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The public health and scientific community are to blame for the erosion of public trust by labeling those who question mandates as anti-science. The speaker believes natural immunity should be discussed openly. They suggest treating the choice to remain unvaccinated like driving while intoxicated, advocating for stricter measures. The speaker supports the CDC's indoor mask requirement for both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. They urge the Biden administration to incentivize vaccination by granting more freedoms to the vaccinated.

Today, the speaker discusses the transmission and viral load of vaccinated individuals compared to unvaccinated individuals. They mention the example of Israel, where a professor from Tel Aviv hospital stated that 75% of hospitalized patients were vaccinated. The speaker argues against the narrative that vaccinated individuals are solely responsible for immunity. They emphasize that the disease has a low mortality rate and question the need for continued booster shots. The other speaker counters by stating that vaccines protect against severe forms of the virus, particularly for those under 60 years old. The conversation ends with a disagreement about the percentage of vaccinated individuals in hospitals.

Twenty percent of Americans did not take the COVID vaccine because it was not safe enough. The mRNA in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines has been chemically modified to resist breakdown by enzymes. The mRNA and spike protein are found in the heart and brain, and the spike protein circulates in the blood for six to nine months post-vaccination. The speaker claims the lethal part of the virus circulates in the blood of vaccinated individuals, especially after boosters, and that it is a killer protein. The speaker asserts safety trumps efficacy and objects to claims that vaccines, specifically the COVID-19 vaccine, saved millions of lives. They state that consent forms do not guarantee the vaccine will save lives and that there has never been a prospective, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial showing that COVID-19 vaccines reduce mortality or hospitalization.

The speaker claims the vaccine saved hundreds of thousands of lives but acknowledges side effects and breakthrough infections. The speaker argues that the vaccine was claimed to stop transmission and infection, but it did not. An argument ensues with someone who disagrees, with accusations of being crazy and shutting up. The speaker denies using ad hominem attacks.

The speaker discusses potential risks associated with the COVID-19 vaccine, including its potential to suppress the immune system and reactivate latent viral infections. They mention a scientific journal, The Lancet, which released a study showing that immune function among vaccinated individuals was lower than that of unvaccinated individuals. The speaker expresses sympathy for those who may have been misled or forced to take the vaccine. They also highlight data from The Lancet's study, revealing a higher rate of medical incidents among double-vaccinated individuals aged around 80 compared to the unvaccinated. The speaker questions why this finding is not receiving more attention.

The speaker claims the vaccine saved lives, specifically 100 to 1000 lives, while acknowledging side effects and breakthrough infections. The speaker asserts the vaccine stopped transmission and infection, but this claim is immediately challenged. The speaker repeats that it did stop transmission and infection. Another person denies this claim. The first speaker tells the other person to shut up and says they are done hearing their "little woman voice." The first speaker then denies making an ad hominem attack.

The speaker asks if there is a higher incidence of myocarditis among adolescent males aged 16 to 24 after taking the vaccine. The other speaker responds by saying that the data from the CDC shows that there is actually less myocarditis in people who get the vaccine compared to those who get COVID. The first speaker disagrees and presents six peer-reviewed papers that contradict this claim. They also mention speaking with the president who privately acknowledged the increased risk of myocarditis. The conversation then shifts to discussing the rationality of mandating three vaccines for adolescent boys and the timing of myocarditis after the second dose. The first speaker criticizes the CDC's recommendation to vaccinate individuals who have recovered from COVID and experienced myocarditis. They argue that many countries do not offer the vaccine to children unless they are at risk for severe disease. The first speaker concludes by stating that the risk and benefits of vaccination need to be weighed, and that parents are unlikely to comply with mandatory vaccination for their children.

Speaker 0 questions the idea that Doctor Fauci is involved in a plot to kill millions, seeking clarity on the claim. Speaker 1 says they are reasonable and that Fauci is not an innocent bystander; he is aware of what he’s doing, but the extent of involvement is not known to them. Speaker 2 cites the Center for Countering Digital Hate, stating Dirashad Bhattar is one of the top spreaders of COVID disinformation, once with more than a million followers. Bhattar allegedly claimed “More people are dying from the COVID vaccine than from COVID,” and that “the Red Cross won’t accept blood from people who have had the COVID nineteen vaccine.” He posted that “most who took COVID vaccines will be dead by 2025,” and promoted the overarching conspiracy that COVID was a planned operation as part of a secret global plot to depopulate the earth. Speaker 0 asks if Speaker 2 believes the pandemic was planned; Speaker 2 confirms there is a suspicion of a plan to reduce the population, though Speaker 1 says they have no idea. Speaker 2 criticizes Bhattar, saying it would be laughable if it weren’t so dangerous and that Qatar (Qatar’s commentary) compares COVID and the vaccine to World War II and Doctor Anthony Fauci to Adolf Hitler. Speaker 1 pushes back by asking to what extent Fauci would be equated with Hitler. Speaker 3 asserts that lies cost lives in a pandemic, and that encouraging people not to vaccinate will cause people to lose their lives. Speaker 2 describes Qatar as encouraging distrust of life-saving vaccines and using false, twisted information and unproven conspiracies to do so. Speaker 0 asks if the COVID vaccine works. Speaker 1 states the vaccine is very effective at what it was designed for, but “it’s not preventing death. Certainly not.” Speaker 2 contradicts, claiming that Bhattar believes life-saving vaccines are more dangerous than the virus itself, and Speaker 1 asks why the vaccine would cause more deaths than the problem itself, noting 6,340,000,000 doses administered. Speaker 0 requests the completion of a sentence about what each vaccine is geared up for, but Speaker 1 says he’s not a vaccine developer and mentions “Scientific corruption.” Speaker 2 notes Qatar has been removed from Facebook and Instagram due to disinformation but remains on Twitter, Telegram, and his own site, filled with falsehoods. Speaker 0 recalls a September 5 retweet of a doctored AstraZeneca packaging photo suggesting the vaccine was made in 2018; Speaker 1 says the photo was perhaps fake, and questions why Speaker 0 would challenge the agencies that have caused deaths. Speaker 0 argues it’s reasonable to question agencies, noting Speaker 1 had 1,200,000 followers who received false information; Speaker 1 admits if a tweet with a doctor’s photo was sent in error, it was a mistake, and he cannot make mistakes on the numbers. Speaker 2 notes vaccine studies showing vaccines remain ninety percent effective in preventing hospitalization and death, while Qatar claims the vaccine is the danger. Speaker 1 counters that thousands are dying and the delta variant is “vaccine injured,” citing CDC data, which Speaker 0 disputes as not true. Speaker 1 asserts he does not want to be part of a mass genocide and suggests this era will be remembered as a worst time in history, even worse than World War II. Speaker 0 concludes by calling Speaker 1 crazy. Speaker 2 ends with a reference to North Carolina’s Board of Medicine reprimanding someone prior to COVID.

The speaker questions why there hasn't been research done to show that natural immunity protects against recurrent infection. They mention that studies have shown that individuals with natural immunity have antibodies, T cells, and B cells that are considered adequate for protection. The speaker also mentions that the CDC has access to patient data. However, the other speaker responds by stating that their current stance is that everyone who has been previously infected should still be vaccinated, without directly addressing the question.

The speaker raises concerns about measles and the criticisms directed at Bobby regarding vaccination. Bobby is questioned about the apparent contradiction of advocating for measles vaccination now, while allegedly not doing so during COVID. This perceived inconsistency is cited as a reason for vaccine hesitancy. The speaker asks Bobby to address this issue and consider his responsibility in influencing public sentiment towards vaccination.

The speaker claims that vaccines are ineffective, using Israel as an example. They also mention a whistleblower revealing falsified death numbers after vaccination. Serious side effects like neurological disorders, thromboses, and myocarditis are mentioned. Experts predict problems for vaccinated individuals when encountering the wild virus due to immune system damage caused by the vaccines. The speaker alleges that the CDC was aware of the side effects before the vaccine rollout. The manufacturers are accused of not knowing the effectiveness or dangers of their vaccines but demand immunity from claims. They also insist on their products being purchased even if alternative treatments exist.

The speaker criticizes Mr. Kennedy for spreading disinformation about COVID vaccines. They mention an incident where Kennedy used unvetted data from VARs to claim that vaccines were killing people, leading to vaccine hesitancy and unnecessary deaths. The speaker calls this science denial and questions Kennedy's credibility. In response, Kennedy argues that VARs is an unreliable system for reporting vaccine adverse events due to voluntary reporting. He claims that CDC's own studies show that VARs undercounts vaccine injuries by a hundredfold. Kennedy also mentions a Harvard study that developed a more accurate system, but CDC allegedly shut it down and refused to address the issue. Kennedy questions why CDC doesn't have a better system in place.

The speaker discusses potential risks associated with COVID-19 vaccines, including the suppression of the immune system and the reactivation of latent viral infections. They mention a study published in The Lancet that found lower immune function in vaccinated individuals compared to the unvaccinated. The speaker expresses sympathy for those who may have been harmed by being forced to take the vaccine. They also highlight data from the study showing a higher rate of medical incidents, including hospitalizations or death, among double-vaccinated individuals aged around 80 compared to the unvaccinated. The speaker questions why this finding is not receiving more attention.

The speaker claims the Biden administration covered up science related to the COVID shot. Information related to vaccine complications was allegedly censored as COVID vaccine hesitant content. The speaker alleges the heart inflammation in young, healthy men and boys was not disclosed as soon as it should have been, resulting in thousands of kids developing myocarditis unnecessarily. The speaker suggests the administration knew the shot didn't stop transmission but kept it secret. The head of the FDA is cited as saying the Biden administration suppressed information about myocarditis damage to children. The speaker believes this sounds criminal, especially considering mandates for school, work, and travel.

Speaker 0 argues that invoking “the science says this because CDC says it, because my doctor says it, or because FDA says it” is a “logical fallacy” and an “appeals to authority.” “You cannot show me a study that shows that the flu vaccine actually efforts more problems than it causes.” He says he can show many studies, “It’s in the Dear Sanjay Gupta letter.” “Show me that study, then I will walk away from that issue.” Speaker 1 concedes the CDC isn’t perfect but notes, “There are hundreds of millions of people who have gotten these vaccine vaccines who are perfectly healthy. Perfectly healthy in part thanks to the vaccines.” “The vaccines are not all bad.” and adds, “Just because we have suspicions about some of them, and in particular, the COVID vaccine, it doesn't mean we can and because you started this, Bobby, by saying, I am not anti vaxx.” Speaker 0 asks for “a scientific study for each vaccine that shows that this vaccine is averting for harm and it's causing.” Speaker 1 says, “They say the studies show no linkage of harm.” The exchange ends: “Let's advance the discussion. Okay?”

Doctors can be fooled and pressured, and many are afraid to speak out against the government's COVID measures. The speaker mentions truckers who were allowed to work without vaccines or passports, but were criticized for questioning the safety of the vaccine. They discuss a study by Nakahara that found vaccinated individuals had hearts that worked 46% harder for 6-7 months after receiving the vaccine, while non-vaccinated individuals showed no increase in heart effort. The speaker concludes that this study proves the vaccine is harmful to the heart and criticizes the idea of giving booster shots every 6 months, which further strains the heart.

As a vaccine researcher, the speaker opposed COVID boosters from the start, based on the principle that vaccines shouldn't require them. Boosters were given because antibody levels fell off, which the speaker says is normal. The speaker claims the booster was a waste of time because it targeted a virus that no longer existed. The speaker alleges the booster suppressed the T cell system and switched antibodies to be tolerizing, increasing the risk of COVID and other infections. The speaker claims to have observed cancer patients relapsing after boosters, despite advising against them. The speaker says they were silenced for raising concerns, but now "everybody knows the truth" that these observations were correct. The speaker cites a Japanese study correlating increased cancer incidence with the vaccine program and expresses alarm that the study was based on deaths. The speaker says data from around the world shows how boosters can suppress immune response and drive cancers. The speaker concludes by lamenting that clinicians and scientists were silenced and unable to make a difference.

I made it clear that my children received childhood immunizations. The issue is we failed to communicate that COVID vaccines differ significantly from childhood vaccines, which typically provide lasting immunity after one dose. The COVID vaccine was not designed to prevent infection. Vaccine hesitancy has doubled since COVID, and we must address this. The mRNA vaccines should have prioritized individuals at high risk for severe disease, aligning with the scientific data. We should have protected the elderly and those in nursing homes first. Prioritizing young people in hospitals before the elderly was not following the science. Public health actions must align with scientific data to maintain the trust of the American people.

The speaker addresses the issue of vaccines, claiming the FDA has lost the trust of Americans. Autism rates are cited, stating that in the 1980s, it was 1 in 10,000, but a recent Children's Health Defense study indicates it's now 1 in 33 among children ages 5 to 8. Parents are said to point to vaccines as a cause, but are dismissed. The speaker criticizes the emergency use authorization of COVID vaccines, alleging the process took only days compared to the typical 10-15 years for vaccine development. VAERS reports are referenced, citing 1,662,426 reports, including 38,541 deaths, 220,494 hospitalizations, and other adverse events. The speaker contrasts this with the alleged dismissal of Ivermectin as "horse paste," despite its effectiveness against COVID. The speaker asks if the addressee objected to the removal of Doctors Gruber and Krausz for opposing mandated booster shots, to which the addressee said no. The speaker claims vaccinated and boosted individuals keep getting and spreading COVID-19, while those with natural immunity do not.

The former health and human services cabinet secretary faced questioning on Capitol Hill regarding the COVID vaccine. Representative Mary Miller raised concerns about the CDC's data showing an increase in myocarditis among young men and teenage boys who received the vaccine. She questioned why the Biden administration continues to promote the vaccine for this demographic, as they are at higher risk for myocarditis. The speaker supports Miller's stance and urges others not to give in on mask mandates, social distancing, closures, or new mandates. The speaker concludes by emphasizing the importance of non-compliance.

The speaker questions whether the government was guessing or lying when they said that vaccinated individuals couldn't get the virus. The other speaker, who was part of the previous administration, acknowledges that there was evidence of natural reinfection during the global pandemic and that the vaccine was based on natural immunity. They suggest that the vaccine may not necessarily outperform natural infection. The first speaker then asks if the government was lying when they said the vaccine couldn't transmit the virus, to which the second speaker responds that it was more of a hopeful belief. The first speaker concludes that the government's statements were not truthful, leaving the options of guessing, lying, or hoping as possible explanations.

The speaker discusses the increase in COVID-19 cases and deaths after mass vaccination. They claim that the vaccines have created new variants of the virus and that the antibodies produced by the vaccines actually make the infection stronger. They argue that the new variants are a result of the selection of antibodies through vaccination. The speaker questions the decision to vaccinate during an ongoing epidemic and suggests that there are alternative treatments available.

Speaker 0 argues that 'the trustworthiness of the information that we actually receive from the news media' is a major problem and notes that 'the easiest thing for our democratic colleagues to do is to scare people.' He asks, 'COVID nineteen was politicized?' Speaker 1 answers, 'the whole process was politicized' and says 'we were lied to about everything... the vaccines would prevent transmission' and 'they prevent infection'—claims he says are contradicted by 'the animal studies and the clinical trial showed.' He accuses the CDC of letting 'the teachers union' write school-closure orders that 'hurt working people all over the country, and then pretend it was science based.' He adds examples: 'Martin Koldor from Harvard' was 'ejected [from COVID]... because he wasn't in the orthodoxy'; 'FDA during COVID' officials 'Gruber and Krausz' criticized Biden mandates; Biden said, 'I would never take that vaccine, the Trump vaccine' then mandated it and fired top FDA officials who said it had not been properly tested.' The exchange ends with 'Yes.'