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The speaker expresses upset about a virus in vaccines but assures that it will be eliminated. They mention a person named Heiliger who was also upset. The speaker agrees with Heiliger's view that this virus is a problem for vaccines. They emphasize the need to detect and eliminate viruses. The speaker clarifies that there are already 40 different viruses in vaccines that are being inactivated. They mention a yellow fever vaccine that had leukemia virus in it, highlighting the progress in science. The speaker then discusses a conversation they had with someone about their concerns regarding the virus.

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The speaker addresses the World Health Organization and argues that current measures like social distancing, hand hygiene, and surface disinfection are sufficient to control the spread of COVID-19. They believe that the scientific understanding of how the virus is transmitted will naturally improve over time.

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The speakers discuss the issue of not isolating the virus. They explain that without isolating the virus, it is impossible to determine its composition or its effects. They mention that there is no record of the virus being isolated anywhere in the world by anyone, despite institutions claiming to have searched for such records. They emphasize that this lack of isolation is a significant concern.

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COVID, Ebola, and AIDS have all been blamed on lab experiments involving Anthony Fauci. The speaker questions the origins of these viruses and highlights the role of a particular author in proving their natural origins. They discuss the controversial history of HIV and AIDS, including the use of chimpanzees and the development of vaccines. The speaker raises concerns about the manipulation of data and the potential cover-up of information. They call for transparency, research, and open discussion to uncover the truth.

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Viruses don't exist, according to the speaker. They argue that the process used to prove the existence of viruses is flawed, as it relies on adding samples from sick individuals to monkey cells and observing cell death. However, even when no sample is added, the cells still die. This suggests that viruses may not be real. The speaker refutes the theory of viruses and states that the cause of illness could be exposure to toxins or other factors. They compare it to refuting the existence of an evil butt gremlin under a bed based on lack of evidence.

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The speaker suggests that there may be a lack of integrity among physicians and scientific researchers investigating the origins of AIDS. They argue that it is not in their interest to always tell the truth and that there are instances where they have lied. They claim that there are many others who believe the virus may have come from a laboratory. The spread of AIDS in countries like Brazil and Haiti is attributed to factors such as the smallpox vaccination campaign in Africa and the hepatitis B vaccine program in America. The speaker emphasizes the urgency of finding a solution to control the virus, as it has the potential to exterminate mankind. The discussion also touches on a biological warfare attack in San Francisco.

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Today, the speaker discusses the parallels between the AIDS epidemic and World War II, calling it a scandal and scam. They criticize the National Institutes of Health, specifically mentioning individuals like Gallo and Fousey, accusing them of being criminals guilty of genocide. The speaker also mentions Burroughs Welcome, claiming they knowingly released a harmful drug. They question why the press ignores these truths and highlight the actions of virologist Peter Duesberg, who has risked his career to speak out. The speaker concludes by stating that Duesberg has already lost his laboratory and funding, but his tenured professorship remains intact.

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The speaker claims that the AIDS virus was experimented with at Fort Detrick before it became known to the public. They suggest that the virus was deliberately created and spread through a vaccination campaign in Africa and Brazil, targeting black populations. The speaker warns black people in the United States not to trust the government or the Democrat Party, as they believe these entities see them as expendable.

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There is a claim that viruses do not exist and have never been found in nature. It is stated that no scientific publication can prove otherwise. The lack of evidence is attributed to the inability to isolate and purify viruses. This is seen as a problem in the field of biology, as the connection between viruses and diseases is not proven. The speaker emphasizes that this information is important for everyone to know.

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Speaker 0 describes the plasma-derived hepatitis B vaccine as derived from “the most dangerous starting material” and asserts the starting material was blood heavily contaminated with HIV, collected from New York heroin users during what is recognized as the world’s first AIDS outbreak. He notes the vaccine’s development began with funds from Doctor Fauci’s agency, in collaboration with Tuskegee researchers, to cross-connect arteries of tranquillised chimpanzees and comatose humans, with mixed raw blood flowing between groups of chimps and humans to train the chimps’ immune systems on human hepatitis virus. The vaccine inventors warned it might work the other way as well and claims several chimpanzees tested positive for ancestors to HIV and Kaposi’s sarcoma herpes virus, the deadly combination behind AIDS; this serial passage between species is called gain of function. He concludes this created the safest vaccine we’ve ever used. Speaker 1 adds a claim about a hidden starting point: the blood used was heavily contaminated with HIV from New York heroin users, and that the vaccine’s development involved financing from Fauci’s agency and collaboration with Tuskegee researchers to cross-link chimpanzee and human circulatory systems. He states that the serial passage of viruses between species is now called gain of function and asserts this process produced HIV and Kaposi’s sarcoma herpes virus, and suggests the vaccine’s safety is paradoxical given these origins. Speaker 2 emphasizes responsibility and risk, noting AIDS’ cause was unknown at the time but fear centered on potential contamination of the vaccine with whatever caused AIDS. HIV was “sort of hanging over this vaccine like a cloud,” though he claims HIV couldn’t survive the treatments given to the vaccine. Speaker 0 transitions to Part II, a deep dive into the vaccine timeline, aiming to quickly reach the AIDS timeline ramifications. Speaker 3 provides a timeline framework: well-documented events through May 1983 to set the stage for two fiercely contested events now resolved by a federal investigation. Speaker 2 lists milestones: - 1950s: The world’s earliest confirmed HIV-positive being is a chimpanzee used to develop hepatitis B vaccines. - 1960s: Chimpanzees and New York heroin users cross-transfuse raw blood to generate chimpanzee antigens to fight human hepatitis. - 1972: Scientists at Doctor Fauci’s agency announce chimpanzee antigens protect humans from hepatitis B; first patent filed for a human vaccine made from chimpanzee antigens. - 1973: The world’s first recognized AIDS outbreak occurs among New York heroin users, the first group injected with chimpanzee plasma. - 1974: Thirteen thousand New York gay men recruited to test the vaccines. - 1975: NYBC and Merck file three patents, citing five vaccine examples all made from pure chimpanzee antigens; a circular extraction method akin to dialysis to extract large amounts of antigens for mass production. - 1978: After years of testing, nationwide placebo-controlled trials begin on gay men with NYBC’s New York trial and CDC trials mainly in California; first HIV-positive blood samples found in gay men, all collected from the cohort, all of the never-before-seen subtype B. - 1979: September—ten months into the trial—the scientist in charge wants to abort due to an unexplainable flare-up in precisely 11 participants who received the vaccine; aborting would harm the vaccine’s reputation. CDC soon reports unexplainable Kaposi’s sarcoma cases in gay men, noting that precisely eleven had the flare-up as of September 1979; by December, 19 cases and the first death, marking the onset of the world's second AIDS outbreak affecting the second group inoculated with chimpanzee plasma-derived vaccines. - 1981: A cancer researcher suggests a new infectious agent with a 50% mortality rate may be causing Kaposi’s sarcoma cases in vaccine trial sites and claims it was transmitted in the vaccine as disease progression occurred quickly in trial participants; trial scientists confirm incubation periods differ and are longer in gay men not in the trial. In the next 15 months, another 593 cases emerge and 41% die. Merck announces Heptavax B, a third US brand for domestic market; original HBVax and NYBC B Vax offered only overseas; a compromise to get FDA approval makes the new version from human blood, but without the circular chimpanzee extraction method it’s “too expensive” for large-scale use. - 1982: CDC names the disease AIDS; CDC asserts the FDA-approved vaccine uses only human blood, distancing it from earlier vaccines; WHO warns AIDS may be caused by a virus in the vaccine’s plasma. - May 1983: French scientists identify the causal virus, enabling testing of archived blood samples; it was a chimpanzee virus, and KS lesions required co-infection with a second virus found in those chimpanzees. This discovery enables verifying the AIDS origin theory: vaccine transmission by comparing HIV rates between men randomly given the hepatitis B vaccine versus a placebo during the trials. Speaker 3 notes two pivotal events in their chimp vax preprint, now settled, and states that in June 1983 two Fauci-associated scientists claimed infection rates in the New York trial were similar between vaccine and placebo; internally, they say Fauci’s scientists spread disinformation to defend the chimpanzee vaccine invention. Speaker 2 contends that the CDC claimed no difference in rates in 1984 but that the private study remains unreleased; the analysis implies nearly all HIV infections occurred in vaccinated participants, not placebo, based on limited data and interpretation. The narrative argues the CDC private study would have shown high HIV rates among the vaccine group, but details were obscured. It alleges the CDC’s withheld study used skewed comparisons to mask vaccine-associated HIV transmission. Speaker 3 briefly references Africa’s rollout in 1984, claiming AIDS emerged there a year after a symposium and that FDA officials shifted from chimpanzee vaccines to the human-blood Heptavax, enabling continued overseas sales. It asserts chimpanzee-based vaccines were widely used in poor countries by 1986, with Africa’s initial infections concentrated in newborns and young women; the WHO suppressed findings that HIV spread via medical injections, not needles alone, to protect immunization programs. Retroactive testing allegedly shows HIV was not present in most African countries before vaccination; after vaccination began, infection rates rose in certain regions. The speaker notes a group, ChimpFacts, as a best account of probable HIV origins, but mainstream preprint servers rejected it.

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The speaker discusses various aspects of the AIDS virus pandemic. They mention that the virus was predicted in 1966 and may have been produced by crossing bovine leukemia virus Envisnavirus. The World Health Organization (WHO) wrote an article in 1972 about creating a t cell destroying virus. The speaker questions the coincidence of the AIDS pandemic in Africa occurring at vaccination centers where smallpox eradication programs were conducted. They debunk myths about AIDS, such as it being a homosexual disease or having a short incubation period. The speaker concludes by suggesting that the cure for AIDS may lie in the development of electromagnetic or electrophysiologic techniques to identify and eliminate the virus.

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The speaker, who has served in 5 administrations, discusses the issue of pandemic preparedness. They emphasize that the coming administration will face challenges in dealing with infectious diseases, including both chronic diseases and surprise outbreaks. The speaker highlights the importance of learning from past experiences, such as HIV, and stresses the need for substantial resources, involvement of communities, cross-sector collaboration, and engagement of leaders and policymakers. They assert that infectious diseases are a perpetual challenge that will not go away, and confidently state that such challenges will be seen in the next few years.

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In Sierra Leone, the speaker discovered a mission station where people with injuries were being treated, but they ended up dying. It turned out that a laboratory was using the deadly Lassa fever virus to create a mass-produced virus for population control. However, the virus proved uncontrollable and killed scientists, leading to the destruction of the lab. Similar experiments are now happening at Harvard University, but with the AIDS virus instead. The speaker warns against trusting the government and reveals that the World Health Organization spread the AIDS virus through a vaccination campaign in Africa and Brazil, targeting the black population. The AIDS epidemic has become a global crisis, but it has been ignored in the United States. The speaker claims that AIDS is a crafted virus designed to reduce the population.

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The speaker discusses the origins of the AIDS virus, linking it to experiments at Fort Detrick and a vaccination campaign by the World Health Organization in Africa and Brazil. They claim the virus was deliberately created and spread to target black populations. The speaker warns against trusting the government or the Democrat Party, stating that black people are seen as expendable.

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The speaker discusses the inability to undo technological advancements once they are developed. They give examples such as the atomic bomb and laboratory-created viruses. They mention that many scientists in the Netherlands are working on creating killer viruses, which cannot be contained once released.

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The speaker states that vaccines contained 40 different viruses that were being inactivated. The yellow fever vaccine contained leukemia virus due to the crude science of the time. The speaker says they were not reporting AIDS virus at the time, but they had a disease virus. The speaker says it was good science at the time because they didn't worry about these viruses.

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Speaker 0 argues that the AIDS virus, like COVID and monkeypox, was manufactured for a specific reason, and claims that all of these were produced by the United States government. They state that AZT, “the total numbers of [people] … killed by taking a drug that was known at the time that was going to actually have that kind of an effect,” contributed to mass deaths, and that buyers clubs emerged as a form of a black market to obtain treatments. They compare this to the situation with COVID, noting that obtaining ivermectin felt like buying on the black market, despite ivermectin having won a health Nobel prize years ago, and they describe the ongoing insanity of government actors who have not yet been held accountable. They reference history involving Ted Kennedy and his uncle, suggesting a broader pattern of government activity linked to disease manufacturing and drug development that purportedly does not help, paralleling the vaccines “that we have now learned.” The speaker shares a personal update about a friend who recently underwent surgery and is now facing extubation after three bypasses, describing him as a healthy man who should not be having these problems, and likening his situation to other cases they know of. The speaker claims to know “about six” people who were fully vaccinated due to job or other requirements and who have since died, using these experiences to illustrate perceived consequences of vaccination programs. They pivot to Anthony Fauci, asserting that Fauci’s involvement in government actions spans “twenty five, thirty five years,” and claims Fauci has been involved in nefarious acts that have resulted in the deaths of many people. They reference Bobby Kennedy describing the creation of a drug that allegedly caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of men through AIDS. The speaker concludes with a pointed remark about AIDS and gay people, insisting that “nobody deserves that kind of a fate,” emphasizing that the tragedies described apply to all affected groups, and reiterating the belief that the government and officials have engaged in harmful, deadly activities related to disease and treatment.

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The speakers discuss the misuse of PCR in estimating viral RNA. They explain that PCR can detect almost anything in the body, making it easy to find even rare viruses like HIV. However, they argue that testing for HIV specifically is unnecessary because individuals with HIV are likely to have other viruses as well. They emphasize that PCR is a quantitative tool that provides measurable information, but it does not determine sickness or the potential harm of a virus. The speakers also mention that PCR cannot differentiate between virus particles and active live viruses. Overall, they highlight the limitations and misinterpretations of PCR testing.

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AIDS can be transmitted before an individual develops infections and is classified as having AIDS. The spread of the disease is facilitated by sexual contact. It's important to note that there are many individuals who already have the defect but are not classified as having AIDS. The statistics on AIDS only consider full-blown cases and do not account for the large number of individuals with the defect. The transmissibility of the disease is another crucial aspect to consider.

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Dr. Strecker discusses the origins and transmission of the AIDS epidemic. He challenges the belief that the disease came from African monkeys and suggests it actually started in the 1970s in Africa during a smallpox vaccination program by the World Health Organization. He also questions the idea that AIDS is solely a venereal disease, as it can potentially be transmitted by carriers like mosquitoes. Dr. Strecker highlights that the virus can survive outside the body, contradicting previous assumptions. The government's involvement and the labeling of AIDS as a homosexual disease are also questioned, as the outbreak coincided with a hepatitis B vaccine program. The assumption that homosexuals were responsible for the disease lacks logical validity.

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The speaker discusses the devastating impact of the deaths caused by the current situation. They predict that this will result in a shift in research and development budgets towards addressing the lack of vaccines that can effectively block transmission. While current vaccines help improve individual health, they only offer limited reduction in transmission. The speaker emphasizes the need for a new approach to vaccine development.

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The speaker believes another event similar to the COVID-19 pandemic could occur. While an invisible pandemic might not be successful again, the WHO's list of potential pandemics includes hemorrhagic viruses. The speaker believes that if a pandemic involved people bleeding from the mouth, nose, eyes, and ears, it would terrify the public.

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The US government funded experiments with the AIDS virus at Fort Detrick. The World Health Organization's vaccination campaign in Africa and Brazil led to the spread of AIDS. The virus was crafted from animal viruses, causing many deaths. The speaker warns black people in the US not to trust the government or the Democrat Party.

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The speaker questions if the virus could be one of those predicted in the late seventies that escaped from a laboratory and infected certain populations. They find it strange that AIDS initially affected specific groups, such as black Africans and middle-aged sexually active men, but not others. The speaker traces the origins of AIDS in America to government experiments conducted on gay men in cities like New York, San Francisco, and Los Angeles in 1978. They believe that AIDS in America does not come from Africa, although they acknowledge the existence of African AIDS.

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Joe Rogan Experience #282 - Dr. Peter Duesberg & Bryan Callen
Guests: Dr. Peter Duesberg, Bryan Callen
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Dr. Peter Duesberg, a molecular biologist, argues that HIV does not cause AIDS, attributing the immune system failures in AIDS patients to factors like drug use, particularly among gay men in the 1980s and 1990s. He suggests that illicit drugs, such as amyl nitrate and crystal meth, weaken the immune system, making individuals susceptible to various diseases, including those associated with AIDS. Duesberg claims that HIV is one of the least harmful viruses, and its presence is often coincidental rather than causal in the decline of health seen in AIDS patients. He discusses the political motivations behind the scientific community's focus on HIV as a deadly virus, suggesting that researchers benefit from the narrative of a dangerous virus to secure funding and prestige. Duesberg notes that the population of HIV-positive individuals in America has remained stable over decades, contradicting claims of a deadly epidemic. He argues that the increase in AIDS cases correlates more with drug use than with the virus itself. Duesberg also critiques the effectiveness of protease inhibitors, stating that they do not cure HIV and may lead to long-term health issues. He emphasizes that many HIV-positive individuals live healthy lives without treatment, challenging the notion that HIV inevitably leads to AIDS. He points out that the scientific establishment has largely ignored alternative viewpoints, leading to censorship of dissenting opinions. The conversation touches on the historical context of AIDS, the role of drug use in the epidemic, and the challenges faced by those who question mainstream scientific narratives. Duesberg expresses frustration over the lack of open dialogue and peer-reviewed research supporting his claims, suggesting that the scientific community is resistant to change due to financial and reputational interests. The discussion concludes with a recognition of the complexity of the AIDS narrative and the need for further investigation into the relationship between HIV, drug use, and health outcomes.
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