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There's a clear legal path to get one guy back, but what about all the other people? People are upset about illegal immigration, but who cleans hotel rooms, provides food, washes dishes, and does gardening? Immigrants are here through grit and will to give their families a better chance. White men in America are 45 times more likely to commit a violent crime than an immigrant. The media suggests appealing to white voters, but Joe Biden, an 81-year-old Catholic from Scranton, challenged their Trumpian sense and still won. If president, the speaker would call the president of El Salvador and demand they send people back or face invasion, because what they're doing is a crime.

The speaker expresses frustration, stating they are the only one present who has found dead migrants abandoned by smugglers and witnessed the aftermath of human smuggling operations. They recall finding 19 dead migrants in a trailer, including a child who died in his father's arms, and witnessing the torture of those who couldn't pay smuggling fees. The speaker argues that talk of open borders and abolishing ICE encourages more people to make the dangerous journey, leading to more deaths and violence. They claim that 31% of women are raped during the journey. They believe that failing to close loopholes results in more women being raped and more children dying. The speaker states that people are dying at the hands of those who crossed the border due to open border policies.

Two Venezuelan migrants are under arrest in Houston, charged with murdering 12-year-old Jocelyn Nungaray. An undocumented immigrant from Ecuador was arrested in New York City, accused of raping a 13-year-old girl. An undocumented immigrant from El Salvador was arrested in Oklahoma and is accused of raping and murdering Rachel Moran, a mother of five, from Maryland. An undocumented immigrant is not a criminal, and we have to correct course on this conversation in our country.

The speaker accuses the leftist media of advocating for criminals, terrorists, and illegal aliens who commit crimes, while ignoring the American people. They highlight Cory Booker's plan to organize a delegation to El Salvador to advocate for the release of an individual, contrasting it with Democrats' alleged unwillingness to advocate for American hostages in Gaza. The speaker questions why Democrats defend criminal illegal aliens and those with low morality, suggesting a psychological study on this tendency. They criticize Democrats for focusing on this issue while Trump focuses on American safety and hostage returns, accusing them of promoting open borders and blocking the deportation of criminal illegal aliens. Booker claims the Trump administration is defying a court order regarding the return of an individual, paying El Salvador to detain people without due process. He argues this is an assault on due process rights, threatening everyone, and represents democratic slippage. The initial speaker counters that the focus should be on the Democratic party facilitating illegal immigration and protecting violent gang members.

Speaker contends that current policy endangers public safety and that enforcement priorities are misaligned. The remarks center on immigration enforcement and its perceived consequences for communities. The speaker asserts: 'What ICE is doing is not making us safe.' They add: 'The Trump administration is treating immigrants generally, undocumented immigrants specifically as criminals.' They conclude with: 'But I remind people, being an undocumented immigrant is not a crime.' The statements underscore a distinction between immigration status and criminality, and frame immigration policy as a safety issue rather than a question of criminality. Overall, the message challenges conflating undocumented status with criminal intent and calls for a reevaluation of enforcement approaches.

Speaker 0 asks about the danger to US communities from 13,000 people convicted of murder who crossed the border illegally. Speaker 1 responds that the numbers being reported are a false representation of the data. Speaker 1 states that total returns and removals in the past year have been higher than every year under the previous administration since 2010. Speaker 1 insists that data should be reported accurately to avoid confusing or lying to the American people, and that the misrepresentation has been fact-checked and debunked by multiple outlets.

The speaker claims the mainstream media doesn't want to cover the story of violent criminals being removed from the country. The speaker says they have gotten violent criminals and "low lives" off the streets and removed them from the country since taking office. They claim last month had the lowest border crossings on record due to a new president, not new legislation. The speaker states that over 5,000 children have been reunited with their families or a safe guardian since they came into office. The speaker says they are cleaning up communities by removing people who have committed heinous and violent crimes. The speaker says these removals are a matter of law and order.

The speaker claims the incoming administration wants to rectify abuses by enforcing immigration law, stating that those who entered illegally should leave. They allege the administration is stopping deportations. The speaker asserts that, according to the courts, it is lawful to be unlawful if you're Joe Biden, but unlawful to be lawful if you're Donald Trump.

The speaker claims that 13,099 murderers and 16,000 rapists have been let into the country. They state that Kamala Harris and Joe Biden's customs and border protection have allowed 425,000 people into the country in the last 4 years. The speaker asserts these individuals are committing crimes against Americans. They question why the media does not discuss individuals killed by illegal immigrants, alleging the administration's own accounting confirms 13,099 murderers have been let into the country.

The speaker discussed an El Salvadoran president's approach to crime, highlighting an anecdote about a gang member from Venezuela who admitted to shooting a cop. The speaker stated that everyone removed to El Salvador poses a significant public safety threat and is a terrorist. He praised the El Salvadoran president's efforts to eradicate MS-13, noting a significant drop in the country's crime rate. The speaker also addressed ICE arrest numbers, stating that the majority of those arrested are criminals. He criticized sanctuary cities for releasing criminals back into communities, which he claims forces ICE to conduct more arrests, leading to collateral arrests of individuals who may not be serious threats. He contrasted this approach with the previous administration's policies, which restricted ICE arrests to those convicted of serious crimes. He stated that sanctuary cities will see more ICE agents due to their policies.

Speaker 0 asks if Democrats risk playing into the president's hands by focusing on the Kilmaro Burgo Garcia case. Speaker 1 responds that they don't know of any Democrat who defended Garcia. They claim Garcia was falsely arrested and removed from the country. They allege "they" are making up things about Garcia, such as associating him with MS 13 or claiming he coordinated the January 6 attack, even though he has never been prosecuted or convicted of any crime.

In the exchange, Speaker 0 recounts feedback from “real Chicagoans,” describing them as mostly Black and Brown, and claims they tell him that the other person does not seem to know the difference between illegal aliens and real Chicago citizens. He asserts that these individuals feel the other person is siding with illegal aliens over their communities. He then pivots to a direct line of questioning. The real question, as Speaker 0 presents it, concerns a violent incident: “An illegal alien from Nicaragua grabbed a woman on the North Side, bashed her head into the sidewalk, knocked her unconscious, and raped her.” He presses for a direct response about what would have happened “if that had been your wife, Stacy.” He stages the hypothetical to elicit a clear stance from Speaker 1 on how to respond to such a crime and its immigration context. Speaker 1, however, interrupts to steer the conversation away from the loaded scenario. He repeatedly signals a move on, indicating a preference not to engage with the hypothetical or to answer the pointed ethical dilemma on the spot. The back-and-forth centers on the tactic of addressing the question versus avoiding it, with Speaker 0 insisting on a straightforward answer “as a man, not as mayor, but as a man.” The exchange escalates as Speaker 0 urges Speaker 1 to provide a simple yes or no and to address the issue directly, effectively challenging Speaker 1 to commit to a position regarding ICE and deportation in light of the described crime. Speaker 1 responds by again stating to move on, resisting the direct yes/no framework. Throughout, Speaker 0 persists in pressing for a candid, personal response to the hypothetical crime and its immigration implications, while Speaker 1 maintains a boundary about continuing the discussion in that moment. Ultimately, Speaker 1 declines to answer the specific deportation question in the moment, and Speaker 0 reaffirms the demand for a direct personal answer. The segment ends with Speaker 1 thanking the audience and moving on, leaving the explicit yes-or-no question unresolved in this exchange.

Democrats and the media have portrayed deported individuals as innocent, such as a supposed father of three who was actually an MS-13 gang member. An immigration judge determined in 2019 that this person had no right to be in the U.S., also noting traffic violations and missed court dates. The speaker asserts that the individual was an illegal alien who broke laws to enter the country, and that even left-wing media didn't criticize the deportation itself, only the reasoning behind it. The speaker states that the administration does not seek permission from Democrats to deport illegal immigrants. The speaker questions why Democrats are supposedly angrier about deporting violent gang members than they are about the victims of those gang members, suggesting they have lost touch with reality.

Dr. Paul and the other speaker discuss a sequence of public claims and shifts regarding Venezuela, Nicolas Maduro, and the Cartel de los Soles. They begin by recalling a $50,000,000 bounty on President Nicolas Maduro of Venezuela, arguing that Maduro is the head of a narco-terrorist drug cartel called Cartel de los Soles. They note that Secretary of State-designate Marco Rubio stated in November that the State Department intends to designate Cartel de los Soles as a foreign terrorist organization headed by the illegitimate Nicolas Maduro, asserting that the group has corrupted Venezuela’s institutions and is responsible for terrorist violence conducted with other designated foreign terrorist organizations, as well as for trafficking drugs into the U.S. and Europe. The speakers claim that for weeks Americans were exposed to a narrative portraying foreign narco-terrorist cartels running the country and that this narrative influenced public opinion, making some believe it might be acceptable to take drastic actions, including attacking boats, on the premise that “they’re all terrorists.” They then point to a development that “dropped yesterday,” presenting a clip that, once Maduro was “in their grasp,” the Justice Department allegedly dropped the claim that Venezuela’s Cartel de los Soles is an actual group. They assert that after months of hype intended to drum up support for invading Venezuela, the claim was retracted, with the implication that the government figures had misrepresented the situation. The speakers compare this sequence to the Iraq WMD narrative, asserting that officials “swore up and down for years” about WMDs, and when the invasion occurred they were shown joking about the existence of WMDs. They recall President George W. Bush joking about WMDs at a White House Correspondents’ Dinner, looking under the couch and the coffee table, asking “Where’s those WMDs?” They conclude by likening the Cartel de los Soles to the WMDs of their operation, arguing that the construct is already completely falling apart. The overarching claim is that the Cartel de los Soles was used as a justification for aggressive action, and that the narrative surrounding the cartel has been exposed as unreliable or false.

Speaker 0 accuses Speaker 1 and the mainstream media of covering for a "vicious gang" that has taken the lives of American women. Speaker 1 claims individuals can be classified based on tattoos and streetwear, leading to deportation to El Salvador. Speaker 0 refutes this, stating the Department of Homeland Security and its agents use a "litany of criteria" to ensure individuals qualify as "foreign terrorists" for deportation. Speaker 0 asserts the president authorized a mass deportation campaign targeting "illegal criminal aliens" and defends the credibility of agents risking their lives, while Speaker 1 questions their credibility. Speaker 0 repeats the accusation of covering for a "vicious gang."

Speaker says Mexico is conducting mass deportations of people who stayed illegally to 'manage a country,' insisting this is not about hating people but enforcing laws. They note signs saying 'no human is illegal,' but insist 'once you enter the wrong way, you're breaking the law.' They compare Mexico to the US, claiming Mexico 'start beating you up and then they question you later,' and 'In Mexico, they are doing mass deportations and are using force. Nothing like you see here in The US.' They state, 'Crossing the border illegally, that's a crime,' while adding, 'you don't see it that way, but I do.' They add a Japan analogy: 'Go to Japan and try to do it illegally and guarantee you, you're gonna You don't live in Japan. That's not a crime. You're not breaking the law. I mean, you are breaking the law, but it's not a criminal act.'

Riots erupted in Los Angeles against ICE efforts to apprehend illegal aliens and employers. Karen Bass sided with protesters, while Gavin Newsom called ICE's actions "chaotic" and "reckless," claiming they were enforcing an arbitrary deportation quota. The speaker argues that with 12,000,000 people entering the country illegally, deportation is not a quota but an effort to stop an invasion. A CBS poll showed 54% of Americans favor continued deportations. The speaker criticizes Newsom for not intervening to stop the violence, drawing parallels to the 2020 riots. The speaker questions Bass and Newsom's stance on the 12,000,000 people residing illegally amid a $2,000,000,000,000 deficit. The speaker also questions the Mexican government's position, suggesting taxing remittances. The speaker concludes Newsom ruined his chances as a national candidate by siding with those committing violence.

Mayor Wu, does ICE arresting a child rapist threaten everyone's safety? No. Does ICE arresting a murderous MS-13 gang member threaten everyone's safety? No. I'd like to point out that you, Mayor Michelle Wu, have said that ICE's efforts actually threaten the safety of everyone. You're a hypocrite.

The two speakers discuss the media coverage surrounding a high-profile case. The second speaker says the media coverage has been absolutely unfair and biased. They’ve done many interviews and are reaching a point where they won’t do them anymore, trusting the media less. They note a preference for live interviews because edited pieces distort their message. A concrete example is CBC’s Karen Pauls: she interviewed Russ Harald, Sudhoo, and several families who forgave. The second speaker claims Harald told them Pauls didn’t include half of what he said, and that she did the same to Andrea and Shauna Nordstrom (Logan Hunter’s mother). They allege that Nordstroms were given a bit part in a story that portrayed the subject as loving and forgiving, downplaying negative aspects, making it seem like the subject was sympathetic. The second speaker claims Karen Pauls twisted the narrative, and contends that much of the media has done this. Consequently, they’ve declined numerous interviews and no longer trust mainstream media regarding this story. The second speaker adds that there are people with no vested interest who want to express approval or forgiveness to feel good about themselves and to allow the subject to stay in the country. They contrast this with others who are deported for other offenses, such as those who steal $5,000 cars and are permanent residents who get deported. They have listened in on immigration and refugee board hearings to learn more about the process. They claim that because the case is so prominent, some people want to excuse the subject, even if it means allowing criminals or poor drivers to stay, thereby harming the system. The first speaker asks what precedent would be set if the subject were allowed to stay in Canada. The second speaker replies that it would imply that 16 lives mean nothing and questions how many people one would have to kill to be deported, underscoring the idea that the mere possibility of killing someone is central to the debate. They insist that raising the question of whether the person killed anyone is itself “crazy.”

Speaker 0 opened by saying that over the last week he has interacted with over 300,000 plus real Chicagoans who say it is hate speech to evoke the Civil War or the Confederacy, to say that law enforcement is a sickness, while the other person has over 150 sworn CPD officers on his detail. He asked what the other person would say to those people and whether he would ask his 150 sworn officers to stand down if he and his wife Stacy are ever attacked, shot at, or rammed with a protester’s vehicle. Speaker 1 responded with sarcasm about the large number, joking that the interactions had “gone down to 300,000,” and claimed he had checked the other person’s comments. He asserted that the addiction on jails and incarceration and the addiction of militarism is evil, referencing Doctor King, and said it is incumbent to ensure that “the real Chicagoans” or the real people of America receive attention, suggesting we should spend billions of dollars overseas on the people in Chicago instead. Speaker 0 pushed back, saying that the real Chicagoans he talks to, mostly Black and Brown, feel that the other person does not distinguish between illegal aliens and real Chicago citizens, and that he is siding with illegal aliens over communities. He asserted that a recent incident involved “an illegal alien from Nicaragua” who grabbed a woman on the North Side, bashed her head into the sidewalk, knocked her unconscious, and raped her. He asked whether, if that had been the other person’s wife, Stacy, he would want ICE to deport that illegal alien, and asked for a yes or no answer. Speaker 1 pressed to get a direct answer, asking for a response “as a man, not as mayor,” and repeated the question about whether ICE should deport the rapist. Speaker 0 reiterated his question and stated that the answer for real Chicagoans is the deportation of the rapist, and that was the “answer for real Chicagoans.” Speaker 1 then apologized for being late, blaming traffic, and the other person quipped about the traffic, noting, “You’re not blaming me for the traffic, are you?” and said he had been watching.

Two men kidnapped, beat, sexually assaulted, tortured, stripped, murdered, and dumped the body of Jocelyn Ungari. This speaker claims that this outcome was the Biden administration's policy. The speaker alleges that most papers never covered the story until President Trump forced them to. The speaker accuses the media of choosing to live far away from MS-13 terrorists, and claims that they would not accept rent-free housing in gang neighborhoods. The speaker asserts that the media's coverage is trying to force innocent Americans to have these people as their neighbors, risking their daughters being abducted, raped, and murdered. The speaker states that neither the administration nor President Trump will sympathize with the terrorists who have invaded our homes.

Two men kidnapped, beat, sexually assaulted, tortured, stripped, murdered, and dumped the body of Jocelyn Ungari. This speaker claims that this is the Biden administration's policy. The speaker alleges that most papers never covered the story until President Trump forced them to. The speaker accuses the press of choosing to live far away from MS-13 terrorists, and claims that they wouldn't live near them even if paid to do so. The speaker asserts that the press is trying to force innocent Americans to have these people as neighbors, risking their daughters being abducted, raped, and murdered. The speaker states that neither the administration nor President Trump will sympathize with the terrorists who have invaded our homes.

The speaker asks Mr. Malnik how many deportations by the new administration would be objectionable. Malnik says a million would be a disaster, and two million would have severe negative ramifications, considering they would be law-abiding people who have been in the country for decades. The speaker states that President Obama deported nearly 5,000,000 people and asks if Malnik believes Obama was immoral and inappropriate for doing so. The speaker wants Malnik to state on social media that Obama did a horrible disservice to those he deported and was as wrong-minded as Republicans who want to secure the border and deport people. The speaker argues that one cannot be okay with one president deporting people but not another.

There's a clear legal path to get one guy back, but what about all the other people? People are upset about illegal immigration, but who cleans hotel rooms, provides food, washes dishes, and does gardening? Immigrants are here through grit and will to give their families a better chance. White men in America are 45 times more likely to commit a violent crime than an immigrant. The media says to appeal to white voters, but Joe Biden, an 81-year-old Catholic from Scranton, got 81,000,000 votes by challenging Trumpian sentiments and showing empathy for transgender people and immigrants. If president, the speaker would call the president of El Salvador and demand they send people back or face invasion, because what they're doing is a crime.

The speaker accuses the leftist media of advocating for criminals, terrorists, and illegal aliens who commit crimes, while ignoring the American people. They highlight Cory Booker's plan to organize a delegation to El Salvador to advocate for the release of an individual, contrasting it with Democrats' alleged unwillingness to advocate for American hostages in Gaza. The speaker questions why Democrats defend criminal illegal aliens and those with low morality, suggesting a psychological study on this tendency. They claim Trump focuses on American safety and bringing hostages home, while Democrats prioritize criminals and open borders, blocking the deportation of gang members. The clip features Cory Booker stating the Trump administration defies a court order regarding the return of an individual, paying El Salvador to detain people without due process. Booker argues this undermines due process rights for everyone, calling it a "democratic slippage." The initial speaker counters that the focus should be on the Democratic party facilitating illegal immigration and protecting violent gang members.