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One speaker recounts that he did not like Bibi Netanyahu, describing Netanyahu as a destructive force and saying he was appalled by what was happening in Gaza, and that Netanyahu was using the United States to prosecute wars for the benefit of his country, which he called shameful and embarrassing and bad for the United States, a view he resented. He also notes that he didn’t hate Netanyahu. After that speech, there was a sharp backlash against Charlie Kirk and, to a lesser extent, the speaker, with Kirk having about $100 million in donors and being heavily dependent on them because his project was nonprofit. They went after him and tormented him, while a small, very intense group offended by the speech tormented Charlie Kirk until the day he died.

Speaker 1 questions the letter's truth; Speaker 2 confirms, "Yeah. I mean, it's it's real." They reference Nick Fuentes claiming Israel killed Charlie and mention "the call, like, Israel called him and told him to to to." Speaker 2 summarizes Charlie's Israel stance as nuanced: "he wanted people who controlled The Holy Land to be civilized people" and "didn't want it to be in the hands of Islam," preferring "a civilized group ... friendly to the West" over hostile Muslim nations. He was frustrated at being unable to criticize Israel without being labeled an anti Semitic, and had vehement disagreements about how the war was prosecuted and messaged; he wanted it to be over and saw more freedom to criticize America than Israel. "Even Tucker Carlson" noted Charlie Kirk's anti Semitic labeling; "BB's comments" were odd; he hosted critics like Dave Smith and recognized that "young people were much more Israeli skeptic," arguing that silencing debate would be a "huge disservice to the conservative movement."

Charlie mentioned Tucker and Candace forty eight hours earlier as they were trying to control who he's allowed to speak to. He was worried that Israel was infringing upon speech in America; "I have text messages to that effect." He was genuinely pro Israel; "there was nothing. there was not payment that was coming in." Toward the end, he was "over it towards the end because of Jewish behavior". Less than forty eight hours before he died, "Charlie announces that he has no choice but to abandon the pro Israel cause because of Jewish donors and their behavior living up to these stereotypes." We never said "Israel killed Charlie Kirk." "I am uncomfortable with how many lies people that support Israel have been telling in the wake of his death."

I was shocked and sickened by the reaction of the ghoulish and really repulsive reaction of the prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, to Charlie's death. He basically made it all about him and redirected the grief toward support for his project. "Benjamin Netanyahu is not the same as the nation of Israel at all." "BB's defenders, on the Internet will call me a liar or a kook, but that's a fact." "what he said was completely untrue." "Charlie didn't hate Jews. He loved Jews. He loved the state of Israel. He loved going there." "He did not like Bibi Netanyahu, and he said that to me many times." "He felt that Bibi Netanyahu was a very destructive force." "He was resentful that he believed Netanyahu was using The United States to prosecute his wars for the benefit of his country." "Shortly after that speech, there was a very intense attack on Charlie; he had $100,000,000 worth of donors." "Two days before he died, he lost a $2,000,000 donation because he had publicly pledged to bring me to the next Turning Point Conference in December." "They put out a flyer basically saying that I was going to be at this event giving a speech."

"Some of the Internet rumors that somehow Israel is behind the Charlie Kirk murder." "That's insane." "Israel also changes the orbit of the moon; Israel pushes the sun." "When you hate Jews, when you hate the Jewish state, you're willing to say anything and promote all these absurd, absurd rumors." "They're willing to kill us all the time." "We were poisoning the wells, we were drinking the blood of Christian children." "The Nazis said the same thing. You know, we're carrying vermin, we're spreading disease, and people believed it." "Well, since then, we've learned, when people spread these lies about us, prepare yourself for the assault." "Charlie Kirk said to me that he wrote me this detailed letter, you have to fight the slander. These untruths, these vilifications have consequences. And he was right." "He was going to win. That's why they shot him."

Asked about the last meeting with Charlie, it wasn't 'about, like, this is what you should say,' but 'talking through the issues' with Charlie asking questions and 'then saying, Okay, I think I'm going to approach this issue this way and this is going to be my position on it.' They discussed 'USA to Israel,' and 'I'm opposed to USA to Israel. I want it to be drawn down,' noting Netanyahu's stance. They talked through 'why is Israel actually an American interest?' 'Why is it in America's interest to support Israel?' Charlie was a listener, and 'the open marketplace of ideas' was a core fundamental. He believed in that, which is why he annoyed people by platforming Tucker Carlson and others, because for Charlie, 'the idea that you're supposed to silence any opinion was anathema.' 'Do I think he went too far with it? Well, yes.'

I was shocked and sickened by the ghoulish and really repulsive reaction of the prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, to Charlie's death, basically made it all about him and his country, redirecting the grief toward support for his projects. Charlie Kirk did not hate Jews. "Charlie didn't hate Jews. He loved Jews." He did not like Bibi Netanyahu, and he felt that B. Netanyahu was a very destructive force; "he was above all resentful that he believed Netanyahu was using The United States to prosecute his wars for the benefit of his country, and that it was shameful and embarrassing and bad for The United States, and he resented it." After that speech, there was an intense attack on Charlie; "He had $100,000,000 worth of donors." Two days before he died, he lost a $2,000,000 donation because he had publicly pledged to bring me to the next Turning Point conference in December. The American Jewish Committee called Charlie Kirk an anti Semite and "dangerous." He was not an anti Semite. He was the opposite, and he was a great lover of people and a purveyor of peace. Seth Dillon of the Babylon Bee was out there demanding that Charlie Kirk take me off the roster, pull me off stage, because I had said things that BB didn't like or that he didn't like or whatever. This is a trend.

Max Blumenthal and Anya Perimpil report that Charlie Kirk refused an offer from Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu to arrange a massive new infusion of Zionist money into Turning Point USA, according to a longtime friend who spoke on condition of anonymity. The source said Kirk believed Netanyahu was trying to cow him into silence as he began publicly questioning Israel's influence in Washington and sought more space to criticize him. In the weeks before his death on September 10, Kirk had come to loathe Netanyahu, regarding him as a 'bully.' He was disgusted by Netanyahu's role in the Trump administration, which allegedly sought to dictate the president's decisions and 'weaponize Israeli assets like billionaire donor Miriam Adelson' to keep the White House under its thumb. The friend recalled Kirk warning Trump in June against bombing Iran on Israel's behalf: 'Charlie was the only person who did that.'

“Epstein's probably not like a Mossad agent or something, but Epstein clearly had contact with Israeli intelligence and American intelligence and French intelligence, but the only one you're not allowed to talk about is Israeli intelligence.” He says he told Charlie Kirk to “Go all the way… Do it,” and that conversation may have hit a mic and exists on a server. He describes the “ghoulish and really repulsive reaction” of Benjamin Netanyahu to Charlie's death, saying he tried to redirect grief toward his project and that “Benjamin Netanyahu is not the same as the nation of Israel at all.” He claims “BB's defenders on the internet will call me a liar or a kook, but that's a fact.” He states Charlie “did not hate Jews. He loved Jews. He had tons of friends who were Jews. He loved the state of Israel. He loved going there. He did not like Bibi Netanyahu.” He notes Charlie “had $100,000,000 worth of donors,” and that “Two days before he died, he lost a $2,000,000 donation” after pledging to bring him to Turning Point. The American Jewish Committee called Charlie “an anti Semite” and “dangerous,” which he denies. He references pressure from Seth Dillon to pull him off stage and warns that “There are many liars out there… Bibi Netanyahu, number one among them, shamefully, who are trying to distort the truth, a truth that I know and can prove.”

"the war on terror had been a net loss for The United States, and it caused incalculable damage, not just economic and physical damage, but spiritual damage to The United States. It was it was bad. We got nothing out of it. We were only hurt." He recalls a backstage conversation before a July speech, railing against "the effort by the neocons in The United States to draw us in to another forever war with Iran," noting that Iraq had been entered "at the behest of those same foreign policy strategists, and it didn't work." He resisted mentioning it publicly at first, but was urged to "Go all the way. Do it." He then did. He mentions Epstein: "Epstein clearly had contact with Israeli intelligence and American intelligence and French intelligence, but the only one you're not allowed to talk about is Israeli intelligence." I was shocked and sickened by the reaction of the ghoulish and really repulsive reaction of the prime minister of in Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, to Charlie's death.

Epstein clearly had contact with Israeli intelligence and American intelligence and French intelligence, but the only one you're not allowed to talk about is Israeli intelligence. "Go all the way." He calls Netanyahu's reaction to Charlie Kirk's death a "ghoulish and really repulsive reaction." He says, "Charlie didn't hate Jews. He loved Jews. He had tons of friends who were Jews. He loved the state of Israel. He loved going there." He asserts, "Charlie did not like Bibi Netanyahu" and was "appalled by what was happening in Gaza" and "resentful that he believed Netanyahu was using The United States to prosecute his wars for the benefit of his country, and that it was shameful and embarrassing and bad for The United States." He notes donors, including that "two days before he died, he lost a $2,000,000 donation." He mentions the American Jewish Committee calling him "an anti Semite" and "dangerous," which he says "He was not an anti Semite. He was the opposite, and he was not dangerous." He concludes, "There are many liars out there... Bibi Netanyahu, number one among them, shamefully, who are trying to distort the truth, a truth that I know and can prove." "I don't know who murdered Charlie."

Benjamin Netanyahu is not the same as the nation of Israel at all. "Bibi is despised by many people, in Israel." There are "huge divisions within the Israeli government," and "parts of the intel world in Israel that do not support some things Benjamin Netanyahu has done recently." "his attempt to hijack Charlie's memory and use it for his own political ends, particularly because what he said was completely untrue." "Charlie didn't hate Jews. He loved Jews. He loved the state of Israel, loved going there." He "did not like Bibi Netanyahu, and he said that to me many times, and to people around him many times." "He felt that Bibi Netanyahu was a very destructive force." He was "appalled by what was happening in Gaza," and he "resented Netanyahu using The United States to prosecute his wars for the benefit of his country, and that it was shameful and embarrassing and bad for The United States."

Charlie Charlie's position on Israel was very clear. "I like them more than I like Hamas." He added, "I just wish I was free to criticize Israel and not be labeled an anti Semite, because I can criticize my own government and not be called anti American." "But why do I have more freedom to do that and not criticize, you know, a foreign government?" He felt his bona fides in that respect were unassailable and that he should have the freedom to say, "hey. It's time to end the war." On Tucker, "we took some pushback. We lost some donors." It's not necessarily Jewish donors. A clip described: "I don't appreciate being morally blackmailed." Was Charlie offered $150,000,000 from Israel? "As far as I know, no." "We would have said no. We only took American money." During the pandemic, he refused to do mass layoffs that everybody else in the country was doing, "Said no to the stimulus check." "Deal with them. Get rid of them."

Charlie was loyal to people with whom he had shared history. He would never say an ill word about Candace and refused moral blackmail. He stayed loyal to old donors and Turning Point colleagues, avoided airing dirty laundry, and, though he disagreed with Candace and Tucker on the Israel issue, he recognized Tucker’s value and invited him to events. He could not be controlled or bought, and when faced with threats to cut large donations, he reacted with defiance: “screw me. No. Screw you.” He loved Israel and the Holy Land, and, amid a surge of anti-Israel sentiment on the right, he tried to chart a path forward for sympathizers. He wrote to Bibi: “You are losing the PR war. You need to change how you do your PR. You need to change your messaging to the American right,” suggesting a more passive relationship and opposing Islamic migration. He vented privately when accused of antisemitism, but publicly avoided such disclosures.

"I like them more than I like Hamas. I just wish I was free to criticize Israel and not be labeled an anti Semite, because I can criticize my own government and not be called anti American." "It's time to end the war." "It's time to stop the killing." "it's not a whole lot of Jewish donors." "We only took American money." "There was money sent to us, like, practically in multiple instances where they're trying to cram it down our bank account, and we said no. We canceled, like, money wires and things." "No handouts from the government." "During the pandemic, he refused to do mass layoffs ... said no to the stimulus check." "I don't appreciate being morally blackmailed." "Was Charlie offered $150,000,000 from Israel? As far as I know, no."

Speaker alleges that “within forty eight hours before Charlie passed away, his top Jewish donors were pulling funding from him, demanding that Charlie take their name off of the building that they had donated to Turning Point. And then once Charlie was killed, they said, never mind, put it back on the building.” He says Charlie had “alluded to a tremendous loss of money coming in” and that “more people are going to come out with information. This is all inevitable.” The speaker notes Beebe's PR blitz: “Beebe recently was on a PR blitz despite the fact that he was fighting this ninety six thousand front war because Israel didn't do nothing,” listing podcasts and asking, “Anybody find it weird you didn't do Charlie Kirk show?” Tomey is cited: “Charlie was implied that Charlie was penning love letters to him in May. I just love you so much.” He calls a “hostile takeover” and says after Charlie's death, supporters claim “the energy is Charlie died for Israel,” which is “literally untrue, and we're not going to allow it.” Okay? It's just not true.

So first of all, I have to ask you, how did we reach a situation that prime minister Netanyahu needs to clarify today that Israel was not involved in the assassination of Charlie Kirk? Because there are some people in The United States that have lost their minds. This is a blood libel. It's absolutely disgusting and, vicious. The level of untruth is such that it's hard even to think that you have to defend it, that you have to repudiate it. But there are people who will believe the most outrageous lies, and I guess we should learn from history that this is not something new. Where does this stop? And it's really, really disgusting, but I'm very glad the prime minister addressed it. Charlie Kirk was a true friend of Israel. True friend of mine. I've known Charlie since he was 19. A brilliant, brilliant young man.

Charlie Kirk's perspective on Israel was not starting to shift. It had shifted entirely. Israel knew that. Turning Point USA knew that because Charlie was explicit. He wrote of his deep love for Israel. About forty eight hours before Charlie Kirk died, Charlie informed people at Turning Point, as well as Jewish donors and a rabbi that he had no choice but to abandon the pro Israel cause outright. Charlie was done. He said it explicitly that he refused to be bullied anymore by the Jewish donors. Did he express that? Did he also express that he wanted to bring me, Candace Owens, back because he was standing up for himself? And then did he, just forty eight hours later, conveniently catch a bullet to the throat before our on stage reunion could happen?

Opinions had evolved. And let's face it, Charlie was like an unofficial spokesperson for the youth of America, in particular, conservative youth. And I don't know if people have checked, but they no longer support Israel. Everybody under 30 is against Israel. Charlie was 31.

On a Zoom call the night before his death, I was giving Charlie advice for how to message on this issue on his forthcoming campus tour, and he joked, “Josh, I'm gonna mention your book, Israel and civilization, and it's so good.” He referenced a letter to Netanyahu read in June or July; the opening sentence is, “As a Christian, one of my greatest joys in life is making friendships with the Jewish people and defending the state of Israel.” After his death, critics claimed he was turning on Israel, but that letter begins this way: “As a Christian… defending the state of Israel.” “Filth. Okay? Absolute filth. I I don't understand it.” “There was no truth in him.” He says three people claimed Charlie said within twenty four hours he thought they would kill him, and questions Josh Hammer about “the night before.” He warns: “if I get a text message… I will release it instantly. There'll be no place that you can hide.” He sent around a life insurance policy package with “text messages, emails, private communications, videos, and private legal documents.” He says, “If anything happens to me, … they have my explicit permission to release it all, detonate it all, expose all of these people in politics and in the movement who behave like this behind the scenes. It's necessary.” He cites Kanye: “Everything that Kanye said was so real. … Kanye was right” and urges to “leave me alone. Let me say what I believe, you say what you believe. Fight fair.”

the absurdity of it. Some of the Internet rumors that somehow Israel is behind the Charlie Kirk murder. That's insane. That's insane. Israel also changes the orbit of the moon. Israel pushes the sun. You can't believe that people are saying this. They just found the perpetrator. They'll get to the bottom of this. But they they go, you know, they have no limits. When you hate Jews, when you hate the Jewish state, you're willing to say anything and promote all these absurd, absurd rumors. And by the way, they're willing to to kill us all the time. Charlie Kirk said to me that he wrote me this detailed letter, you have to fight the slander. These untruths, these vilifications have consequences. And he was right. He was gonna win. That's why they shot him. I hope they don't silence him. I don't think people will give in to these ridiculous, ridiculous lies.

He was dependent on donors, and a small, intense group tormented Charlie Kirk until the day he died. Two days before his death, he lost a $2,000,000 donation after publicly pledging to bring me to the next Turning Point conference in December. A flyer announced I would speak, and he texted he was taking heat. The American Jewish Committee called in a statement Charlie Kirk an antisemite and, quote, dangerous. Charlie Kirk, an antisemite. Yeah. He was not an antisemite. He was the opposite, and he was not dangerous. He was a great lover of people and a purveyor of peace. He was deeply offended by that and expressed some feelings on Megyn Kelly show and elsewhere. Seth Dillon of Babylon Bee pressured Charlie Kirk to pull me off stage because BB didn't like what I said, shocking that someone whose persona is about free speech.

I was shocked and sickened by the reaction of the ghoulish and really repulsive reaction of the prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, to Charlie's death. Basically made it all about him and all about his country immediately trying to take the energy, the sadness, the grief that people felt over Charlie's murder and redirect it towards support for whatever project he's involved in. Benjamin Netanyahu is not the same as the nation of Israel at all. Bibi is despised by many people in Israel. There are huge divisions within the Israeli government. I mean, are certain parts of the intel world in Israel that do not support some things that Benjamin Netanyahu has done recently. Charlie didn't hate Jews. He loved Jews. He had tons of friends who were Jews. He loved the state of Israel. Loved going there. He did not like B. B. Netanyahu, and he said that to me many times, and he said to people around him many times. He felt that Bibi Netanyahu was a very destructive force. He was appalled by what was happening in Gaza. He was above all resentful that he believed Netanyahu was using The United States to prosecute his wars for the benefit of his country, and that it was shameful and embarrassing and bad for The United States, and he resented it. There's no question that BB's defenders on the internet will call me a liar or a kook, but that's a fact. Enough text messages exist that I think it can probably be verified in pretty short order.

He's using The United States, its economy, and its military power for his own ends. What's remarkable to me is how effective he's been at that and how contemptuous he is. "80% of Americans this is an old one. 80% of Americans support us." "BB is completely evil and completely destructive." "He's hurting The United States and he's destroying his own country and I think he imperils the world." "They're gonna try and blow up Al Aqsa Mosque" "to build the third temple, and then you've got global war." "No, I am way, way more angry at my leaders than I am at Netanyahu. Much it's not even close." "Ted Cruz says right into the camera, I was elected. My main goal was to help Israel." "Where's our self respect?" "anti Semitism very often is a way to pass the buck." "It's their fault." "Why are we allowing this?"

Shortly after that speech, there was a very intense attack on Charlie. He had $100,000,000 worth of donors and was dependent on them, since it's a nonprofit and he worked on projects beyond yapping on the Internet. A small, intense group tormented Charlie Kirk until the day he died, though many were supportive. Two days before he died, he lost a $2,000,000 donation because he had publicly pledged to bring me to the next Turning Point Conference in December. He told me over the past couple of months, he was losing a lot of donations over that pledge. They put out a flyer basically saying that I was gonna be at this event giving a speech, and he would text me, 'man, I'm really taking a lot of heat for this, and people are really mad.'