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"New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, The Nation, Mother Jones, GLAAD." "Breitbart, Daily Caller, Epic Times, Fox News, New York Post, The Federalist." "Anti defamationally gets a green light." "Only for some. Yes. If you're reporting about the about the Arab Israeli conflict? Yes. You may not cite them." "You can't you can't find the Jewish perspective on the war so easily anymore on Wikipedia." "There is a a serious academic encyclopedia of Christianity that is not allowed on Wikipedia." "Daily Caller not allowed." "Life site news not allowed." "Sputnik, of course, not allowed." "TV Guide allowed." "The Uns review not allowed." "TV Guide totally cool." "Uns. V dare not allow." "Mister x is the name of his account." "This is obviously huge news."

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The speaker discusses how Wikipedia's model works well for contentious topics like politics and religion because it focuses on the best knowledge available rather than absolute truth. They suggest that seeking common ground and understanding different perspectives may be more productive than trying to convince others of a single truth. Each person's truth is influenced by their background, upbringing, and perception by others, leading to multiple truths coexisting.

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Google's AI shows bias by favoring democratic views over republican ones, censoring certain political figures like RFK Junior, while allowing others like Fauci. It also provides information unequally on Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The founders of Google are Jewish and support Israel. This raises concerns about Google's impact on democracy.

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"There is a reliable sources group essentially that debates it." "There are PR firms, just for example, that do nothing but edit articles on Wikipedia in order to be able to insert desired factoids according to how people pay them, essentially." "It's called paid editing." "There are 833 administrators as they're called." "16 bureaucrats who can name the cops." "Only nine, fourteen point five percent are named." "85% of the most powerful accounts on Wikipedia on the editorial side are anonymous." "They can libel people with impunity as they do you." "There is no legal recourse because they are anonymous." "The Wikimedia Foundation enjoys section two thirty immunity, which means it can't be sued in The United States."

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Larry Sanger explains Wikipedia’s origin with Jimmy Wales, stating "I coined the name Wikipedia" and that he drafted policies like "the neutrality policy" to "summarize knowledge fairly and without bias." He notes the project later aligned with center-left media, and the "neutral point of view" now "discourages giving equal validity to, minority view, fringe theory, or extraordinary claims." Conservatives were pushed out; "85% of the most powerful accounts on Wikipedia are anonymous" and "the Wikimedia Foundation enjoys section two thirty immunity." The "perennial sources page" blacklist blocks Breitbart, Daily Caller, Epic Times, Fox News, New York Post, The Federalist. Sanger’s nine theses: 1 end decision making by consensus; 2 enable competing articles; 3 abolish source blacklists; 4 revive the original neutrality policy; 5 repeal ignore all rules; 6 reveal who Wikipedia's leaders are; 7 let the public rate articles; 8 end indefinite blocking; 9 adopt a legislative process.

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Wikipedia, the web-based encyclopedia, was founded on the idea of crowd-sourced, user-generated content. However, concerns have been raised about political bias in its editing process. While Wikipedia claims to be open to anyone editing, there is evidence of left-leaning bias among its administrators. Reliable sources on the left are deemed acceptable, while conservative outlets are often rejected. Examples of bias include downplaying violence by the Antifa movement and minimizing the atrocities of socialism and communism. Attempts to correct these biases are quickly reverted. Despite its popularity, many are skeptical of the political neutrality of Wikipedia and have stopped donating to the platform.

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Wikipedia initially adopted a neutrality policy from Nootenia and made significant efforts to maintain it for its first five years. However, over the past 10 to 15 years, it has gradually shifted towards a leftist perspective, particularly in political articles. This change mirrors the broader trends in news media, which have increasingly moved to the left. As a result, Wikipedia has excluded many conservative news sources and blogs from its references. This evolution has been surprising, especially considering the noticeable shift towards a center-left viewpoint that was already evident by 2010.

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Wikipedia's model works well even in contentious areas like politics and religion because contributors focus on the best of what we can know, not necessarily "the truth." Seeking the truth and convincing others of it may not be the right approach for tricky disagreements. A reverence for the truth might distract from finding common ground. The speaker is not saying the truth doesn't exist or isn't important, but that different people have different truths. These truths often result from merging facts with beliefs, and are based on factors like background, upbringing, and how others perceive us.

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Wikipedia's model works well in contentious areas like politics and religion because contributors focus on the best of what we can know right now, not necessarily on "the truth." After working with Wikipedia contributors, the speaker believes that seeking the truth and convincing others of it might not be the right approach for tricky disagreements. Reverence for the truth may distract from finding common ground. The speaker is not saying the truth doesn't exist or isn't important, but that different people have different truths. Truth is often what happens when we merge facts about the world with our beliefs about the world. These differing truths are based on factors like background, upbringing, and how others perceive us.

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A congresswoman questioned Miss Mar about her public statements and social media posts, which the congresswoman characterized as left-wing ideology and opposition to free speech. The congresswoman cited Mar's past role as head of Wikipedia, which she claimed doesn't tell the truth, and statements calling Donald Trump a "deranged racist and sociopath" and America "addicted to white supremacy." The congresswoman also criticized Mar for chastising the use of "boy and girl" and for calling the First Amendment the "number one challenge in American journalism." The congresswoman asked Mar if it was up to her or NPR to crack down on bad information and decide the truth. Mar stated she is a strong believer in free speech. The congresswoman then referenced a 2021 Atlantic Council event where Mar said she took a very active approach to disinformation and misinformation as CEO of Wikipedia, censoring information through conversations with government during the COVID pandemic and the 2020 election. The congresswoman asked if those governments included the Biden administration. Mar stated that Wikipedia never censored any information.

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Free and open principles, originating from the open-source community, were initially seen as foundational. However, it's argued that this approach is limited in achieving broader goals. Despite good intentions, free and open models, particularly in Wikipedia, often replicate existing offline power structures. Wikipedia, it's claimed, reconstructed knowledge around the Western canon, leading to the exclusion of languages and communities. The emphasis on reliable sources and written tradition favors cultures with such traditions. Notability standards are said to reflect a Westernized construct, influencing whose voices are elevated. Therefore, radical openness allegedly failed to fulfill its intended potential.

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Free and open principles, originating from the open-source community, were initially seen as foundational. However, it's now believed that this perspective is limited relative to broader goals. Despite good intentions, free and open approaches, particularly in Wikipedia, often replicated existing offline power structures. Wikipedia inadvertently rebuilt knowledge around the Western canon, excluding communities and languages due to its reliance on "reliable sources." The emphasis on a written tradition, specific to certain cultures, and the concept of notability, often reflect a Westernized construct that favors certain voices. Radical openness, therefore, did not fully realize its intended potential.

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Goal of the day is to teach people how to edit in Wikipedia, which is the number one source of information today in the world. As a way of example, if someone searches the Gaza Flotilla, we wanna be there. We wanna be the the guys who influence what is written there, how it's written, and to ensure that it's balanced and Zionist in their nature. Three days after the US Congress action, the House Oversight Committee demanded Wikipedia turn over identifying info for users who may be spreading anti Israel content based on a report from our ADL. Screenshots show: "we seek your assistance in obtaining documents and communications regarding individuals or specific accounts serving as Wikipedia volunteer editors who violated Wikipedia platform policies as well as your own efforts to thwart intentional organized efforts to inject bias into important and sensitive topics." Also: "one recent report raised troubling questions about potentially systematic efforts to advance anti Semitic and anti Israel information in Wikipedia articles related to conflicts with the state of Israel." Records show identifying characteristics of accounts, IP addresses, registration dates, user activity logs for editors subject to ARBCOMM, analysis by Wikimedia Foundation, patterns of manipulation or bias related to antisemitism and conflicts with the state of Israel. Jen and Munis: "Many of the people on that committee claimed to be anti censorship during Biden's tenure. The brazen hypocrisy is almost unbearable." Squirrel: "the Israeli regime regime's propaganda complex has dedicated courses and entire teams focused on editing Wikipedia so that it reflects their genocidal worldview." A Nico Haus video argues this is "the exact same thing that Israel themselves have been doing for literal years." Jonathan Greenblatt, CEO of the ADL, says that Wikipedia just isn't scientist enough for the ADL's life; "18 times more likely a small group of people to communicate in their group communications," tandem editing, and "30 or so people are able to manipulate articles on antisemitism, on Israel, on The Middle East." Naftali Bennett: "Wet'suftiyeh, in conjunction with my Israel, has arranged instruction day for wiki editors. The goal of the day is to teach people how to edit in Wikipedia, which is the number one source of information today in the world. As a way of example, if someone searches the Gaza Flotilla, we wanna be there. We wanna be the the guys who influence what is written there, how it's written, and to ensure that it's balanced and, Zionist in their nature." They claim Wikipedia protects Zionists and still omits key facts, such as regarding October 7 or the West Bank, and conclude with a pointed remark about genocide.

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Wikipedia inherited its neutrality policy from Nupedia and initially made a strong effort to maintain it for about five years. However, over time, it has shifted towards what some perceive as leftist propaganda, particularly in political articles. This change aligns with the broader shift in news media over the past 10 to 15 years, which has seen a decline in conservative sources and an increase in left-leaning perspectives. The evolution of Wikipedia's content has mirrored this media landscape shift, leading to a noticeable center-left bias by around 2010.

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Speaker 0 explains that Grok uses heavy inference compute to examine information across formats such as Wikipedia pages, books, PDFs, and websites to determine what is true, partially true, false, or missing. It then rewrites the page to remove falsehoods, correct the half truths, and add the missing context. Speaker 1 adds Elon’s question about publishing that process and proposes the idea of a Grokopedia. He notes that Wikipedia is biased and described as “a constant war,” with content that gets corrected quickly facing an army of people trying to mean it. He suggests that if what Grok fixes on Wikipedia could be published as a source of truth, it would be valuable for the world to have it. Speaker 0 responds by saying he will talk to the team about that concept, mentioning Grokpedia or whatever they might call it, and provides a Grokpedia version as a concrete example.

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"Goal of the day is to teach people how to edit in Wikipedia, which is the number one source of information today in the world." "The house oversight committee demanded Wikipedia turnover identifying info for users who may be spreading anti Israel content based on a report from who else? Our friends at the ADL." "one recent report raised troubling questions about potentially systematic efforts to advance anti Semitic and anti Israel information in Wikipedia articles related to conflicts with the state of Israel." "the Israeli regime regime's propaganda complex has dedicated courses and entire teams focused on editing Wikipedia so that it reflects their genocidal worldview." "Go to Wikipedia right now. Look up October 7 and see if there is any mention of the literal thousands of Palestinians who have been held hostage."

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History is shaped by those who control Wikipedia editing. Losers have time to edit Wikipedia, influencing the narrative.

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Google's AI shows bias by favoring Democratic views over Republican ones, censoring certain political figures, and providing unequal information on Israel-Palestine conflict. The AI struggles with generating content in the style of certain individuals deemed harmful. The founders of Google are Jewish and support Israel. This bias raises concerns about democracy and censorship.

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Speaker 0: Wikipedia is a propaganda operation, and one of its founders told me that the CIA or the American intel community is heavily involved in shaping the message, on Wikipedia. Did you come across evidence of that? Speaker 1: On the weaponization working group, as it's described by attorney general Bondi and the president's direction, intelligence community is one of the groups who was weaponized against the people, obviously. It's obvious. The question is, how are we gonna get to the bottom of it? Right? How are gonna get to the bottom of some of the weaponization of the government intelligence community against the citizens? And that's what I that's where I'm going now.

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- Wikipedia's most powerful editors remain overwhelmingly anonymous despite wielding enormous influence over one of the world's most powerful media platforms. These leaders must be publicly identified for accountability and given liability insurance as, you know, as volunteers of nonprofits often are. - I don't think it's widely known that 85% of the most powerful accounts on Wikipedia are anonymous. - Wikipedia should implement a public rating and feedback system allowing readers to evaluate articles. They can't do that now. They don't have a comment section. They don't have any sort of rating section. - End indefinite blocking. Wikipedia's practice of blocking accounts permanently is unjust and ideologically motivated. In a period of two weeks, 47% of the blocks that had been done by Wikipedia were indefinite. - Indefinite blocks should be extremely rare and require multiple administrators to agree, with an appeal process for permanent blocks.

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Wikipedia initially adopted a neutrality policy from Nootenia and maintained a genuine effort at neutrality for its first five years. However, over the past decade, it has shifted towards a leftist perspective, particularly in political articles. This change aligns with the broader leftward trend in mainstream news media, which has increasingly excluded conservative sources. As a result, Wikipedia's content has reflected this shift, moving away from a more balanced viewpoint. Even a decade ago, signs of this decline towards a center-left bias were evident.

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Speaker explains how to find Wikipedia's blacklist by typing perennial sources, Wikipedia into any search engine; the first result is the page, and it names them the blacklist. It’s color coded: Green means fully approved; red means blacklisted. Fully greenlit sources include New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, The Nation, Mother Jones, GLAAD. Blacklisted sources include Breitbart, Daily Caller, Epic Times, Fox News, New York Post, The Federalist. Red means it's blacklisted; you cannot cite it as a source of facts, maybe as a source of opinion. Anti defamationally gets a green light, only for some; if you're actually reporting about the Arab-Israeli conflict, you may not cite them. You can't find the Jewish perspective on the war so easily anymore on Wikipedia. Catholic hierarchy celebrity. There's a serious academic encyclopedia of Christianity that is not allowed on Wikipedia. Daily Caller not allowed. Life site news not allowed. Sputnik not allowed. TV Guide allowed. The Uns review not allowed. Mister x is the name of his account; it’s edited by a whole bunch of other people.

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Jimmy Wales: Wikipedia | Lex Fridman Podcast #385
Guests: Jimmy Wales
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In this conversation, Lex Fridman interviews Jimmy Wales, co-founder of Wikipedia, discussing the origins, philosophy, and future of the platform. Wales emphasizes that Wikipedia has never bowed to government pressure and maintains a commitment to neutrality and community-driven content. He recounts the initial inspiration for Wikipedia, which stemmed from the success of the open-source software movement, leading to the realization that collaborative knowledge creation could extend beyond software to cultural works like encyclopedias. Wales describes the early challenges faced with Nupedia, which aimed for a rigorous academic approach but struggled to produce content. This frustration led to the creation of Wikipedia, where a more open model allowed for rapid contributions and collaboration. He highlights the excitement of early contributors who could easily add to entries, fostering a sense of community and engagement. The discussion touches on the evolution of Wikipedia's interface and the technical challenges faced in its early days, including issues with user identity and linking. Wales notes that the platform has grown to include advanced features like Wikidata, which allows for dynamic updates across multiple languages. Wales reflects on the philosophical question of what constitutes an encyclopedia, emphasizing that Wikipedia aims to summarize all human knowledge rather than provide exhaustive texts. He contrasts this with other cultural practices, such as the inclusion of recipes in French encyclopedias, which are less common in English. The conversation also addresses the impressive scale of Wikipedia, with millions of articles and billions of words, and the ongoing debate about notability and the inclusion of various topics. Wales acknowledges the challenges of maintaining neutrality and balancing diverse perspectives, especially on controversial subjects. Wales discusses the impact of social media and the importance of credible sources, expressing concern over misinformation and the challenges posed by platforms that prioritize engagement over accuracy. He emphasizes the need for Wikipedia to remain a trusted source of information, free from external pressures. The interview concludes with Wales sharing his vision for Wikipedia's future, highlighting the potential for AI and machine learning to enhance the platform's capabilities. He expresses optimism about the continued growth of Wikipedia, particularly in underrepresented languages, and the importance of fostering a diverse and inclusive community of contributors. Ultimately, Wales believes that Wikipedia's mission to provide free access to knowledge is more vital than ever in an increasingly complex information landscape.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: CIA Infiltration, Banning Conservatives, & How to Fix the Internet
Guests: Larry Sanger
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Controlling the narrative of the internet, Wikipedia looms as a modern steward of collective memory, and this interview with Larry Sanger traces how it came to shape what millions believe. Sanger explains that Jimmy Wales hired him to launch Nupedia, but a friend introduced Wikis, and the idea of open editing blossomed into Wikipedia. The project relaunched under wikipedia.com on January 15, 2001, and Sanger coined the name while shaping early policies, including a neutrality rule meant to summarize the consensus of reliable sources rather than publish original research. Over time, the neutrality framework evolved. NPOV requires representing all significant views from reliable sources, but critics note that it discourages minority or fringe views. Sanger describes how, in the early years, Wikipedia tried to be a neutral plane for diverse beliefs, yet from about 2012 onward the center-left establishment’s voice grew dominant as mainstream media itself shifted. Conservatives felt pushed out, and editors with ideological disagreements could be blocked or sidelined. The system also relies on paid editing, anonymity, and a 230 immunity shield that limits legal remedies for misconduct. Sanger enumerates the governance anatomy: 833 administrators, 16 bureaucrats, and 49 Czech users, with 15 members of an arbitration committee. He notes that 62 accounts wield key editorial power, yet only 14.5 percent are named, leaving 85 percent anonymous. He describes how the Wikimedia Foundation enjoys section 230 immunity, limiting liability, while anonymous editors can libel people with impunity. He cites the perennial sources blacklist, listing Breitbart, Fox News, NY Post, and others as non-citable, and explains the influence of Google in the early era, where Wikipedia pages fed into Google’s rankings and created a feedback loop that boosted its prominence. To address these dynamics, Sanger outlines nine theses proposing structural reform: end decision by consensus, enable competing articles, abolish source blacklists, revive original neutrality, repeal ignore all rules, reveal Wikipedia’s leaders, let the public rate articles, end indefinite blocking, and adopt a legislative process with an editorial assembly. He argues for a return to a genuine, pluralistic big-tent encyclopedia, the possibility of multiple viewpoints, and accountability through identifiable leadership and institutional reform. He also urges organized reform efforts by conservatives, libertarians, and affected communities to push for a constitutional convention within Wikipedia.

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What Wikipedia Teaches Us About Balancing Truth and Beliefs | Katherine Maher | TED
Guests: Katherine Maher
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Katherine Maher, former CEO of the Wikimedia Foundation, discusses the rise in trust for Wikipedia amid a global crisis of disinformation and declining public trust in institutions. Wikipedia's model of volunteer editing and transparency fosters collaboration and deliberation, allowing it to adapt to changing perspectives. Maher emphasizes the importance of seeking "minimum viable truth" over absolute truth, which can lead to divisiveness. She highlights how productive friction in discussions can enhance understanding and trust. By prioritizing shared power, clear rules, and inclusivity, organizations can build trust and effectively address complex issues together.
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