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Speaker 0 argues that due to the country’s horrible history, levels of reparation are completely appropriate, but acknowledges that much has changed this century and that merit should eventually be reinstated to where it formally was. They state that the issue was bypassed, and that the people it’s supposed to help are often not helped by forgetting about it. Speaker 1 counters by saying merit is just a concept, and questions how to solve the problem, especially with “two white dudes sitting on a couch.” They reject the idea of guilt and assert that being white does not mean they cannot have opinions or engage in the discussion.

The speaker argues that the nation is heading toward a civil war due to irreconcilable political and ideological divides that are deepening. They claim the Democratic Party is becoming more radical and that every current issue hinges on illegal immigration. Specific points raised include the belief that Democrats want to spend a trillion dollars on healthcare, push for a census to counsel for congressional racism, and advocate electoral changes or mass deportations in cities like Portland, Chicago, and Los Angeles. According to the speaker, without illegal aliens or foreign entities in the country, Democrats cannot assemble votes, despite loving democracy, because the mathematical reality doesn’t work for them. The speaker notes contemporaneous political tensions, including a Supreme Court decision and redistricting fights, comparing those fights to “kids in this chat room.” They assert that with enough urgency and a maximal strategy, the 21 would already be on the table and a plan would be executed, but that the establishment resists because it wants to remain part of the established order. They claim this dynamic has persisted for forty to fifty years, and that although Republicans have won control of the House, Senate, and presidency at times, the country remains “on a cliff of an abyss.” They credit Trump with preventing the country from collapsing, suggesting that without him “the country be over.” The speaker predicts worsening partisan conflict, citing perceived left-wing escalation and examples like a Kansas dynamic where people are “thrown under the bus” and treated as unworthy of forgiveness. They describe the left as moving up an escalatory ladder, and refer to Mondami as a “Marxist jihadist” who might win by roughly 15 points. In New York City, they reference Sadiq Khan and describe everything the left has as more radical than anticipated, asserting a widening chasm and a lack of meaningful debate. Regarding strategy, the speaker criticizes the Trump administration, including Pam Bondi, for not moving quickly enough. They acknowledge a recent Oval Office discussion about stopping street violence as positive but insist the focus must be on the deep state: taking the administrative apparatus, leveraging a short window of time, prioritizing and expanding hires for U.S. attorneys, and ensuring arrests translate into durable outcomes. Without this, they warn, good arrests will be undermined by future waves of bad actors returning. The call is to maximize strategy, seize institutions, and act with urgency.

Speaker 0 argues that the country is headed toward a civil war, citing unbridgeable divides that are deepening. They claim the Democratic Party is becoming more radical and assert that all current political battles center on illegal aliens, including calls to spend a trillion dollars on health care, demands to census-cancel for congressional races or the electoral college, and mass deportations in cities like Portland, Chicago, and Los Angeles. According to them, without immigration and foreign presence, the Democrats cannot assemble votes, even as they claim Democrats “love democracy” but the math doesn’t work for them. They reference the Supreme Court and redistricting battles, suggesting these fights illustrate a broader struggle. The speaker contends that if they had enough resolve and urgency to implement a maximalist strategy, the 21 would already be on the table and active. They describe the political establishment as controlling the system and wanting to remain part of it, portraying a long-term dynamic spanning forty to fifty years in which Republicans have held offices but are now facing an existential crisis. The speaker predicts the left will escalate further, using graphic language to describe leftist figures and movements as radical and dangerous. They mention a shift toward an escalatory ladder and present a controversial comparison involving figures like Describing Mondami as a Marxist jihadist who they claim will win by a large margin in New York City, and Sadiq Khan as another example of rising radicalism. They assert that “everything they have is even more radical than you can anticipate,” and state there is no meaningful debate about the widening chasm. On strategy, the speaker criticizes the Trump administration and Pam Bondi for not moving quickly enough, acknowledging a recent Oval Office effort against street violence as positive but insufficient. The central strategic focus is on confronting the “deep state” and taking control of the apparatus. They warn there is a short window to act, arguing that without increasing hiring of US attorneys and concentrating on the deep state, arrest statistics and law-and-order efforts will be undermined by future offenders being invited back in by the opposition. The speaker emphasizes the need to maximize their own strategy, seize institutions, and move with a sense of urgency, insisting that the current approach is insufficient and that a more aggressive, institution-facing strategy is required to counter the perceived leftward drift.

The speakers discuss the idea of killing as part of a revolution. Speaker 1 mentions that they have not called for the killing of white people, but cannot guarantee the future. Speaker 2 expresses concern about the message being shared on Twitter, but Speaker 1 dismisses it as crybabies. Speaker 1 emphasizes that if things continue as they are, there will be a revolution. Speaker 2 questions whether Speaker 1 is ruling out calling for the slaughter of white people in the future, and Speaker 1 responds that they don't know what will happen. The conversation ends with Speaker 0 repeating the phrase "kill the poor, the farmer."

Speaker 0 argues that white Americans will soon be a minority, and that this is great. Speaker 1 counters that whites will not be the majority and describes it as an exciting transformation and evolution, a progress of the country. Speaker 2 states that whites will be a minority very soon and says, “I'm okay with that.” Speaker 1 asks, if the white working class is in trouble, whether new Americans should be brought in. Speaker 3 predicts America will look very different in a hundred years, with racial labels becoming less distinct (“You're black, you're white, you're Hispanic, you're Puerto Rican, whatever”), and says that complexity will be good in the end. Speaker 2 contends that white Americans feel they are losing their country and ownership, and that they are, in the end, not the future. Speaker 3 asserts that for the first time in American history, the number of white people went down; “White population is declining for the first time in history in America.” Speaker 3 cautions that white people will not be the majority in the country anymore, noting it will be the first generation with whites as a minority. Speaker 1 proclaims, “Treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity.” Speaker 3 proclaims that to abolish whiteness is to abolish white people. Speaker 1 contends that white people are committed to being villains in the aggregate. Speaker 3 declares, “We gotta take these motherfuckers out.” Speaker 2 asks whether it was the duty of every good revolutionary to kill all newborn white babies. Speaker 3 responds, “We have to kill white people,” and, when pressed, mirrors that sentiment with, “When we say we wanna kill whites, we don't really mean we wanna kill whites. We do. We have to exterminate white people off of the face of the planet to solve this problem.” Speaker 1 comments, “When do we start killing white people?” and then, “start killing all white folks, but maybe?” Speaker 3 reiterates the extermination goal, stating, “We have to exterminate white people off of the face of the planet to solve this problem.” Speaker 5 adds, “An unrelenting stream of immigration. Nonstop. Nonstop. Folks like me who were Caucasian of European descent will be in an absolute minority in The United States Of America. Absolute minority.” He concludes that this shift is not a bad thing and calls it a source of strength.

The transcript shows a volatile exchange centered on immigration and constitutional rights. Speaker 0 repeatedly asks how many constitutional rights the other participants are willing to give up to “get these people out,” framing the issue as a test of loyalty to the country. He emphasizes a confrontational stance against immigrants and their supporters, pressing for an explicit, finite number of rights to sacrifice. Speaker 1 responds with extreme, inflammatory rhetoric. He declares, “As many constitutional rights as it takes to keep the race in the country alive is how many I’m willing to walk on,” and identifies as a “national socialist authoritarian,” asserting a willingness to sacrifice rights to preserve a “race in the country.” He attacks the idea of protecting the Constitution, stating, “my constitution, my democracy, my fucking… inalienable fucking constitutional car driven rights,” and contrasts that with what he sees as the real priority of protecting the country and race. He references “the force doctrine” and asserts that “your rights are whatever the fucking force doctrine says you’re allowed to do.” He also claims that the United States acts as “the force doctrine of the entire world.” During the exchange, Speaker 0 derides Speaker 1 as “white racist fuck” and “unamerican,” while Speaker 1 escalates, declaring that he does not care about the constitution if it endangers the country or race. He asserts, “What I care about is our country,” and later says, “Willing to let this country burn and your entire race burn if it meant that you didn’t violate the constitution? I don’t give a fuck about that.” He proclaims, “If I need to throw away the first amendment, the second amendment, the third, the fourth, the fifth, sixth, and all of them in order to make sure that The US and its people stays alive,” questioning how that could be acceptable. The dialogue includes explicit harassment and slurs, including “chill faggot,” and culminates in a moment where Speaker 0 calls for clipping the exchange, expressing it as “fucking gold.” The participants debate whether constitutional protections should yield to perceived national or racial imperatives, with both sides railing against the other’s stance and repeatedly foregrounding the primacy of protecting the country over preserving constitutional rights, according to their respective positions.

Speaker 0: There's no cameras over young white male when the young white male is the real threat to America. And it just hangs. Speaker 1: You know what? You're right. I agree. I agree. You're right about that. Because young white males are gonna be the majority with guns, and if you keep telling them that they're criminals and they should pay for people's bad decisions, you don't wanna see them angry. Tell them that they've never been angry. And I'm telling you, I'm looking at young men, and they're way way more angry than I ever was. Well, they're getting their ass kicked. If they're that angry, why they're only killing each other in their communities? When's the last time you I mean, how many let's look at recently. Speaker 0: That's good question. Why are not killing black people? Speaker 1: No. You know what? What's the point? Because they're they're they're able to understand that the ones that are not the problem. They're not listen.

Speaker 0 states it is not okay to be white because white people have "done too much bad" and should "try not to be white." Speaker 1 questions if these statements constitute hate speech, imagining the reaction if someone expressed similar sentiments toward their skin color. Speaker 1 believes only white people are held accountable for their words and actions, and that some people are striving for supremacy rather than equality. Speaker 1 wonders if the person who made the initial statements is gainfully employed and if it would be wrong to find out where they work and inform their employer.

The speakers discuss a GoFundMe for a black teen who killed a white teen, contrasting it with the hypothetical reaction if the races were reversed. One speaker says the GoFundMe comments reveal hatred against white people and that it feels like rewarding the killer, which could lead to societal breakdown. Another speaker says racial conflict reveals an ugly truth: many black people harbor ingrained racial hatred towards white people due to historical injustices. He says this surfaces during incidents like this, as seen in the GoFundMe comments. He contrasts this with support for the white victim, which he attributes to the tragedy of his death and potential. He says this underbelly of racism from the black community will always emerge in similar situations, regardless of who is right or wrong.

Speaker 0 asks Speaker 1 if they believe white people should pay reparations, claiming Speaker 1 tweeted in January 2020, "Yes, the North. Yes. All of us. Yes. America. Yes. Our original collective sin and unpaid debt. Yes. Reparations. Yes. On this day." Speaker 1 denies the tweet referred to fiscal reparations. Speaker 1 states the tweet referenced owing much to those who came before. Speaker 0 calls this a bizarre framing of the tweet.

Democrats have tested their actions on the black community before implementing them on white Americans. They destroyed the economy, birth control rates, monuments, and influenced the acceptance of homosexuality and rebellion through music. Hollywood representation was denied, and they dismissed our concerns about forced vaccinations. The Census Bureau changed our nationality multiple times, and they assassinated our real leaders. They altered the color of historical figures and labeled us as a problem because of our race. Now, they are doing the same to white Americans. Black Americans may embrace the new propaganda, while white Americans will rightfully speak out against it. This creates a divide where black Americans may feel that white Americans don't want them to have anything. We are living in a powerful psychological operation where history is erased.

Speaker 0 opened by saying that over the last week he has interacted with over 300,000 plus real Chicagoans who say it is hate speech to evoke the Civil War or the Confederacy, to say that law enforcement is a sickness, while the other person has over 150 sworn CPD officers on his detail. He asked what the other person would say to those people and whether he would ask his 150 sworn officers to stand down if he and his wife Stacy are ever attacked, shot at, or rammed with a protester’s vehicle. Speaker 1 responded with sarcasm about the large number, joking that the interactions had “gone down to 300,000,” and claimed he had checked the other person’s comments. He asserted that the addiction on jails and incarceration and the addiction of militarism is evil, referencing Doctor King, and said it is incumbent to ensure that “the real Chicagoans” or the real people of America receive attention, suggesting we should spend billions of dollars overseas on the people in Chicago instead. Speaker 0 pushed back, saying that the real Chicagoans he talks to, mostly Black and Brown, feel that the other person does not distinguish between illegal aliens and real Chicago citizens, and that he is siding with illegal aliens over communities. He asserted that a recent incident involved “an illegal alien from Nicaragua” who grabbed a woman on the North Side, bashed her head into the sidewalk, knocked her unconscious, and raped her. He asked whether, if that had been the other person’s wife, Stacy, he would want ICE to deport that illegal alien, and asked for a yes or no answer. Speaker 1 pressed to get a direct answer, asking for a response “as a man, not as mayor,” and repeated the question about whether ICE should deport the rapist. Speaker 0 reiterated his question and stated that the answer for real Chicagoans is the deportation of the rapist, and that was the “answer for real Chicagoans.” Speaker 1 then apologized for being late, blaming traffic, and the other person quipped about the traffic, noting, “You’re not blaming me for the traffic, are you?” and said he had been watching.

Speaker 0 accuses Speaker 1 of "white guilt" and weakness, claiming he is creating more "Austin Metcalfs" by not condemning his son's killer and the culture that caused it. Speaker 1 counters that Speaker 0 has been "submitted" and is weak. Speaker 1 questions Speaker 0's patriotism, asking where he was on January 6th. He accuses Speaker 0 of "murdering white people" and being a degenerate. Speaker 1 claims Speaker 0 is using Austin Metcalf's name for t-shirts and propaganda. Speaker 1 states he will run for Senate in Florida as a Republican and defeat Speaker 0. He accuses Speaker 0 of trying to shut down a white man and trying to raise money. Speaker 1 says he came to give Speaker 0 a message from a father.

Speaker 0 claims Black Americans are the wealthiest black people globally and believes victimhood is a hindrance, asserting nothing holds black people back and they benefit from advantages like lower college test score requirements and freedom of speech. Speaker 1 objects to the "victim mentality" claim. Speaker 1 states that people say the n-word to them frequently. Speaker 0 expresses disbelief and accuses Speaker 1 of a "race hoax" akin to Jussie Smollett, suggesting the alleged incident is fabricated to portray white students as racist. Speaker 0 asks if a black person said the n-word. Speaker 1 does not answer the question. Speaker 0 argues that if the n-word wasn't used as an insult, it shouldn't be presented as evidence of racism.

Speaker 0 questions Speaker 1 about past tweets and NPR content. Speaker 0 asks if Speaker 1 believes America is addicted to white supremacy, if America believes in black plunder and white democracy, and if white people inherently feel superior. Speaker 1 says their thinking has evolved and denies holding those beliefs now, also stating they don't recall some tweets. Speaker 0 confronts Speaker 1 with their past tweets about reparations, asking if white people should pay them. Speaker 1 claims the tweet wasn't about fiscal reparations. Speaker 0 asks if Speaker 1 believes looting is morally wrong, and Speaker 1 confirms that it is. Speaker 0 then questions Speaker 1 about NPR content, including a book called In Defense of Looting, an article about gender queer dinosaur enthusiasts, and an editorial stating that fear of fatness is more harmful than actual fat. Speaker 1 says they are unfamiliar with some of the content. Speaker 0 accuses NPR of editorializing and promoting garbage, vowing to defund them.

Speaker 0 asks Speaker 1 if they are ruling out the possibility of calling for the slaughter of white people in the future. Speaker 1 responds by saying they don't know what will happen and it may or may not be them. Speaker 0 clarifies that it could be Speaker 1 and asks what would necessitate that. Speaker 1 doesn't know and questions why they would do that. Speaker 0 asks Speaker 1 to pledge to never call for the slaughter of white people, but Speaker 1 refuses to make that pledge. Speaker 0 understands.

Speaker 1: "Just because the other side... jokes about the bad things that happened to them, I don't think that makes it okay for us to turn around and do the same." Speaker 0: "No. We need to stop... the left just haven't cucked out enough." Speaker 0: "Trump is fucking insane because he has support from 90% of the conservatives in the Republican party who are entirely un American." Speaker 1: "One person is dead... a swing state voter." Speaker 1: "We don't know what the motivation of the shooter was." Speaker 1: "Just because there is fire burning doesn't give us leave to throw more wood on it." Speaker 0: "Donald Trump wanted absolute criminal immunity." Speaker 0: "Democracy only works when everybody participates." Speaker 1: "I reject this framing entirely."

I believe the United States is in a type of civil war. By that, I mean we have irreconcilable differences. Each side is willing to fight for the outcomes that they want. In that kind of environment, the question becomes, how will the legal system function? Will it stand in the way of the fight, or will the fight itself become more important than anything else? That's the type of situation we're currently facing.

Speaker 0 challenges Speaker 1 to publicly address an issue larger than Austin, accusing him of "white guilt" and weakness that is creating more "Austin Metcalfs." Speaker 0 urges Speaker 1 to condemn his son's killer and the culture that caused it. Speaker 1 accuses Speaker 0 of being degenerate, murdering white people, and not being patriotic. Speaker 1 claims that silence has not helped and asks where Speaker 0 was on January 6th. Speaker 1 states that Speaker 0 is only condemning his solution to help people where they're weak, particularly young black males. Speaker 1 says he will run for Senate in Florida as a Republican and defeat Speaker 0. Speaker 1 accuses Speaker 0 of wanting to shut down a white man. Speaker 1 states he came to give a message from his father. Speaker 0 accuses Speaker 1 of trying to shut him down because he is a black man.

The speakers discuss the idea of killing as part of a revolution. Speaker 1 clarifies that they are not currently calling for the killing of white people, but cannot guarantee the future. Speaker 2 questions if they may call for it in the future, to which Speaker 1 responds that it is a possibility. Speaker 0 interrupts and the transcript ends abruptly.

Speaker 0 claimed that white people make up 10% of the world's population, and that in California, the white population decreased by 71% in 73 years, which "kinda sounds like genocide." He questioned why violent crime and murder rates by race are not available from Sacramento. Speaker 1 interrupted, calling the statements racist and inappropriate for public discourse, and ended the call. Speaker 1 stated that racist tropes and stereotypes have no place in civic discourse.

Speaker 0 questions Speaker 1 about their statement regarding the potential future call for the slaughter of white people. Speaker 1 initially states that they are not ruling out the possibility, but later clarifies that they cannot guarantee it. Speaker 0 asks Speaker 1 to make a pledge to never call for such an act, but Speaker 1 refuses. The conversation ends with Speaker 0 acknowledging Speaker 1's response.

Speaker 1: "The narrative that they have pushed forward in the last ten years is that there is a relentless assault on against black people be on behalf of white people, and the data does not show that." Speaker 1: "White individuals are actually more likely to be attacked, especially even per capita, by black individuals in this country." Speaker 3: "it's just pure race race mongering, hate mongering. It's wrong." Speaker 3: "Where is the George Floyd policing act? It didn't pass." Speaker 0: "The media doesn't care about this, and we should start asking why." Speaker 1: "All of a sudden, when we make the left live up to their own standard of rules, there is complete silence by the entire American media."

Speaker 0 asserts there is a mental health crisis in the country and "the left" needs immediate help. Speaker 1 calls "Trump bigots" racist and claims they think they are superior. Speaker 0 suggests people are triggered by a gay man's message that they can leave the Democratic party. Speaker 0 states their message is that people don't have to be Democrats and that their "unhinged devotion to a radicalized party" is resulting in the negative reactions. Speaker 1 says "prove more" and expresses dislike.

Speaker 0 expresses concern about the perceived dispossession of white people in various aspects of society. Speaker 1 argues that this is not dispossession but rather an expansion of equality and civil rights. Speaker 0 counters by referencing the first citizenship law, which aimed to reserve naturalization for free white persons. Speaker 1 acknowledges the flaws of America's founding fathers but emphasizes the ideal of equality for all. Speaker 0 disagrees, suggesting that the arrival of diverse populations will change the country his ancestors built. Speaker 1 concludes the conversation, acknowledging the time taken.