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The speaker received a letter from the IRS stating that because they closed the bank account used for payments, they now have to send payments by mail. There is a $225 user fee to cover providing an installment agreement. The speaker now owes the IRS $1,700, plus a $38 late payment, and the $225 fee. The IRS said that if the speaker doesn't pay, they can put a tax lien on their home. The speaker is angry because they were initially told they were due a tax return, but now the IRS claims they owe $1,700. The speaker expresses strong disapproval of the IRS.

Marjorie Taylor Greene said she found the situation in a building that was “basically empty” and questioned whether members of Congress own real estate and rent to the federal government in Washington, DC. She claimed the answer was “Yeah,” and argued this should have been the beginning of addressing corruption. She emphasized she would be different and would be on the front end, aiming to eliminate corruption that has infiltrated committee systems. She acknowledged politics’ current back-and-forth dynamics but said the goal is to reduce that tension and focus on reform. Speaker 1 asked Greene, as Doge chairman, to continue the work on what appears to be a massive scandal: big federal buildings owned by members of Congress and leased back to the federal government—private buildings owned by members of Congress leased to the government—describing it as “the snake eating its tail” and “the tip of the iceberg.” Greene described the broader problem as a frustration with the system and warned against a “shotgun approach,” saying they must not be neutralized and must focus on a few targets. She identified the first focus as the IRS, noting that the big complaint with the IRS, besides “stealing your money,” is that you can’t ever reach them and that their technology is not intermingled. Speaker 1 referenced Greene’s statements about government duplication. Greene said she found through government duplication a chart that “my staff has uncovered basically over a trillion dollars of just simple duplication within these departments that nobody is willing to tackle.” She reiterated the plan to tackle this issue, even if it’s not “sexy,” and to “tackle it,” showing it to the American public, with the hope they will back efforts when changing the structure of government. Greene reiterated that the aim is to focus on a few issues, start with IRS problems, and address the broader duplication and inefficiencies uncovered by her staff. She expressed a determination to reveal these findings to the public and pursue structural changes in government.

My name is David Nelson, and I work for the IRS as a tax examining technician. I'm speaking out because our systems are incredibly outdated and not integrated, which handcuffs us. I'm not afraid of losing my career if it means I can help the American people and my colleagues at the IRS. We use a program called IDRS, dating back to the late 1960s. It significantly impacts our efficiency; it's absurd that the US tax system relies on such an old program. I've even created a solution as a hobby to improve things. Congress has been notified about this for years, and while the Inflation Reduction Act provided some funds, it was just a band-aid, not a real fix. I want to set an example for my children and do the right thing.

So, we're from the Department of Government Efficiency, and we're here because we have no idea what you guys actually do around here. Where's the gold, where's the money going and how many 50-year-olds are you paying every month? All the funds are allocated, but what exactly are they allocated for? Also, why do 50,000 federal employees owe $1.5 billion in taxes? After an audit of the IRS, we found you owe $50 million. What about your chief of the flat office navigation team getting paid $20,000,000 a year to find the edge of the office? I want to see every receipt. If I find out even one cent went to funding secret IRS strip clubs, I'll throw you in the deepest, darkest prison cell in America! Ultimately, we're going to fire some people, abolish the IRS, and turn IRS workers into ICE workers.

There's support for clearing government waste on both sides, but also concern about the access Musk and Doge staffers have to sensitive data, especially given Musk's investments with China. As a congressman, I can say that the IRS has been a nightmare. When I write letters of concern for my constituents, it takes up to six months to get a response. The IRS has hundreds of groups with access to sensitive information, yet there were no complaints. Now that Elon Musk is involved and potentially making changes, suddenly everyone is upset. If you have nothing to hide, you have no reason to be asking questions. Congressmen will be in trouble when this paper trail leads back to them.

The speaker initially believed that there was a law requiring people to file tax returns, but after researching for three and a half months, they couldn't find a clear statute that made a person liable. They realized that the government collects taxes to generate revenue, but they were unaware of the complexities involved. The speaker attended a meeting where someone argued that the IRS lacks authority, but they initially dismissed it as taking things out of context. However, after a conversation with the person, the speaker agreed to research the matter further. They delved into the Internal Revenue Code and found sections that seemed relevant but didn't provide a clear answer. The speaker's research led them to question their own authority to enforce tax laws, ultimately leading to their resignation. They discovered that the Internal Revenue Manual restricts enforcement due to constitutional issues. The speaker believes that if more people knew about the government's methods, they would stop filing tax returns.

The administration hired tens of thousands of IRS workers to pursue back taxes and audits, aiming to increase revenue. However, from February 2021 to February 2023, nearly 6,000 IRS employees owed about $50 million in back taxes themselves. Despite having the authority to fire these employees, only 20 have been dismissed. Additionally, some of these workers have faced serious misconduct issues, yet 282 have been rehired. This situation highlights a significant inconsistency, as the IRS targets citizens while failing to address its own internal problems. There's anticipation for change, particularly with Trump potentially taking action.

Sam Korkos, a special advisor within the US Treasury, and Treasury Secretary Scott Vessant, discuss modernizing the IRS. Korkos is reviewing the IRS's modernization program, which is 30 years behind schedule and $15 billion over budget. The goal is to update the IRS's legacy infrastructure, which still uses old mainframes. Korkos says the IRS has talented software developers, but they haven't been empowered to make decisions. Vessant says entrenched interests and consultants have constricted themselves around the IRS, costing taxpayers unbelievable amounts of money. Korkos notes the IRS processes the same amount of data as a mid-sized bank, but with far more IT staff and a much larger budget, 80% of which goes to contractors and licenses. Vessant says his priorities for the IRS are collections, privacy, and customer service, none of which are being well served. Korkos has stopped work and cut about $1.5 billion from the modernization budget. He says the career staff has been cooperative. Vessant wants the American people to understand what is being done to make government work better, cheaper, faster, and with more privacy.

Speaker 0: There is no law. And to date, nobody has been able to show that there is a law for the average American citizen working day in and day out to pay an income tax. Speaker 1: But We, The People Foundation for Constitutional Education put a full page ad in The USA Today on 07/07/2000. And within the body of that ad was a $50,000 challenge for anyone that could show the law. And to me, $50,000 is a lot of money. So I went after that and did the research based on the fact that I thought, let's put this baby to bed. I'm hearing all these rumors. You know, I'm gonna kill two birds with one stone. I'll answer these people's questions they're asking me, and then I win this $50,000. And, you know, based on the research that I did throughout the year 2000 and that I'm still doing, I have not found that law. I've asked congress. We've asked a lot of people in the IRS, IRS commissioners, helpers. They can't answer because if they answer, the American people are gonna know that this whole thing is a fraud. Speaker 2: There is no law. There is no law that requires the average American worker in the private sector to pay a direct unapportioned tax on their labor and compensation for services. There is no law. Speaker 3: I really expected that, of course, there's a law that you can point to in the law book, the code, that requires you to file a tax return. Of course, there is. I mean, I don't know what it is right then as we as he was speaking to me, but sure. So, naively, I agreed to go off and research it and get back to him. Three and a half months later, I was at that point where I couldn't find the statute that clearly made a person liable, at least not me and, most people I know. And I had no no choice in my mind except to to resign. Speaker 4: I had to leave the IRS because I presented, evidence that I had accumulated indicating that the agency was violating the law and violating people's rights. And I asked the agency for a response to my sincere concerns, and the answer I got was that they would not respond to my concerns and that they would, provide me with the paperwork necessary to tender my resignation. Speaker 5: You can look through the statutes and look for the law that requires you to pay. And when you do that, you can't identify a law that requires the average person in America who earns a wage and works in private business to pay an income tax. Speaker 2: American citizens, along with the foundation, have been asking the IRS to specifically provide them with the the underlying legal foundation upon which they administer and enforce the personal income tax laws in our country. Speaker 3: At the national level, when people would attempt to contact somebody of a much higher authority, say the cons the commissioner, same kind of thing. They wouldn't get they would get answers that were in effect non answers. Speaker 6: You have to understand that an agency which will unlawfully impose a tax that doesn't exist it's not gonna care. If we, the people, don't know what our rights are, they're not gonna tell us. Speaker 4: If Americans just learned that the IRS was actually knowingly deceiving them, that that enough that would be enough for them to rise up and put a stop to it. Speaker 7: 100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the federal debt. All individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government. People have been told, you know, that you need this income tax system to fund government, is absolutely ridiculous. I mean, my question is, well, if that's true, how did we fund government from 1776 to 1913? Speaker 8: The main purpose of the income tax is not to raise revenue, but to redistribute wealth and to control society. And a lot Speaker 9: of people might say, well, gee, if there wasn't an income tax, what would happen to education? They don't understand that education is paid for, for the most part, out of state and local taxes, your property tax. People might say, well, how are we going to build and maintain our highways if there's no money coming into the government? We need our highways. There is a tax on every gallon of gasoline that people buy. Proceeds from the income tax do not pay for highway construction. Speaker 10: I believe that in both spirit and substance, our tax system has come to be un American. Death and taxes may be inevitable, but unjust taxes

The speaker mentions that the information has been discovered independently four times before, but has been suppressed each time. However, this time they believe it won't be suppressed. They mention having interactions with various agency affiliations, both protective and threatening. They state that if the US government hasn't intervened and told them to stop, then they are allowed to proceed. There are people waiting for them to publish, while others are questioning why they haven't been silenced yet. The speaker feels torn between those encouraging them to proceed and those warning them of potential harm.

The Department of Homeland Security is seeking access to millions of IRS taxpayer records through an automated computer system. This is concerning because taxpayer records are highly secure, and misuse can result in a felony conviction. Previously, agencies needed to justify requests for specific taxpayer records related to a crime. This new system would allow access to millions of records without justification, including those of documented citizens. The rationale is to find undocumented immigrants, but this could penalize those who pay taxes in good faith. The first IRS general counsel quit due to legal and ethical concerns, and his replacement was forced out for refusing to grant access to 7,000,000 records without proper justification. There are fears that a more pliable replacement will risk taxpayer data. Given past government database hacks, aggregating this data creates a target for foreign adversaries. This policy is viewed as dangerous, an abuse of taxpayer records, and a step towards authoritarianism.

There's support for clearing government waste on both sides of the aisle, but also concern about the access Musk and Doge staffers have to sensitive data, especially given Musk's investments with China and billions from the government. When PayPal was owned by Elon Musk, there were no security breaches. The IRS is a nightmare, with folks not back to work years after COVID. As a Congressman, it takes me up to six months to get a response regarding constituent concerns. The IRS has hundreds of groups with access to sensitive data. People are only complaining now that Elon Musk is involved. The only reason to ask questions is if you're doing something crooked. Congressmen will have red faces when this paper trail leads back to them. People are pitching a fit because Musk is making needed changes.

Yes, other IRS employees have reached out about coming forward as whistleblowers. They are closely watching my case, and how I am treated will influence their willingness to take risks. The personal cost of coming forward has been significant; I've lost relationships and faced debilitating depression. I'm not wealthy and live paycheck to paycheck, struggling against a powerful system that can wear me down. The IRS feels like a smothering force, hoping I will quit or be terminated. My career feels over due to how the IRS and the Department of Justice are treating me.

I'm David Nelson, a tax examining technician at the IRS. I'm speaking out because our systems are antiquated, specifically the Integrated Data Retrieval System (IDRS) from the 1960s. It drastically hurts our efficiency. The entire US tax system relies on this outdated, command-code driven program, similar to an older version of MS-DOS. I even created a solution in my free time to address this, but can't use it without permission. Congress has been aware of these issues for years, but the funding provided is just a band-aid, not a real fix. I'm risking my career because I want to help the American people and my colleagues at the IRS. I want to set an example for my kids. I'm doing what I can to protect others and do the right thing.

Speaker 0: Do you think that the taxpayers may be worried about an individual who's trying to circumvent state law by finding loopholes? Speaker 1: They very well might be. I'm I'm not really, prepared to comment on that at this time. Speaker 0: Do you think taxpayers will be thrilled about that? Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess they would need to contact us to talk about it. Oh, we'll we'll encourage them to do so.

IRS employee David Nelson is blowing the whistle on the agency's outdated systems, specifically the Integrated Data Retrieval System (IDRS) which dates back to the 1960s. Nelson states the system is command code driven, similar to MS DOS but older, and hinders efficiency. He claims the IRS could be substantially smaller with updated programs and a centralized inventory system. Nelson created a solution as a hobby to reform the IRS, automating tasks to improve efficiency. He says that copying taxpayer information into letters is currently a manual process. While Congress has been notified and funds allocated, Nelson believes the changes are just a "band-aid" and don't fix the core problem. He says IRS employees are generally told not to report system deficiencies. Nelson is motivated by a desire to help the American people and set an example for his children. He acknowledges the risk to his career but feels compelled to do the right thing. He says everyone at the IRS knows about the problems, but the American people do not. Nelson also discussed his disability and his children's support.

The speaker, a former IRS agent, shares her experience working for the IRS and her realization that the income tax system is fraudulent. She explains how the IRS uses tactics to make people believe they owe more money than they actually do. After leaving the IRS, she researched and discovered evidence that the income tax is not necessary for running the country. She also discusses the Federal Reserve and its non-federal nature, as well as the media's influence in suppressing this information. The speaker encourages people to do their own research and make informed decisions about paying taxes. She emphasizes the importance of understanding the system and taking action to bring the country back on track.

I want to assure every tax payer that the IRS will not be sifting through records randomly. We are performing a basic anti-fraud review to prevent large scale theft of taxpayer benefits. We pay billions in child tax credits to illegal aliens, so we are implementing systematic reforms. The IRS has been weaponized against Americans for years, engaging in politically based audits and leaking taxpayer information. We are restoring neutrality, ethics, and security controls. One of our major projects involves upgrading IT systems to protect taxpayer information from theft by criminals or foreign governments.

The speaker states that someone is not allowing them to speak and is seemingly unaware of rise rates in the courtroom. This person keeps asking what's going on and reiterates that the department has broad discretion and is moving to the system.

The speaker mentioned that there were several steps that were intentionally delayed by the Department of Justice. When asked if they had encountered this situation before, they replied that they had not.

Sam Korkos, a special advisor within the US Treasury, and Secretary Scott Bessent discuss modernizing the IRS. Korkos, also CEO of a software company, was brought in to review the IRS's modernization program, which is 30 years behind schedule and $15 billion over budget. The goal is to migrate the IRS's legacy infrastructure, similar to old banking systems, to a modern system. Bessent says entrenched interests are constricting the system, costing taxpayers. Korkos notes the IRS processes data equivalent to a mid-sized bank but with far more IT staff and a larger budget, with 80% going to contractors and licenses. Bessent wants to improve collections, privacy, and customer service. Korkos says he's cutting wasteful projects and has stopped $1.5 billion in spending. He says career staff have been cooperative. Bessent says the goal is government efficiency, not elimination, and wants the IRS to work better, cheaper, faster, and with more privacy. Korkos is committed to the project for six months.

I'm here with US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent. There are concerns about the DOGE team's access to payment systems, but they are treasury employees with read-only access, focused on suggesting improvements without making changes. The ability to alter the system lies with the Federal Reserve, not the Treasury. Regarding IRS data access, there is currently no engagement with the DOGE team, and any requests for access would be considered if they arise. The IRS faces challenges with privacy and outdated systems, but improvements are part of the administration's agenda. However, significant changes are unlikely during the current tax filing season.

IRS whistleblower David Nelson had his network access revoked without notice. Nelson emailed his supervisor, Carolyn Black, for instructions after receiving an IR Works incident ticket. Nelson claims he only shared public information and that Internal Revenue Manual 11.3.2 allows him to speak to the media, expressing personal opinions on matters of public concern, clarifying he doesn't represent the IRS. The IRS media relations person, Karen Connolly, stated she could not comment on personnel matters due to federal law. The speaker alleges there are 100,000 federal employees known to not pay taxes, and the treasury is allegedly not enforcing a $10 billion earned income tax credit. The speaker claims there is corruption within the IRS and people are afraid for their lives. The Citizen Journalism Foundation has a Federal Whistleblower Handbook. The Whistleblower Protection Act prohibits retaliation for protected disclosures. The speaker hopes more IRS whistleblowers will come forward.

I'm David Nelson, a tax examining technician at the IRS. I'm blowing the whistle on our outdated systems like the Integrated Data Retrieval System (IDRS) from the 1960s. It's command code driven, like MS-DOS but older, and it severely hinders our efficiency. I've even created a potential solution in my free time, a centralized inventory system to replace IDRS, but there are many approvals to get through to use it. Congress knows about these issues, but the "fixes" have been mere band-aids. IRS employees are generally discouraged from speaking out, but I'm not afraid to lose my job. I want to set an example for my kids, to show them the importance of doing the right thing, even when it's scary. My job is to ensure a fair and just tax system for the American people.