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- We need to stop trusting the experts. - We were told at the beginning of COVID, don't look at any data yourself. Don't do any investigating yourself. Just trust the experts. - And trusting the experts is not a feature of science. It's not a feature of democracy. It's a feature of religion, and it's a feature of totalitarianism. - In democracies, we have the obligation, and it's one of the burdens of citizenship, to do our own research and make our own determination. - And we're gonna give people gold standard science. We're gonna publish our protocols in advance. - We're going to tell people what we're doing, and then we're gonna use data, and we're gonna publish the peer reviews, which is never published by CDC studies. We're going to publish any time that we can the raw data, and then we're going to require replication of every study, which never happens at NIH now. That's something new that we're bringing in, is that every study will be replicated.

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Free speech is essential for scientific progress and would have led to better outcomes during the pandemic. Taboos in science exist, and the current scientific literature lacks deep and honest inquiry into certain topics, such as the causes of rising autism rates. The aim is to shatter these taboos, enabling honest questioning and answers grounded in truth. During the pandemic, certain statements were taboo, such as acknowledging immunity after recovering from COVID. Under Secretary Kennedy's and President Trump's leadership, the administration aims to eliminate these taboos and promote free speech in science and medicine.

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Speaker 0 argues that the science is very incorrect and very bad science, aside from all the other material Jill Demenov and US Right to Know uncovered. They claim those sources went overboard to disprove something without good data, and that the manipulation and intent to tell a story that is not substantiated are the reasons why they should be retracted. They also state that these people do not have the courage or the decency to retract.

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A speaker states that a large segment of the public feels betrayed by scientists who won't admit fault regarding COVID-19. They want to know why they were lied to and no longer care about lab funding. The speaker asks what the scientific community needs to say about lockdowns, masks, and vaccines to restore trust. Another speaker responds that they were a vocal advocate against lockdowns, mask mandates, vaccine mandates, and the anti-scientific approach of public health during the pandemic. They also believe that scientific institutions should be transparent about their involvement in dangerous research that may have caused the pandemic, referring to the lab leak hypothesis.

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The speaker is working with Jay Bhattacharya and Secretary Kennedy to investigate US-funded gain of function research, including at the Wuhan lab, which they believe may have led to the COVID-19 pandemic. They aim to provide evidence linking this research to the pandemic. The speaker claims Anthony Fauci denied this research under oath and may have sought a preemptive pardon. They argue that gain of function research continues in biolabs worldwide, posing a risk of future pandemics. The speaker faced criticism for warning about US-funded biolabs in Ukraine. The speaker questions why the intelligence community was reluctant to conclude that COVID-19 originated in a lab, contrasting this with instances where they quickly make assumptions without conclusive evidence. They attribute this to the politicization of intelligence, citing the Iraq War as an example of intelligence being used to influence policy.

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Speaker 0 frames the issue as 'the corruption of science' and the 'capture of the agencies' by pharmaceutical industries, stating the goal is to restore integrity and credibility to science. Speaker 1 cites a CDC internal study: 'black boys who got the vaccine on time had a two hundred and sixty percent greater chance of getting an autism diagnosis than children who waited.' He adds that 'The chief chief scientist on that, Doctor. William Thompson, the senior said vaccine safety science at CDC, was ordered to destroy that data. And then they published it without that fact.' Finally, he asserts, 'So, you know that story. And you know of hundreds of stories like that. It happens all the time. We are being lied to by these agencies, and we're gonna change that right now.'

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The discussion centers on the credibility of vaccine safety claims made by various health organizations and the FDA. One speaker argues that vaccines undergo rigorous testing, while the other contends that no vaccine has ever completed a long-term placebo-controlled trial before being licensed. They express distrust in the FDA, citing past issues with drugs like Vioxx and opioids, suggesting that the FDA misled doctors and the public about their safety. The speaker believes that pharmaceutical companies influence these agencies, leading to misinformation about vaccine safety. The goal is to address and rectify this perceived corruption.

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The speaker criticizes Dr. Fauci, claiming he lacks knowledge about electron microscopy and medicine. They accuse him and other administrative figures of having personal agendas and making up rules. The speaker believes that the public cannot distinguish between good and bad scientists, which is a problem in the scientific community. They mention a request for Dr. Fauci to debate someone knowledgeable on the subject.

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The speaker questions why the press is not covering the fact that a senior scientist at the CDC, Dr. Bill Thompson, has claimed that the CDC lied about their science. They challenge the organizations that claim vaccines are safe to provide scientific evidence to support their claims. The speaker believes that doctors are not scientists and argues that science is based on published research papers. They compare the situation to the Catholic Church's pedophile scandal, where the institution was prioritized over protecting children. The speaker offers $100,000 to anyone who can provide a study supporting the safety of vaccines. They emphasize the importance of skepticism and the need to question those in power.

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Humanity's tendency to focus on details and listen is questioned by one speaker. They criticize Dr. Fauci, claiming he lacks knowledge in various fields and shouldn't be in his position. The speaker believes that those in power have personal agendas and make up their own rules. They accuse Fauci of lying and state that the public cannot distinguish between good and bad scientists. Science is criticized for being judged and funded by people who don't understand it. The speaker challenges Fauci to debate someone knowledgeable on the subject. They mention an invitation from the president of the University of South Carolina to have a balanced discussion.

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The speaker discusses the scientific evidence surrounding the interference with data by the deputy mayor. They provide an example of a research paper that found no reduction in lung problems or asthma symptoms in children despite improvements in air quality. The mayor and deputy mayor wanted the sentence reworded to imply the opposite of the findings. The speaker concludes that the mayor's team attempted to manipulate data and questions if they are doing it in other areas as well.

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I was jailed for speaking out, do you agree? I don't want another lockdown. The speaker presents a book exposing research fraud behind vaccine mandates to a senator.

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"Your government doesn't censor those people as a way to do the best that it can." The speaker recalls being interviewed by a major newspaper and "I bring up doctor Peter McCullough every time" when asked "what evidence? What proof?" They argue that "the world's leading heart doctor" and "the most published heart doctor in the world was censored during COVID." They question whether "the government was just doing the best that it could under the circumstances," answering "Like, no." The speaker asserts that "The best a government that considers itself to be in a free nation does not go out of its way to censor world renowned scientists, doctors, the number one heart doctor in the world in doctor Peter McCullough, the most published ICU doctor the world in doctor Paul Merrick, the inventor of the technology itself, doctor Robert Malone." "Your government doesn't censor those people as a way to do the best that it can."

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Speaker 0 posits that every time you consume natural flavorings, you could be eating something developed by human fetal cells. They claim that major food companies, including Pepsi, Nestle, and Kraft, have used a biotech company called Cinomics to create flavor enhancers. The disturbing part, they say, is that these artificial flavors were originally tested using HEK293, a cell line derived from aborted fetal tissue, and that due to legal loopholes they don’t have to tell consumers. They insist: natural flavors don’t necessarily come from nature; they can be chemically engineered in a lab using biotech derived from human cells. The explanation provided is that the food industry knows processed food loses its flavor, so instead of relying on real ingredients, they turn to biotech companies to develop flavor enhancers. Ceramics reportedly found that HEK293 cells, originally from fetal tissue, react to flavors like human taste buds, and by testing these flavors on cells, additives were created to make processed food better, allegedly addicting millions of people worldwide. These chemical compounds were then rebranded as natural flavors. Speaker 0 asserts the why behind it: the food industry is described as one giant deceptive machine that uses loopholes to keep consumers in the dark. They claim that today, even natural flavors can contain over 100 synthetic compounds developed using biotech processes that consumers aren’t told about. The overarching claim is that the motive is profit, not health, and that people are the experiment. If this has been hidden for decades, then they ask what else might be hidden, urging listeners to wake up, check labels, and demand transparency. They warn not to trust food giants that profit from deception, arguing that if manipulation of what people eat is possible, it could extend to manipulating how they think and feel. They conclude by stating that the truth is out and invite viewers to share whether they’ve been fooled by natural flavors in the comments.

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The caller expresses concern about conspiracy theories and asks for clarity from Mr. Kennedy. He denies being an anti-vaxxer or conspiracy theorist and defends his views on 5G causing cancer and government surveillance. He clarifies that he never said atrazine causes transgenderism but believes it is an endocrine disruptor. He mentions the need to study chemical exposures and their impact on public health. When asked about the scientific basis for his claims, he points to studies listed on his website and thousands of studies on endocrine disruptors. He mentions Dr. David Carpenter as a reputable scientist in this field.

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Kendall asks for an explanation of the process by which the MMR vaccine causes autism, referencing the movie Vaxxed. Speaker 2 responds that they are currently researching those questions, as parents and physicians have reported children developing autism immediately after the MMR vaccine. The speaker claims studies that should have been done long ago were not. Instead, the speaker alleges that captured researchers at the CDC, mainly people who work for the pharmaceutical industry, produced bad epidemiological studies. The speaker asserts that these studies deliberately avoided comparing health outcomes in vaccinated versus unvaccinated groups. Speaker 0 states that this is one of the things they are studying now with gold standard science. Speaker 2 confirms they are doing gold standard science, which includes replication. They are allocating about 20% of their budget to replicating studies. Speaker 0 explains replication as an independent group repeating a study with the same parameters and data sets to achieve the same result. Speaker 2 agrees.

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the corruption of science, which I believe you just said. That is almost your number one goal. Right? Is try to bring integrity and credibility back to science, which has been corrupted by the people who pay for it, by federal health agencies being captured by pharmaceutical industries, by big pharma, by big food. In 02/2002, CDC did an internal study of Atlanta, Fulton County, Georgia children looked at children who got the MLR vaccine on time and compared those to kids who got them later. The data from that study showed that black boys who got the vaccine on time had a two sixty percent greater chance of getting an autism diagnosis than children who waited. The chief scientist on that, Doctor. William Thompson, the senior vaccine safety science at CDC, was ordered to come into a room with four other co authors by his boss, Frank DeStefano, who’s the head of the immunization safety press, ordered to destroy that data. And then they published it without that fact. It happens all the time. We are being lied to by these agencies. And we're going to change that right now.

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The speaker asserts that every time people consume natural flavorings, they may be eating something developed by human fetal cells. They claim that some of the biggest food companies, including Pepsi, Nestle, and Kraft, have used a biotech company called Cinomics to create flavor enhancers. The speaker emphasizes that these artificial flavors were originally tested using HEK293, a cell line derived from aborted fetal tissue, and that due to legal loopholes, companies do not have to disclose this information. They repeat that natural flavors do not necessarily come from nature; they can be chemically engineered in a lab using biotech derived from human cells. The explanation continues with a description of how the process works: the food industry knows that processed food loses flavor, so rather than using real ingredients, biotech companies are brought in to develop flavor enhancers. Ceramics (likely a misspoken or misnamed term) is cited as identifying that HEK293 cells, derived from fetal tissue, react to flavors like human taste buds. By testing flavors on these cells, additives were created to improve the flavor of processed food, allegedly addicting millions of people worldwide. The speaker claims that these chemical compounds were rebranded as natural flavors. The broader assertion is that the food industry operates as a large deceptive machine, using loopholes to keep consumers uninformed. The message is that even natural flavors can contain over 100 synthetic compounds developed via biotech processes that consumers are not told about. The speaker claims the issues are driven by profit rather than health, and that people are the experiment. They ask what else has been hidden if this has been kept secret for decades, urging listeners to wake up, check labels, and demand transparency. The speaker warns against trusting food giants that profit from deception, arguing that if they can manipulate what people eat, they can manipulate how people think and feel. The speaker ends by declaring that the truth is out and invites the audience to share whether they have been fooled by natural flavors in the comments.

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Two speakers debate credibility, science politicization, and public health. "I just I just have to say, he did use the term pregnant people in his resignation." "It's not a ruse. He literally wrote it down." "We have some rules because people don't know this guy's not credible." "But he is not credible." They reference immunizations, vaccines, autism, and "Amazing research about on communicable diseases, on cancer." "Can men get pregnant or not?" The exchange questions what is credible and what matters. "'Nothing Nothing. Are you serious of all the things that we're talking about here, immunizations, vaccines, autism' is highlighted." A public health physician adds: "What matters to people in their homes Yes. Is whether or not they know what immunizations their child should have," while noting that "people's children are being dehumanized" as they warn that "everything just becomes about buzzwords. Or political comments."

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RFK Jr.'s potential role as HHS secretary is framed around three goals: The target is to clean up the corruption. Number two, get back to science based evidence. And number three, end chronic disease, which is a pretty big goal. The speaker notes pushback from big food, chemical, and pharma companies who really don't like him. He cites a counterargument: 'there is no clear evidence yet that disease is caused by processed food.' You know how ridiculous that sounds? This, this. It's not linked to chronic disease. What does cause disease? And their response is, we don't know. We need to do more research.

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Speaker 0 argues that there are only two types of people who receive formaldehyde injections: vaccine recipients and dead people. They say this contrast highlights a perceived inconsistency in anti-vaccine skepticism about formaldehyde. They note that when they discuss the dangers of vaccine ingredients like formaldehyde, they often encounter the retort that formaldehyde is natural, present in pairs, and produced by the body. They insist that the natural presence of formaldehyde in the body is not equivalent to synthetic formaldehyde from a lab being injected into muscle tissue. They emphasize that ingestion and injection are two completely different processes. When something is ingested, the body has multiple defensive layers—stomach acid, the gut barrier, the microbiome, liver detoxification, and metabolic regulation. In contrast, injecting a substance bypasses nearly all of these defenses and goes directly into tissue and circulation in a totally different form and context. They state that the claim “it’s in food” is a false equivalency and characterize it as a conditioned, programmed response by people who have done little to no research and merely repeat things like a parrot. They assert that informed consent means truly being informed before consenting, and they remind the audience that the decision about their baby’s health and family’s future is their responsibility. They address Kalen, suggesting a personal appeal: “Right, Kalen?” followed by a beep.

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The speaker is working with Jay Bhattacharya and Secretary Kennedy to investigate US-funded gain of function research, including at the Wuhan lab, and its potential link to the COVID-19 pandemic. They aim to provide evidence showing why ending this research is in the American people's best interest. The speaker claims that Anthony Fauci funded the pandemic and then denied it under oath to Senator Rand Paul. They also suggest Fauci sought a preemptive pardon from President Biden. The speaker was attacked for warning against US-funded biolabs in Ukraine, fearing potential pathogen releases. The speaker questions why the intelligence community was reluctant to conclude that COVID-19 originated in a lab, suggesting politicization of intelligence to meet objectives or influence policy. They draw a parallel to the intelligence used to justify the Iraq regime change war and its consequences. The speaker emphasizes the need to address these issues within the intelligence community and highlights the importance of leadership.

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Speaker 0 argues that 'the trustworthiness of the information that we actually receive from the news media' is a major problem and notes that 'the easiest thing for our democratic colleagues to do is to scare people.' He asks, 'COVID nineteen was politicized?' Speaker 1 answers, 'the whole process was politicized' and says 'we were lied to about everything... the vaccines would prevent transmission' and 'they prevent infection'—claims he says are contradicted by 'the animal studies and the clinical trial showed.' He accuses the CDC of letting 'the teachers union' write school-closure orders that 'hurt working people all over the country, and then pretend it was science based.' He adds examples: 'Martin Koldor from Harvard' was 'ejected [from COVID]... because he wasn't in the orthodoxy'; 'FDA during COVID' officials 'Gruber and Krausz' criticized Biden mandates; Biden said, 'I would never take that vaccine, the Trump vaccine' then mandated it and fired top FDA officials who said it had not been properly tested.' The exchange ends with 'Yes.'

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The speaker believes COVID vaccine programs should be stopped. They are astounded by the number of papers critical of the vaccine or showing negative effects. The speaker claims a group of researchers funded by Pfizer and the NIH bullies editors to retract papers with negative findings about the vaccine. They assert the number of retractions is appalling. According to the speaker, in one instance where an editor resisted, Nature Springer bought the journal and retracted the paper. The speaker states that this is what they have been dealing with.

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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #639
Guests: Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. sits with Theo Von to discuss a wide range of public health and governance issues, focusing on systemic problems Kennedy attributes to major institutions and policies. He describes efforts to reform federal health agencies, arguing that consolidation and streamlined leadership are necessary to reduce waste, improve replication of scientific results, and refocus research on causes of chronic disease. Kennedy highlights past experiences with regulatory capture and fraud, recounting court cases against pesticide makers and the multi-billion-dollar verdicts that shaped public perception of safety data. He argues for greater transparency and accessibility of government documents through open-source, peer-reviewed processes and for AI-enabled, rapid access to information to counter bureaucratic delays in informing the public. The conversation also delves into practical policy initiatives: replacing consent-driven reimbursement models with outcomes-based approaches in addiction treatment, pursuing aggressive fraud detection with machine learning in Medicare and Medicaid, and pursuing price transparency in medical procedures to empower patients as cost-conscious consumers. Kennedy emphasizes nutrition and environmental health as central to preventing chronic disease, detailing how ultra-processed foods and mass poisoning through dietary guidelines and FDA-industry influence have contributed to rising obesity, diabetes, and behavioral health concerns. He recounts political realities of collaboration, noting bipartisan support for certain reforms while acknowledging current polarization impedes broader change. The discussion touches on fluoride in drinking water, debates over food dyes, and regional policy experiments such as state-level regulations that reduce exposure to potentially harmful additives. Throughout, Kennedy advocates practical, evidence-based reforms aimed at aligning healthcare and agriculture with long-term public health goals, including safer agricultural tech, alternative weed control, and healthier food systems. The episode closes with a call to action for individuals to “eat real food” and for systemic changes to empower people to take control of their health through information, trustworthy research, and transparent governance.
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