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In early February, we were tasked by the White House to assess countries based on adherence to international laws on weapons use and humanitarian aid. Despite working on the report, we were removed before its release. When it came out on May 10th, it surprisingly acknowledged Israel's potential violation of international laws with US weapons but also stated that Israel is not impeding humanitarian aid. This was unexpected and contradictory to previous actions by the White House.

The speaker discusses the challenges of providing aid to Gaza and the need for more cooperation from Israel. They note some improvements in aid distribution but emphasize the importance of continued efforts. The speaker highlights the role of the United States in facilitating humanitarian assistance and stresses the need for further action to address the severe humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

Speaker 0 mentioned a report by UNWatch on UNRWA and asked Human Rights Watch for their opinion. Human Rights Watch dismissed the report, stating that it lacked evidence. Speaker 1 acknowledged that any allegations are investigated and mentioned that UNWatch has a track record, but did not provide further details.

Former UN ambassador John Bolton discusses the allegations of the United Nations Relief Agency (UNRWA) having ties to Hamas and potentially participating in attacks. Bolton suggests that the relationship between UNRWA and Hamas is extensive, given the large Palestinian presence within the agency. He raises questions about how many UNRWA employees were aware of and aided the attack, including the use of UNRWA vehicles and facilities. Bolton also highlights the need to investigate the depth of Hamas cooperation with UNRWA. The discussion emphasizes the shocking nature of UNRWA workers participating in attacks, knowing the consequences for civilians in Gaza. The credibility of UNRWA and the United Nations as a whole is called into question.

“If their government came out and said, we have a five year plan to decouple from USAID, would that help people's view of Israel if they said, hey, we want to be self reliant? Absolutely.” “We're now gonna decouple over the next five years and and basically transition.” “319,000,000,000 being sent to Israel over all these years, that's comparable to the amount we've sent to Ukraine.” “I believe Israel has a right to exist. I believe that they are the only state in that region with the right to exist.” “But why are we treating them differently than any other ally? Should we not be judging them, holding them to the same standard?” “Do you find it persuasive when the Israeli tourism board is bragging about how many gay pride parades they have in Tel Aviv?” “No.”

USAID has been managed by individuals with extreme views, and we are in the process of removing them. After that, we will make further decisions.

Dismounting UNWA will worsen Gaza's crisis and hinder education for traumatized children. UNWA is vital for humanitarian aid in Gaza and beyond. Israel is trying to stop UNWA's work, leading to attacks on staff and facilities. We demand an investigation into these violations of international law to protect humanitarian workers globally. Translation: Stopping UNWA's work will harm Gaza and education for children. UNWA is crucial for aid in Gaza and beyond. Israel is trying to stop UNWA's work, leading to attacks on staff and facilities. We demand an investigation into these violations of international law to protect humanitarian workers globally.

The US has pushed Israel on humanitarian aid, making progress, but does not judge if Israel is impeding US aid flow into Gaza as per the 1961 foreign assistance act.

We have the technology to detect fentanyl entering the US through ports of entry. Our priority is American citizens held hostage. We are working on a ceasefire and humanitarian aid for Gaza. Hamas is blocking aid. Two main issues are at play.

No Israeli official has come to me, come to the administration with specific evidence of diversion or theft of assistance delivered by the UN in the center of the South Of Gaza, the North's a different story since October 21, when assistance resumed. Hamas presence among UN staff is asserted as a fact, and Hamas uses other channels to influence where and to whom assistance goes without question, but there are no such allegations of UN formal diversion or theft directly from UN delivered assistance. And that includes fuel distribution as well. There was a report last week indicating the IDF had fired on Hamas escorts of trucks into Gaza, with casualties among Hamas operatives; the reply notes that the IDF strike targeted police officials escorting UN convoys, underscoring a dangerous area and security challenges. With the departure of police escorts, safe movement of aid has become virtually impossible due to criminal gangs, affecting UN, Jordan, and UAE implementers.

Israel, like other countries, makes its own decisions. The US doesn't dictate to any country. We present what we believe are the good options. We stand up for what we believe in the briefing room.

The US government has seen Hamas commit atrocities and hold female hostages. There is no evidence for why they have not released the remaining hostages. It is hoped that they will change their mind and release the women. There is a desire for the hostages to speak about their treatment.

The speaker questions why criticism of Israel from human rights groups is often rejected by the US, while reports on other countries are accepted. The response clarifies that disagreement is based on specific findings, not a blanket rejection of all reports. The speaker emphasizes that while they may cite outside groups in reports, they do not always agree with every detail. Disagreement with specific findings does not equate to rejecting all criticism from human rights reports.

The speaker blamed Hamas for the atrocities and emphasized the need to gather information. They acknowledged Israel's frustration and recommended providing access for investigation.

The discussion centers on the fragile peace deal and the ongoing conflict with Hamas, with emphasis on Hamas’ true nature, disarmament, hostage issues, humanitarian aid, and regional dynamics including Lebanon and Iran. - Hamas remains a terrorist organization. The interlocutor states that Hamas has not changed its stripe and is using the ceasefire to reassert control in Gaza through mass executions of those opposed or suspected of working with Israel, while attempting to rebuild its strength. The plan, in partnership with Netanyahu, is to disarm Hamas, dismantle its terror infrastructure, and build Gaza into something different, a top priority under the Trump plan. - The peace deal is a work in progress. Neither Israel, the United States, nor other actors expect Hamas to act in good faith. The discussion emphasizes that if Hamas does not disarm, it will be eradicated, a statement framed as a serious US commitment reflecting the nature of the war and regional determination to end Hamas as a threat. - The 20-stage plan and pathway forward. The plan provides a pathway to end Hamas as a regime and terror army in Gaza and to prevent Gaza from threatening Israel going forward. The goal is to disarm Hamas, dismantle its infrastructure, and transform Gaza into a stable, peaceful entity, though it remains a “work in progress.” - Hostages and displaced persons. A central issue is the status of hostages: Hamas holds 13 of the 28 people Hamas allegedly murdered and held, with 18 returned so far, and 25 originally cited in discussions (the transcript mentions 28 total murdered and 18 returned, with 13 still in Hamas control). The speaker argues that Hamas knows the whereabouts of several more hostages and should deliver them; the claim is that some hostages who were said to be unlocated could be found even if debris removal is slow. The Red Cross and humanitarian organizations say recovering bodies will be a massive, decades-long challenge, but the speakers argue that locating hostages does not require full debris removal. Aid and humanitarian access are discussed, including a suspension of aid after the killing of Israeli soldiers that was brief and then reinstated; aid trucks are allowed through to humanitarian zones controlled by Israel in Gaza, with concerns about Hamas siphoning aid for its own purposes. - Aid leakage and Hamas control of aid. The speakers contend that Hamas stole or redirected up to 95% of aid in Gaza prior to the ceasefire, using it to fund its war against Israel. They argue that UN agencies operating in Gaza are often under Hamas influence, whether willingly or unwillingly, and thus aid distribution has been compromised when Hamas governs. - Hamas’ current behavior in Gaza and security concerns. Hamas is described as reasserting control by mass executions and intimidation; there is concern about how much control they exert over the areas they govern and the potential for continued war if they disarm remains unactioned. The discussion stresses that the longer Hamas can control areas, the more they can pursue their war. - Trump–Kushner–Witkoff diplomatic leverage. The discussion credits President Trump’s diplomacy with changing Hamas’s calculus. The Qatar strike that nearly targeted Hamas negotiators is acknowledged as a turning point; Kushner and Witkoff claimed that Hamas wanted peace when engaged directly in Egypt, and that the strike on Qatar frightened Hamas into reconsidering its position. The interlocutor suggests that palace diplomacy, allied pressure in the Arab and Islamic world, and the military pressure on Gaza City converged to push Hamas toward releasing hostages and engaging with the peace process. - Israel’s regional strategy and deterrence. The speaker emphasizes that Israel must be able to defend itself and maintain power in the region. The Abraham Accords are cited as a success, with normalization continuing because partners recognize Israel’s stability and the advantages of cooperation. The Palestinian statehood question is reframed as a broader test of Palestinian willingness to accept Israel’s existence; the speaker notes parliamentary support in Israel opposing a Palestinian state and argues that Palestinian society must change its stance toward recognizing a Jewish state. - Lebanon and Hezbollah. Optimism is tempered by caution. In Lebanon, there is some movement toward demilitarization, with the Lebanese army involved and Hezbollah’s power being re-evaluated. The speaker stresses that even if conflict ends, Israel will remain vigilant and prepared to prevent a rebuilt Hezbollah threat along the border, citing past upheavals and the need to protect border towns like Kiryat Shmona. - Iran and the wider threat. Iran’s missile program and its nuclear ambitions are described as two cancers threatening Israel: missiles capable of delivering heavy payloads and a nuclear program. The strategic aim is to prevent Iran from creating a “ring of fire” around Israel (Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, Yemen, Iraq) and to prevent metastasis of Iran’s influence from spreading. - Global sentiment and demonization. The speaker acknowledges growing global antisemitism and demonization of Israel post-October 7, but argues that Israel’s demonstrated ability to defend itself strengthens its position and that support should endure as the conflict recedes from prominence. The Palestinian leadership’s stance and the broader regional dynamics remain central to whether a two-state solution can emerge, with a tempered expectation that the peace plan will proceed step by step.

The administration is aware of reports that Israeli forces fired on Palestinians seeking aid from the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation. The Red Cross reported that 20 people arrived at their hospital with gunshot wounds and died. The administration is investigating the veracity of these reports, stating they don't take Hamas' word as truth. The speaker criticized the BBC for initially reporting Israeli tanks and gunfire killed dozens, then retracting the story after reviewing footage and finding no evidence. The speaker stated they will look into reports before confirming them or taking action and suggested journalists do the same to reduce misinformation.

The speaker was asked why not blame Hamas for the atrocities. They explained their mission was to gather information, not assign blame. The speaker acknowledged the frustration of the people of Israel and emphasized the need for the government to provide access for further investigation.

There is mistrust towards the Israeli and US governments due to past instances of misinformation. People are skeptical and want an international investigation to determine the truth. However, the US government does not believe it is appropriate at this time. The Israeli government has provided evidence supporting their claim that the hospital attack was a misfire from Gaza. In contrast, Hamas has made a claim without any evidence. It is unfortunate that many believe the terrorist organization's claim over the Israeli government's evidence. The US government is conducting its own assessment.

Hamas is seen as a troublemaker, but Israel values every life and aims to bring aid trucks in. Many organizations will be pleased with this commitment. The former house speaker is now joining the conversation. Thank you, Mr. Prime Minister, for your time.

The speaker states that they have not seen any evidence to suggest a need for a different approach in helping Israel defend itself. When asked if any formal assessment has been conducted to determine if Israel is following the rules of war, the speaker admits to being unaware of any such assessment by the United States government. The question of how they can ensure that the weapons and resources provided by the U.S. adhere to international law is raised, to which the speaker reiterates that they have not seen anything to suggest a change in their approach to assisting Israel's defense.

Netanyahu's claim that UNRWA is a Hamas proxy is false. The head of UNRWA in Gaza is a US army veteran, not affiliated with Hamas. Netanyahu has aimed to eliminate UNRWA since 2017, which would harm aid distribution in Gaza, leading to starvation and lack of medical help. Cutting off UNRWA funding would be a significant mistake. Translation: The claim that UNRWA is linked to Hamas is untrue. The leader in Gaza is a US army veteran, not connected to Hamas. Netanyahu has sought to remove UNRWA since 2017, jeopardizing aid distribution and causing suffering. Ceasing UNRWA funding would be a grave error.

Speaker 0 asserts that “What happened in October 7 was an Israeli setup,” and questions whether Benjamin Netanyahu deliberately boosted Hamas to prevent a Palestinian state. The question is framed as a direct challenge: “Yeah. Sure. He deliberately and systematically even even told this on record. Whoever wants to avoid the threat of a two state solution has to support my policy of paying protection money to the Hamas.” The removal of ambiguity is emphasized by the speaker’s phrasing that this was done “with the permission of our prime minister” and involved letting Qatar transfer a huge amount of money in cash, “probably more than $1,400,000,000,” with the claimed effect of increasing Hamas’s power. Speaker 0 then shifts to interrogate a separate line of inquiry, asking whether there was a “stand down order,” repeating the question: “Was there a stand down order? Six hours? I don’t believe it.” The speaker emphasizes realism by labeling the question as legitimate and non-conspiratorial: “Was did somebody in the government say stand down? That is a legitimate non conspiracy question.” The closing remark asserts a collective identity and responsibility: “The whole country is the IDF. The whole country is.”

The UK research group believes an Israeli tank killed a Palestinian child. Israel denies involvement, stating no tanks were in the area. They requested information from UN organizations and the Palestinian Red Crescent for an investigation, but received no help. The government of Israel is responsible for further details on the case.