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The president of Haiti told the speaker he thought he was going to be killed or taken away, but the speaker dismissed it. The president, Aristide, was then deposed and flown to the Central African Republic on an unmarked CIA plane. The U.S. ambassador walked him to the plane in broad daylight. The speaker, an economic advisor and friend, called the New York Times reporter on the beat to cover the coup. The reporter said her editor was not interested.

I was asked about the recent election in Mexico, but I didn't follow it closely. The new president, Claudio Shinebaum, is a climate scientist and a globalist. People are concerned about Mexico's future under a socialist president, but many in Mexico don't pay taxes or follow laws. If the government tries to enforce regulations, they may face resistance, even violence.

Regular medical students, wearing white coats, spoke about being the reason that America’s calling you terrorists: 'we're the reason that America's calling you terrorists.' They added, 'if we're terrorists, we're proud to be terrorists because we're sending doctors around the world. And if that's our terror, then so be it.' Right? But here's this little island, a couple of miles away from America, you know, 90 miles away from America, and they have an a president who talks like us. They have a president who understands the need for a liberated Palestine. And I think that was, that definitely altered my world.

Speaker 1 discusses the human cost of Venezuelan and regional instability, noting that Venezuelan people have suffered and that many Hondurans have migrated due to conditions in their own country. He argues that the opposition in Venezuela had been winning elections, but the regime led by Maduro “stole every election,” stating that they have a copy of poll results on the cloud and that the government did not want to see them because they knew they lost. He attributes a high death toll in Honduras to drug trafficking flowing through their country, largely coming from Venezuela, and asserts that the U.S. framework designating drug trafficking as terrorism is justified because the flow of drugs harms the United States and Honduras, causing bloodshed and economic damage. He claims that illegal drug flight and sea routes brought jobs to Honduras but also bloodshed, and that the highest number of lives lost in fifteen years in Honduras occurred due to these drugs. Speaker 0 asks about the stance on U.S. intervention, whether intervention is sometimes warranted, as with Maduro, or if there should be no U.S. intervention in Latin America regardless of administration. He notes that Maduro’s regime has involved U.S. military actions and leadership changes, with claims that the U.S. bombed Venezuela, captured Maduro, killed members of his government, and sent him to jail, a situation some view positively while others see as a breach of international law. Speaker 1 responds from a human perspective, emphasizing the suffering of Venezuelan and regional populations and the mass migration from these countries. He argues that Maduro’s regime stole elections and contrasts this with the citizens’ desire for democracy. He states that the Trump administration’s framework to label drug trafficking as terrorism has implications for Honduras and other neighboring countries affected by drug flows, corruption, and violence. He suggests that President Trump confronted a long-standing attempt by Venezuela and its allies to influence elections in the region, and he asserts that Maduro should be given a chance to defend himself in a trial. He acknowledges sovereignty concerns but argues that many people worldwide do not understand what has been happening in Venezuela and its impact on the region. He concludes that intervention decisions depend on whether there is another way to save Venezuela and notes the broader regional consequences of the Venezuelan crisis.

Speaker 0 describes having friends in the US embassy in Belize and knowing what was coming. He says he arranged with the head of security to enter the embassy, but the head of security told him, “we have it from the highest authority. We are not to allow you entry into the US embassy. Understand me.” He asserts, “Who was the highest authority in the state department? Hillary Clinton.” He emphasizes that he is an American citizen with “a fucking American passport,” stating, “I'm sorry. I'm not wanted in America. I've got no crimes in America. Is it not reason to say, I don't think I'm gonna vote for you?” Speaker 1 notes, “And yet you're here now.” Speaker 0 explains that for a month and a half he was on the run. He claims the government wanted to collect him because, after they raided his property in 2012 in the jungle, they shot his dog, abused him, and destroyed “a half million dollars worth of my property over a bogus charge.” He says he was pissed off and then “donated too many secretaries within the government laptop computers, really nice ones that were preloaded with viral spyware.” He contends that within a week, “the entire government computer system was in under my control. I was watching, monitoring, listening.” He continues that he was looking for information that they had set him up for that raid, and he didn’t find that. Instead, he discovered that “the minister of national defense was the largest drug trafficker in all of Central America, and the minister of immigration, the largest human trafficker.” Speaker 1 responds, “We don't wanna get killed by them either, so we're probably not—” and Speaker 0 agrees, “You're not gonna,” adding, “That's fine.”

Speaker 0 states that socialism, Islam, and Palestine are the three holy grail taboos in American politics. Speaker 1 responds enthusiastically. Speaker 0 asks why Palestine is a part of Speaker 1's politics. Speaker 1 answers that growing up in the third world gives a different understanding of the Palestinian struggle.

Speaker 1 recalls asking someone, presumably a friend, about something. The friend responded that he was Israeli and would do certain things for his country. Speaker 0 notes that this got the person into big trouble. Speaker 1 says he accepted the answer, almost.

I fought not for my country, but for politicians' agendas. I remember killing a man in his bedroom while his wife watched. He reached for a gun because I was in his room at 2 AM. I was there because of a political decision tied to George Bush's vendetta against Saddam Hussein, based on false claims of weapons of mass destruction. I wonder about the man I killed—what if we had met under different circumstances, like sharing coffee in Paris? Would we have liked each other?

In 2012, the speaker's property was raided by the government, resulting in the destruction of their belongings and the shooting of their dog. Angry about this, the speaker donated laptops with spyware to government secretaries. This allowed them to gain control over the entire government computer system. While monitoring the system, the speaker discovered that the Minister of National Defense was involved in drug trafficking and the Minister of Immigration was involved in human trafficking. The speaker concludes by stating that they don't want to be killed by these individuals.

The speaker asks, why are we doing this and why are we so opposed to Nicolas Maduro. On the street, most people would say they don’t know who Nicolas Maduro is. But in places like South Florida, where people recognize Maduro and can identify Venezuela on a map, the typical answer shifts: because he’s a communist or a socialist. The speaker asserts that this is true: Nicolas Maduro and his government are very left wing on economics. The speaker notes an interesting distinction: this left-wing stance is economic, not social. In Venezuela, gay marriage is banned, abortion is banned, and sex changes for transgender individuals are banned. The speaker describes Venezuela as one of the very few countries in the entire hemisphere with those social policies, emphasizing that these policies are conservative socially. The speaker adds that Venezuela is one of the very few nations in the region with those social policies, specifying that it is on social policy, not defending the regime. The speaker mentions that only El Salvador comes close in conservatism, though El Salvador is much smaller. Additionally, the speaker brings up a political point: the US-backed opposition leader who would take Maduro’s place, if Maduro were removed, is described as eager to implement gay marriage in Venezuela. This is presented as a counterpoint to the idea that the opposition is globally liberal or that the regime is uniquely opposed to liberal social policies. The speaker references the notion of a “global homo” project and implies that the reality is different from that belief, labeling the project as not crazy after all. The overall argument ties Maduro’s economic leftism to social policy conservatism, and contrasts Venezuelan social policy with potential shifts under the opposition, while noting public recognition differences about Maduro.

The speaker traveled to Pakistan with his father after a friend, who was a reporter, couldn't make the trip. This was not a professional trip. While traveling from Peshawar to Dubai on Pakistan Airways, their plane crashed, and a number of people were injured. The speaker had previously traveled with John McCain to Vietnam and experienced trouble at the airport. The speaker's father is a former journalist who worked at the LA Times and ABC, later running Voice of America and Corporation Public Broadcasting. He currently lives in Washington.

"while students at Elam who came from Gaza were there to study medicine, but simultaneously, they, just by virtue of being there, studied revolution." "I think that that school really probably forms consciousness for a lot of people when they're there to just study how to help people." "The change was not a change to them at all. It's the same culture to them through and through." "It was the communist international." "we also had the chance to interact with, organizers from around the world, specifically some people from Germany love to sing the international." "From South Africa, from Ghana, from other Latin American countries, from Australia, from Germany." "And essentially, this was an international brigade where they wanted brigadistas with a revolutionary orientation, with revolutionary politics to come and learn about the Cuban revolution and essentially how to fight against this blockade that our country, as American representatives on the Strip, was fully responsible for."

Speaker 0 recalls a story about his first time with grandpa Joe in Israel before the 6 day war. Speaker 1 questions why he was in Israel in 1967. Speaker 0 mentions being outside their office and having a photograph taken. Speaker 1 asks about being called a senator, to which Speaker 0 confirms and mentions the 33rd weapon in their fight. Speaker 1 points out that the 6 day war was in the 1960s and tells Joe to stop talking.

Speaker 0 hoped Trump would become president because they found the alternative unappealing. They discuss whether or not to reveal something, but ultimately decide not to. Speaker 0 shares their experience of being on the run in Belize and being denied entry into the US embassy by the State Department, specifically Hillary Clinton. They explain that they were being pursued by the government due to a raid on their property in 2012. In retaliation, Speaker 0 donated laptops with spyware to government officials, gaining control over the entire government computer system. They discovered that the minister of national defense was involved in drug trafficking and the minister of immigration in human trafficking.

Speaker 0 marched in the civil rights movement to change attitudes. They were involved in desegregating movie theaters and organizing voter registration drives. Speaker 0 sat in black churches with Jewish rabbis, preparing to desegregate movie theaters. They have been involved in causes since they were 18, including desegregating restaurants. However, according to the New York Times, Speaker 2 claims that Speaker 0 lied about marching in the civil rights movement. Despite being reminded of this, Speaker 0 continued to tell the story. Speaker 2 finds this behavior strange.

ISIS and Taliban are enemies fighting each other. The speaker questioned why the US should intervene, suggesting they should let them fight as both are enemies. The generals disagreed and ended up fighting both groups, which the speaker found to be crazy.

These students who were regular medical students, they came and spoke and basically what they were saying was they were wearing their white coats, know, they looked like medical students. They were like, we're the reason that America's calling you terrorists. And they were saying, well, if we're terrorists, we're proud to be terrorists because we're sending doctors around the world. And if that's our terror, then so be it. Yep. Right? But here's this little island, a couple of miles away from America, you know, 90 miles away from America, and they have an a president who talks like us. They have a president who understands the need for a liberated Palestine. And I think that was, that definitely altered my world.

Coming from Cuba, I understand the value of freedom after losing it there. In 1975, hearing Jimmy Carter campaign for president reminded me of Fidel Castro, leading me to believe he was a communist. This realization sparked my interest in politics.

I was at UT Austin where I encountered transgender pro Palestine protesters. I questioned if Palestine mistreats trans people. The protesters were offended and refused to engage. I expressed disbelief that gay rights and support for Palestine could coexist. The situation escalated with insults exchanged.

The speaker talks about their trip from Brazil to Colombia, Bolivia, Peru, and Panama. They mention that Bolivia was very cold, but the desert in Peru was hot. They also briefly mention the potential danger in Colombia and Panama. The next destination mentioned is Costa Rica.

Speaker 0: Happy memories are the ones where protocol didn't matter, like Cuba watching faster. Speaker 1: He's in power because of his incredible charisma.

The speaker informs that the CIA accidentally overthrew the government of Costa Rica while overthrowing other governments in Central America. Due to a miscommunication, agents organized an anti-government militia and toppled the Costa Rican government. The deposed leader's body was found in the San Juan River, and the Prime Minister of El Salvador condemned the overthrow. However, no disciplinary actions will be taken against the agents as they are skilled at overthrowing and brought back interesting pictures. The speaker also mentions a time when a chimpanzee was installed as President of Honduras for fun.

The speaker hoped Trump would be president because the alternative was unpalatable. The speaker states that for six years since leaving Belize, they have never stated why they left. While on the run in Belize, the speaker claims to have learned from friends in the US Embassy that they were not to be allowed entry, allegedly on orders from Hillary Clinton. The speaker says the Belizean government raided their property in 2012, shot their dog, abused them, and destroyed $500,000 worth of property over a bogus charge. Afterward, the speaker says they donated laptops loaded with spyware to government secretaries and gained control of the government computer system. The speaker claims they discovered the Minister of National Defense was the largest drug trafficker in Central America and the Minister of Immigration was the largest human trafficker.

Speaker 0: We've set out to overthrow functioning constitutional democracies in over 20 countries. We manipulated elections in dozens of countries. We created standing armies and directed them to fight. We went after to organize ethnic minorities to encourage them to revolt. The first thing we did in Nicaragua was to go to the Mosquito Indians who had never gotten along with the other people in Nicaragua very well and give them more money than they had seen in the entirety of history and arms and training and rationales and sanctuaries in Honduras and sent them into Nicaragua to attack, kill, fight, rape, burn, pillage. And this has been a technique the CI has used in Nicaragua, in Thailand, in Vietnam, in Laos, in The Congo, in in Iran Iraq with the Kurds in different parts of the world. We created, trained, and funded death squads like the treasury police in El Salvador, and we've assassinated world leaders, including The United States president in 1963, and I'll get to that in more detail in just a moment. You can never be sure how many people are killed in the jungles of of Laos or the hills of Nicaragua, but adding them up as best we can, we come up with a figure of 6,000,000 people killed, minimum figure. It has to be more than that. These things are all done in countries of the third world where the governments don't have the power to force The United States to stop destabilizing the country and brutalizing their people.

Speaker 0 argues that conspiracy theories have been made to look like lunacy, noting that the Kennedy assassination popularized the term “conspiracy theorist.” He says it wasn’t widely used before Kennedy, but afterward it became a label for “kooks,” and he’s repeatedly been called that. Speaker 1 acknowledges this dynamic. He and Speaker 0 discuss what a conspiracy is—“more people working together to do something nefarious?”—and Speaker 0 asserts that conspiracies have always happened. He disputes the view that most conspiracies are due to ineptitude, insisting that when there is profit, power, control, and resources involved, most conspiracies, in fact, turn out to be true. He adds that the deeper you dig, the more you realize there’s a concerted effort to make conspiracies seem ridiculous so people won’t be seen as fools. Speaker 1 remarks on the ridicule as well, and Speaker 0 reiterates his own self-description: “I am a conspiracy theorist,” a “foolish person,” and “a professional clown.” He mocks the idea that being labeled foolish is a barrier, and reflects on how others perceive him. Speaker 0 then provides specific, provocative examples of conspiracies he believes are real: Gulf of Tonkin was faked to justify U.S. entry into Vietnam; production of heroin ramped up to 94% of the world’s supply once the U.S. occupied Afghanistan; and the CIA, in the United States, allegedly sold heroin or cocaine in Los Angeles ghettos to fund the Contras versus the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. He states clearly that these claims are real and asserts that there are conspiracy theorists who are “fucking real.” Speaker 1 pushes back on reputation and judgment, and Speaker 0 reaffirms his self-identification as a conspiracy theorist who faces mockery. Speaker 1 suggests that this stance might give him a “superpower.”