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Speaker 0 questions whether Benjamin Netanyahu deliberately boosted Hamas to prevent a Palestinian state. Speaker 1 answers yes, it was deliberate and systematic, even on record: “Whoever wants to avoid the threat of a two state solution has to support my policy of paying protection money to the Hamas.” With the prime minister’s permission, Qatar was allowed to transfer a huge amount of cash, probably more than $1,400,000,000. By doing it, they increased Hamas’s power, with the objective that Hamas would continue to control Gaza while the Palestinian Authority would control the West Bank so they would fight each other. Speaker 0 states that Netanyahu maintained the Qatar money was to avoid a humanitarian catastrophe. Having helped to build up Hamas, Netanyahu has now vowed to destroy it. He “fed the beast,” and it exploded in our face. If national security strategy is based solely on force, then one would need to win twenty four seven forever.

Discussion on Hamas and Israel. 'Israel, bombed Qatar, which houses a lot of Hamas officials,' and asks whether this 'will this potentially endanger America's own interest in The Middle East?' They compare Israel’s aims to 'unconditional surrender' and ask, 'What does success look like in Gaza?' noting that twenty three months have passed. They seek feedback from American perspective on how things could have been handled—PR, conduct—and how to respond to claims that Israel is committing genocide. The dialogue questions whether the media is totally presenting the truth when it comes to Israel, and discusses ethnic cleansing and what a good outcome five years from now would be. The host adds: 'You can't be MAGA if you're anti Israel,' and 'And it is totally fine to say to people who wish to destroy our civilization, no, your values suck, and they don't belong here.'

Netanyahu immediately weighed in with prayers about Charlie Kirk just minutes after he was killed. It was eerie. His body was still warm, and Netanyahu was beginning to claim Charlie Kirk's legacy. "Israel requires American Christian, mostly conservative men to fight the war of Armageddon that Netanyahu wants against Iran." Kirk, a conservative asset, was moving away from Netanyahu and privately despised him under Zionist donor pressure. The Grey Zone exposed a secret Hamptons influencer summit. Candace Owens later revealed more. Netanyahu released a video: "I did not kill Charlie Kirk. I never accused him of killing Charlie Kirk." The talk covers DEI funding via the Tikva Fund and a push to buy TikTok to suppress Palestine content, led by Larry Ellison’s network. Antifa designated as a terrorist organization; media consolidation and regional tensions involving Turkey, Syria, Qatar; Egypt’s red line on Gaza, Rafah.

- How did these guys not know this was taking place? The whole country is a fortress. - I've been to that Gaza border. You you cannot go 10 feet without running into a 19 year old with an AR 15 or an automatic machine gun that's an IDF soldier. The whole country is surveilled. - The last nine months, Israel was on the brink of civil war. This judicial stuff, there were hundreds of Israelis taking to the streets because Bibi Netanyahu was basically redefining the Israeli constitution. - Was there a stand down order? Was there a stand down order? Six hours? I don't believe it. - When I took a helicopter ride from Jerusalem to the Gaza border, it's forty five minutes. - They're live streaming the killing of Jews. - Was did somebody in the government say stand down? That is a legitimate, non conspiracy question.

Speaker 0: In February and March 2026, I'll be back on the road in Hull, Gateshead, Derby, and Colchester. 2026 is when they want to cross the line as fast as they can into an AI controlled humanity. We stand up now or we regret it forever. That's four dates. Speaker 0: I recorded an edition of a show for iconic.com called Legacy, relating the content of my books to today. A central concept is what I labeled in the 1990s as problem reaction solution, also known as a false flag. The idea is to create a situation—war, terrorist attack, banking collapse, or something similar—then present the version of the problem you want the public to believe to provoke outrage and urgency. Then you covertly create the problem, evoke a public reaction, and openly offer the solutions you’ve already prepared. Speaker 0: Nine-Eleven is given as a classic example: attack on New York and Washington, blame Arab terrorists, claim Osama bin Laden and the Taliban orchestrated it. The reaction is “do something,” followed by the invasions of Afghanistan and other Middle Eastern countries. In response to Bondi Beach, the point is made that representatives may not truly represent the people, and a global network I call the global cult drives dystopia through digital AI means, operating through governments, intelligence agencies, and militaries worldwide. Even leaders such as presidents or prime ministers may not serve their nations’ people but the global cult’s interests. Speaker 0: One center of this global cult’s operations is Israel, established in 1948 for that purpose. The claim is that leadership claiming to represent Jewish people operates for the global cult rather than Jewish communities, and may even sacrifice Jewish lives to advance its aims through problem reaction solution. The Gaza crisis since October 7 is described as the world’s large-scale trauma, with statements about the Israeli government’s psychopathy and a super psychopathology characterized by a complete lack of empathy and deletion of compassion. The question is whether such leaders can truly have compassion for fellow Jews if they are driven by a broader agenda. Speaker 0: Regarding October 7, the Gaza border fence is described as the world’s most defended border, with sensors so sensitive that even a small animal would be detected. Yet Hamas breached the fence in multiple places, and there were reports of a stand-down by the Israeli defense forces, allowing the cross-border assault and hostage-taking. The outcome, it’s claimed, was used by Netanyahu to justify mass slaughter and destruction in Gaza, with talk of plans to take over land and expel Palestinians. The narrative then shifts to global perception, with some Christian Zionists wavering in support due to Gaza atrocities, and Israel allegedly funding influence campaigns to restore its global image, including money to American politicians and media interests. Speaker 0: When a new attack—Bondi Beach in Australia—occurs, Netanyahu publicly notes a Jewish man disarmed one of the attackers (though a Muslim did so), before retracting. This is presented as part of a pattern: calls to crack down on anti-Semitism, equating anti-Semitism with criticism of Israel and Zionism. The claim is that the only beneficiary is those who use such events to justify censorship and control of information, while the victims, including Jewish people who died or were injured, gain nothing. Speaker 0: The discussion reiterates that mind-control techniques exist and could drive individuals to commit mass violence without full awareness, referencing mind-control concepts like Manchurian candidates. The speaker urges asking “who benefits?” and considering elements of problem reaction solution and false flags in analyzing events, recognizing that appearances of representation do not guarantee genuine representation. For readers interested in more, the speaker directs to their books and content.

- "Charlie Kirk is the pro Zionist guy." - "What if they were listening in to him and he was in communications with people saying, hey. I think I'm gonna go this direction and they knew his intentions or saw this pattern." - "Here's this pro Zionist guy with this incredibly powerful platform that they built, by the way, that Charlie has, thanks to them." - "So if he's gonna take what they gave him and turn it against them, that could literally destroy Israel because the youth is people they're most concerned about." - "We can't let him turn." - "Israel was never my top suspect until, you know, I've spent twenty four hours thinking about it, I'm like, it's not unreasonable. It's not even out of the question in terms of would Israel do this." - "it's in their wheelhouse."

The Middle East has changed significantly in the past 20 years. If Israel were to ethnically cleanse Gaza, it would lead to a war with the region. Iran is not responsible for triggering this conflict, as Qatar funds Hamas, not Iran. Additionally, Qatar also funds Turkey, which holds significant power in the Middle East.

It's late at night. Israel is in a fight for their lives. Our friends in Israel are surrounded by people who would kill them all if they could. I am tired of the word genocide. If Israel wanted to commit genocide, they could. They have the capability to do that. They choose not to. Hamas, they would commit genocide in thirty seconds. They just can't. Israel is our friend. They're the most reliable friend we have in the Mideast. A word of warning, if America pulls the plug on Israel, God will pull the plug on us. October 7 was an effort to destroy the state of Israel, the largest loss of Jewish life since the holocaust. and here we are almost two years later, and Israel's the bad guy.

What's happening in The Middle East, in particular with Gaza right now, we have some more responsibility for both sides in a way because we provide help and funding for both Arab nations and Israel. And so we definitely have a moral responsibility, and especially now today, the weapons being used to kill so many Palestinians are American weapons, and American funds is essentially are being used for this. But there's a political liability, which I think is something that we fail to look at because too often there's so much blowback from our intervention in areas that we shouldn't be involved in. Hamas, if you look at the history, you'll find out that Hamas was encouraged and really started by Israel because they wanted Hamas to counteract Yasser Arafat. And he said, well, that was better then and served his purpose, but we didn't want Hamas to do this. Then we have election, then Hamas becomes dominant, so we have to kill him.

Charlie Kirk openly questioned the story Israel was telling the world about October 7: “Think some questions need to be asked. Was there a stand down order? Six hours? I don't believe it.” The report notes Israel asked Qatar to support Hamas in 2018; Netanyahu sent a secret letter urging Qatar to deliver $30,000,000 a month to Gaza. “Qatar just gifted The United States a $400,000,000 jet.” It cites Jared Moskowitz on foreign influence operations and reports a foreign country signed a $45,000,000 deal with Google to spread propaganda. “Israel.” It mentions “the f 35” and that “Qatar has US Patriot missile batteries.” Mike Johnson reportedly discussed screening candidates for alignment with Israeli policies; when asked, he replied, “no.” “Those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse Israel will be cursed.” Qatar is an ally with a US base; Netanyahu wants forever wars in the Middle East; “they're gonna try to ethnically cleanse Gaza.”

Speaker 0 asserts that Netanyahu was continually helping Hamas to survive. Speaker 1 claims that while Netanyahu was under investigation, he arranged for Hamas to receive $35,000,000 every month from Qatar. Speaker 2 contends that Netanyahu cannot give the money himself because Israel would not give money to Hamas, and banks would not cooperate, so Netanyahu must beg Qatar, a small but very rich country, to provide money to their enemy. Speaker 0 contends that these suitcases of money were given to Hamas at the personal request of Benjamin Netanyahu, and that because the Qatari side knew him from the beginning, they asked him to send their requests in writing because they believed he would lie in the future. Speaker 1 asserts that Netanyahu allowed more than $1,000,000,000 to be transferred to the hands of Hamas because he believed he could control the level of hatred, and states that this notion is nonsense, adding that he cannot control the flames.

I find it hard to believe the story about the recent conflict in Israel. The country is heavily fortified and surveilled, with IDF soldiers everywhere. Israel was on the brink of civil war due to protests against Netanyahu, but now he has an emergency government. I'm not saying Netanyahu knew about the situation, but there are questions to be asked. Was there a stand down order for 6 hours? It's hard to believe that in a country the size of New Jersey, they couldn't respond sooner. The whole country is the IDF, so it's legitimate to question if someone in the government told them to stand down.

"Charlie Kirk openly questioned the story Israel was trying to tell the world about October 7." "Was there a stand down order? Was there a stand down order? Six hours? I don't believe it." "In 2018, Netanyahu himself sent a secret letter to the Qatari leadership." "In that letter, he urged Qatar to deliver $30,000,000 a month to Gaza." "So in May 2025, Netanyahu publicly admitted that since 2018, his government had allowed Qatar to transfer money to Hamas in Gaza, and that was according to his own request." "That policy was approved by the full Israeli security cabinet." "Qatar just gifted The United States a $400,000,000 jet." "a foreign country has just signed a $45,000,000 deal with Google to spread propaganda. It's Israel."

Charlie Kirk was offered an infusion of $150,000,000 by Israel. Netanyahu offered Turning Point USA $150,000,000 for one purpose only, to shill for Israel harder. Turning Point USA has a budget of $140,000,000 and is pro-Israel. Israel offered him a $150,000,000 to be more pro Israel than they were, to be harder in their support for Israel, and in particular, to support regime change in Iran and to support their ethnic cleansing and genocide in Gaza. Charlie Kirk refused the money. I have confirmed that from four people I trust. Candice Owens, a friend of Charlie Kirk, and Max Blumenthal, who purports to have a source, corroborate. After Kirk refused, Netanyahu asked him to visit Jerusalem for a 'reeducation tour,' including the Holocaust Museum, the burned babies, the beheaded babies, and more; he refused that as well. They offered to bribe him and to reeducate him; he refused both offers.

The discussion centers on whether Netanyahu's government is in serious trouble and what recent developments suggest about Israeli politics and the Gaza situation. - Protests and public sentiment in Israel: Proponents point to large weekly protests in Tel Aviv against Netanyahu, noting claims of “massive protests” that have drawn thousands, with some saying a quarter of a million previously. The speakers emphasize that demonstrations before October 7 indicated substantial opposition to Netanyahu, including calls for a commission of inquiry into corruption and judicial overreach. They also acknowledge a shift after October 7, with Netanyahu attempting to build a coalition and currently holding about 65 of 120 seats, suggesting he remains in power. One speaker asserts that protests are used politically, while acknowledging their scale in the center of Israel. - Netanyahu’s political standing and coalition: The speakers describe Netanyahu as facing multiple felony charges related to corruption and note his history of coalition-building with smaller parties. They argue that war and conflict are used domestically to unite the population and distract from corruption allegations. They suggest Netanyahu’s government is the most extreme right-wing in Israel’s history, with two cabinet ministers having felony convictions for anti-Arab hate crimes and holding key security and finance roles. The prognosis offered is that Netanyahu is not likely to be removed from power soon, potentially leading through 2030. - Funds to Hamas via Qatar before October 7: A new report from the Tel Aviv newspaper Idiot “Iranath” states that Israel asked Qatar to increase funds transferred to Hamas in Gaza less than a month before October 7. The claim is that Netanyahu-era officials knew the money would enable Hamas to divert funds to arms and military preparedness, and that Hamas was exploiting Qatar’s civilian aid to strengthen its military capabilities. The discussion emphasizes that Israel funds Hamas indirectly through Qatar, and that nothing entering Gaza happens without Israeli knowledge or approval. - Stand-down orders and the October 7 attack: The conversation discusses Israeli stand-down orders and the protests among IDF soldiers about the events of October 7. There is an assertion that some young women in IDF outposts were put at risk, with questions about what the government knew and whether it allowed certain actions. The speakers describe a view that the Israeli military and political leadership may have been complicit or negligent regarding operations on October 7, including claims about attempted obfuscation of investigations and the Hannibal directive. - CIA, John Kiriakou, and past U.S. behavior: The dialogue references CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou, noting his exposure of the Bush torture program and contrasting U.S. actions with Israeli policies. John Kiriakou comments on his experiences in the Middle East, including an anecdote about discussions in Riyadh in 1991 regarding Gaza’s infrastructure, and he asserts that Netanyahu’s government is deeply integrated with actions surrounding Hamas. - Prospects for accountability and investigations: The speakers express strong doubt about a credible investigation into October 7, arguing that Israel is in “survival mode” and that Netanyahu will not be imprisoned. They describe proposed commission arrangements as potentially whitewashing, with Netanyahu seeking to appoint some members himself, and they predict that the investigation is unlikely to be thorough or independent. - Summary stance: The discussion presents Netanyahu as politically resilient despite corruption charges, with a broad right-wing coalition and ongoing protests. It underscores the interconnections between Israeli funding structures for Hamas through Qatar, the alleged stand-downs surrounding October 7, and perceived obstacles to a transparent, independent accountability process.

Speaker asserts that 'Israel killed Charlie Kirk' and rejects influencer denials. They claim a plane 'left the airport... for forty five minutes' and then headed away, 'owned it? A big time rich Jewish donor.' Benjamin Netanyahu is described as nervous, with 'No. No. We didn't do this.' It was 'the Islamist, the extremist, just like he did nine eleven.' They add 'Guess who did nine eleven?' Benjamin Netanyahu. The shooter claim: 'the rifle was in his pants' and 'the scope back on' after; 'the gun they planted... was not the gun' and 'the scope was mounted too far back to even shoot it.' They call the shooter a 'professional shooter' hired by Israel at '140 yards.' 'Candice Owens said that on her show.' The speaker argues Kirk was waking up to these things and was afraid Israel would kill him, and they did.

Donald Trump was working to bring peace between Iran and Israel, and Israel didn’t want that at all. They tried to murder the negotiators in that round of peace talks from Hamas in Doha, and they tried to tell the world that Trump signed off on this, that Trump knew, totally false. Trump did not know. Not only did they do this, they tried to implicate Trump in it. A couple of weeks later he responded with an executive order that I’m going to read verbatim because it’s bet not one in a hundred people knows this even happened. This was in September: he signed an executive order called the Assuring the Security of the State of Qatar. The order states: The United States and the State of Qatar have been bound together by close cooperation, shared interests, and the close relationship between our armed forces. The State of Qatar has hosted The United States forces, enabled critical security operations, and stood as a steadfast ally in pursuit of peace, stability, and prosperity both in The Middle East and abroad, including as a mediator that has assisted The United States attempts to resolve significant regional and global conflicts. Listen: In recognition of this history and in light of the continuing threats to the state of Qatar posed by foreign aggression, it is the policy of The US to guarantee the security and territorial integrity of the state of Qatar against external attack. The United States shall regard any armed attack on the territory sovereignty or critical infrastructure of the state of Qatar as a threat to the peace and security of The United States. Oh, wait a second. What was the last act of foreign aggression against Qatar? What happened that exact same month? It was a bombing by Israel. So Israel bombs Qatar and Donald Trump issues an executive order saying if you do that again, reading by the language here, we’re going to war with you. Donald Trump took the side of Qatar over and above Israel and told Israel, and who knows if he’d actually do it, it’s in the executive order, If you do this again, that’s tantamount to an attack on us. That’s a security guarantee. Keep that in mind because there are a lot of Trump voters who are upset about nine eleven; the residue was still in their mouth. That part of the world did it to us. Islam did it to us. And anyone who wants to have a normal relationship with an Islamic country is probably pro Al Qaeda. I get it. I know those feelings. Had them. But here Donald Trump, the guy that you voted for taking Qatar’s side against Israel. Why is that? Because Donald Trump is a secret Islamist? No. Because Qatar is a lot better for The United States than Israel has been.

Charlie Kirk was offered an infusion of $150,000,000 by Israel to double Turning Point USA's budget; Turning Point USA has an annual budget of a $140,000,000. Netanyahu offered Turning Point $150,000,000 for one purpose and one purpose only, to shill for Israel harder. Israel offered him a $150,000,000 to be more pro Israel than they already were, to be harder in their support for Israel, and in particular, to support regime change in Iran and to support their ethnic cleansing and genocide in Gaza. Charlie Kirk refused the money. I have independently confirmed this by four people in the know; Candice Owens, a friend of Charlie Kirk; Max Blumenthal who purports to have a source. After Kirk refused, Netanyahu asked if he would come visit Jerusalem and give him the reeducation tour, the Holocaust Museum, the burned babies, the beheaded babies, the one Elon Musk took, the one our speaker of the house took; he refused that as well. They offered to bribe him. They tried to reeducate him. He refused both offers.

Over at the Patriot Prayer Network did a nice little compilation of my interview with Tim Pool... this literally twenty minute compilation which would blow your mind. Right now, Gen Z support for Israel is 24%. Charlie Kirk has been holding meetings to convince Gen Z influencers to support Israel. In 2018, Netanyahu himself sent a secret letter to the Qatari leadership. In that letter, he urged Qatar to deliver $30,000,000 a month to Gaza. So in May 2025, Netanyahu publicly admitted that since 2018, his government had allowed Qatar to transfer money to Hamas in Gaza, and that was according to his own request. That policy was approved by the full Israeli security cabinet. So if you believe Netanyahu himself, he went from asking Qatar to send money to Hamas to bombing Qatar for not extraditing Hamas. But the fact is now Bibi and the Israeli hard right government has a mandate I gotta be careful the way I say this. To they're gonna try to ethnically cleanse Gaza. Yep. I mean, that that's and I'm I don't use that term lightly. Israel is losing support at a tremendous rate among the young generation. Ackman ... had this meeting to basically bully Charlie Kirk into submission. Charlie Kirk walked away, refused offers of funding and also refused the offer to travel to Israel and meet with Netanyahu. From Aramov, he says Turkey took out Charlie because he spoke against Islam. Israel killed their greatest advocate among Gen Z.

Claim: Charlie Kirk was offered an infusion of $150,000,000 by Israel to double Turning Point USA's budget (TPUSA annual budget $140,000,000). The offer was 'for one purpose and one purpose only to shill for Israel harder,' specifically to 'support regime change in Iran and to support their ethnic cleansing and genocide in Gaza.' Kirk allegedly refused the money. Four trusted sources—Candice Owens and Max Blumenthal among them—report the offer, with others independently confirming. After the rejection, Netanyahu allegedly asked him to visit Jerusalem for a 'reeducation tour,' including 'the Holocaust Museum, the burned babies, the beheaded babies,' 'the one that Elon Musk took, the one that our speaker of the house took,' anyone that's ever criticized Israel has been subjected to; Kirk refused that as well. They offered to bribe him. They tried to reeducate him. He refused both offers.

Speaker 0 opens with "we wanna see the maniacs of Hamas be defeated" and notes "Israel, bombed Qatar, which houses a lot of Hamas officials," asking "What happened here? ... Will this potentially endanger America's own interest in The Middle East?" He contrasts Israel's aims with "unconditional surrender" and asks, "Is that what Israel is aiming for here?" He wonders what "success look[s] like" in Gaza after about twenty-three months and what could have been done differently "on the PR front" or "conduct front." A claim heard is "Israel is committing genocide." The discussion touches on media skepticism, accusations that Israel wants to "ethnically cleanse," and asks for a five-year outlook. The remark "you can't be MAGA if you're anti Israel" prompts Ben Shapiro's response: "And it is totally fine to say to people who wish to destroy our civilization, no, your values suck, and they don't belong here."

Speaker 0 asserts that “What happened in October 7 was an Israeli setup,” and questions whether Benjamin Netanyahu deliberately boosted Hamas to prevent a Palestinian state. The question is framed as a direct challenge: “Yeah. Sure. He deliberately and systematically even even told this on record. Whoever wants to avoid the threat of a two state solution has to support my policy of paying protection money to the Hamas.” The removal of ambiguity is emphasized by the speaker’s phrasing that this was done “with the permission of our prime minister” and involved letting Qatar transfer a huge amount of money in cash, “probably more than $1,400,000,000,” with the claimed effect of increasing Hamas’s power. Speaker 0 then shifts to interrogate a separate line of inquiry, asking whether there was a “stand down order,” repeating the question: “Was there a stand down order? Six hours? I don’t believe it.” The speaker emphasizes realism by labeling the question as legitimate and non-conspiratorial: “Was did somebody in the government say stand down? That is a legitimate non conspiracy question.” The closing remark asserts a collective identity and responsibility: “The whole country is the IDF. The whole country is.”

The speaker condemns Ian Carroll for making videos that claim Israel is behind conspiracies about Red Lobster, Applebee's, and Burger King, and for a live stream asking, “Where are you Nick? … Why are you with them?” He asks where the evidence is and notes the tendency to attribute almost every event to Israel, stating, “the heuristic seems to be Israel is behind literally everything,” past and future, which he calls ridiculous. He points to a September 7 tweet where Carroll said Charlie Kirk is “working for the Jews that killed Jesus,” and contrasts it with Carroll’s certainty on September 11 that Israel killed him to silence him, questioning what changed in those four days and suggesting Carroll may have ESP or telepathy. He accuses Carroll of grifting, intellectual laziness, and dishonesty, and refuses to be pulled into blaming Israel for killing the number one Israel defender in America. The speaker asserts personal history and credibility, saying, “I’ve been over here. I was at Charlottesville” in 2017, and that in 2019 he led the Gruyper war against Charlie Kirk, labeling Kirk as an “Israel shill.” He claims that from Turning Point’s founding in 2012 to today, the organization has been “owned by Israel and served Israel.” He recounts a June text in which Charlie Kirk told Dinesh D’Souza, “Nick Fuentes is vermin,” and notes the ongoing fight against him for six years, including Kirk’s August statement calling him “anti Semitic garbage” and his refusal to debate. The speaker describes Charlie Kirk’s inner circle and media connections: Kirk’s right-hand man Andrew Colvin comes from Salem Media, a Christian Zionist outlet aligned with Israel, with Melissa Strait having connections to Salem and Prager University and IDF unit 12082. He notes Colvin led a “struggle session about Israel” after a Turning Point SAS conference in July. He claims that when Israel bombed Qatar in contravention of Trump’s foreign policy, Kirk invited Ben Shapiro to present Israel’s position, while Kirk acted as moderator, and on the day Kirk “was shot,” he prepared to defend Israel with his rabbi at Provo as he drafted a book on the Jewish Sabbath. The speaker emphasizes that the person accused of fighting Israel was “the guy that was murdered,” and expresses pity for those who would believe that. He asserts, “I’m right here where I’ve always been, following the facts, following the money, looking at the information,” claiming to be light years ahead of Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson, and rejecting the idea that their ideology is about Netanyahu or Israel’s foreign policy, concluding, “No, sorry. Absolutely not. That’s totally ridiculous.”