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Host: You mentioned at one point that CDC management actually prevented you from interviewing Conservative leader Pierre Pauli on your show. Can you describe what happened there? Guest: Well we I mean I basically wasn't allowed to pick the phone and and talk to conservatives. I have some g chats here which I just want to you know read you part of this. I'm talking to my senior producer I'm saying okay, you know this is an editorial discussion. Can we get a Conservative perspective on this is essentially what I'm saying. It is a no to the Conservatives I'm told. We can't chase anyone from the entire party. The chase is with P and P. So if power and politics is not able to secure a conservative, or, you know, somebody that presents an alternate perspective, then we are not allowed to. I'm told at one point we're sure that there's a myriad of other types of interesting guests that you can chase outside of the Conservatives. Can I be included on conversations with power and politics? That's not how we work. I say to management by playing petty office politics we feed into Conservative narratives that we have a bias against them. Canada tonight is a melting pot of news of the day and politics and decisions, from it largely impact Canadians. So we need flexibility to to respond to emerging stories. So yes, I wasn't even allowed to pick up the phone and call to request Pierre Pauliev. Host: Look at what happened when I had Melissa Lanceman on my show, right? That I was threatened to be pulled off the air which CBC then said in a news statement they didn't threaten to do that. There are recordings of them trying to do this. Why Guest: I mean there's an effort to essentially, protect those in Ottawa in in terms of their perspectives on these things, in terms of who they want on the show. It should be about you know, we did an interview with Karen Johnson, my cohost on the new podcast I'm doing. She's another former CBC employee that is talking about the toxic culture. She said that she alleges that she was called a brown Barbie, a bimbo, but she says that it's it's a very high school culture. And these are things that this is fine if you if you have hosts doing that it's not fine but it okay but management you are responsible for dealing with that and so if management is not going to do anything, if the President of the CBC is going to come here and expect a tongue lashing and then be able to go back to the CBC and continue to get funding without accountability, these practices will continue. So shame is clearly not enough to get the CBC to a place where they will hold themselves accountable so it's incumbent upon this committee to do that.

There's an article in The Wall Street Journal today about, Kimmel. And I said this last week on News Nation that this Kimmel suspension and then reinsertment into the ABC lineup wasn't what the press was reporting. It had nothing to do with freedom of speech at all. And the journal today, lays out what I said last week, is that the talent agencies in Los Angeles, all left wing, 100%, threatened Disney and Bob Iger and said, if you don't put Kenmel back on the air, a lot of our clients are not gonna do business with you. That means you're not gonna get actors and producers and writers and directors. Take it to another studio. Eiger surrendered on the spot, and then Kimmel went back. Now think about that. Think about the power that the left in Hollywood has to bring a company like Disney to its knees

FCC chairman Brendan Carr explains that "Broadcasters are different than any other form of communication, including here." "Fox News doesn't have an FCC license. CNN doesn't." But "ABC, CBS, NBC, those broadcast stations do. And with that license comes a unique obligation to operate in the public interest." He says the FCC "walked away from enforcing that public interest obligation," and that "I don't think we're better off as a country for it." He notes that "President Trump ran directly at these legacy broadcast outlets, and he exposed them to these market forces." Affiliates said, "we're tired of carrying this stuff." "Late night shows, something's gone seriously awry there." They went from going for applause from laugh lines to applause lines, from court gestures that would make fun of everybody in power to being court clerics and enforcing a very narrow political ideology. Nexstar "stood up and said, look, we have the license and we don't want to run this anymore." Sinclair did the same thing. "There’s more work to go, but I'm very glad to see that America's broadcasters are standing up to serve the interest of their community." "We don't just have this progressive coming out from New York and Hollywood."

"Speaker 0: 'You know, when you look at the conduct that has taken place by Jimmy Kimmel, it appears to be some of the sickest conduct possible.' He notes 'avenues here for the FCC' and says this is not an isolated incident, citing Swalwell's tweet that 'Charlie Kirk's killer was a straight white male from a Republican family that voted for Donald Trump.' He alleges Kimmel 'to play into that narrative that this was somehow a MAGA or Republican motivated person.' He stresses broadcasters 'have a license granted by us at the FCC, and that comes with it an obligation to operate in the public interest.' He explains two buckets: 'national programmers' and licensed TV stations, and says 'news distortion' and 'broadcast hoaxes' are prohibitions. Potential actions include 'suspension,' fines, or 'license revocation.' He notes Disney will have a chance to 'put in, their arguments' before a vote."

Speaker 0 describes the news about Jimmy Kimmel as a watershed moment, stating "The news about Jimmy Kimmel, I think, is, a pretty watershed moment." They say, "I think we all need to be talking about," and "We actually and it's not just a media story." They insist "it's not just a media story" and frame it as a democracy and freedom of speech issue: "It's a democracy story. It's a freedom of speech story. It's so many things." They claim, "We're make regularly making sure social media platforms are aware of the latest narratives." They conclude, "You shouldn't be banned from one platform and not others, if you for, providing misinformation out there."

That is why we exist, not to knuckle under, not to do what we're told, but to stand up and to say, listen, if you want to pull these licenses, then we're going to go to court and we'll be in the court of public opinion. But you don't get to go on a podcast and set policy for American media, for an American media institution that's been around a lot longer than me, you or Donald Trump. This a red line that has been crossed for our industry, for the First Amendment, for the right of people to speak. There was nothing hateful about And what was even hateful speech is protected. This is this is not acceptable.

"President President Trump ran directly at these legacy broadcast outlets, and he exposed them to these market forces." "It would it was not remotely market market forces. The market was operating before. It was pure government coercion and threats from Brendan Carr and from Donald Trump and the brow beating of corporations who need the FCC's approval for various broadcast licenses and so on to go and do this." "He is openly broadcasting the fact that this was what we call under the First Amendment viewpoint discrimination. He doesn't like what they're saying." "Under the First Amendment to the constitution of The United States, you have the right to engage in speech that is distasteful and offensive and disagreeable to other people."

Speaker 0 thanks people who don't support his show but back his right to share beliefs, naming Shapiro, Clay Travis, Candace Owen s, Mitch McConnell, Rand Paul, and Ted Cruz, who 'believe it or not, said something very beautiful on my behalf.' Speaker 1 declares, 'I hate what Jimmy Kimmel said. I am thrilled that he was fired,' then corrects, 'Oh, wait. Not that. The other part.' They warn that if the government bans media for not saying what it likes, 'That will end up bad for conservatives.' Speaker 0 agrees, 'Ted Cruz is right. He's absolutely right,' and muses, 'If Ted Cruz can't speak freely, then he can't cast spells on the Smurfs.' Despite disagreements, they praise those who spoke out against the administration, credit their courage, and urge followers that government cannot be allowed to control what we say on television and that we must stand up to it.

ABC suspended his late night show indefinitely; he was spotted storming out of the studio and hopping into a getaway car. 'Jimmy Kimmel was fired because he had bad ratings more than anything else, and he said a horrible thing about a great gentleman known as Charlie Kirk.' 'Kimmel said, no way, Bob.' 'Charlie Kirk's body isn't even buried.' 'Almost half of ABC's affiliates were threatening to blackout his show that night.' 'Advertisers were burning up the phones.' 'Disney boss, Bob Iger, wanted Kimmel to apologize.' 'Kimmel's monologue... took aim at MAGA.' 'This is a red alert moment.' 'Charlie Kirk got murdered in cold blood for speaking his mind.' 'This isn't about censorship, this is about math.' 'Kimmel's ratings have dropped; he assassinated his own numbers.' 'This could have all been avoided if Kimmel had just cleaned it up the next night.'

Ten years ago, this sounded crazy. Brendan Carr, the chairman of the FCC, telling an American company, we can do this the easy way or the hard way, and that these companies can find ways to change conduct and take action on Kimmel, or there's going to be additional work for the FCC ahead, in addition to being a direct violation of the First Amendment, is not a particularly intelligent threat to make in public. Ted Cruz said he sounded like a mafioso. Although, I don't know. If you wanna hear a mob boss make a threat like that, you have to hide a microphone in a deli and park outside in a van with a tape recorder all night long. This genius said it on a podcast. Brendan Carr is the most embarrassing car Republicans have embraced since this one, and that's saying something. The FCC

The discussion centers on fired comedians and Roseanne. Speaker 0 says, “these are my jokes,” then, “Because she's the one that got me fired. You know? Michelle? Yeah. She's the one that called ABC and said I had to go Are you serious?” The exchange notes, “Racist tweet. Yeah. Really?” and, “Michelle Obama. She said it. It's gotta true.” He adds, “Bob Iger, who fired me, said his first phone call was to Valerie Jarrett to apologize to her, and that Michelle Obama also got on the phone with them, and that Obama called him afterward to thank him for firing me. So that's in the paper.” “Iger's many interviews where he talked about it.” On Roseanne, “the biggest story of the day today was Roseanne,” and “ABC decided to cancel their highest rated show, Roseanne, following… a tweet… to an ape.” ABC calls it “abhorrent, repugnant, and inconsistent with our values, and we've decided to cancel her show.” Barr speaks of being fired as a “witch burning,” notes The Connors killed her character, saying, “they killed my character… 28,000,000 viewers.”