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Speaker 0 notes that the last administration was not transparent on the issue, but with the task force created, they have guided members within what they're cleared for. He asserts that they have encountered alien beings and recovered vehicles, with physical proof, and that he was partially cleared into those activities, having read intelligence reports from those programs. Speaker 1 reflects that online discourse about encounters and videos is plentiful, and asks if there is belief that the US government knows about alien beings coming to Earth. Speaker 0 responds that he doesn’t like to characterize where they came from, but they are definitely some kind of nonhuman sentience. He claims to have recovered vehicles and physical proof and says he had partial access to the data and to intelligence reports. He confirms seeing with his own eyes according to his account. Speaker 2 says NASA speaks for itself and claims transparency with data, and asks whether to believe David Crush or if he is lying, and where the evidence is. Speaker 0 asserts that members of the current administration are very aware of this reality and the current president is knowledgeable on the subject. He trusts the president’s leadership and believes the president has assembled a team; he says if Trump wants to be the greatest president and the most consequential leader in world history, he certainly has the knowledge, capabilities, and understanding of some of these sensitive government transparency issues. Speaker 3 says he has access and has had meetings with very smart people who believe there is something out there, and it makes sense there could be. He is not convinced himself. He asks if the person believes one, that he knows, and two, that he’s open to transparency on UAPs. Speaker 0 reiterates that the president is very well informed on the issue, and avoids revealing more than the president might want to reveal. He notes a role to cover this up through administrations. Speaker 1 asks about years of threat and testimony. Speaker 0 says he was physically threatened even before submitting his intelligence community inspector general report under the previous administration, and sought legal protection because of professional and personal fear. Speaker 1 asks about recovering pilots or remains and whether that was seen with his own eyes. Speaker 0 confirms there were pictures and says yes, there were remains. Speaker 1 questions whether the origin is from another planet or outer space, and if it is interdimensional, seeking clarification. Speaker 0 explains he has talked to many veterans of the program and keeps an open mind on origin. He acknowledges an extraterrestrial hypothesis but does not usually go there because he did not see the data, and he is not conversant in the high-confidence theories the US government has. He is not aware of any remains or signs of extraterrestrial beings or technology by his department. Speaker 3 says the US government knows, but asks whether other governments know. Speaker 0 says they know and have their own programs, and notes that two and a half years ago the US has been in an arms race with peer competitors like Russia and China, who have their own programs. He says he was able to view intelligence discussing adversarial programs and will leave it at that. Speaker 3 states that they’ve recovered things, and Speaker 0 confirms, noting there were bodies and physical remains. They discuss whether the motive or intent of the visitors was peaceful or not, acknowledging a mixed bag of activity and motive. They consider whether Earth’s genetic material could be a reason for visits, even jokingly proposing Jurassic Park as a tourist attraction for genetic material on Earth.

The transcript presents Christopher Garretano describing the Montauk Project. Garretano states that local children were abducted off the streets and brought to the Montauk base, where they were subjected to brutal mind control experiments beneath the now decaying SAGE radar tower. He identifies himself as someone who has been researching the Montauk project for over ten years, providing a personal, long-running perspective on the topic. The base at the center of this account is Camp Hero Air Force Base in Montauk, New York, which Garretano locates as the physical setting for these activities. According to the account, the Montauk Project encompasses activities involving runaway children and is associated with mind control experiments. The description extends to broader aims, including interdimensional travel and the reverse engineering of extraterrestrial technology. Garretano summarizes these objectives as part of the project’s alleged scope, tying them to the operations conducted beneath Camp Hero Air Force Base. The narrative contrasts the claimed activities with the official or conventional narrative surrounding Camp Hero. Garretano notes that the “official story” describes Camp Hero Air Force Base as a facility intended to defend the East Coast of the United States. This contrast is used to frame the Montauk Project as a hidden or clandestine program operating under a different pretext from the publicly stated mission of the base. In summary, the transcript conveys a specific claimant’s perspective on the Montauk Project: abducted local children subjected to mind control experiments beneath the SAGE radar tower at Camp Hero Air Force Base, Montauk, New York; the project is described as involving mind control, interdimensional travel, and reverse engineering of extraterrestrial technology; and this is juxtaposed against the official portrayal of Camp Hero as a base dedicated to defending the East Coast of the United States. Christopher Garretano emphasizes his decade-long research into these claims and presents them as part of the broader lore surrounding Montauk.

A narrative unfolds of a hidden, centuries-spanning conspiracy that becomes feasible only after World War II, the victories in Europe and the Pacific, and the onset of the Cold War. The speakers present a theory of a vast, secret plan—bigger and more secret than the Manhattan Project—that uses advanced alien technology and biochemistry recovered from extraterrestrial encounters to shape events on Earth. The story anchors itself in dramatic incidents such as crashes at Roswell and Aztec, which allegedly drew advanced extraterrestrial life through wormholes and used electrogravitic propulsion. According to the speakers, world leaders signed secret memos directing scientific studies of alien technology and biochemistry. Classified work allegedly took place at Military Installations S 4, Groom Lake, Wright Patterson, and Dulce. The narrative asserts that alien tissue was extracted, human subjects were tested, and abductions were staged, with craft utilizing alien technology recovered from downed saucers. It also alleges human hybridization through gene editing and the forced implantation of alien embryos, all part of a clandestine program. The dialogue notes that governments lie as a matter of policy, citing the Tuskegee experiments as part of a broader pattern of deception. The central question remains: what are they trying to do? The missing piece is implied to be a long-term project to hide, hoard, and advance alien technology for seventy years, pursued not only by corporate greed but by a darker objective—the takeover of America and then the world, by any means necessary. The plot expands to claim a multi-layered strategy to dominate global systems: weather wars conducted secretly with aerial contaminants and high-altitude electromagnetic waves, creating problem-reaction-solution scenarios to distract, enrage, and enslave citizens. Supposed tools of control include the Patriot Act and the National Defense Authorization Act, which are said to abridge the constitution in the name of national security. The militarization of police forces, the construction of FEMA prison camps, and the corporate takeover of food, agriculture, pharmaceuticals, and health care are described as components of a broader agenda to fatten, dull, sicken, and control a consumer-saturated population. The speakers warn of a government that taps phones, collects data, and tracks movements with impunity, ready to deploy that data against citizens as the final takeover begins. A well-armed multinational elite is portrayed as poised to cull, kill, and subjugate in the background, with signals of the momentous shift already present. The “other shoe” is said to be waiting to drop, possibly on a Friday when banks prematurely go offline, digital money disappears, and strategic electromagnetic pulse bombs knock out major grids, preceded by a supposed attack or a simulated alien invasion using alien replica vehicles that already exist. The claim is that the Russians tried something similar in 1947. The dialogue ends with a fierce contention: acknowledging these possibilities may be irresponsible to say, but the speakers insist it is irresponsible not to say it, if there is any truth to it.

Jorge Pabon, known on air as JP, reveals his identity on national television after decades in shadow. He describes a career in the United States Army focused on special classified UFO and space programs, including work related to moon bases and underground ocean bases. He states his full name, rank, and service details, sharing documents (redacted in parts) to verify his background: he was a 91 Juliet quartermaster of chemical repairs, dealing with water purification, and he also served as a translator in the Army. He explains he knew three languages (Spanish, Portuguese, and another) and that he was a paratrooper attached to the 7th Special Forces Group, though not a Green Beret. He clarifies his rank as E-4 during that period. Discharge and disclosures: Pabon left the Army in August of the previous year. He signed non-disclosure agreements, with certain restrictions remaining; he has received a “green light” to talk about some topics from contacts connected to Washington, though the channels and specifics are not fully disclosed. He notes growing calls for disclosure, including videos and officers’ testimonies, and he anticipates more soldiers like him coming forward in documentaries about their experiences. Prior encounters and witnesses: Before enlisting, Pabon was approached by individuals in tactical gear who urged him to take photographs of unusual aircraft (including TR-3B-type triangular craft). He was repeatedly approached by “white hats” who told him when to look up and photograph ships. He faced two opposing forces: one encouraging disclosure and another urging secrecy or intimidation; at times he and his family were pressured or harassed as a consequence of his disclosures. He states that hundreds of thousands of soldiers worldwide have seen similar phenomena and that others in his network are cautious about coming forward due to security and spiritual implications. UFO sightings and military projects: Pabon describes a range of experiences, including a significant pre-military sightings period with cigar-shaped craft observed in Tampa and Orlando, often near helicopters. He sent photographs to Dr. Michael E. Sala and other outlets; the Tampa Bay Times and others discussed his work without naming him. He recalls being approached by both supporters and suppressors of disclosure, with some encounters including armed individuals in tactical gear who questioned or escorted him. Underwater arcs and extraterrestrial bases: A central claim is the existence of massive, ancient arc ships—underwater “arcs” or cities—scattered around the world, including near Bermuda, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, near India, and Antarctica. He describes arcs as immense, city-like structures with multiple levels, capable of movement between air and water, and reportedly housing diverse personnel from multiple nations and even other species. He asserts the arcs are ancient, far more advanced than current human technology, and contain departments for different regions (e.g., Pacific arcs). These bases purportedly facilitate collaboration among humans and various extraterrestrial groups, including Nordics and other beings. Transportation and operations: Missions to arcs involve multi-branch and international collaboration, with personnel from the Army, Navy, and other services, sometimes deployed via Osprey, Black Hawk, or C-130 aircraft, to water-adjacent sites where ships lower into the water and reveal arc facilities. He describes landing on a navy-type ship that houses arcs and can extend underwater; ducts and elevators move personnel to arc interiors with unfamiliar materials and technologies. He emphasizes that the arcs are self-contained bases with the ability to move rapidly underwater. Beings and contact: Pabon reports encounters with Nordics, “ant people” (ant-like beings with large eyes and distinctive hair-like projections), and occasional gray entities observed at distance. He claims some beings can change appearance to blend with humans. He suggests a hierarchical structure among ETs, with Nordics involved in training or coordinating certain activities with human forces, including pilots and Artemis Accord participants. He links interdimensional and spiritual dimensions to the phenomena, describing experiences of consciousness, presence, and a sense of ships as living or alive. Personal perspective and beliefs: He discusses the intersection of faith and ufology, noting his Christian background and the complexity of interpreting these experiences as spiritual or demonic, but maintaining openness to a broad spectrum of phenomena, including interdimensional aspects and ancient AI-like technologies. He mentions the Monroe Institute and gateway experiences as contextual references for understanding interdimensional communication. He asserts a belief that the United States has access to advanced technologies—potentially borrowed through collaboration with Nordics and other groups—and that global cooperation among nations is part of these programs. Locations and additional claims: In addition to Puerto Rico, Bermuda, and Atlantic sites, Pabon mentions Antarctica as a locus of high technology and space-relevant radio-frequency systems. He references Alabama as a site where Nordics allegedly trained pilots connected to Artemis Accord activities. He recounts Brazil as an early personal contact point where an arc allegedly appeared near Cardos Novas, leading to a transformative personal experience. He claims a Brazilian arc has been publicly recognized as the Arc of Brazil. Closing perspective: The interview underscores a belief that disclosure may occur in phases, with multiple arcs and interactions across nations and a variety of ET groups. Pabon emphasizes the personal risks he and his family have faced, the complexity of the network surrounding disclosure, and his hope that public exposure will advance understanding of these phenomena.

I'm passing on what I've learned to you, things I've learned from my life experience, waking up the American people, and all the letters and people I've talked to. What do you believe about America? Are you helping to divide us or bring us together? Do you really understand what this country is all about? I saw a massive disc-shaped craft emerge from the ocean, defying our known physics. After reporting it, we were debriefed and warned to remain silent. This event started me on a lifelong quest into extraterrestrial life, government cover-ups, and secret societies. I released "The Secret Government" to protect myself. I also saw top-secret documents about alien agreements and a secret space program. Later, I realized that what I was witnessing might be our own government's creations, tested at Area 51. I shifted my focus towards government studies. I synthesized my research into "Behold a Pale Horse," explaining how ancient mystery schools secretly control the world, across different nationalities and religions.

I interviewed a former employee who spent 12 years in black programs at Groom Lake. When I asked if he believed in UFOs, he confidently affirmed their existence but couldn't elaborate. A year later, during another conversation about Groom Lake, he mentioned that there are many activities happening there that he can't disclose until 2025. He added that the technology in the Nevada desert would make George Lucas envious.

I interviewed a former employee who spent 12 years in black programs at Groom Lake. When I asked if he believed in UFOs, he firmly stated that they absolutely exist but couldn't elaborate. A year later, during another discussion about Groom Lake, I inquired about the activities there. He mentioned that there are many things happening that he couldn't disclose until 2025. He added that the technology in the Nevada desert would make George Lucas envious.

The transcript tells a story about Pat Price, a famous murdered remote viewer from the 1970s, described as possibly the best remote viewer the United States ever had and “off the charts.” It notes that Price could read alphanumeric information, meaning he could read documents and file cabinets. On one occasion, Price independently conducted remote viewing work to locate alien bases on Earth. He walked into Hal Puthoff’s office in the mid-1970s—the time when Puthoff was running the program—and said, “oh, yes. By the way, I thought I would just, on my spare time, look to see where the alien bases were.” He identified several bases, all largely in mountainous regions. Price identified one base in the Pyrenees and another in Mount Hayes, Alaska. Regarding the Mount Hayes base, Price stated that it had political protection in the United States government, with “their people in the US government who are making sure that no one pries in on that base.” Price described the base as somewhat akin to a large alien depot, reminiscent of the fictional Men in Black headquarters, a major transit point for various alien races and humans, though he did not credit the comparison with the same humor as the movie. In the account, when Price remote-viewed the Mount Hayes base, he and his views were allegedly subject to counterpressure, as “they began remote viewing him,” and he pulled away “out of fear.” The implication drawn is that there may be some level of collaboration and/or control by extraterrestrials within human society. The narrator asserts that Pat Price was murdered in the mid-1970s, and expresses certainty about this. The overall narrative ties Price’s abilities, his remote viewing of alien bases, the political protection surrounding certain bases, and the alleged extraterrestrial influence within society to a larger claim about his murder. The account presents Price’s abilities and experiences as factual elements of a broader story about hidden collaborations and cover-ups, as understood by the speaker.

The speaker clarifies claims about the TV show *Stranger Things*, stating the Duffer brothers sourced data from the Department of Energy, which works with Q clearances and autonomous wireless sensor networks. The speaker's parents held TSSCI and cosmic clearances and worked in signals intelligence. Cassette tapes revealed Project Salas, now used for logistics with continuity of government. The speaker identifies as a noninvasive N2, a brain-computer interface detailed in DARPA's biohybrid projects, and a precursor to the Air Force Research Laboratory's N3, which involves read-write brain technology. The speaker's medical and court records support these claims. They are not patient zero or the girl in the show, as many children died in testing. N2 insulates employee biology for security, unlike N3's overwrite capabilities. The speaker was angered by the show's parallels to their experiences. A "bone phone call" after the Mar-a-Lago raid allegedly restored their cosmic clearance. They can sense sensor networks without a chipset due to childhood testing. The speaker distinguishes themselves from augmented humans who willingly engage with technology, stating they had to understand it to survive. They criticize the government's body area network and biometric programs. The speaker emphasizes they are not patient one, but one of many survivors, and directs listeners to scientific resources like ScienceDirect and DTIC to verify their claims.

The discussion centers on long-simmering claims about CIA programs from the mid-20th century and how those programs may have evolved into present-day operations, with a focus on secrecy, biowarfare, mind-control concepts, and weather- or environment-related tech. The participants reference recently republished unclassified CIA documents on Project Artichoke, described as a Cold War-era mind-control operation that involved injecting and using various drugs to control individuals. They connect Artichoke and MKUltra to a broader history of behavioral science programs, suggesting that the CIA has pursued mind-control and related technologies since its inception in 1947-1948, often under plausible deniability and without public accountability. The conversation broadens to contemporary concerns, notably CIA-linked biolabs in Ukraine. The speakers note that, during the Ukraine conflict, there were “CIA collaborative bioweapons labs scattered across Ukraine,” and that Victoria Nuland testified before Congress about such labs, implying that their existence is not new but ongoing. They recount an NBC News on-camera moment in Kyiv that was later understood to involve burning documents at a lab, rather than a Russian attack, as evidence of covert activity. The implication is that clandestine programs persist and have become more sophisticated than the original Artichoke/MKUltra programs. Dr. Merrill Nass describes the historical development of these programs, linking them to the post-World War II Paperclip era and the involvement of German scientists who worked on chemical warfare and mind control. He references attempts to create Manchurian candidates, multiple personality experimental concepts, and drug testing in various settings, including “safe houses” for blackmail and testing under extreme conditions. Nass also discusses Project SHAD (shipboard exposure of naval personnel to biological and chemical agents) and Operation White Coat (the Vietnam-era program using Seventh-day Adventists as human guinea pigs for chemical and biological testing). He notes the ethical and legal questions surrounding these programs, including cases where vaccines or illnesses were used in non-soldier populations and the long-term health effects. Kevin Ship, a CIA whistleblower who spent 17 years at the agency, emphasizes that the CIA has not changed its core goals or organizational behavior. He argues the CIA remains a “global juggernaut” with “billions of dollars” in off-the-books programs, continuing mind-control and behavioral science efforts, now employing more advanced technologies such as directed energy weapons and potentially telecommunication-like mechanisms (including insinuations about nanotech-based or electromagnetic methods). He maintains that the agency’s secrecy is so profound that it can operate independently of Congressional oversight or presidential intercession, with “upper level compartments” or an supra group within the CIA that conducts programs unknown to the President or Congress. The speakers discuss the possibility of modern-day applications, including “graphene oxide” or nanotech-based methods that could enable clandestine communication or “telepathy” for intelligence purposes, and weather-modification or geoengineering as a tool of strategic influence. They reference public figures such as John Brennan discussing strategic aerosol injection and geoengineering, which they present as evidence of the CIA’s ongoing interest in manipulating the environment for national security and warfare aims. The broader theme is that clandestine, off-the-books programs persist, adapt, and may operate under layers of compartmentalization that obscure their existence from public scrutiny. Towards the end, Nass highlights broader existential concerns beyond bioweapons, such as ecological disruptions, pollinator declines, insect and bird losses, and potential impacts on food security. He connects these concerns to possible geoengineering and electromagnetic field applications, suggesting that the combination of environmental manipulation and surveillance technologies could have far-reaching, harmful consequences for society. The conversation closes with references to the authors’ and speakers’ work: Nass’s Substack, Doortofreedom.org, and sofaf.org; Ship’s Twilight of the Shadow Government and his X (formerly Twitter) presence for ongoing updates.