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Today, the speaker discusses the transmission and viral load of vaccinated individuals compared to unvaccinated individuals. They mention the example of Israel, where a professor from Tel Aviv hospital stated that 75% of hospitalized patients were vaccinated. The speaker argues against the narrative that vaccinated individuals are solely responsible for immunity. They emphasize that the disease has a low mortality rate and question the need for continued booster shots. The other speaker counters by stating that vaccines protect against severe forms of the virus, particularly for those under 60 years old. The conversation ends with a disagreement about the percentage of vaccinated individuals in hospitals.

The speaker addresses the World Health Organization and argues that current measures like social distancing, hand hygiene, and surface disinfection are sufficient to control the spread of COVID-19. They believe that the scientific understanding of how the virus is transmitted will naturally improve over time.

One speaker states that you cannot conclude vaccines will do better than natural infection, although they can often do slightly better. When asked if the government lied about vaccinated people not getting the virus, the speaker responded that they don't know about the task force's discussions. They vaccinated their susceptible family members but still used layered protection during surges, knowing vaccine immunity could wane like natural immunity, with reinfection occurring every four months in South Africa. When asked if the government's claim that the vaccine prevented transmission was a lie or a guess, the speaker said it was hope. They added that the original phase three trials only measured symptomatic disease, not proactively testing for mild or asymptomatic infections, so there was never data showing protection against asymptomatic infection. Another speaker expressed frustration that government agencies were guessing, hoping, or lying to the American people, calling them the biggest purveyors of misinformation.

Anthony Fauci and his understanding of evidence-based medicine is questioned by Speaker 0 and Speaker 1. They both agree that he seems to lack this understanding. Speaker 0 clarifies that they don't believe Fauci is intentionally misleading, but rather that his repeated phrase "trust the science" is akin to trusting a psychopath. Speaker 1 finds the concept of "trust the science" to be vague and questions its meaning, likening it to witchcraft.

Dr. Menares and an interlocutor debate the science behind pediatric COVID vaccination and routine immunizations, focusing on transmission, hospitalization, and risk. - The interlocutor asks whether the COVID vaccine prevents transmission. Speaker 1 answer: the vaccine can reduce viral load in individuals who are infected, and with reduced viral load, there is reduced transmission. The interlocutor reframes, insisting that the vaccine does not prevent transmission and notes decreasing effectiveness over time, citing Omicron data showing around 16% reduction when there is a reduction. - On hospitalization for children 18 and under: Speaker 0 asserts the vaccine does not reduce hospitalization for 18-year-olds; statistics are inconclusive due to small numbers of hospitalizations in that age group (approximately 76 million people aged 18 in the country, with 183 deaths and a few thousand hospitalizations in 2020–2021; numbers have since dropped). The argument emphasizes a need to discuss the issue. - On death for children 18 and under: Speaker 0 says the vaccine does not reduce the death rate; claims there is no statistical evidence that it reduces deaths. Speaker 1 responds with a more cautious stance: “It can,” but Speaker 0 counters, calling that an insufficient answer. - The discussion references the vaccine approval process and ongoing debates in vaccine committees. The interlocutor states that when the vaccine was approved for six months and older, the discussion acknowledged no proof of reduction in hospitalization or death. The argument asserts that the justification for vaccination is based on antibody generation rather than clear hospitalization/death data. The interlocutor contends that immunology measurements (antibody production) do not necessarily justify vaccination frequency. - The core debate centers on what the science supports for vaccinating six-month-olds and the benefits versus risks. The interlocutor argues there is no hospitalization or death benefit for vaccination in this age group, and notes a known risk of myocarditis in younger populations, estimated somewhere between six and ten per ten thousand, which the interlocutor claims is greater than the risk of hospitalization or death being measurable. - The exchange then shifts to changing the childhood vaccine schedule, particularly the hepatitis B vaccine given to newborns when the mother is not hepatitis B positive. The interlocutor asks for the medical or scientific reason to give a hepatitis B vaccine to a newborn with an uninfected mother, arguing that the discussion should focus on whether to change the schedule rather than declaring all vaccines as good or bad. - Speaker 1 says they agreed with considering the science and would not pre-commit to approving all ACIP recommendations without the science. Speaker 0 disagrees, asserting their position that the debate should center on the medical rationale for these specific vaccines and schedules, not on a blanket endorsement of vaccines. - Throughout, the dialogue emphasizes examining the medical reasons and evidence for specific vaccines and schedules, rather than broad generalizations about vaccines.

Dr. Mike Yeadon, former chief scientific officer at Pfizer, discusses the likelihood of a second wave and the necessity of current measures. He criticizes the Ferguson and Imperial model, stating that it was naive to assume everyone was susceptible to the virus. He argues that between 30-50% of people already had t cell immunity from exposure to other coronaviruses. Dr. Yeadon challenges the government to provide research literature supporting their belief in a second wave. He also highlights the potential for false positives in the PCR tests and calls for a revision of the testing protocol. Dr. Yeadon questions the need for new restrictions until accurate data is obtained.

Speaker 0 argues that billions of people were injected with an experimental vaccine, stating “it wasn't a bloody just no. It wasn't.” He rejects the notion of it being definitive or perfect, emphasizing that “it wasn’t” in terms of being a flawless solution. Speaker 1 counters, asserting “It was no one isn’t,” suggesting confusion or contradiction in the prior claim and challenging the certainty of the statement. He adds that there is a lack of a 100% success rate and questions the ultimate aim, asking what the core purpose is when it comes to giving your body a training of the immune system and technology. Speaker 0 reinforces the complexity, noting that there were “different types” to contend with and that the fact that they weren’t the same technology matters. He agrees there are various types of vaccines or approaches, indicating there is diversity in the technology or formulations used. Speaker 1 concedes the existence of different types and technologies, acknowledging that “there are different types of” vaccines, and that “There are different technologies.” He identifies mRNA as a type of vaccine but Speaker 0 interrupts, insisting “No. It was” and continuing his line of reasoning about the distinctions between the technologies and their evolution. Speaker 1 acknowledges change, saying “like this, and now it's like this,” recognizing a progression or shift in the approach. Speaker 0 rejects the suggestion that the transition is simple or uniform, insisting “No. No. No. It was like this, and now it's like this.” He asserts that the mRNA technology represented a radical, qualitative leap forward in technology, a claim about the significance of the development. Speaker 0 contends that naming the technology as mRNA can be acceptable only in a limited sense; he says “You can call it if if you want to, but it bears very little resemblance to anything that went before that.” The rationale for the term mRNA is tied to branding: “The reason it was called a scene was because was a brand name that had a track record of safety, and shoehorning it in that was one of the ways to make sure that people weren't terrified of the technology.”

The speaker questions why there hasn't been research done to show that natural immunity protects against recurrent infection. They mention that studies have shown that individuals with natural immunity have antibodies, T cells, and B cells that are considered adequate for protection. The speaker also mentions that the CDC has access to patient data. However, the other speaker responds by stating that their current stance is that everyone who has been previously infected should still be vaccinated, without directly addressing the question.

During a meeting, Dr. Fauci and four others discussed whether natural immunity should be recognized. The attendees had similar views on mandates and other policies. The vote ended in a tie, so Dr. Fauci chose to align with the government's stance. According to the government, only antibodies from the vaccine are acknowledged, while those from natural immunity are not recognized.

Natalie Thornburg explains that most people produce very robust neutralizing antibodies, which do seem to correlate with protection, but immunity to upper respiratory infections is not sterilizing due to mucosal infection and viral evolution. A specific protective level of neutralizing antibodies cannot be defined, and responses are dynamic—today’s antibodies may not protect tomorrow or against future lineages. Dr. Malone asks if there are well-defined correlates of protection for COVID. "The answer is no. There are no clearly defined by standard methods of correlates of protection for COVID. Not cellular, not humoral, not neutralizing." "There is no established correlates of protection for COVID, period, Full stop." Surrogates and soft endpoints are "not correlates of protection" but "indirect indicators of an immune response." He criticizes notions like "antibody titers in mice" as predictors, calling such statements "not scientific," and notes misstatements by media, industry, and former CDC directors. Over.

An individual states they will not get vaccinated due to a lack of clear information and the speed of vaccine development, which they believe is insufficient. They claim nine months is not enough time for vaccine development. Another individual says they are only speaking in close proximity because they are vaccinated, and that not getting vaccinated will allow the virus to continue spreading. The first individual compares COVID-19 to the flu. Someone states COVID-19 is more serious than the flu, and that while 20-30,000 people died of the flu the previous year, 600,000 Americans have died from COVID-19. The first individual disputes the COVID-19 death toll, claiming it is "you all's number." The first individual believes there is something else going on when people are paid or incentivized to get vaccinated, and that the vaccination campaign incites fear in people, and that the pandemic is fear.

The speaker discusses the challenge of achieving population immunity against the virus. They explain that continually vaccinating the entire population every few months is not feasible, so the virus needs to circulate and update people's immunity. However, it is uncertain if Germany can afford to allow the virus to circulate due to the vaccine gap. This is the main obstacle, and it is difficult to predict the outcome. The speaker mentions that some studies show the effectiveness of second and third doses in preventing severe illness, but it is challenging to estimate the number of vaccinated individuals and the extent of the vaccine gap. They conclude that while the virus needs to circulate eventually, it may not be the right time for Germany yet, unlike in other countries.

Mr. Becerra, the speaker questions his knowledge of an Israeli study involving 2.5 million patients. The study reportedly found that the vaccinated group was seven times more likely to get infected with COVID compared to those who had recovered from the virus naturally. The speaker criticizes Mr. Becerra for insulting Americans who have had COVID and made their own decision about their immunity. He accuses Mr. Becerra of arrogance and authoritarianism, highlighting his lack of medical or scientific background. The speaker argues that numerous scientific studies demonstrate robust and long-lasting immunity after COVID infection. He urges Mr. Becerra to apologize for being dishonest about naturally acquired immunity and expresses a shared desire to increase vaccination rates and reduce hesitancy.

The speakers discuss the need for vaccines to combat the spread of the virus. They mention that traditional vaccines require booster shots to increase protection over time, but it is uncertain if the same applies to the RNA vaccines. They mention the possibility of a fourth dose and the uncertainty surrounding the duration of immunity. They acknowledge that the situation with the virus is unique and express a tolerance for doubts and questions.

Speaker 0 argues that invoking “the science says this because CDC says it, because my doctor says it, or because FDA says it” is a “logical fallacy” and an “appeals to authority.” “You cannot show me a study that shows that the flu vaccine actually efforts more problems than it causes.” He says he can show many studies, “It’s in the Dear Sanjay Gupta letter.” “Show me that study, then I will walk away from that issue.” Speaker 1 concedes the CDC isn’t perfect but notes, “There are hundreds of millions of people who have gotten these vaccine vaccines who are perfectly healthy. Perfectly healthy in part thanks to the vaccines.” “The vaccines are not all bad.” and adds, “Just because we have suspicions about some of them, and in particular, the COVID vaccine, it doesn't mean we can and because you started this, Bobby, by saying, I am not anti vaxx.” Speaker 0 asks for “a scientific study for each vaccine that shows that this vaccine is averting for harm and it's causing.” Speaker 1 says, “They say the studies show no linkage of harm.” The exchange ends: “Let's advance the discussion. Okay?”

Speaker 0 asks about the accuracy of claims that asymptomatic carriers exist and that children can be super-spreaders, questioning whether these ideas are true. Speaker 1 responds that these notions are complete nonsense and have never been shown; they are claims that have been spread as facts, and they consider that “criminal.” They state that the idea of asymptomatic carrier spreading the disease Covid-nineteen—which they describe as the pneumonia, not a cough but the pneumonia Covid-nineteen—is untrue and is backed by zero data. They emphasize that there is not a single case in the world documented, and conclude that the whole business is a fake. Speaker 0 follows up by asking whether these ideas are the basis for mask-wearing and many of the associated measures. Speaker 1 confirms, stating that this is “the inhuman part” of forcing people to wear masks “because of no reason,” describing it as taking away people’s rights as humans without reason.

On the topic of the effectiveness of vaccines in controlling the epidemic, the speaker disagrees with the authorities. They state that vaccines do not control the spread of the virus, as countries with higher vaccination rates also have higher case numbers. They suggest that there may be a scientific phenomenon where the number of infection cases increases within 15 days to three weeks after vaccination. This phenomenon, related to facilitating antibodies, has not been sufficiently analyzed or studied in epidemiology. The speaker is Professor Raoul.

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss vaccines and vaccine technology. Speaker 0 begins by saying, “He injected billions of people with an experimental it wasn't a bloody just no. It wasn't,” expressing that the vaccine was experimental and not straightforward. Speaker 1 counters briefly with, “It was no one isn't,” then suggests uncertainty about the claim. Speaker 0 adds that “Yes. It is. It's Well, it doesn't have a 100%,” indicating skepticism about a perfect success rate. Speaker 1 asks, “You think it's a definition of all point of is to give your body a,” challenging the stated purpose of the vaccine in terms of its aim to train the immune system. Speaker 0 then states, “protein train on. The immune system works. Technology,” implying that the vaccine trains the immune system and works as a technology. Speaker 1 responds that “Who cares if it's not the same? There's plenty there's,” implying there are multiple vaccines or approaches enough to matter, suggesting diversity in types. Speaker 0 replies, “different so types that they didn't have to contend with the fact that it wasn't the same technology.” Speaker 1 acknowledges that “There are different types of,” and that “There are different technologies. Fine. The mRNA is a type of vaccine.” Speaker 0 firmly rejects that, saying, “Now this is No. It was,” indicating a disagreement about the classification. Speaker 1 clarifies that “like this, and now it's like this,” implying a progression from one form to another. Speaker 0 insists, “No. No. No. It was like this, and now it's like this. The m n r mRNA technology was a radical, qualitative leap forward in technology.” He asserts that mRNA technology represents a significant advancement compared to what existed before. Speaker 1 suggests naming it differently or acknowledging changes, but Speaker 0 continues that “You can call it if you want to, but it bears very little resemblance to anything that went before that.” The final point is that “The reason it was called a scene was because was a brand name that had a track record of safety, and shoehorning it in that was one of the ways to make sure that people weren't terrified of the technology.”

Speaker 0 asked about the visibility of the medium to long-term effects of the vaccine in three to five years. Speaker 1 responded that they cannot predict how things will be in three to five years, but mentioned that 92-93% of the population will be vaccinated. Speaker 0 expressed confusion, and Speaker 1 clarified that 92-93% is the current vaccination rate. Speaker 0 raised concerns about potential side effects, but Speaker 1 reassured them that if there are any, the majority of the population would be affected. Speaker 0 remained unconvinced and expressed hesitation about getting vaccinated.

A person states they won't get the COVID-19 vaccine due to a lack of initial clarity and the speed of its creation, arguing nine months isn't enough time. Another person explains that twenty years of science went into the approach used to create the vaccine and that vaccination is necessary to stop the virus from spreading. The first person compares COVID-19 to the flu, but is told COVID-19 is more serious. They then question the official death toll and suggest incentives for vaccination indicate ulterior motives. The second person states that millions of people were vaccinated to protect their health and community. The first person concludes that the vaccination campaign is based on fear.

The speaker questions whether the government was guessing or lying when they said that vaccinated individuals couldn't get the virus. The other speaker, who was part of the previous administration, acknowledges that there was evidence of natural reinfection during the global pandemic and that the vaccine was based on natural immunity. They suggest that the vaccine may not necessarily outperform natural infection. The first speaker then asks if the government was lying when they said the vaccine couldn't transmit the virus, to which the second speaker responds that it was more of a hopeful belief. The first speaker concludes that the government's statements were not truthful, leaving the options of guessing, lying, or hoping as possible explanations.

Speaker 0 emphasizes that achieving herd immunity is the only way to stop the epidemic. Speaker 1 asks for a response from Thomas Perry, who strongly disagrees, stating that wanting a percentage of the population to catch the virus would result in many deaths. Speaker 2 argues against the concept of herd immunity, highlighting the need to prevent people from catching the virus to avoid fatalities and the overwhelming of healthcare systems. They urge immediate action to prevent panic and a situation similar to Italy. Speaker 0 explains that there are two strategies: stamping out every case worldwide or achieving herd immunity. The containment strategy has not been successful, so achieving herd immunity is the only option left.

First speaker: The question is about how many people are totally unvaccinated, and whether this is mainly among parents who stepped up. The claim is that it’s a very small percentage because many people blindly followed the vaccination recommendations for children. Second speaker: It’s less than one percent of the public who are unvaccinated. The Amish are given as a perfect example of a large group that is largely unvaccinated. The speaker asserts that you won’t find an autistic child who was unvaccinated, and that such chronic diseases as ADD, autoimmune diseases, PANDA/PANS, and epilepsy are very rare in the Amish community. The speaker claims that the US government has studied the Amish for decades, but there has never been a public report. The reason given is that such a report would show that not following the guidelines leads to healthier outcomes, and therefore there would be a disclosure that would be devastating to the narrative. According to the speaker, there is no public report because it would reveal that the CDC has been harming the public for decades and is bearing all the data privately.