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The speaker claims the U.S. is managing its measles epidemic better than other countries, citing approximately 842 cases compared to Canada's similar number with one-eighth the population, and Europe's ten times higher figure. The speaker states that U.S. measles cases have plateaued. The speaker identifies the Mennonite population in Texas as particularly afflicted due to religious objections to the MMR vaccine, which they believe contains aborted fetus debris and DNA particles. The speaker criticizes the CDC's focus on vaccination as the sole solution, asserting that various treatments exist for those who contract measles. The speaker advocates for compassionate treatment and the development of effective treatment protocols, which they claim the CDC is currently working on.

The speakers discuss the presence of various substances in childhood vaccines. They mention that some vaccines contain monkey kidney cells, bovine serum, guinea pig cell cultures, cow's milk, egg protein, gelatin from pigs, and human albumin. They also mention the use of MRC5 and WI38 human diploid cells in vaccine production. The speakers touch on the fragmentation of human DNA in vaccines and the safety studies conducted. They discuss a study involving the harvesting of tissues from aborted fetuses for vaccine development. The inclusion of fetal tissue in vaccines is mentioned as an objection by some individuals. The conversation concludes with a mention of a pig virus found in a rotavirus vaccine and a discussion on religious objections to vaccines.

The speaker asserts that the MMR and MMR V vaccines have been linked to two thousand six hundred percent more deaths than measles infection since 1995. The claim is that for the past thirty years, the MMR shots have killed far more children than measles, and that hundreds of infants and toddlers died after these shots, often from SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome), cardiac arrest, seizures, and encephalitis. The speaker emphasizes that these shots are killing some of these children, with most deaths occurring within about two weeks after the shot, and forty percent dying within one week. The speaker notes that the temporality checks out and that most of these deaths occurred at ages one to one and a half, right when they receive the MMR shots. The speaker reports that twenty-five percent of these deaths were classified as sudden infant death syndrome. The speaker describes babies dying in their sleep as a result of these shots and calls the situation absolutely disturbing and particular in terms of the causes of death. In summary, the speaker states that all of this combined in the study shows unequivocally that these shots are deadly, and concludes that the MMR and MMRV shots should not be given anymore. The suggestion is to split them up if parents still want them, rather than administering the full combination.

The speakers discuss the presence of animal-derived components in vaccines, such as monkey kidney cells, pig viruses, and cow serum. They mention the use of human cells like MRC-5 and WI-38 in vaccine production, highlighting concerns about human DNA fragments. The conversation also touches on the controversial use of aborted fetal tissue in vaccine development, with one speaker expressing support for vaccination despite objections based on religious beliefs. The discussion ends with a debate on religious objections to vaccines and the speaker's atheistic views.

Opponents claim that in every dose of an MMR shot, there are millions of pieces from the cultured cell line and aborted fetus in every injection, citing the CDC vaccine excipient list showing MRC5 and WI38 as cultural cell lines from aborted fetuses used to grow viruses. The discussion explains that viruses must grow in cells and are grown on a cellular substrate, with rubella virus grown on these cell lines. The other speaker asks where aborted fetuses come from; the response says cells must be alive and mentions a deposition of Dr. Stanley Plotkin (nine hours) available on icanthhighwire.com. It describes a study with over 70 fetuses older than three months past the first trimester, whose tissues were cut into cubes (tongue, lung, liver) to culture viruses to see which part best supports growth; the lung tissue was used. The conversation notes discomfort and discusses religious beliefs about vaccination.

During cross-examination, Speaker 1 describes fetal tissue work: the Wistar Institute study involving 76 fetuses, all three months or older when aborted and normally developed. Tissues were harvested by coworkers, cut up, and cultured, including pituitary gland, lung, skin, kidney, spleen, and heart (tongue probably). In his career, he says he worked with “quite a few” fetuses, but cannot recall exact numbers. He notes objections to using aborted fetal tissue in vaccines and cites that “The Catholic Church has actually issued a document on that which says that individuals who need the vaccine should receive the vaccines regardless of the fact, and that I I think it implies that I am the individual who will go to hell because of the use of aborted tissues, which I am glad.” Regarding religion, he says “Vaccination is always under attack by religious zealots who believe that the will of God includes death and disease?” and answers “Yes” and “Are you an atheist? Yes.”

The conversation discusses the presence of animal-derived components in vaccines, such as monkey kidney cells, pig virus, and cow serum. It also mentions human-derived ingredients like MRC-5 cells and WI-38 cells. The debate touches on the use of fetal tissue in vaccine development, religious objections to vaccines, and the speaker's atheistic beliefs. The speaker received diphtheria vaccine in childhood.

Between 1900 and the introduction of the measles vaccine in 1963, the measles mortality rate in America declined by over 98%. This decline had nothing to do with vaccines because there was no measles vaccine at the time. Public health authorities should take credit for this due to improved nutrition, sanitation, clean water, and quarantine practices. In the years before the vaccine, around 400 Americans a year died of measles, which was one in 500,000 Americans. The mortality rate was already declining when the measles vaccine was introduced in 1963. It can be debated how much of the further decline is attributable to the vaccine versus continued public health efforts. Public health authorities today claim the measles vaccine caused the decline in mortality, without mentioning the other factors.

The speaker claims the U.S. is managing its measles epidemic better than other countries, citing approximately 842 cases compared to Canada's similar number with one-eighth the population, and Europe's ten times higher figures. The speaker notes that the rate of measles growth in the U.S. has plateaued. They attribute a high affliction rate among Mennonites in Texas to religious objections to the MMR vaccine, due to its alleged content of aborted fetus debris and DNA particles. The speaker criticizes the CDC's focus solely on vaccination, asserting that treatments exist for measles. They advocate for compassionate treatment and the development of treatment protocols, which they claim the CDC is currently working on.

The speaker is questioned about their work with vaccines and the use of fetuses. They confirm being an author of an article that involved a study at the Wistar Institute using 76 fetuses. The fetuses were 3 months or older and were normally developed. Various organs were harvested from the fetuses, including the pituitary gland, lung, skin, kidney, spleen, heart, and possibly the tongue. When asked about the total number of fetuses they have worked with, the speaker cannot provide an exact number but mentions working with quite a few. They are aware of objections to the use of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, but state that individuals who need vaccines should receive them regardless of this issue. The speaker also expresses disagreement with religious beliefs that oppose vaccination.

Vaccines eradicated smallpox and polio. The speaker was taught that vaccines are safe, effective, and necessary, and there's no reason to question it. Medical school rotations reinforced that vaccines are safe and effective, and the speaker was told to ignore the inserts because that's lawyer jargon. Medical school provided no education about vaccine contents, safety records, informed consent, or the vaccine injury compensation program. The speaker assumed the science was settled and didn't question vaccines.

Speaker 1 says they feel they have “unlocked a new level of awakening” and that they no longer fear being labeled anti-vax. They claim “the truth is out there,” pointing to vaccine “inserts” that they say show “aborted fetuses” in vaccine ingredient lists, along with “other animal cells.” Speaker 1 says they watched a “two hour lecture” that “broke it down” in a “factual” way by timeline and “connected the dots,” and that they then looked everything up themselves and found “it’s all true.” They describe their conclusion about Roe v. Wade, saying Roe v. Wade “was not meant for women’s rights,” was “not made to protect women and their bodies,” and was instead not intended to give women the opportunity to have an abortion “if they need it.” They also say “the propaganda is real,” that it “all makes sense,” and that it is “disgusting” to use “aborted fetuses” to make vaccines. Speaker 1 then says that anyone who thinks otherwise, “I don’t care anymore,” and ends by saying “yes I’m anti-vaccine.” Speaker 0 responds by stating that “unfortunately what this nurse is saying is true.” Speaker 0 claims that vaccines “currently used in the U.S.” are “produced using human cells,” and that these cell lines were “originally derived from abortions.” They add that this began “in the 1960s,” and that “the viruses are grown in these cells and purified” with “trace DNA” that “may remain in very small minute amounts.” Speaker 0 says this is “why there is very good cause for religious exemptions for a lot of vaccines” and states that major religious bodies, including “the Vatican,” addressed these “moral concerns.” Speaker 0 lists examples of vaccines they say still use these cell lines: “the MMR vaccine,” “the chickenpox vaccine,” “hepatitis A,” and “rabies.” They also say “some of the COVID-19 vaccines also use it.” Speaker 0 emphasizes that religious exemptions were “so important,” adding that “some Democrat states” tried to deny them. Speaker 0 concludes by saying that while “a lot of vaccines do not use them,” “a lot of vaccines do use them,” and therefore people should “have to be very careful if this is something that you’re worried about.”

Vaccines may work for some in preventing diseases like measles, but they can also cause problems. Informed consent is important, so people should know all the possibilities, without influence from incentivized doctors. Some doctors may receive kickbacks for administering the full vaccine schedule. The number of vaccines is high; for example, 72 doses of 17 vaccines between birth and age 18. Many states mandate children receive 29 doses of nine vaccines to attend kindergarten, and multiple doses of 13 vaccines for daycare enrollment. The Hepatitis B vaccine, given on day one, is questioned, especially since it's for a sexually transmitted disease. The COVID vaccine is also considered unnecessary. Tetanus was misrepresented as dangerous. It is claimed that tetanus is not dangerous, and can be prevented by washing out an open wound.

A measles outbreak in a largely unvaccinated Mennonite community in West Texas, the state's largest in nearly 30 years, has sparked debate about vaccine hesitancy and religious freedom. While Mennonites don't have standard teachings on vaccines, many prefer traditional healing methods, influenced by concerns about vaccine injuries. Some community members feel targeted, viewing the outbreak's timing as suspicious. Amidst the outbreak, two unvaccinated children died, but some doctors claim the deaths were due to bacterial pneumonia, not measles itself, potentially exacerbated by inappropriate antibiotic choices. Some doctors noted an unusual drop in oxygen saturation in some patients, similar to COVID-19. Despite challenges, the Mennonite community has shown resilience, relying on faith, community support, and alternative treatments. Some express gratitude for doctors who supported their community during the outbreak.

Speaker 1, a doctor, admits to working with 2 fetuses in their personal work related to vaccines. They confirm being an author of an article that involved 76 fetuses at the Wistar Institute. Various organs, including the pituitary gland, lung, skin, kidney, spleen, heart, and possibly the tongue, were harvested from these fetuses. The doctor cannot recall the exact number of fetuses they have worked with throughout their career but mentions studying them before using them for vaccine development. They are aware of objections to the use of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, including religious concerns. The doctor stands by their statement that vaccinations are often criticized by religious zealots who believe that death and disease are part of God's will.

The speaker discusses various animal-derived ingredients in vaccines, including SV40 from monkeys, pig virus in rotavirus, and calf serum in Kinrix. They mention human components like MRC-5 cells from aborted fetuses and WI-38 cells in MMR vaccines. The speaker defends the use of these ingredients against religious objections, stating vaccination is crucial despite beliefs. They express atheistic views and criticize religious opposition to vaccines. The speaker recalls receiving diphtheria vaccine in childhood.

The speaker examines the package insert for the Merck MMR vaccine, prompted by an article about rising measles cases. The insert indicates the vaccine is for those 12 months and older, contains a live, attenuated virus that can be shed to others, and lists potential adverse events like febrile seizures and thrombocytopenia. Giving the vaccine to pregnant individuals may increase risk of spontaneous abortion, stillbirths, premature delivery, and congenital defects. The rubella component uses WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts, cells from an aborted fetus. The insert states the vaccine hasn't been evaluated for carcinogenic, mutagenic potential, or fertility impairment. Common side effects include fever and rash; less common ones include swelling of the testicles and joint pain. Rare but serious side effects include breathing difficulty, bleeding, bruising, seizures, and severe headache. Fetal bovine serum is also listed as an ingredient. The speaker presents this information for informed consent.

Vaccine ingredient lists are the most important lists parents have never read. Vaccines contain viruses and bacteria that must be cultured and grown. These cultures are grown in various animal cells, including monkey, dog, chicken, rabbit, and mouse cells. Many vaccines are grown with aborted fetal cells. Individuals should consider whether they support the use of aborted baby cells in vaccine manufacturing and their subsequent injection into babies, even if they support abortion in general.

Some people oppose the MMR vaccine due to its use of cultured cell lines from aborted fetuses, specifically MRC-5 and WI-38, which are necessary for growing viruses. These cell lines are derived from aborted fetal tissues that must remain alive for use. A notable deposition by Dr. Stanley Plotkin discusses studies involving healthy fetuses, where body parts were used to determine the best substrate for virus cultivation. This raises ethical concerns for many, particularly those who are against vaccination, as it touches on the moral implications of using fetal tissue in medical research and vaccine development.

Well, the polio vaccine does. Yes, SV40. Semien virus forty. There's a pig virus present in one of the rotavirus vaccines, circovirus. Calf serum is removed before the vaccine is used because you don't want to sensitize the vaccinee to cows. Varicella vaccine was passage in guinea pig cells. Do any vaccines contain egg protein? Yes, influenza. Do any vaccines contain gelatin from pigs? Yes. Do any vaccines contain MRC5 human diploid cells? Yes. Rubella, varicella, hepatitis A. What are MRC5 cells? They are human fibroblast cell strain. They were created by taking fetal tissue and from a particular fetus that was aborted by maternal choice. WI38? Used to, but I don't think anything is made in those cells anymore. Isn't it true that human DNA in vaccines is typically purposely fragmented? Yes. This study involved 74 fetuses. The Catholic church has issued a document on that which says that individuals who need the vaccine should receive the vaccines regardless of the fact. Are you an atheist? Yes. When you were a child, what vaccines did you receive? Diphtheria, well, in childhood I think it was probably only Diphtheria.

The speakers discuss the presence of animal viruses in vaccines, such as SV 40 and circovirus. They also mention the use of animal-derived ingredients like cat serum, guinea pig cell cultures, cow's milk, egg protein, gelatin from pigs, and human albumin. The use of human cell lines, specifically MRC 5 and WI 38, in vaccine production is also mentioned. The discussion touches on the fragmentation of human DNA in vaccines and the safety studies conducted. The speakers mention a study involving the harvesting of tissues from 76 aborted fetuses for vaccine development. The objection to using aborted fetal tissue in vaccines is brought up, with one speaker expressing support for vaccination regardless of religious objections. The conversation ends with a discussion on the speaker's personal vaccination history.

Various organs and tissues were harvested from fetuses, including the pituitary gland, lung, skin, kidney, spleen, heart, and possibly the tongue. The speaker acknowledges objections to the use of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, but cites a document from the Catholic Church stating that individuals should still receive vaccines regardless. When asked about valid religious objections to vaccines, the speaker denies their existence and expresses disdain for religious beliefs, claiming that vaccination is always under attack by religious zealots. The speaker confirms being an atheist and acknowledges that some religious beliefs are inherently unprovable.

The speaker claims that the MMR vaccine contains millions of pieces from cultured cell lines derived from aborted fetuses. They allege the rubella virus is grown on these cell lines. The speaker references a study involving over 70 healthy fetuses aborted specifically for research. According to the speaker, these fetuses were dissected into small pieces, and attempts were made to culture viruses on them to determine the optimal body part for virus growth. The speaker states that some of these abortions occurred past the first trimester.

The speaker discusses the presence of animal viruses in vaccines, such as SV40 and circovirus, as well as ingredients like calf serum, guinea pig cell cultures, and human albumin. They mention the use of human diploid cells in vaccines and the fragmentation of human DNA for safety reasons. The speaker also addresses objections to vaccines containing aborted fetal tissue, stating their support for vaccination despite religious objections. They express atheistic beliefs and criticize religious opposition to vaccination. The speaker recalls receiving the diphtheria vaccine in childhood.

The speaker discusses the organs harvested from fetuses, including the pituitary gland, lung, skin, kidney, spleen, heart, and possibly the tongue. They acknowledge objections to the use of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, but mention that the Catholic church supports vaccination regardless. The speaker does not know if the mother is Catholic and suggests she consult her priest. They express disagreement with religious objections to vaccines and believe that some religious beliefs include accepting death and disease. The speaker identifies as an atheist and acknowledges that some religious beliefs are unprovable.