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The speaker discusses claims about the Nazi regime’s treatment of Jewish bodies in death. They recount that Himmler, outraged by propaganda about soap, issued an order that under no circumstances could a Jewish body be used for anything other than burial or cremation. The point is made that this instruction was a top-down directive, and that the dead were to be treated with strict reverence, with no body parts to be repurposed. The speaker notes that these statements run counter to the well-known rumors about using Jewish bodies to manufacture soap, lampshades, or other products. The implication is that such sensational claims were not permitted to occur, as an official prohibition was in place. The claim is that there was an SS investigation into a Buchenwald commander for alleged misdeeds related to the treatment of inmates, including extreme abuses that would implicate illegal activities with bodies or embezzlement and murder. It is stated that the Buchenwald commander was executed, but not for the alleged attempts to turn inmates’ bodies into soap or other items. Instead, the commander was executed for killing inmates who were whistleblowers and for embezzlement, while the speakers maintain that this was supposed to be in line with mainstream Nazi policy to turn Jews into soap and similar acts. The speaker emphasizes that the order was from the top down, forbidding such activities, and that those who violated it would be prosecuted mercilessly and executed. The narrative then asserts that the policy or order to stop such practices was halted by the end of the war, as many cases could not be prosecuted any longer. In sum, the speaker presents a picture of an official prohibition against the desecration or exploitation of dead bodies, contrasted with sensational rumors, and notes that prosecutions could not be pursued to completion as the war ended.

Eva Braun and Adolf Hitler had met when she was just 17 and she worked as an assistant to the photographer Heinrich Hoffmann, who went on to become Hitler's personal cameraman. Hitler and Braun became lovers in 1932. Now, thirteen years later, as the remaining German forces were overwhelmed, Eva wrote in a letter to her friend, Hertha Schneider, we are fighting here until the last, but I'm afraid the end is threatening closer and closer. On April 29, Hitler decided to marry his longtime mistress Eva Braun. The ceremony was concluded with Goebbels and Bormann as witnesses. Hitler signed the wedding certificate but when it was Eva's turn, she began to write her surname as Braun before crossing out the letter B and instead writing Eva Hitler. Arm in arm, Hitler led his bride to the study for the wedding reception. Hitler now admitted for the first time that all was lost. Hitler said, everything is lost. Pack your things and go. You to have leave and within an hour, the last plane would bring you out. After that moment of silence, Eva Braun stepped forward, went to him and took his hand and said, but you know I will stay with you. Less than two days after the wedding on April 30, Hitler and his bride ended their lives together. They had been married just a few hours. Eva took a cyanide capsule, popped it into her mouth, she died instantly. Hitler picked up his gun, put it to his right temple and fired. Hitler's dog Blondie was also poisoned. Members of the staff carried the bodies in blankets and soaked them with what petrol they could find and set them alight. Hitler did not want to be handed over to the barbaric Bolsheviks because he knew what they had done to Mussolini. Thus, taking his life and setting his body on fire was his own wish. One day before committing suicide, Hitler dictated his political testament, a suicide note, in which he denied any responsibility for starting the war. Right up until the very end, when Hitler had nothing to gain, he wanted the world to know that he had never wanted war.

The defense lawyer for Ernst Zundel challenged Holocaust expert Dr. Raul Hilberg's testimony, questioning his belief that Adolf Hitler personally ordered the extermination of Jews. Hilberg stated Hitler's order was verbal, with the wording unknown, calling it a gap in history. The defense lawyer questioned Hilberg's reliance on a former SS officer's claims, some of which the lawyer deemed incredible, such as Hitler witnessing gassings and 25,000,000 Jews being killed. Hilberg admitted omitting these points from his book. Hilberg also stated that there is no single report about gas chambers. He said he couldn't swear there's correspondence to prove it.

During World War II, the Soviet Union was a military ally whose anti-Nazi propaganda was accepted and later integrated into historical accounts. One speaker states their belief that 6,000,000 Jews were killed in the war by Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. They then ask another speaker, the president of Iran and a scholar, if he believes that 6,000,000 Jews were killed by the Nazis, or if he thinks that is not true. The other speaker says he doesn't think 6,000,000 Jews were gassed, and cautions that this statement is against the law in Germany, and could result in imprisonment.

During the trial of Ernst Zundel, the defense lawyer challenged Holocaust expert Dr. Raul Hilberg's testimony, questioning his belief that Adolf Hitler personally ordered the extermination of Jews. Hilberg stated Hitler's order was verbal, with the exact wording unknown, calling it a gap in history. The defense lawyer questioned Hilberg's reliance on a former SS officer's claims, some of which were omitted from Hilberg's book due to their incredibility, such as Hitler witnessing gassings and the claim that 25,000,000 Jews were killed. Hilberg admitted there is no single report proving the existence of gas chambers in Nazi concentration camps, nor correspondence to prove it.

An investigator examined facilities expecting to find gas execution chambers, but determined they were incapable of using hydrogen cyanide gas for executions. A supervisor confirmed that ceiling holes were rebuilt after the war. Some people deny the Holocaust and perpetuate intolerance, racism, antisemitism, homophobia, xenophobia, and sexism. Holocaust denial is comparable to believing the federal government was involved in 9/11. Denying the Holocaust is baseless, ignorant, and hateful. The speaker believes that Jews were slaughtered in gas chambers, and these are facts, not opinions to be debated.

Hitler had two poison gases, Tabun and Sarin, nerve gases against which none of the Allies had defenses, yet he ordered that these gases not be used because Germany had signed the deal with invention. The speaker urges historians to investigate contradictions, offering "a thousand pints, anyone who can find one line of evidence." Hitler's euthanasia order is in the files with his signature, issued in 1940 but backdated to the first day of the war. The order to kill Russian commissars after the campaign began is documented in the military files; "Hitler ordered their war to be liquidated." The order to kill British commandos, "that Hitler order of October 1942 is in the files," is described as criminal. He could have wiped out the Normandy Beachhead with the gases and won the war; "on no account was poison gas be used because it was convicted of the G Convention."

Now let me make quite plain so there's no misunderstandings. I'm not challenging the holocaust. I'm not challenging any of the central core stories of the of the holocaust. There was a huge tragedy of some kind or other. I do challenge however the version which had been so glibly presented that Adolf Hitler himself ordered it.

The speaker questions the claim that six million Jews perished in German concentration camps during World War II. They cite gas chamber doors that allegedly didn't lock, some made of wood with glass windows, arguing they weren't airtight and would have harmed the guards. They mention Fred Lukter's analysis of Auschwitz gas chamber walls, which supposedly found no cyanide residue. The speaker highlights the existence of soccer teams, a theater, sewing rooms, and swimming pools in the camps, questioning why these would exist if extermination was the goal. A 1944 International Red Cross report allegedly found no evidence of extermination installations at Auschwitz. The speaker claims Jewish population records before and after the war show no significant change. They state that autopsies on 270,000 bodies found the cause of death was typhus and starvation, not poison gas. They allege some cremation smokestacks had no soot and one chimney wasn't connected to the building. The speaker concludes that evidence was manipulated for propaganda and that questioning the Holocaust is taboo because the narrative falls apart under scrutiny.

Three key figures of World War II were Winston Churchill, Dwight Eisenhower, and Charles de Gaulle. Each wrote extensively about the war, with de Gaulle keeping nearly 6,000 pages of diaries. Together, they produced over 7,000 pages of writings. Notably, none of these documents mention concentration camps, the Holocaust, or the systematic slaughter of Jews. This raises a question: if these pivotal leaders did not address the Holocaust in their writings, why should we accept its historical validity decades later?

Speaker 0 urges historical perspective, noting the wartime Soviet alliance and that their anti-Nazi propaganda was accepted by the Allies; as victors, the Soviets "got to commit their propaganda to the history books as fact." He says current knowledge of Stalin's despotism and the KGB's deception, and the camps Majdanek, Belzec, Kelno, Treblinka, and Sobibor, have required relying on Soviet sources. "I believe in the inarguable fact that 6,000,000 Jews were killed in the war by Adolf Hitler and Nazis." He asks Speaker 2 if he believes that figure. Speaker 2 replies, "But I don't think 6,000,000 Jews were gassed. Now be careful. I I beg of you. This is against the law in Germany. If there was a German somebody that's in German state, you could have me thrown into prison before I leave Germany."

The speaker challenges the historical narrative around Nazi extermination methods by asserting several counterclaims about the evidence and the revisions of the story over time. They claim that the carbon monoxide used at Treblinka allegedly came from a diesel engine, but argue that diesel engines do not produce enough carbon monoxide to kill people, implying that the story had to be changed. They note that Yad Vashem discussed this in 2019, but contend that the debunking of the diesel-engine theory occurred in the 1980s, and that the Nitzkor project responded by stating it was “just a 500 BHP engine from a captured Soviet tank,” accusing others of moving the goalposts whenever caught. The speaker then shifts to Zyklon B, asserting that it “was not meant to kill people, it was meant to kill bugs and keep the prisoners healthy and alive because they needed them,” portraying the chemical as primarily a pest-control agent rather than a genocide tool. Turning to Auschwitz, the speaker references a sympathetic photograph, then discusses propaganda about the number of victims. They state, “originally, the propaganda about Auschwitz was that five point five million were killed at Auschwitz,” and clarify that when they refer to Auschwitz, they are not talking about Birkenau but the initial Auschwitz gas chamber. Overall, the speaker presents a pattern of alleged revision and reinterpretation of Nazi-era facts, arguing that the narrative shifts whenever it is challenged, and contrasting widely cited figures and purposes with claimed alternative explanations. The emphasis throughout is on questioning the established account of how mass murder was carried out at Treblinka and Auschwitz and on attributing changes in the historical narrative to deliberate adjustments rather than new evidence.

Speaker 0 describes a stance to attack only on the front lines, not against women or children, noting that “that was a data loss,” and that they “did it to all fronts” and “we did not fly a night attack.” He argues that since bombs would be dropped anyway, before the German people he cannot permit his own Volksgenossen to perish while sparing foreigners, so the war must be fought and the sacrifices available must be used. Speaker 1, after acknowledging that he cannot deny this any longer, refers to himself as “the greatest strategist born so far” and declares that the Luftkrieg (air war) is his doing. He calls it a brilliant idea by Mister Georgill against the civilian population, noting England apparently rejected this in anticipation of future developments. He asserts that in this war he did not conduct night attacks on civilian populations in Poland, arguing that at night the objective cannot be hit as accurately, so he primarily targeted roofs and aimed at military targets. He says he did the same in Norway, Holland, and France. He contrasts this with a belief that the British Air Force would be unable to escape German scrutiny if night raids targeted civilians, implying that the German campaign aimed at military targets. As the war in the West ended, he extended his efforts toward “Henglad,” and faced pressure from many to act sooner: “how long, Führer, do you wait? They do not stop.” He waited over three months and then gave the order to commence the fight with the same resolve with which he had started every battle, continuing “up to now.” Speaker 2 portrays the enemy as incredibly cruel and determined to destroy Germany, stating that the enemy has proclaimed this thousands of times, and asserting that there is no reason to doubt it. He intensifies the claim by equating the enemies’ motives with biblical purge concepts, describing a wish for Germany’s extermination with “Mann und Maus und Jung und Alt.” He emphasizes that what would be done to German women and children cannot be imagined, urging that it will be a total war that affects every German, their lives, existence, family, wife, and child—the war threatens life itself. He concludes that wherever now flourishing cities and villages exist, a future of desolation would result, turning into a desert; the war, he says, is total and affects everyone.

Doctor Raul Hilberg was back on the stand today to defend his forty years of Holocaust research. The questions ranged from the 1943 Warsaw Ghetto uprising to German policy as the 1941 invasion of Russia began. Defense lawyer Doug Christie pressed how Hilberg concluded that Adolf Hitler personally issued the annihilation order. Hilberg replied, "Hitler's order was verbal and thus no one knows the correct wording. It's one of the gaps in history." He added, "To get the evidence of Hilberg overnight might cost $400. That's how much it costs." Christie challenged Hilberg's use of a former SS officer as a source; the officer claimed, for example, that "Hitler witnessed some gassings" and that "25,000,000 Jews were killed." Hilberg admitted he left out the officers' incredible points in his book.

Speaker 0 argues that it’s logistically absurd to claim the Holocaust involved gassing millions and hauling bodies from so-called gas chambers, noting the inefficiency of that method. He points out the irony that the person most famous for gassing people refused to use gas that could have won the war, because he would not be the first to use gas, despite having 20,000 kilograms of tabun and sarin. He asserts there were no counters to that chemical weapon, yet the decision not to use gas led to the downfall of his country. Speaker 1 adds that Hitler was gassed himself at the end of World War I, which blinded him. During the fall of the Kaiser’s empire, the Reich’s collapse and the emergence of Bolshevik and Weimar structures occurred as some German states did not join the Weimar Republic and became sub-states or Soviet-like entities. Speaker 0 emphasizes that anyone uncertain about Hitler’s legacy should read Mein Kampf and hear from Hitler’s own words to understand why he held his beliefs. He claims Hitler did not begin as an anti-Semite intent on killing Jews, and describes Hitler as someone who admired and observed the universe, was a truth-seeker from day one, engaged in political discussions, and was fascinated by philosophy, German history, the British Empire, and America. He notes Hitler was well-read and well-spoken, but deprived economically, working as a day laborer with little work available to feed himself. He claims Hitler went days without food to afford a book, showing a love of knowledge, and that he wasn’t a failed artist; he was a talented artist whose path could have been architecture rather than drawing. Speaker 0 contends that smear campaigns against Hitler fail and are “nonsense.” He dismisses more extreme claims as false, such as insults about Hitler’s sexuality or anatomy, and mentions that such accusations are common against many figures. Speaker 1 comments that a lot of the negative rumors about Hitler (e.g., perverse claims) are typical allegations made against many people, implying they are not unique to Hitler.

Speaker 0 states that there is not the slightest evidence Adolf Hitler knew what was happening to the Jews, to the Holocaust, or to Auschwitz. He says he has offered £1,000 English money, 2,000 Canadian dollars, since 1977 and over the last nine years in television programs and worldwide media, to anyone who can find one wartime document showing that Hitler even knew about Auschwitz or about what was going on in the Eastern Front. He asserts that nobody can find such a document, and that historians hesitate, look at each other, and ask if someone else has the proof. He recounts that Jekyll says no, Hilgeruber says no, Jakobson says perhaps Bouchard has it, and Bouchard says he thought Jekyll had it, so they go around in circles. Because they cannot prove they have the evidence, they turn on he (Irving), accusing him of fascism and discrediting him, claiming nobody should believe him. He then says he has come up in the archives with a whole string of documents that meet his criteria—genuine documents written by people in positions to know, created not for any exterior or ulterior motive. He describes these as a narrow file of documents showing Hitler deliberately, explicitly linked to the Holocaust as we can say, or linked to the fate of the Jews, that great tragedy. He asserts that all these documents show Hitler intervening to stop anything nasty happening to the Jews. The core claims are: (1) there is no wartime document proving Hitler knew about Auschwitz or the Holocaust; (2) his ongoing public challenge and financial offer to discover such a document; (3) the existence of a verified set of documents written by insiders, allegedly showing Hitler intervening to prevent harm to the Jews, and explicitly linking Hitler to the Holocaust in his actions.

Speaker 0 explains that the Germans recorded everything at Auschwitz: for a natural death there were more than 20 signatures from doctors and officials, and for a non-natural death (suicide, execution, etc.) there were more than 30 signatures. He mentions the "Totten Grusher" death registers of Auschwitz. He asks, do you know where they are? In Moscow. Since 1945, those registers have not been published. He argues that if the real figures of the dead were added, it would be impossible to believe that 4,000,000 died in Auschwitz as inscribed on the monument, or 1,000,000 as some say, or 700,000 as others claim. He emphasizes that proof is needed for everything and expresses bewilderment that more than forty years after the event, people are “swallowing everything.”

The Fuhrer has absolutely forbidden the use of poison gas. The enemy is to use it first, and then we will retaliate with ours. the Germans would have won the war because the Germans had not just poison gases like mustard, the Germans had nerve gases. At this time, in 1944, they already had stockpiles of 30,000 tons of nerve gases, sarin and tabun. But he had put his name on a piece of paper, the Geneva Gas Protocol, saying that he would never use gas first because it would be a war crime. the nine or 10 panzer divisions out of Normandy and sent them to the Russian front.

We must revise our histories of the Second World War to incorporate the enormous element played by British code breaking, which also has a vital part in the Auschwitz story. One of the codes we were breaking were the secret codes of the commandant of Auschwitz. The top secret messages the commandant of Auschwitz sent back to Berlin every night, reporting what he had been doing in the previous twenty-four hours, were being read by us. Sometimes we read them before Oswald Pohl, his superior in Berlin, read them. This gave us exact knowledge of what was happening in Auschwitz. The British official historian, Professor Frank Hinsley, who is the master of St John’s College in Cambridge, writes in volume two of the history of the British Secret Service and in a special appendix devoted to these decoded police signals, SS signals, that there is no reference to any gassings. The majority of the deaths were caused by epidemics and by illness. This claim is there in his writing, and it is suggested that historians should look for it. Yet is anybody smearing Hinsley's name? Is anybody banning him from Germany or Austria or Italy or South Africa? No, because he’s not out there campaigning. He’s not campaigning for real history. He’s written it, and the speaker respects his judgment. Hinsley decided to preserve your reputation, go to Cambridge, become master of St John’s College, write the book, and let the real fighters go out there and do the fighting. And that is what the speaker is doing.

"In 1943, the communists will use the word Nazis, fascist, and antisemitic in order to push the public mind to make them believe something by using repetition." "Germany was arresting all the bankers because they were charging so much interest that they were destroying the country." "60,000,000 Germans died." "after World War two, all these generals in America actually realized they fought the wrong enemy. The enemy is within." "Even general Patton said we should have fought with the fascist against the communist, otherwise, our country will degrade." "There's also another part that was left out of the story." "Yes."

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss Nazi chemical capabilities and the use of Zyklon B. Speaker 0 states that Nazis had developed sarin gas and tabun, "nasty deadly nerve gases," and argues that the idea they would actually use Zyklon B, which was essential for maintaining health in the camps, is ridiculous. Speaker 1 agrees, saying it seems ridiculous and that “the whole story” appears ridiculous once examined. Speaker 1 adds that years ago they investigated because it was illegal, noting changes over time, and that they felt compelled to keep quiet. Speaker 0 then shifts to logistics, noting that there are documents on trains that came in, the amounts of coke used in the crematoria, and that everything is well documented, including the number of people who actually made it to Auschwitz. He mentions Red Cross–related deaths as part of the documentation but the sentence trails off: “The deaths by the Red Cross I think were put.”

Hitler embargoed the use of poison gas, as evidenced by a document signed by him, references in the German high command vows, verbatim references by him, and shorthand records of meetings. If Churchill had used poison gas on German cities, the Germans would have won the war because they possessed nerve gases like sarin and tabun. In 1944, Germany had stockpiles of 30,000 tons of these nerve gases. Had Hitler used them in Normandy, it would have ended the Allied bridgehead because Allied gas masks were ineffective against German nerve gases. Hitler, despite being able to gain a strategic advantage by using nerve gas, did not because he signed the Geneva Gas Protocol, which forbade him from using gas first.

Cyclone B was dropped into the death chamber, killing people in 3-15 minutes. The screaming stopped when they were dead. Special commandos removed rings and extracted gold from teeth. Children were exterminated because they couldn't work. Rudolf Herr's confession was obtained by the British through torture before he was turned over to the Soviets and Poles. This was confirmed in "Legions of Death" by Bernard Clark, who bragged about torturing Herr and threatening his family. The speaker wishes the Fuhrer had taken responsibility for his commands, stating he was their sovereign. The speaker would rather die than see the sovereign subjected to humiliation in a foreign court, believing the Fuhrer would have taken responsibility.

Nazis were enemies of communism, which killed hundreds of millions. The claim that Hitler killed 6,000,000 Jews is untrue and a fabrication. According to the speaker, spending time researching revisionist sources online will show that evidence contradicts the emotional backing for the claim that 6,000,000 Jews were wickedly killed in gas chambers by the Nazis. The speaker asserts that all the emotion is on one side, while all the evidence is on the other.

The transcript asserts that Stalin’s plan to dominate Eastern Europe was aided by Eisenhower and Marshall due to their focus on invading Europe from England rather than advancing from the European “soft underbelly.” It claims that by July 1944, communists had advanced into Poland and Germany. It attributes the instigation of Soviet Red Army violence against German civilians to Ilya Ehrenberg, described as Stalin’s Jewish chief propagandist and a prominent member of the Soviet-sponsored Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee. According to the speaker, Ehrenberg urged mass rape and murder of German civilians as the Red Army approached German territory. The transcript cites Ehrenberg’s involvement with propaganda against Germans, including gloating statements about German women and references to Jews “around Roosevelt,” asserting that Ehrenberg sought extermination and genocide of the entire German people. It notes that Ehrenberg encouraged mass rape and killing, with leaflets declaring Germans “are not human beings” and containing messages such as “Nothing gives us so much joy as German corpses.” It mentions leaflets air dropped on troops near Danzig, allegedly composed by Ehrenberg and signed by Stalin, with the directive: “Kill them all.” The text quotes orders and exhortations to Soviet troops: “Men, old men, children and women, after you have amused yourself with them. Kill,” “Nothing in Germany is guiltless, neither the living nor the yet unborn,” and “Break the racial pride of the German woman. Take her as your legitimate booty.” It further claims that a massive violence followed, described as “an unimaginable orgy of violence and rape” that would become one of the ghastliest episodes in human history. Finally, the transcript asserts a quantitative outcome: “At least 2,000,000 German women young and old were gang raped, sodomized and beaten often in view of their children or family members.”