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"The amount of energy required to melt the girders, the steel in the tower, cannot be gotten to a melt point with the fuel that was in the airplane." "Not possible." "So any melting did not occur as a result of the hit from the airplane." "What are the puffs of smoke coming from? Well, they claim they're from the collapsing floors." "No, no, no. Those puffs of smoke are controlled demolitions." "That's exactly what they are, because that's exactly how they work." "The collapse of the building was caused by controlled demolition." "Building 7, the owner. He is heard on the video. Okay? And he says, pull it. It's pull it." "And they made that decision to pull, and then we watched the building collapse." "And that's when the LINK-seven blew up."

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The speaker questions the official explanation of the 9/11 attacks, highlighting inconsistencies in the collapse of Building 7 and mentioning evidence of controlled demolition. They mention the presence of thermitic material in the dust samples and suspicious activities related to elevator renovations prior to the attacks. The speaker also expresses feeling threatened while advocating for a new investigation and mentions suppressed testimonies of firefighters regarding explosions in the buildings.

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Speaker 1 discusses the collapse of building 7 and requests a video clip to be shown. Speaker 0 mentions that the collapse is not shown and suggests there might be a code preventing it. Speaker 0 also mentions that questioning the collapse of building 7 is seen as weird and can lead to job loss. Speaker 2 explains that building 7 collapsed on September 11, 2001, despite not being hit by an aircraft. The building had been damaged by debris and fire, but most of the fires were extinguished by 5:20 PM. Speaker 2 questions the official explanation that the collapse was primarily due to fire and asks for opinions on what it looks like.

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The speaker describes witnessing a building collapse, with windows breaking and the bottom floor caving in. Another speaker recalls watching a show where Larry Silverstein, the owner of World Trade Center 7, mentioned that the building was brought down through controlled demolition. The speaker confirms that Silverstein used those words. There is a mention of a phone call where someone suggests pulling the building due to the inability to contain a fire. The speaker also mentions contacting the History Channel to inquire about the show, but it was not available to the public. The cause of the collapse is uncertain, whether it was engineered for safety or a result of the collisions.

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The interviewer confronts Larry Silverstein about conspiracy theories surrounding his comments on the collapse of Building 7 on 9/11. Silverstein's response only fuels more speculation. The interviewer questions Silverstein's claim that firefighters made the decision to "pull" the building, pointing out that the firefighters were already outside the building by then. The interviewer also mentions that the fire chief denies speaking to Silverstein on that day. Silverstein deflects the questions and suggests looking at the thousands of pages of testimony. The interviewer brings up testimony about bombs in the building before its collapse, but is interrupted and eventually asked to leave. The interviewer concludes by urging reporters to ask more questions.

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The speakers discuss their views on Building 7 and the 9/11 attacks. Speaker 0 believes that the buildings came down due to isolated pockets of fire or controlled demolition. They express frustration with conspiracy theories and wish those who promote them would be kicked out. Speaker 1 mentions the history of government-sponsored terror and questions whether the government was involved in 9/11. Speaker 0 dismisses these ideas, stating that real evidence is needed before making such claims. Speaker 1 argues that the implications are significant and that evidence withheld by the government should be released. Speaker 0 accuses Speaker 1 of making things worse for the victims' families.

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The speaker witnessed the collapse of a building after a shockwave and windows breaking. In 2004, they saw Larry Silverstein on a show where he mentioned that Building 7 was brought down in a controlled demolition. The speaker contacted the History Channel to obtain a copy of the show but was told it was not available. Questions remain about whether the building's collapse was due to safety measures or the earlier attacks.

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The speaker believes 9/11 will be the biggest scandal in American history due to available recorded and personal information. They accuse agencies of creating conspiracies and discrediting people as "conspiracy theorists." The speaker calls for a commission with people of integrity to study the facts and allow architects and firefighters to testify under oath. The speaker claims there's pressure on firefighters not to talk, and those who do are sidelined. They assert that people on tape reported hearing explosions during the event. They state the buildings were designed to withstand a plane impact, and that Building 7, which wasn't hit by a plane, imploded. The speaker recounts the story of Battalion Chief Oriole Palmer, who reached the 78th floor and reported they could handle the fires one minute before the building collapsed, which the speaker finds abnormal and unacceptable. They suggest the collapses resembled controlled demolitions.

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The speakers witnessed the collapse of a building after a shockwave and discussed Larry Silverstein's mention of a controlled demolition of World Trade Center 7. Silverstein used the term "pull it" in reference to the decision to bring down the building. The speakers were surprised by this revelation and questioned the circumstances surrounding the collapse, wondering if it was due to safety measures or the impact of the earlier events of the day.

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The speaker discusses the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings on 9/11. They question the official explanation that the collapses were solely caused by the impact of the planes and subsequent fires. The speaker highlights the uniform collapse of Building 7 and suggests that controlled demolition may have been involved. They mention the presence of explosive material in the dust samples and the suspicious elevator renovation prior to the attack. The speaker also mentions suppressed testimonies from firefighters regarding explosions in the buildings. They express feeling threatened while advocating for a new investigation.

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Speaker 0 asks if the government was involved in the 9/11 attack and if there is a conspiracy. Speaker 1 disagrees, but believes it's the first time fire has melted steel. They mention the collapse of World Trade Center 7 and suggest it couldn't have fallen without explosives. Speaker 0 asks who is responsible, and Speaker 1 admits they don't know but insists it was an implosion. They suggest looking at films and consulting physics experts to understand. Speaker 1 says it's unthinkable, but if someone could prove it, it would be significant.

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A person questions how a plane, even a large one like a 767 or 747, could have caused the destruction of the World Trade Center. They suggest that bombs may have been involved due to the difficulty of a plane penetrating the building. The speaker also mentions that most buildings have steel on the inside, but the World Trade Center was built with steel on the outside, making it stronger. Another person agrees, mentioning the explosion that occurred on the other side of the building. The first person believes that the planes used in the attacks were not only carrying fuel but also something else. They note the speed and trajectory of the planes, suggesting that the destruction caused was more than what a plane alone could do. The speaker concludes by stating that the events of 9/11 have forever changed the country.

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The speaker questions the official explanation of the 9/11 attacks, focusing on the collapse of Building 7. They argue that the building's uniform collapse indicates controlled demolition rather than fire damage. Comparing it to a stack of cast iron stoves, they suggest that the intact structure below should have slowed the collapse. The speaker believes there is more to the story than just planes and fire.

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The speaker claims the only high-rise buildings to collapse from airplane impacts were the World Trade Center towers. They cite an architect's report stating the buildings were designed to withstand such impacts. One speaker says the collapses defied physics, stating that the upper sections should have destroyed the lower sections, not crushed them. Another speaker says the collapse of Building 7, which was not hit by a plane, resembled a controlled demolition. A fire battalion chief, Oriole Palmer, reported being on the 78th floor, the floor of impact, and said they had two fires under control one minute before the building collapsed. The speaker alleges a cover-up related to 9/11, claiming the 9/11 Commission was part of it, led by Philip Zelikow, who was allegedly handpicked by Condoleezza Rice. They say Zelikow met with Tony Schaeffer in Afghanistan and then targeted him upon his return to the US. The speaker says they called it a scandal bigger than Watergate.

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Former Pennsylvania GOP rep Kurt Weldon is calling for a Trump administration investigation into 9/11, claiming it will be the "biggest scandal in American history." He questions the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings, noting they are the only high-rises to ever collapse from airplane impacts, and that they were designed to withstand such impacts. A firefighter who ascended to the 78th floor of one of the towers reported two controllable fires moments before the building's collapse. Building 7, which wasn't hit by a plane, also collapsed. An insurance expert stated that a 47-story building doesn't just collapse from fire. A BBC report announced the collapse of the Salomon Brothers building (WTC 7) while it was still standing in the background. Larry Silverstein, the World Trade Center leaseholder, stated that "they made the decision to pull Building 7," implying a controlled demolition. The speaker suggests that the truth about 9/11 could change the country, referencing the Patriot Act and TSA checkpoints as consequences of the event.

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The discussion revolves around the collapse of Tower 7, questioning if it was a controlled demolition due to sounds of explosions heard before the building fell. The faint sounds of explosions were captured on tape, sparking debate. The possibility of damage from neighboring towers, fires, and diesel fuel in the basement weakening the structure is also considered. However, experts argue that the collapse was not solely due to fuel oil fires as they wouldn't have generated enough heat to weaken critical columns.

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We saw a building collapse after a shockwave ripped through it, and Larry Silverstein mentioned in a TV show that Building 7 was brought down in a controlled demolition. He stated that the decision to "pull it" was made due to safety concerns. The speaker contacted the History Channel about the show but was told it was not available to the public. The cause of Building 7's collapse remains uncertain, whether it was intentional or a result of the earlier attacks.

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The speaker questions the official explanation of the 9/11 attacks, focusing on the collapse of Building 7. They argue that the building's collapse was not due to fire but rather controlled demolition, citing evidence such as the presence of explosive material in dust samples and reports of unusual elevator renovations prior to the attacks. The speaker also mentions suppressed testimonies from firefighters about explosions in the building. They express feeling threatened while advocating for a new investigation.

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The official 9/11 narrative strains credulity, with its tales of improbable feats. Larry Silverstein bought the Twin Towers shortly before 9/11, insured them for double their value with terrorism coverage, and then profited immensely after their destruction. The Pentagon announced $2.7 trillion in missing funds the day before 9/11, only to have their accounting department struck the next day. Building 7 collapsed due to a small office fire according to the news, but structural engineers call that impossible, stating it was a controlled demolition. How did three steel structures collapse due to fire when it had never happened before? Explosions were reported by survivors. Explosive materials were found at Ground Zero. Who were the Israeli artists living in the towers, and why were Israelis arrested for celebrating the towers' collapse? Why do engineers and architects challenge the official narrative?

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In the discussion, the collapse of Building 7 is debated through direct claims by several speakers. Speaker 0 states, "I saw Building 7 come down, and it was a controlled demolition. A classic controlled demolition." Speaker 1 counters with skepticism, arguing that "That building had no reason to come down. There's no history of a high rise fire and a fireproof resulting in failure of the building because the building is, in New York City, parlance, a class one, which is a single word, fireproof." The exchange shifts toward accountability and transparency. Speaker 2 asserts, "I demand to know, as should everyone, especially the media, why important testimony from made that day from over a 150 police, firefighters, and first responders regarding explosions wasn't included in the commission report nor investigated further." The conversation then moves to specific explosive claims. Speaker 3 contends, "It was a secondary explosion, probably a device either planted before or on the aircraft that did not explode until a hour later. I'm gonna call the vehicle right now. You gotta get back to me. Five minutes and the elevators exploded on us." A sense of urgency and confusion is conveyed, with a voice adding, "We we we we said something's wrong here. I mean, the plane hit up on the Eightieth Floor. I mean, fuck. In five minutes, all of a sudden, now the elevator's exploding on the first level in the lobby?" Personal losses and the human cost are underscored. Speaker 0 reflects on the impact on his own life, saying, "And it's the first thing I think of when I get up in the morning, and it's the last thing at night before I go to bed. I lost Tommy O'Hagan, Kenny Kompel, and Bruce Van Hynes that day." The conversation culminates with a tribute to fallen colleagues. Speaker 2 notes, "343 firefighters, including three of my good friends, Thomas Hetzel, Bobby Evans, and Mike Keefer, perished that day. And these were some of the best and the bravest people in the world. And they, along with the rest of those who were murdered and died horrible deaths, deserve justice."

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Speaker 0 asserts that 9/11 is the biggest lie of our lifetime and that he was on-site, believing it may have been a false flag. He states it is obvious to him that Building 7 was a controlled demolition because the building collapses from the bottom down, a uniform collapse requiring all load-bearing columns to fail simultaneously; he contrasts this with the Twin Towers, which he says collapse top-down in a progressive collapse. He notes that the trade centers were designed to withstand jet impacts and, referencing his experience in heavy construction, describes the outer columns as a “fishnet” and the inner core columns as thick steel beams capable of withstanding four to five times the loads. He claims engineers routinely over-design buildings. He mentions that dust samples contained what is called thermitic material, described as an explosive incendiary, and cites documented reports. He alleges extensive elevator renovations in the two to three years prior to 9/11, that many workers had access to the cores of the buildings, and that on the day of the attack the elevator company would not assist in elevator operations and subsequently went out of business. He references sworn firefighter testimonies a couple of years after 9/11 about explosions in the buildings and asserts these were suppressed, as Building 7 was ignored in the 9/11 Commission Report. Regarding Al Qaeda, he contends that Al Qaeda’s role is something he does not think exists, suggesting it is made up. He recalls the FBI’s 2006 statement that there was no concrete evidence linking Osama bin Laden with 9/11 and notes that Osama bin Laden worked for the CIA in Afghanistan, helping fight the Russians, and that the CIA helped orchestrate 9/11, calling it “their plan.”

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Speaker 1 discusses his involvement in 9/11-related inquiries after receiving concerns from families. He emphasizes the role of whistleblowers who fear disclosure of anonymity, noting that while his office is good at protecting identities, not every congressional office is. He credits investigative reporters for bringing information forward and explains that his involvement began when nine/eleven families approached him with a heavily redacted FBI report on Saudi involvement, asking for it to be unredacted. He mentions that Richard Blumenthal is the chairman of PSI in the last Congress and that the inquiry extended to topics like the PGA Tour’s deal with Live Golf and Saudi Arabia, but that those are private matters not to be intruded upon. He says, however, that due to the redacted FBI document about Saudi involvement, he started gathering information and is currently in a position to review it, with an invitation to the audience to share information, though with the expectation that information will be debunked by his staff. He notes his own background from Oshkosh, Wisconsin, and that he initially accepted the prevailing narrative about 9/11 but began receiving information from sources that challenged it, leading him to pursue a more open investigation. He stresses that his staff’s primary goal is to obtain information and debunk it, to poke holes in the claims, and that he does not want to avoid discussing the topic. He acknowledges there are many legitimate questions that he is willing to ask, starting with World Trade Center 7, a building he had not heard of before. He asks why it is so difficult to discuss these topics and why legitimate questions seem to be quashed, suggesting there is something unexplained that has not been disclosed. He mentions public reception, including hostile comments online, and notes that many Americans had never heard of World Trade Center 7. Speaker 1 describes the scene surrounding WTC7, including a BBC reporter on air describing its collapse while the building still appears to be standing behind her. He points to a video that appears to show a single perspective of the event and references a later interview with a controlled demolition expert who asserted it was controlled demolition, though this assertion predates the event. He emphasizes that the building collapsed on September 11, and there are unanswered questions. He recounts Graham McQueen’s investigation before his death, who compiled approximately 150 documented recordings from first responders and reporters on the morning of 9/11 who said they heard explosions. He states that the 9/11 Commission and NIST did not discuss these explosions. He mentions Barry Jennings, who was in Building 7, who had to evacuate, but could not gather because the stairwell between the 6th and 8th floors had been blown out.

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Speaker 0: Alleging not simply a cover up by the US government, but by the entire American media. It's totally implausible. Like, we would report that if that were true. Building 7 was not hit by an airplane. Speaker 3: That's seen Building 7 collapse, the Sallon Brothers building? No. I wanna show you that right now. Speaker 4: Now here, we're gonna show you a videotape of the collapse itself. Describe that feeling. Now we go to videotape the collapse of this building. It's amazing. Amazing. Speaker 3: I t's reminiscent of those pictures we've all seen too much on television before when a building was deliberately store destroyed by well placed dynamite to knock it down. No plane hit that building. Speaker 6: Well, it starts with Building 7. Yes. Where you look at that and it just yeah. I mean, this this is really weird. You know, it it does come down just like a, you know, building demolition type of project. When you start putting together at what temperature steel melts. They had molten steel in the twin towers, and I'm not sure we had a number seven. Speaker 0: I never questioned anything about nine eleven, and I actively attacked people who did. I'm ashamed of that, but that's a fact. Speaker 6: And, of course, the Overton window is is is is about this is what you can discuss without threat or without, you know, risk. And but you gotta go beyond that. Speaker 0: What began to make me wonder, I have no idea what happened in 09/11, but it's very clear that there's a lot of lying around it, was the collapse of Building 7. Speaker 0: because I was part of the cover up, and I feel guilty about it. That's why. And I'm trying to atone for my previous sense. That's the real reason. Speaker 0: I did it on tape more than once because my feeling was, well, you know, like, that's divisive or whatever. I was a child and an idiot.

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The discussion centers on the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 on 9/11, which was not hit by a plane. A video clip shows the building's collapse, described as reminiscent of a controlled demolition. One speaker recalls news reports announcing the building's collapse before it happened. Another speaker, with a background in fire protection and insurance, states that a 47-story building doesn't typically collapse due to fire. One speaker admits to previously attacking 9/11 conspiracy theorists but now questions the official narrative, particularly regarding Building 7. An Alaskan structural engineering professor's four-year study allegedly debunks the NIST analysis of the collapse. Molten steel was reportedly present in the Twin Towers. The symmetrical nature of Building 7's collapse is questioned, with one speaker suggesting it resembles a controlled demolition. One speaker suggests they broadened the Overton window on the topic because they were part of the cover-up and feel guilty.

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9/11 and Anthrax 20 Years On with Graeme MacQueen
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Whitney Webb and Graeme MacQueen discuss two intertwined legacies from 02/2001: the 9/11 attacks and the anthrax campaign, arguing that public reckoning remains incomplete and that these events are linked in ways that challenge the official narratives. They begin with Building 7, the 47-story World Trade Center tower that was not struck by a plane yet collapsed in a symmetrical free fall. MacQueen emphasizes Building 7’s significance beyond its inconvenience to the official story: it housed the Office of Emergency Management for the mayor, as well as FBI and Secret Service spaces, making its collapse highly consequential if explained as a demolition. He notes foreknowledge of the collapse among Fire Department of New York personnel and cites his analysis of the World Trade Center Task Force report, which he argues shows unusual advance awareness. He references eyewitness accounts, such as Barry Jenkins, inside the building, who described abrupt evacuation and an explosion that affected stairs, and he cites the Halsey report from the University of Alaska, which contends the official narrative cannot account for the collapse without virtually simultaneous column removal, implying controlled demolition. CNN’s on-air missteps and BBC errors are also cited as indicators of the episode’s irregularities. Building 7 is presented as a linchpin, not merely a curiosity or meme, and its collapse is positioned as a focal point for questioning the broader narrative around 9/11. The conversation expands to the broader politics of 9/11, the transition from Cold War to a global war on terror, and the possibility that intelligence operations and insider actions were aimed at guiding that shift. They discuss Jerome Hauer’s role, the Office of Emergency Management, and the odd abandonment of secure offices prior to 7’s collapse, along with other high-security actors in the building. MacQueen cites the pattern of early, sometimes sensational media coverage and the later discrediting or neglect of dissent, including the assertion that the 9/11 Commission Report is flawed and incomplete. The dialogue moves to the anthrax attacks, noting overlaps in personnel between 9/11 and anthrax, including Florida connections, the first victim Robert Stevens, and Gloria Irish, a realtor linked to both Stevens and some of the hijackers. The “double perpetrator” hypothesis—Al Qaeda with Iraq as a sponsor—was proposed but collapsed when anthrax appeared domestically to originate inside the United States; the FBI later acknowledged this, leading to a narrative shift toward a lone perpetrator (Bruce Ivins) and a public-relations pivot away from 9/11 connections. They discuss Dark Winter, a pre-9/11 bioterror tabletop exercise that anticipated martial-law provisions, and the involvement of figures like Judith Miller, Dick Cheney, and others in shaping the narrative and policy, including the Patriot Act. The conversation emphasizes fear as a tool used by officials and media to consolidate power, the challenges of independent media censorship, and the need for careful, broad coalitions rather than personality-driven fights. They conclude by stressing the value of studying the consensus panels, archival work, and professional analyses, and recommending reading as a durable path to understanding, rather than quick online conclusions. Graham MacQueen promotes his book, The 2,001 Anthrax Deception, available on Amazon and Clarity Press.
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