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The conversation opens with Speaker 0 arguing that there is no climate catastrophe or climate emergency. They claim that the threat narrative is pervasive, describing “tentacles” extending across the public sector, private sector, and academia. The speaker asserts that politicians, exemplified by Mark Carney, use fear mongering to secure votes, and notes that this phenomenon is seen globally, predominantly in left-leaning governments. According to Speaker 0, the climate discourse represents self-sabotage and economic suicide. They describe economies as being strangled by a left-wing agenda, contending that such forces are shaping markets, national policy, media output, education, and financial flows. The overarching claim is that this agenda is about power and control, with fear mongering used to imply a climate catastrophe. The transcript then shifts to a brief interlude welcoming Desiree Fixler. Desiree Fixler is thanked for joining again, with a note that much has happened since their last chat.

We are being misled with exaggerated information about a climate crisis that doesn't exist. Human carbon dioxide emissions are not proven to cause global warming, as only 3% of emissions are from humans. The focus on climate change is driven by money, not environmental concerns. Expensive electricity bills and job insecurity are direct results of this deception. This is a major scam not supported by science.

Speaker 0 notes that the energy solutions list for energy-hungry data centers was short and contained one thing: gas. They ask why not gas and renewables. Speaker 1 responds: "the what one has to appreciate is the intensity of energy." As an engineer, they state: "the mix of energy doesn't matter. How much is wind? How much solar? We like to advertise that. Kilohounces matter because energy intensity has to shift, not the mix." They argue that solar power cannot produce cement or steel and that "they are very energy intensive." Therefore, "you still need a gas based heating or" (implying gas is necessary). They add: "Physics. It's against physics. Fine. Absolutely. Physics don't allow do it." They emphasize evaluating energy mix changes in the context of "jewels of energy," noting the world still needs to progress and must build infrastructure—steel, cement, fuels. The challenge is how to change the energy mix while also building data centers and consuming more energy. They describe the current problem as "single threaded with the gas fired power plant, maybe a little bit of nuclear. Nuclear? Renewable remain in the mix, cannot bring the amount of jewels we need to produce this infrastructure which is required in the world."

The speaker discusses the limitations of relying solely on wind, solar, and battery power for an industrialized economy. They mention the high cost of battery storage for renewable energy, emphasizing the need for base load power to ensure a reliable energy grid. The speaker stresses the importance of practical solutions over fantasy thinking in addressing energy needs.

The speaker questions the motives behind authority and suggests that a cult benefits from people believing in climate change. They argue that carbon dioxide is essential for life and that it is being wrongly portrayed as a pollutant. The speaker claims that the push for renewable energy is financially unfeasible and will lead to a proxy war between Russia and the West. They also discuss the manipulation of the food chain, with Bill Gates buying up farmland and targeting farmers. The speaker believes that these actions are part of a larger agenda to dismantle Western society.

The speaker, a founder of a well-known environmental organization, expresses concern about the Green New Deal. They argue that phasing out 85% of the world's and US's energy from coal, oil, and natural gas within 10 years would lead to the end of civilization. The speaker believes that nuclear power and hydroelectric dams could replace these energy sources, but environmentalists oppose them. They claim that the Green New Deal opposes 98.5% of electricity and 100% of transportation energy. The speaker also highlights the challenges of feeding the global population without fossil fuels and transporting food to cities. They warn of agricultural collapse, starvation, and the depletion of trees if fossil fuels were banned worldwide. The speaker criticizes the idea of banning aircraft and fossil fuel vehicles.

The speaker criticizes climate czar John Kerry, calling him an 80-year-old who doesn't care about the future and is out of touch with reality. They argue that leaders around the world ignore Kerry's calls to eliminate coal-fired power plants because they prioritize their economies and feeding their populations. The speaker also questions Kerry's knowledge of the advancements in emission scrubbers for coal plants. They highlight Vice President Kamala Harris's threat to punish those who deny climate science. The speaker interviews journalist Michael Shellenberger, who discusses the elites' open expression of their hatred for humanity and their desire to keep energy scarce. They mention the bullying of oil and gas companies by the ESG movement and the attack on cheap energy as an attack on modern civilization. The speaker expresses hope that people will realize the scam and the anti-human nature of the climate movement. They mention the resistance rising against environmentally destructive renewable energy projects and the potential downfall of Europe due to its overdependence on renewables.

Fossil fuels are better for the environment because without them, all the trees would have been cut down. They also save the whales because whale oil was used before fossil fuels. The climate change issue is about controlling energy resources. If everyone uses electricity, it all has to be mined, mostly by slave labor in communist countries owned by dictators. This is not necessarily better than fossil fuels, which make money for those who extract them, involving less exploitation. Scientists who say climate change is real only get grant money if they say climate change is real, while scientists who disagree with climate change have their budgets taken away and are blacklisted. Changing energy resources changes who controls the power in the world.

In this Wide Awake Media podcast conversation, host Didi Denslow and guest Ivor Cummins—a biochemical engineer, nutrition expert known as the Fat Emperor—discuss health paradigms, seed oils, geopolitics, and emerging technologies, with a recurring emphasis on waking up to structured power dynamics. Seeds oils and the “devil’s triad” - Cummins presents a framework he calls the “devil’s triad” to explain modern obesity and diabetes trends: sugars, refined grains or refined tweeds, and seed oils. He cites American data indicating 64% of adults over 45 are prediabetic or diabetic, suggesting the triad drives these conditions. Cutting out sugars, refined carbohydrates, and seed oils is portrayed as a path to reversing obesity and diabetes epidemics. - Seed oils are described as being extracted with hexane and solvents under high heat/pressure. They include sunflower, safflower, rapeseed (and other seed-derived oils). He states they are high in omega-6 fats, used as signaling molecules in inflammatory processes, and should be kept to very low dietary levels (current US intake around 15% of calories versus a recommended under 0.5%). He notes issues in processing: hydrogenation and molecular damage, plus deodorizing, bleaching, and color adjustments that mask natural signals to avoid consumption. - He contrasts seed oils with natural fats from real foods: olives (olive oil), animal fats like lard and tallow, and butter, which are deemed acceptable. He references historical and industry context: seed oils originated from lubricants used in engines (and later hydrogenated for food), with Crisco marking their rise; he attributes a shift in public health trends to decisions in the mid- to late-20th century, including influential thoughts by Ancel Keys on saturated fats. - The discussion also touches the economics and incentives: seed oils are cheap, shelf-stable, and favored by global supply chains and processed foods; this is linked to industry strategies and ties between food, pharma, and academic funding. Some guests’ positions align on seed oils as a major driver of chronic disease, though Cummins also acknowledges the role of refined carbohydrates and sugars. Diet, personal change, and practical guidance - The host shares personal experience: eliminating seed oils improved health, including belly fat reduction. - Repertoire of alternative fats suggested includes high-quality olive oil, coconut oil, tallow, lard from well-raised pigs (with caveats about omega-6 content), and avocado oil as a more expensive option. Geopolitics, digital identity, and cultural shifts - Digital ID and civil liberties: Ireland’s progress toward digital ID is discussed, illustrating a “boiling frog” dynamic: government IDs exist but may become mandatory over time. Cummins underscores civil disobedience, awareness, and lobbying as means to resist, arguing that politicians report to higher, unelected networks. He asserts EU structures (EU Commission, European Parliament) mimic Soviet-era governance, creating a centralized power apparatus. - Hate speech law in Ireland: Cummins describes an earlier hate speech framework (1986 incitement to hatred) as effective, and a proposed newer framework with broad, protected classes as a potential threat to civil rights, warning that the pre-crime model resembles Minority Report, 1984, and Brave New World. He suggests public scrutiny of whom politicians report to. - Global networks and governance: The conversation invokes a historical view of global power networks (Rhodes, Milner, Rothschilds, Rockefellers) and institutions like the Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, and the CIA. Cummins sees these organizations as orchestrating global policy and economy, with a current sense of tension due to BRICS dynamics, shifting American leadership, and challenges to the old oligarchies. - Immigration and demographic strategy: He cites Denmark, Hungary, Poland, and Switzerland as examples with restrictive immigration policies and self-sufficiency requirements. Denmark, for instance, is highlighted for its stringent residency rules and crime data transparency on migrants. He contrasts Ireland’s relatively permissive approach to immigration with these models, discussing the Kalergi Plan as a shorthand for a demographic strategy, and argues there has been a deliberate, years-long push to alter European demographics, partly framed by climate discourse and social narratives. - Climate narrative and AI: Cummins notes perceived weaknesses in the climate-change narrative, acknowledging growing awareness and industry signals that climate policies may be economically unsustainable. He predicts data centers and AI infrastructure will continue to drive energy demand, while asserting AI is a tool with significant rote-task capability but no true sentience. He argues the public is increasingly skeptical about climate catastrophism, while acknowledging the real-world shift toward data-driven, centralized control. Solutions and events - Awareness and education are repeatedly stressed as essential first steps. Cummins envisions a non-conspiratorial, docudrama-style approach to explain power politics and history, aiming to reach a mass audience with credible, non-fringe framing. - Concrete steps discussed include focusing on Denmark-like models for immigration policy, local and national political engagement (email campaigns to MPs, peaceful in-person events like Ireland’s IRL forum), and media reform initiatives to counterbalance globalist influence. - He promotes practical financial preparedness (physical gold and silver) as protective measures amid expected market volatility and potential fiat-currency depreciation. Closing note - The interview ends with a reiteration to avoid seed oils, stay awake, and engage in informed civic action. The speakers emphasize a broad, systemic view of health, governance, and technology, urging proactive public discourse and engagement to influence policy directions.

The speaker notes that 'the climate change hysteria has sort of magically gone away' and offers two theories: 'the climate hysteria was astroturfed' with 'funding got pulled with Biden out,' or that 'there's so much money to be made in AI that no one wants to criticize the energy industry anymore.' They add that 'climate change was always a luxury belief in Europe but Europe is having financial problems.' The speaker argues that 'the data has been so not cooperating now for several years and we don't have we just don't have the signs that they promise us' and says 'All data is fake,' questions 'measuring the temperature of the earth,' mentions 'No. We don't have like a new technology,' and concludes 'climate change I'm not expecting to make a big comeback but I could be wrong.'

The speaker claims that the current climate is not warmer than it has been in history, stating that the carbon dioxide levels are the lowest in 600 million years. They also mention that the medieval warm period was warmer than the present, but it was removed from the IPCC's reports to fit a specific narrative. The speaker criticizes the lack of media coverage for those who challenge this narrative, attributing it to the large amount of money invested in the climate change agenda.

The speaker, a long-time green energy supporter, was dismayed to learn about the environmental and human costs associated with green technologies. A single lithium mine allegedly creates millions of tons of waste annually, laced with sulfuric acid and radioactive uranium, polluting water for 300 years. Child labor is used to mine cobalt. Solar panels are allegedly made by laborers in razor wire enclosed camps exposed to quartz dust, causing silicosis. The Ethical Consumer Organization reports that forced labor in the solar panel supply chain is hard to avoid. Wind turbines consume vast resources, require diesel to start, gallons of oil to lubricate, and are hard to recycle. Solar panels are also extremely difficult to recycle, costing more than production. Lithium batteries pose steep challenges too. The speaker claims these "green" solutions are actually good marketing from the $1.5 trillion climate change industry. They urge people to prevent further escalation through unnecessary EVs and solar farms consuming farmland.

The speaker questions the need to spend 1.6 quadrillion dollars to remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, arguing that the low levels of carbon dioxide might actually be necessary for plant life. They highlight that during the period since 2015, when carbon emissions increased, temperature has actually gone down. The speaker suggests that the problem may not exist and accuses the other person of grifting. The other person disagrees, mentioning the difference between natural climate variations and human impact, and the global consensus on addressing climate change.

The speaker argues that the current climate is not warmer than previous periods in history. They claim that carbon dioxide levels are at their lowest in 600 million years. They also mention that the medieval warm period was warmer than the present, but this information was removed from the IPCC reports to fit a specific narrative. The speaker believes that those who challenge this narrative are not receiving media attention. They highlight the significant amount of money invested in the climate change narrative.

Speaker 0 believes climate change is not a hoax, noting the last ten years have been the warmest on record. They advocate for transforming the energy system from fossil fuels to sustainable energies to create jobs. Speaker 1 says the climate change issue is complicated, stating the Earth's temperature has never been static. They reference a Washington Post piece that found the Earth is in a cooling period. They cite scientists who have captured 485 million years of climate change data. Speaker 1 suggests there's a lot of money and control involved in the climate change emergency issue.

The speaker, a long-time green energy supporter, was dismayed to learn about the environmental and human costs associated with green technologies. A single lithium mine allegedly creates millions of tons of waste annually, laced with sulfuric acid and radioactive uranium, polluting water for 300 years. Child labor is used to mine cobalt. Solar panels are allegedly made by laborers in razor wire enclosed camps exposed to quartz dust, causing silicosis. The Ethical Consumer Organization reports that forced labor in the solar panel supply chain is hard to avoid. Wind turbines consume vast resources, require diesel to start, gallons of oil to lubricate, and are hard to recycle. Solar panels are also difficult to recycle, and lithium batteries pose challenges. The speaker claims these so-called green solutions are actually good marketing from the $1.5 trillion climate change industry. The speaker urges people to prevent the exponential escalation of these issues with unnecessary EVs and solar farms.

Speaker 0 contends that concerns over rising power bills due to AI data centers are about to worsen as BlackRock and Blackstone buy up local power utilities. The piece, attributed to The New American, claims globalist equity firms are acquiring local energy companies nationwide to support AI infrastructure, provoking pushback from ratepayers and regulators. The Associated Press is cited as reporting that private equity giants are purchasing utilities to power AI-driven data centers, raising ratepayer and regulator concerns, with Oregon Citizens Utility Board noting increased public discussion at Public Utility Commissions. Speaker 0 notes a widespread anxiety about electricity costs tied to aging and expanding power infrastructure, including lines, poles, transformers, and generators, as utilities harden for extreme weather. The narrative asserts that apart from general cost increases, the core issue is the AI race, and that large international asset firms are eager to back a technology with potential for surveillance, manipulation, and control, while also seeking strong returns on investment. It claims these firms have historically used monetary power to push corporate support for climate alarmism and transgender activism, and that BlackRock and Blackstone together controlled more than $13 trillion in assets (BlackRock about $12 trillion; Blackstone about $1.2 trillion). It states only the U.S. and China have GDPs larger than $13 trillion. Concrete buyouts and investments are listed: January 2024, Blackstone bought a 20% stake in Northern Indiana Public Service Company for $2.1 billion, with the utility planning to boost green energy production afterward. In January 2025, Blackstone outright bought Potomac Energy Center, a natural gas power plant in Loudoun County, Virginia, for $1 billion, described as Blackstone’s most recent investment in power infrastructure for AI. In March 2025, Wisconsin’s Public Service Commission approved the buyout of Superior Water, Light, and Power by Canada Pension Plan Investment Board and BlackRock subsidiary Global Infrastructure Partners, with BlackRock taking a 60% majority stake. A separate deal: Blackstone bought Hilltop Energy Center, a natural gas power plant in Pennsylvania, for $1 billion, with executives Bilal Khan and Mark Zhu describing the acquisition as AI-focused. Blackstone is also seeking regulatory permission to buy Albuquerque-based Public Service Company of New Mexico and Texas New Mexico PowerCo, while BlackRock and the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board’s attempted purchase of Minnesota Power faces regulatory turbulence; a Minnesota sale could determine how such firms expand in a sector linking households, data centers, and power sources. Speaker 0 adds that the rise of AI is providing these firms with an “excuse” to control infrastructure, and mentions Yuval Noah Harari and the WEF. It cites the WEF’s “you will own nothing” rhetoric and notes Harari’s hypothetical about future irrelevance, Neuralink, and a broader agenda including surveillance, ownership consolidation, and potential reductions in access to private property. It asserts Larry Fink of BlackRock is at the WEF and CFR, and that BlackRock’s broader investments include real estate, farmland, timberland, and single-family rental homes, as part of a “build to rent” scheme. The piece warns that one corporation controlling vast natural resources and power utilities amid rising prices would be disastrous, urging citizens to resist BlackRock’s influence. It contrasts China’s influence with BlackRock’s power, condemning ESG models and the World Economic Forum’s agenda toward a “great reset,” digital currency, digital ID, and reduced access to resources. Speaker 1 interjects with a separate 1999 statement about how genetic engineering will change us and implies a need to start conversations now, arguing that one direction relinquishes power to others while the other empowers individuals to fix themselves. Speaker 0 reiterates that the conversation centers on power, AI, and control, warning against allowing a single corporation to own essential resources. The closing note references the January 1999 statement on genetic engineering, while Speaker 1 emphasizes taking personal power to fix oneself, framing the discussion as a shift in responsibility.

The deindustrialization of Germany seems like a market, what, move towards insanity. Oh, And this remarkable situation where China and India are industrializing at a rate that leaves Europe and its negligible effect on the environment in the dust Right. And increasingly so and at an ever accelerating rate. All of the industry that's leaving Europe and the West in general is localizing in China and in India. China's building coal fired plants at a rate that's just staggering and we all breathe the same The whole bloody climate change narrative is a scam and a lie. It's not warming up, it's increased variability.

Speaker 0 asks what policies would slow droughts and flooding if fossil fuels aren't cut. Speaker 1 advocates for adaptation and mastering climate change through technology powered by fossil fuels, citing improved buildings and temperature controls as examples of how humans are dying less from climate disasters. Speaker 1 calls the climate change agenda a hoax related to global equity, noting opposition to carbon emissions and nuclear energy. Speaker 0 asks if increasing nuclear energy is a remedy, and Speaker 1 confirms support for it and removing government regulation. Speaker 0 questions if taller buildings and better HVAC systems are the solution. Speaker 1 says using fossil fuels to advance lives protects against all risks. Speaker 1 claims more people die from lack of energy access than climate change and that climate models are fabricated, referencing 1970s warnings of a global ice age. Speaker 1 concludes that focus should be on human flourishing, not carbon emissions.

The speaker believes climate change theory is a conspiracy and is "completely stupid." They claim the narrative that carbon dioxide controls world temperatures is false. According to the speaker, data shows world temperatures control carbon dioxide concentration, and CO2 has no effect. The speaker alleges the climate is cooling, citing satellite data. They accuse American and United Nations operations of producing fraudulent data by manipulating past temperatures to appear colder and present temperatures to appear warmer.

The speakers discuss the claim made by the IPCC that renewable energies can replace fossil fuels. They mention a report from 2011 that states renewable energies could provide 80% of global energy by mid-century. However, they argue that this claim is absurd and goes against common sense. Renewable energies only produce electricity, which accounts for 22% of global energy needs. Additionally, these energies are not constant and rely on factors like sunlight and wind. Therefore, they can only replace a fraction of fossil fuels, at most 8-10% of global energy consumption. They highlight that renewable energies are heavily subsidized and currently only provide 2% of global energy, not the claimed 80%.

They claim climate change is a mass delusion to push illogical ideas. The earth's coastlines have not moved in over 60 years. Temperature cycles have existed for thousands of years, with the sun being a major factor. Electric cars still rely on fossil fuels for production. Oil is seen as a renewable resource by some. The speaker rejects the idea of climate change and emphasizes human frailty as a strength, not a weakness.

The speaker addresses the topic of climate change, calling it a hoax and stating that it has nothing to do with the climate. They mention a 98% reduction in climate disaster deaths in the last century and claim that more people will die from cold temperatures than warm ones. They also criticize the building of a carbon capture pipeline on farmers' land using imminent domain, calling it unconstitutional. The speaker warns that the climate agenda is worse than COVID and compares it to a new religion that is replacing our modern way of life.

I'm the only person on the stage who isn't bought and paid for, so I can say this: the climate change agenda is a hoax. We need to declare an independent rule and acknowledge that the anti-carbon agenda is dampening our progress.

The speaker criticizes the claim of tripling solar and wind power, stating that despite spending trillions on these sources, they only account for 3% of global power. They argue that nuclear power, specifically fast reactors, could be a viable solution if not for regulatory barriers and environmental concerns. The speaker believes that nuclear power could provide enough energy for 2,700 years if used at current demand levels. They also criticize excessive use of lighting and wind farms, calling them misguided. The speaker expresses frustration with the lack of accountability in scientific research, particularly in climate science, suggesting that a large percentage of published papers in the field should not have been published.