that the focus on race can obscure other important factors and that the current cultural climate encourages a form of victimhood that stifles constructive dialogue. The discussion touches on the dangers of resentment and the human tendency to blame others for personal failures. Murray posits that gratitude can serve as an antidote to resentment, fostering a more positive outlook on life. He warns against the pitfalls of deconstructionist thinking, which he believes has led to a culture of criticism without constructive solutions. Murray expresses concern about the future of America, highlighting the need for a shared understanding of history and common values to bridge societal divides. He advocates for recognizing both the positive and negative aspects of historical figures, arguing that a balanced perspective is essential for moving forward. In closing, Murray emphasizes the importance of love and connection in the human experience, suggesting that these elements provide a glimpse of the divine. He encourages young people to seek meaning through literature and personal relationships, asserting that understanding and empathy are crucial for navigating the complexities of modern life.
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