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Ukraine has biological research facilities that concern us. We are worried that Russian forces may try to control them. Therefore, we are collaborating with Ukraine on how to prevent Russian forces from gaining control of any of the research materials if they get close.

Many of the U.S.-funded administrations’ biolabs conducted or continue to conduct research with dangerous pathogens, including so-called gain-of-function experiments, with virtually no control or oversight. Speaker 1 cites new evidence that biolabs on Ukrainian territory were funded and rebuilt using federal budget funds from the United States. This is said to be reflected in a published press release by the U.S. Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which includes a map of biolabs in Ukraine. The documents list facilities in Kharkiv, Dnepropetrovsk, Lviv, Vinnytsia, Ternopil, Chernihiv, and “Addes.” Speaker 1 emphasizes that studies of plague agents, anthrax, tularemia, and Marburg and Ebola fevers were conducted there. Speaker 1 also states that previously identified locations of deployment and directions of research activity by the Russian Ministry of Defense and the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs are currently confirmed by materials from U.S. national intelligence. According to Speaker 1, the legal basis for organizing these studies was a cooperation agreement on preventing the spread of pathogens, technologies, and knowledge that could be used in the development of biological weapons—dated 2005—between the U.S. military department and the Ministry of Health of Ukraine. Speaker 1 adds that coordination of the work was carried out by the Office for Threat Reduction of the U.S. Department of Defense, and that the research was carried out under special secrecy, with restrictions on Ukrainian specialists’ access to information and premises.

The Russian Ministry of Defense has accused the United States of violating the Bioweapons Convention by using dual-use research to create bioweapons under the guise of defensive research. They claim that the US Democrat Party, including Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and George Soros, were the main ideologists behind this plot. The allegations state that US government entities, non-government organizations, and big pharma companies were involved in a money laundering scheme to fund bio labs in Ukraine. The objective was to develop biological weapons and create pharmaceuticals for profit. Russia believes that these actions have the potential to escalate into World War III if not resolved.

The discussion centers on U.S. involvement in biological research in Ukraine amidst accusations from Russia. A U.S. official claimed that any biological or chemical weapon incidents would be attributed to Russia, which has been accused of using disinformation tactics. The conversation reveals that the U.S. has funded biological laboratories in Ukraine, which study dangerous pathogens. Despite denials from U.S. officials about developing biological weapons, there are concerns about the security of these materials in a conflict zone. The Chinese government has called for inspections of these facilities, highlighting international concerns about biological safety. The need for transparency and accountability regarding U.S. actions in Ukraine is emphasized, as the situation remains precarious.

In Ukraine, there were military biological programs experimenting with deadly pathogens like coronavirus, anthrax, cholera, and African pig plague. They are now trying to hide the evidence, but we believe they were creating components for a biological weapon. This poses a direct threat to Russia's safety. Ukraine and their US supporters rejected these claims, but their actions were bold and brazen.

Ukraine is accused of conducting military biological programs near the Russian border. They allegedly experimented with dangerous pathogens like coronavirus, anthrax, cholera, and African pig plague. Russia believes this poses a direct threat to their safety. Ukraine and their US allies have denied these claims, but Russia remains convinced and accuses them of trying to cover up the evidence.

The speaker discusses Suellen Nicholson, who is allegedly receiving samples from Ukrainian biological weapons factories. Suellen is described as an experienced leader in laboratory and project management, with over 30 years of serology experience. The speaker questions the legitimacy of Suellen's involvement and raises concerns about the situation. They mention that Russian military has targeted these facilities and captured hidden documents. The Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs is expected to make an announcement soon. The Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs has demanded answers, while the mainstream media is accused of trying to deny the truth.

Four days ago, I wouldn't have believed the Biden administration was funding secret biolabs in Ukraine, but Under Secretary of State Nuland confirmed their existence during a Senate hearing. Despite fact-checks dismissing it as Russian disinformation, these labs are real, and Nuland expressed concern about their contents falling into Russian hands. The Russian Defense Ministry claimed the labs were developing military biological programs with US funding, possibly involving deadly pathogens like plague and anthrax. The US embassy in Ukraine has a web page explaining that American and Ukrainian scientists have worked on a whole bunch of different experiments like this. The US government is downplaying the situation, with the Pentagon calling Russian accusations "absurd."

Speaker 0 argues that the war is really about dark weapons, especially bioweapons, and focuses on labs near the Russian border that have moved from about 11 labs a decade ago to 30. He traces this back to President Obama, then Senator Obama in 2005, suggesting a long-running history that underpins current events. He contends there is substantial history to unpack and believes the investigation is worthwhile for understanding the situation. He notes that Gareth has long discussed American bio labs in Ukraine and acknowledges that people ridiculed that view in the past. He asks Gareth how he feels now that the topic is suddenly front and center in the news, suggesting a sense of vindication that the broader group knowledge is being disseminated. He claims to have an example in Andrew Weber, who worked with the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, showing Obama, when he was a young senator in 2005, a vial of anthrax in Kyiv at a bio lab. Speaker 0 states that the claim there are no bioweapons in Ukraine is hard to believe, and asserts that people would not look at the evidence. He says it took a war for people to realize the situation and compares it to a Cuban missile crisis for Putin, arguing that as weapons get closer, the plans become more concrete and closer to execution. He emphasizes the proximity of weapons and labs to Russia’s border as a critical element, implying that the risk profile has increased over time. He frames the current conflict as one where the existence and proximity of bioweapons labs are central, and he uses the example of a 2005 scene involving Obama and a vial of anthrax to illustrate what he views as established evidence. Overall, he presents a narrative that the war reflects long-standing concerns about bioweapons labs in Ukraine and their strategic implications, culminating in a perception shift only after war began.

Russian state media has been circulating a false story since 2015, claiming that America is running facilities in Ukraine and Georgia that caused deadly disease outbreaks. These claims were debunked in 2020, with the United States clarifying that the facilities are for vaccine development and reporting outbreaks caused by dangerous pathogens. However, the story resurfaced recently, with the Russian foreign ministry and social media platforms sharing it widely. It has even gained attention in the United States, with figures like conspiracy theorist Stu Peters and platforms like Infowars promoting it. Russia's false narrative on American biolabs in Ukraine continues to spread.

The speakers discuss the possibility of the COVID-19 virus originating from a lab leak rather than bats. Speaker 1 brings up American labs in Ukraine and questions their purpose. Speaker 2 mentions that Ukraine has biological research facilities, which they are concerned about falling into the hands of Russian forces. Speaker 1 suggests that the existence of these labs was buried and wonders if they were involved in creating anthrax or other unknown substances. Speaker 0 admits to not having knowledge about this topic.

The Russian Ministry of Defense has made serious allegations against the US regarding the production of biological weapons in Ukraine. They claim that the US violated the Bioweapons Convention by using dual-use research to create bioweapons under the guise of defensive research. Russia also accuses the US of failing to implement measures to detect and regulate bioweapon production. The allegations involve government entities, non-government organizations, and big pharma companies. The Russian military claims that the US Democrat Party, including Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and George Soros, were the main ideologists behind this plot. They allege that money was funneled through non-government organizations to bio labs in Ukraine, which created biological weapons. These weapons were then used by big pharma companies to develop vaccines and treatments, ensuring profits and political power for the US Democrat Party. The allegations have been submitted to the UN.

The U.S. intelligence community has officially opened an investigation into more than 120 U.S. taxpayer-funded biological laboratories operating overseas, including 40 in Ukraine. Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard says the probe aims to identify where the labs are located, what pathogens they contain, and what research is being conducted. Gabbard has previously accused officials of misleading the public about the existence and scope of U.S.-backed bio labs overseas, including claims tying the issue to the Biden administration and figures such as Anthony Fauci. The discussion references claims made during the Biden administration by Victoria Nuland, who admitted bio labs are in Ukraine and funded by the United States but said they were only for defensive research, while dismissing accusations as Russian disinformation. Questions are raised about claims of Russian findings, including reported COVID vaccine samples in labs during Russia’s takeover of territory, and claims of AIDS research on Ukrainian military personnel. Senator asks Ukraine-specific questions about chemical or biological weapons and whether there is doubt that any biological or chemical incident in Ukraine would be carried out by Russians. Ukraine is described as having biological research facilities, with concern that Russian troops may seek control of research materials, and statements that efforts are underway with Ukrainians to prevent research materials from falling into Russian hands. The exchange asserts that Russian propaganda blames Ukrainians for plots involving biological weapons and coordination with NATO, and that it is “classic Russian technique to blame on the other guy what they’re planning to do themselves.” Doctor Merrill Nass, a biological warfare epidemiologist and author, says it is notable that the government acknowledges such facilities, including about 40 in Ukraine and over 100 elsewhere, and adds that many countries have studied biological weapons agents, treatments, and vaccines since at least World War II. Nass argues that the law prohibits developing biological weapons and references the Biological Weapons Convention, noting that the treaty has no enforcement mechanism, and that there is no way to send teams to investigate other countries’ labs. He suggests there have been roadblocks to obtaining details, and that labs outside the United States reduce oversight. The conversation also discusses the idea of incentives and loopholes: Nass states that the U.S. has no legal control over private labs and that, in the U.S., it is possible to build high-containment laboratories and have scientists create whatever they like without a prohibition. Nass describes historical U.S. development and stockpiling of biological weapons agents, mentions evasion of antibiotics and vaccines, and argues that international restrictions do not prevent potential development efforts elsewhere. Nass says that specific biological weapon use is not known to have occurred within the United States except that “the potential exception of COVID,” asserting the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine should never have been developed “the way it was developed for COVID” because it included “the most toxic, problematic parts” of the virus. He also recalls work as a consultant to the Cuban Ministry of Health in 1993 regarding illness attributed to cyanide poisoning, describes reports that the CIA sent African swine fever virus to Cuba through Panama to dissidents, and notes that Cuba reportedly had to kill half a million pigs due to that outbreak. When asked whether researchers can be controlled and whether answers will emerge about roughly 120 labs, Nass says accountability and oversight are limited, citing a senate hearing where senators said the intelligence community is not under anyone’s control and is not accountable. He adds that if answers cannot be obtained in the U.S., they would not likely be obtained in other countries. Nass argues that lab-produced viruses could be distinguished from naturally occurring ones by analyzing genomes, describing prior work on reconstructing an epidemic and claiming that attention to whether viral genomes are natural or unnatural will enable future differentiation. He notes that he believes the risk of severe consequences reduces the likelihood of use. The segment ends with plans to bring Nass back as the investigation unfolds.

The Russian Ministry of Defense has accused the United States of violating the Bioweapons Convention by using dual-use research to create bioweapons under the guise of defensive research. They claim that the US Democrat Party, including Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and George Soros, were the main ideologists behind this plot. The allegations state that the US government funneled money through non-government organizations to bio labs in Ukraine, which then created biological weapons. These weapons were sent to big pharmaceutical companies to develop vaccines and treatments, ensuring profits for both parties. Russia claims that the US Democrat Party and big pharma had a partnership to maintain power and enrich themselves. The allegations have been submitted to the UN.

The speaker accuses Russia of engaging in disinformation campaigns and planning false flag operations in Eastern Ukraine. When asked for evidence, the speaker refers to declassified intelligence information but does not provide specifics. The speaker emphasizes the need to deter Russia from carrying out these actions and states that making the information public serves this purpose. The other person questions the lack of concrete evidence and expresses skepticism. The speaker defends the credibility of the US government and stresses the importance of protecting sensitive sources and methods in declassifying information.

Ukraine has biological research facilities that they are concerned Russian forces may try to gain control of. They are working with Ukraine to prevent any research materials from falling into Russian hands. Russian propaganda groups are spreading information about a Ukrainian plot to release biological weapons, but there is no doubt in the speaker's mind that if there is an incident, it would be the Russians behind it. The Russians have a history of blaming others for their own plans.

Ukraine has biological research facilities that are at risk of being seized by Russian troops. We are collaborating with Ukraine to ensure that these research materials do not fall into Russian hands as they advance.

The speaker discusses the lack of transparency and safety concerns surrounding the operation of a biological laboratory in Ukraine, which is reportedly funded by the US Department of Defense. The speaker highlights the previous outbreaks caused by similar US military overseas biological experiments, leading to protests and suspicions from multiple countries. The international community is deeply concerned about this laboratory, and questions remain about the true intentions and detailed information of these projects. The speaker urges the US to be transparent, responsible, and address the concerns of the international community by fulfilling its obligations under the biological weapons convention and providing comprehensive explanations regarding the military activities involving biological agents both inside and outside its borders.

Russia is consistently portrayed as acting against American interests, particularly with its alliance with China and its invasion of Ukraine. This action, while wrong, was driven by Russia's concern over Ukraine potentially joining NATO and becoming a satellite of the United States with American weapons. The speaker argues that Ukraine's government isn't fully sovereign, alleging it was installed by a CIA coup. They highlight that during peace talks in Istanbul, a potential agreement was disrupted by the US, leading to further devastation and loss of life in Ukraine. The speaker questions why the U.S. is at war with Russia.

The Chinese and us are both developing ethnic bioweapons, with labs in Ukraine collecting Russian and Chinese DNA to target people by race.

Russia released evidence linking Hunter Biden's investment fund to funding Ukrainian biolabs, where untested drugs were allegedly used on soldiers. The US is said to conduct such activities abroad due to legal restrictions at home. Ukraine's labs receive US funding for research on pathogens, but they are owned and operated by Ukraine and are part of a program to prevent deadly outbreaks. (Translation: Russia claims Hunter Biden's fund financed Ukrainian biolabs where untested drugs were used on soldiers. US conducts such activities abroad due to legal restrictions. Ukrainian labs receive US funding for pathogen research as part of outbreak prevention program.)

After months of searching through intelligence community holdings and files, Speaker 1 is releasing “new evidence” that the US government has funded more than 120 biolabs in over 30 countries, including locations such as Ukraine. Speaker 1 says the intelligence community previously warned that a US-funded biolab in Ukraine likely housed dangerous pathogens and remained vulnerable to longstanding threats of Russian attack, seizure, or damage. Speaker 1 also says evidence about the full existence and funding of these laboratories had been knowingly withheld from “the American people.” Speaker 1 claims many US government-funded biolabs have engaged in research using hazardous and highly contagious pathogens, and in some cases included dangerous gain-of-function research, with “very little visibility or oversight.” Speaker 1 states that President Trump “clearly understands” the threat posed by dangerous gain-of-function research and took action by signing an executive order on May 25, 2025 to end federal funding of gain-of-function research around the world. Speaker 1 further says that, at ODNI, they issued new guidance directing increased collection on overseas laboratories and facilities, and that increased collection is already producing new details, including clinical trials underway at these facilities that are raising “significant ethical, financial, and security concerns” about the supposed public health initiatives and US national security. Speaker 1 says politicians and “so-called health professionals like Dr. Fauci,” along with entities within the Biden administration’s national security team, “lied repeatedly” about the existence of US-funded and supported biolabs, and threatened those who attempted to expose the truth. Speaker 1 characterizes the release as breaking new ground because information about the existence, history, locations, and funding of the US-funded biolabs had been intentionally covered up by powerful people who claimed the biolabs didn’t exist. Speaker 1 adds that anyone who says otherwise is accused of being foreign assets and traitors to America. Speaker 1 concludes by saying ODNI and Speaker 1 will continue working with partners across the US government to identify exactly where these labs are and what pathogens they contain to end dangerous gain-of-function research that threatens the health and well-being of the American people and people around the world.

The speaker questions the portrayal of Ukraine as good and Russia as bad, mentioning US bioweapon labs in Ukraine. They find it odd that Ukraine's president is a former comedian. They suggest that President Biden is not in charge, and the US is run by revenge-seeking misfits.

Ukraine has biological research facilities that we are concerned Russian forces may try to control. We are collaborating with the Ukrainians to secure these research materials and prevent them from falling into Russian hands.

Ukraine possesses biological research facilities that are currently a cause for concern. There is a possibility that Russian troops may attempt to gain control of these facilities. To prevent any research materials from falling into Russian hands, we are collaborating with Ukraine on strategies to safeguard them.