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One speaker recounts that he did not like Bibi Netanyahu, describing Netanyahu as a destructive force and saying he was appalled by what was happening in Gaza, and that Netanyahu was using the United States to prosecute wars for the benefit of his country, which he called shameful and embarrassing and bad for the United States, a view he resented. He also notes that he didn’t hate Netanyahu. After that speech, there was a sharp backlash against Charlie Kirk and, to a lesser extent, the speaker, with Kirk having about $100 million in donors and being heavily dependent on them because his project was nonprofit. They went after him and tormented him, while a small, very intense group offended by the speech tormented Charlie Kirk until the day he died.

The discussion centers on Nick Fuentes drawing crowds and pressuring figures to debate him. A caller asks Charlie Kirk if he would ever debate Fuentes; Kirk replies, "I personally do not give a platform to bad faith actors," and adds, "I don't platform trolls" or debate with people who are not good faith actors. Fuentes counters that Kirk avoids debate to protect his donors and organization, arguing that "the mainstream avoidance of Nick Fuentes is a fear response." He cites audience metrics, noting Fuentes has "just a few 100,000 followers on Rumble" and last Friday's episode approached a million views. Fuentes says he is "presenting legitimate arguments and cogent opinions" and that he is "offering in good faith to debate you." He adds, "If forced to debate the merits of The US Israel relationship, that would be made plain" and claims "his opinion on Israel is colored by his donors."

Speaker 1 questions the letter's truth; Speaker 2 confirms, "Yeah. I mean, it's it's real." They reference Nick Fuentes claiming Israel killed Charlie and mention "the call, like, Israel called him and told him to to to." Speaker 2 summarizes Charlie's Israel stance as nuanced: "he wanted people who controlled The Holy Land to be civilized people" and "didn't want it to be in the hands of Islam," preferring "a civilized group ... friendly to the West" over hostile Muslim nations. He was frustrated at being unable to criticize Israel without being labeled an anti Semitic, and had vehement disagreements about how the war was prosecuted and messaged; he wanted it to be over and saw more freedom to criticize America than Israel. "Even Tucker Carlson" noted Charlie Kirk's anti Semitic labeling; "BB's comments" were odd; he hosted critics like Dave Smith and recognized that "young people were much more Israeli skeptic," arguing that silencing debate would be a "huge disservice to the conservative movement."

Charlie mentioned Tucker and Candace forty eight hours earlier as they were trying to control who he's allowed to speak to. He was worried that Israel was infringing upon speech in America; "I have text messages to that effect." He was genuinely pro Israel; "there was nothing. there was not payment that was coming in." Toward the end, he was "over it towards the end because of Jewish behavior". Less than forty eight hours before he died, "Charlie announces that he has no choice but to abandon the pro Israel cause because of Jewish donors and their behavior living up to these stereotypes." We never said "Israel killed Charlie Kirk." "I am uncomfortable with how many lies people that support Israel have been telling in the wake of his death."

References Charlie Kirk and the PBD podcast about Israel, and the leader of Israel calling such events conspiracies. He says he did digging on the Jewish library, which allegedly discusses Israel killing terrorists, noting an asterisk: 'Israel has occasionally made a mistake' and 'war on terror.' He claims the government is controlled by Israel, citing Nixon, and mentions 'Voting against the Epstein Transparency Act, connecting back to Israel.' He links Zionism to 'Protocols of Zion' and quotes: 'For this reason, we must destroy all the other religions' and 'Peaceful chosen people.' Returning to World War II, he asserts 'Judea declares war on Germany' and claims '90,000,000 Christians were taken out,' questions the '6,000,000' figure, with 'Red Cross stats, 271,000.' He cites David Cole, who 'went to Auschwitz' and 'exposed all of this' and asks viewers to 'look up his documentary' and 'always look at everything from every angle.' 'Love you.'

"Some of the Internet rumors that somehow Israel is behind the Charlie Kirk murder." "That's insane." "Israel also changes the orbit of the moon; Israel pushes the sun." "When you hate Jews, when you hate the Jewish state, you're willing to say anything and promote all these absurd, absurd rumors." "They're willing to kill us all the time." "We were poisoning the wells, we were drinking the blood of Christian children." "The Nazis said the same thing. You know, we're carrying vermin, we're spreading disease, and people believed it." "Well, since then, we've learned, when people spread these lies about us, prepare yourself for the assault." "Charlie Kirk said to me that he wrote me this detailed letter, you have to fight the slander. These untruths, these vilifications have consequences. And he was right." "He was going to win. That's why they shot him."

Speaker alleges that Charlie Kirk was murdered by Zionists because he challenged donors who wanted to buy him; when he refused, that refusal became his death sentence, and they murdered him. They claim the murder is being exploited to push legislation and laws that shut down free speech, including actions against TikTok. The speaker describes an 'IDF lunatic' running the system and calls this 'a whole plan' being carried out in America. They argue the First Amendment will be attacked despite constitutional protections. They frame the Charlie Kirk episode as an effort to silence pro-Palestine and pro-freedom voices. The speaker asserts, 'they can't kill us all' and suggests the guilt belongs to the colonizers, not Palestine.

Speaker questions the FBI and media’s suggestion that 'this Tyler was some type of trans kid, lone shooter on a roof.' They claim they could give '150,000 reasons why Israel would benefit from Charlie Kirk being assassinated' and that 'the government in Israel ... would have fallen' if Kirk continued speaking. They say they can't give 'one reason why Tyler would' do it, even if he had a trans boyfriend. They reference 'Raw Alerts' and claim 'the dude running the Raw Alerts page is wearing a doggy mask and diapers and into trans fetish crap' and that he’s 'on our side fighting to expose corruption.' They argue the shooter 'didn't seem radicalized' with no posts on social media, asking what radicalized trans person do you know that didn't leave a memoir. They declare, 'this demonic state ... worship Satan, bomb children' and wonder how Israel would benefit; 'What about you guys?'

The speaker addresses claims that Israel is involved in Charlie Kirk's death and reviews the FBI's official narrative that "it was Tyler Robinson, this 22 year old leftist with a transgender boyfriend." He discusses the circumstantial case that "Israel played some role" but admits "we don't really have the information we need" and "we can't trust the FBI." He notes "There have been some tall claims ... not fully substantiated by evidence" and points to Max Blumenthal as "the source of this idea," citing "the article with unnamed sources, anonymous sources that create this narrative that Charlie Kirk was on the verge of flipping on Israel and is effectively implying that the donors wanted him dead." He covers the Bill Ackman meeting, saying "Charlie Kirk walked away from this meeting ... feeling blackmailed, feeling afraid," yet adds "we now have receipts and testimony and names about that meeting" showing "Charlie Kirk organized the event and it was fine." "I don't trust Max Blumenthal... This guy's a left wing Jew." "And you know who's implicated in this killing? The left."

The video centers on Candace Owens and Turning Point USA, with the speaker claiming Owens 'puts the higher ups at Turning Point executives on blast' and challenges them to publicly release a statement about 'her explosive statement regarding Charlie Kirk's position on Israel.' It highlights this claim: 'About forty eight hours before Charlie Kirk died, Charlie informed people at Turning Point, as well as Jewish donors and a rabbi, that he had no choice but to abandon the pro Israel cause outright.' The speaker presses, 'Did he express that? Did he also express that he wanted to bring me, Candace Owens, back because he was standing up for himself?' and notes Nick Fuentes saying, 'there was no signs Israel had no reason to want Charlie Kirk dead.' The rant attacks media figures as 'slop media' and declares 'trans slop trans shooter agenda' as 'trash,' concluding with claims that '24% of Americans' are pro Israel while '98% of our government is pro Israel,' and referencing 'Bukele Two Point O.'

- "Charlie Kirk is the pro Zionist guy." - "What if they were listening in to him and he was in communications with people saying, hey. I think I'm gonna go this direction and they knew his intentions or saw this pattern." - "Here's this pro Zionist guy with this incredibly powerful platform that they built, by the way, that Charlie has, thanks to them." - "So if he's gonna take what they gave him and turn it against them, that could literally destroy Israel because the youth is people they're most concerned about." - "We can't let him turn." - "Israel was never my top suspect until, you know, I've spent twenty four hours thinking about it, I'm like, it's not unreasonable. It's not even out of the question in terms of would Israel do this." - "it's in their wheelhouse."

The discussion centers on Nick Fuentes drawing large audiences and the perceived reluctance of Charlie Kirk to debate him. "A caller actually lied his way onto Charlie Kirk's show this last week and asked him why he won't debate Nick Fuentes." Charlie stated, "I personally do not give a platform to bad faith actors," "I don't platform trolls," and "I don't debate with people that are not good faith actors." The segment argues jealousy and donor influence, noting "They blame the Jews" and that "the opinion on Israel is colored by his donors." It highlights Fuentes's reach: "Nick Fuentes has just a few 100,000 followers on Rumble, not even on YouTube," with "in just twenty four hours, this Friday's episode was pushing 400,000 views. Last Friday's episode is getting close to a million." The piece concludes that "the mainstream avoidance of Nick Fuentes is a fear response."

Speaker 0 outlines 'the brilliance of Candace Owens' and says she 'literally smoking them out' with a video claim: 'forty eight hours prior to Charlie's death, Charlie Kirk notified Turning Point USA Jewish donors and a rabbi that he had no choice but to completely abandon the pro Israel cause outright.' The narrative cites a '$150,000,000 offer from Benjamin Netanyahu' to Turning Point USA 'to shield for Israel harder, and in particular to support regime change in Iran and to support their ethnic cleansing and genocide in Gaza.' Kirk allegedly refused. They allege Bree Lynn Hollyhan appeared on Fox News and that Turning Point is 'rebranding as our new Charlie Kirk' with 'ultra mega.' They declare 'Charlie did not die pro Israel.' The piece ends with 'Checkmate motherfuckers.'

From Israel's perspective, "Charlie Kirk is the pro Zionist guy. He is the pro Israel guy." The speaker notes that without context it wouldn’t make sense to claim Israel would kill him, but asks what if they were listening and he was in communications with people saying, "hey. I think I'm gonna go this direction and they knew his intentions or saw this pattern." They describe "this pro Zionist guy with this incredibly powerful platform that they built, by the way, that Charlie has, thanks to them," and warn that if "he's gonna take what they gave him and turn it against them" it "could literally destroy Israel because the youth is people they're most concerned about." Charlie "is the dude when it comes to Israel." "We can't let him turn" and if he starts to turn and "we take him out before he ever really genuinely turns, and then he's the Zionist martyr"—blame on the Palestinian—could "unify the right" and silence critics. The speaker concedes: "I Israel was never my top suspect" but now thinks "it's not unreasonable" and that "it's in their wheelhouse." It shows how much they needed Charlie Kirk—"nobody's gonna be defending them anymore" and "their reputation is in the toilet."

One speaker believes people should be allowed to have differing views on immigration and debate the merits of the Israeli lobby's power. However, Pat Buchanan discredits this conversation because he gives the sense that he has another agenda related to personal dislike, conspiracies, and the belief that Jews are a sinister force trying to affect American politics. Another speaker questions if a certain individual exclusively targets people in the same group and makes Holocaust jokes. This speaker suggests this individual is like David Duke, who would endorse their shows. They believe David Duke is part of a campaign to discredit people on the right, and that Nick Fuentes is doing the same. They clarify that this doesn't mean everything he says is false, that he isn't talented, or that he's a bad person, but that he is clearly part of a campaign to discredit non-crazy right voices.

Speaker asserts that 'Israel killed Charlie Kirk' and rejects influencer denials. They claim a plane 'left the airport... for forty five minutes' and then headed away, 'owned it? A big time rich Jewish donor.' Benjamin Netanyahu is described as nervous, with 'No. No. We didn't do this.' It was 'the Islamist, the extremist, just like he did nine eleven.' They add 'Guess who did nine eleven?' Benjamin Netanyahu. The shooter claim: 'the rifle was in his pants' and 'the scope back on' after; 'the gun they planted... was not the gun' and 'the scope was mounted too far back to even shoot it.' They call the shooter a 'professional shooter' hired by Israel at '140 yards.' 'Candice Owens said that on her show.' The speaker argues Kirk was waking up to these things and was afraid Israel would kill him, and they did.

Speaker questions the FBI and mainstream media portrayal of Tyler as a trans kid, lone shooter on a roof, saying he "could probably give you a 150,000 reasons why Israel would benefit from Charlie Kirk being assassinated" but "I can't give you one why Tyler would." He questions the boyfriend angle, noting "we know nothing really about this boyfriend" and that even if he was trans, he mentions "doggy, diddy little style freak pop parties." He cites Raw Alerts, whose operator is "wearing a doggy mask and diapers and into this trans fetish crap." He adds, "This kid didn't seem radicalized. He didn't show any signs of it. There were no posts on social media about it." He asks viewers to comment and argues it’s "mathematically probably impossible for Israel" to be uninvolved, calling it a "demonic state" that "worship Satan" and "bomb children" and "murder journalists." "What about you guys?"

Speaker argues that 'you and the Likud party are cut from the same ideological cloth as Trump and the GOP in America.' They reference 'Charlie Kirk's assassination, who was a big mentor of mine' and say 'Evangelicals, from all my research, evangelicals are the reason that Israel has been supported in public sphere outside of just Jews.' They note 'So with Charlie's assassination and with the kind of trajectory that we see with, like, Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson.' They ask 'what's another game plan if we lose evangelical support for the state of Israel.' 'What's our backup plan to be strong, like outside of the diaspora?'

Speaker questions the FBI/media claim that 'Tyler was some type of trans kid, lone shooter on a roof' and says, 'I could actually almost guarantee you that the current government in Israel that is blackmailing the most powerful government in the entire world would have failed, would have fallen had Charlie Kirk continue speaking the way he was speaking.' He adds, 'I can't give you one why Tyler would.' He notes 'Raw Alerts' with 'doggy mask and diapers' and claims the operator is 'on our side fighting to expose corruption.' He states there were 'no posts on social media about it,' and asks, 'What radicalized trans person do you know that didn't leave a memoir that you mean to tell me he was engraving this stuff on-site?' He ends with, 'What about you guys? Drop some comments below.' He asserts, 'Israel, this demonic state that literally seems to worship Satan, bomb children, blow up women and children, murder journalists, assassinated multiple leaders in America already... would benefit from this.'

Speaker alleges that “within forty eight hours before Charlie passed away, his top Jewish donors were pulling funding from him, demanding that Charlie take their name off of the building that they had donated to Turning Point. And then once Charlie was killed, they said, never mind, put it back on the building.” He says Charlie had “alluded to a tremendous loss of money coming in” and that “more people are going to come out with information. This is all inevitable.” The speaker notes Beebe's PR blitz: “Beebe recently was on a PR blitz despite the fact that he was fighting this ninety six thousand front war because Israel didn't do nothing,” listing podcasts and asking, “Anybody find it weird you didn't do Charlie Kirk show?” Tomey is cited: “Charlie was implied that Charlie was penning love letters to him in May. I just love you so much.” He calls a “hostile takeover” and says after Charlie's death, supporters claim “the energy is Charlie died for Israel,” which is “literally untrue, and we're not going to allow it.” Okay? It's just not true.

I attended a TPUSA faith event expecting politics to be shaped by biblical principles, but the experience did not meet that expectation. The event opened with a speaker who immediately criticized Candace Owens, calling her evil and antisemitic, and stating that what she’s doing is evil. I wanted to leave, but security was intense—armed men were stationed all around the venue, and there was even an armed man on stage with a hand on his gun. The security presence made me uncomfortable. Inside, the speaker talked extensively about Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens, portraying them as evil and antisemitic. He argued that Christians should support Israel because Jesus was a Jew and Judaism underpins Christianity, while claiming that what Israel is doing is evil and corrupt. He suggested that refusing to support Israel would be anti-Semitic. I disagree with this framing, and it struck me as not aligning with what I expect from biblical politics. I also noted that the speaker referenced Charlie Kirk (though I recall it as Charlie Cook) and suggested that Kirk would not endorse the positions being discussed, referencing Kirk’s and Owens’ friendship and his past critiques of Israel. Throughout, the speaker’s preaching style resembled name-calling rather than traditional preaching. He labeled the political left as “idiots,” “freaks,” and “losers,” and spent much of the time denigrating liberals rather than offering constructive biblical guidance. This approach felt discordant with Christian teachings I associate with Jesus, who, as the speaker himself stated he loves, “ate with sinners,” including prostitutes. I felt the message was spreading hate rather than embodying the inclusive example I expect from Christian doctrine. A major concern was the impact on young attendees. Teenagers and young Christians appeared to be absorbing the message, treating this figure as a leader and a future guide for their faith, which raised alarms about further division within the Christian community. In summary, the event did not teach the biblical political perspectives I anticipated. The emphasis was on discrediting the left and on framing Israel in terms of Jewish loyalty, rather than engaging with broader Christian concerns. The speaker’s approach—name-calling of political opponents, calls for aggressive stances, and a heavy focus on left-wing critique—left me feeling that the session did not align with constructive faith-based political discussion. The speaker also touched on issues like men in women’s sports, but stated this was not the most important topic for Christians to discuss amid broader national concerns.

Charlie Kirk's perspective on Israel was not starting to shift. It had shifted entirely. Israel knew that. Turning Point USA knew that because Charlie was explicit. He wrote of his deep love for Israel. About forty eight hours before Charlie Kirk died, Charlie informed people at Turning Point, as well as Jewish donors and a rabbi that he had no choice but to abandon the pro Israel cause outright. Charlie was done. He said it explicitly that he refused to be bullied anymore by the Jewish donors. Did he express that? Did he also express that he wanted to bring me, Candace Owens, back because he was standing up for himself? And then did he, just forty eight hours later, conveniently catch a bullet to the throat before our on stage reunion could happen?

Speaker argues that "And that suits the Israelis just fine." They question how much antisemitic content about Israel online is organic, noting there are "haters" and asking "how much of it is not organic at all?" They contend that some messaging is "being ginned up on purpose to make legitimate questions about the US government's relationship with the government of Israel seem like crackpot stuff, like hate, like David Duke level lunacy?" They add, "Probably some because it serves their interest." They insist the "true villain here" is not "the state of Israel, the Jews" but "the United States" and its leaders, who are "putting up with this." Israel is "a small country with very limited resources" trying to serve its own interests. "You'd think every country would act that way, and most do," yet "there are some that don't, and ours would top that list."

The speaker condemns Ian Carroll for making videos that claim Israel is behind conspiracies about Red Lobster, Applebee's, and Burger King, and for a live stream asking, “Where are you Nick? … Why are you with them?” He asks where the evidence is and notes the tendency to attribute almost every event to Israel, stating, “the heuristic seems to be Israel is behind literally everything,” past and future, which he calls ridiculous. He points to a September 7 tweet where Carroll said Charlie Kirk is “working for the Jews that killed Jesus,” and contrasts it with Carroll’s certainty on September 11 that Israel killed him to silence him, questioning what changed in those four days and suggesting Carroll may have ESP or telepathy. He accuses Carroll of grifting, intellectual laziness, and dishonesty, and refuses to be pulled into blaming Israel for killing the number one Israel defender in America. The speaker asserts personal history and credibility, saying, “I’ve been over here. I was at Charlottesville” in 2017, and that in 2019 he led the Gruyper war against Charlie Kirk, labeling Kirk as an “Israel shill.” He claims that from Turning Point’s founding in 2012 to today, the organization has been “owned by Israel and served Israel.” He recounts a June text in which Charlie Kirk told Dinesh D’Souza, “Nick Fuentes is vermin,” and notes the ongoing fight against him for six years, including Kirk’s August statement calling him “anti Semitic garbage” and his refusal to debate. The speaker describes Charlie Kirk’s inner circle and media connections: Kirk’s right-hand man Andrew Colvin comes from Salem Media, a Christian Zionist outlet aligned with Israel, with Melissa Strait having connections to Salem and Prager University and IDF unit 12082. He notes Colvin led a “struggle session about Israel” after a Turning Point SAS conference in July. He claims that when Israel bombed Qatar in contravention of Trump’s foreign policy, Kirk invited Ben Shapiro to present Israel’s position, while Kirk acted as moderator, and on the day Kirk “was shot,” he prepared to defend Israel with his rabbi at Provo as he drafted a book on the Jewish Sabbath. The speaker emphasizes that the person accused of fighting Israel was “the guy that was murdered,” and expresses pity for those who would believe that. He asserts, “I’m right here where I’ve always been, following the facts, following the money, looking at the information,” claiming to be light years ahead of Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson, and rejecting the idea that their ideology is about Netanyahu or Israel’s foreign policy, concluding, “No, sorry. Absolutely not. That’s totally ridiculous.”

Speaker 0 rails against dissent: “Like, if you disagree with me, fine. If you think Israel killed Charlie Kirk and then vanished beneath the trap door and flew to Tuba City on a private jet, fine.” He adds, “But then people start to say, you disagree with me? You're you got the memo.” He asserts, “every event that happens in America or the world is the doing of Israel,” and says if you disagree, “you got the call[.]” He notes, “you’re out,” and, “They will. And they will.” He proclaims, “I can’t wait for the apology forms” and, “cannot wait to humiliate you more, because more than anything, what I love is humiliate people who are wrong. I live for it actually.” He concludes, “So please, please, I can’t wait to never speak to those people again.”