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Speaker 0 accuses Speaker 1 of being a corrupt politician. Speaker 1 responds by mentioning that 50 former national intelligence officials and the heads of the CIA have dismissed the accusations as false. Speaker 0 dismisses this as another Russia hoax. Speaker 1 tries to steer the conversation back to the issue of race.

The speakers disagree on President Trump's competency. One speaker believes it's absurd to question Trump's competency, especially after years of questioning President Biden's mental acuity. The speaker believes words matter and should be used carefully to avoid inflaming the public and to arrive at the truth. The other speaker questions Trump's competency, cognitive abilities, ignorance, and truthfulness, citing examples such as a photoshopped photo, a Supreme Court ruling, Elon Musk holding press conferences in the Oval Office, misunderstanding trade deficits, and a disastrous economy. This speaker believes Trump has driven the country into a disastrous economy, undermined the rule of law and democracy, and cut taxes for the rich. The first speaker disagrees, stating that the first hundred days are exactly what Trump promised and what the American people voted for.

Speaker 0 believed that the ability to challenge the election results was over. Speaker 1 disagreed, stating that although Congress certified the results, they didn't want to say the election was completely over. Speaker 0 recounted a conversation where someone referred to President Trump as "the boss" and claimed they wouldn't leave power. Speaker 1 clarified that Congress had certified the results but didn't explicitly say the election was over. Speaker 0 pointed out that staying in power doesn't work that way. Speaker 1 concluded by saying they would accept the results of the presidential election.

Speaker 1 questions why radical transparency in elections wasn't proposed four years ago and accuses the former president of trashing the system for four years, stating there were dangerous consequences to the president's lies and that people died on January 6th. Speaker 0 claims the only person who died on January 6th was Ashley Babbitt, who was murdered. Speaker 1 acknowledges there were injuries. Speaker 0 asserts people who broke into the Capitol are responsible for their actions, not Donald Trump. Speaker 1 says they don't have to yell.

The speaker claims to have won the 2020 election "by a lot." They suggest reviewing tapes and "truth to vote" which allegedly shows ballot box stuffing. They also mention "51 agents" and "FBI Twitter." The speaker alleges cheating in the election, citing "all of the stuff ballots" and the "51 intelligence agents." They claim recounts were not "real recounts." They state Wisconsin "practically admitted it was rigged" and that other states are doing the same. When told a case review found fewer than 475 cases of voter fraud in six battleground states, the speaker claims "they didn't look at the right things," alleging fake ballots. They maintain the election was "very rigged." The speaker believes they are "winning very well" in the upcoming election, citing a recent poll.

Speaker 0 questions the strength of the new president's mandate, noting he won the popular vote by only 1.5% and the general election with less than 50% of the vote. Speaker 1 argues that the president does have a mandate, stating they are not a supporter of Trump, but of truth and facts. The president won every swing state, increased voter turnout among Black, Latino, and young voters, and 89% of counties shifted to the right. Republicans hadn't won the popular vote since 2004, but they did this year, also winning the electoral college. Speaker 1 doesn't understand how people can look at that and say there's no mandate. Speaker 0 suggests they have different definitions of a mandate. Speaker 1 believes Democrats may use the close margin as an excuse to avoid changing their strategy.

Speaker 0 questions the need for a new tone in politics, believing the current tone is fine. They criticize the media for comparing Trump to Hitler and question the legitimacy of the 2020 election. Speaker 1 challenges Speaker 0's claims of election fraud and defamation. Speaker 0 refuses to concede and accuses Speaker 1 of being part of fake news. The conversation ends with Speaker 0 dismissing Speaker 1's questions and asserting their beliefs.

Speaker 0: They reject the rule of law and the will of the people, refusing to accept the election results. Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi, May 16, 2017, claimed our election was hijacked and there is no doubt about it. Speaker 2: Even if you run a great campaign, become the nominee, the election can still be stolen from you. Speaker 0: Trump did not truly win the 2016 election; he lost. Speaker 1: He knows he's an illegitimate president who didn't really win. How do we fight against him in 2020? He's illegitimate. Speaker 3: He's illegitimate, and my biggest fear is that he'll do it again with the help of his pal Vlad. We'll be stuck with him for 6 more terrifying years. Speaker 0: Would you be my vice presidential candidate? I agree. Speaker 1: Bush versus Gore, a court took away the presidency. Al Gore was the true winner. Speaker 4: I believe I won the last presidential election. They stole it. Speaker 0: Al Gore won that election, or at least I think he did. Speaker 5: Rolling Stone questioned if the 2004 election was stolen. Speaker 4: I witnessed troubling evidence that not every vote was counted in Illinois 4 years ago. Speaker 1: The November 2, 2004 election was not transparent or accurate. There are legitimate questions about our election system's accuracy. Despite the final tally, I have one affirmative statement to make.

Speaker 0 claims that there is widespread fraud in the mailing of ballots, suggesting that they are being sent to unknown recipients. They accuse the opposition of various fraudulent activities, including voting by deceased individuals and creating fake ballots solely for Biden. However, the DOJ states that some military ballots were discarded, with the majority being votes for Trump. Speaker 0 also mentions Biden's statement about having a large voter fraud organization, but there is no evidence to support these claims.

Speaker 0: Jim Jordan played a significant role in Trump's attempt to challenge the election results. Speaker 1: Trump requested a vote recount, which is not the same as overthrowing the government. However, some believe the media's continuous portrayal of this narrative is influenced by project Mockingbird. Regardless, everyone involved is part of it.

The discussion centers on the 2020 election, which Speaker 1 claims was rigged due to fake ballots and other factors, including the influence of 51 intelligence agents. Speaker 0 counters that recounts in swing states and over 50 lawsuits found no widespread corruption or voter fraud, citing a potential case of voter fraud in six battleground states that uncovered fewer than 475 cases. Speaker 1 asserts Wisconsin has practically admitted the election was rigged and other states are doing the same. Speaker 0 questions how Speaker 1 will appeal to independent suburban women voters. Speaker 1 references polls showing him leading, including with women. Speaker 0 notes polls can change. Speaker 1 states he would like to be less combative but feels the press's dishonesty necessitates it to get his message across and win.

The speakers are debating the former president's statements about an "enemy within." One speaker claims the former president suggested turning the American military on the American people. A clip is played of the former president responding to accusations of threatening people, stating he is not threatening anyone, but that "they" are the ones doing the threatening through "phony investigations" and "weaponization of government." The other speaker objects, asserting the clip does not reflect the former president's repeated statements about the American people being the "enemy within." This speaker claims the former president has talked about turning the American military on the American people, going after peaceful protestors, and locking up those who disagree with him, which they argue is unacceptable in a democracy.

Speaker 0 claimed the former president was illegitimate for 4 years. Speaker 1 argued about conceding the election and potential violence in the future. They debated about the Capitol attack and the death of Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick. Speaker 1 denied that anyone died during the attack, but Speaker 0 mentioned Sicknick's death.

Speaker 0 claims the Department of Government Efficiency found hundreds of billions in fraud, but Speaker 1 denies any fraud was found. Speaker 0 alleges Social Security is paying people over 220 years old, which Speaker 1 disputes. Speaker 1 criticizes Trump's anti-immigrant stance and calls Musk a "thug." Speaker 0 defends Trump, suggesting he might be the greatest president in modern American history. Speaker 1 calls Speaker 0 "deluded" for supporting Trump, characterizing Trump as rude, nasty, and racist. Speaker 0 accuses others of being in a cult, claiming they try to stop people from talking to those with different ideas. Speaker 0 says things got "hot" and troopers asked him to leave. Speaker 0 then shares the speech he planned to give, emphasizing that all are Americans with First Amendment rights and should unite to eliminate corruption.

The speakers disagree on President Trump's competency. One speaker believes it's absurd to question Trump's competency, especially after years of questioning President Biden's mental acuity. They stress the importance of accurate language to avoid inflaming the public and to arrive at the truth. The other speaker questions Trump's competency, cognitive abilities, ignorance, and truthfulness, citing examples such as a photoshopped photo, a Supreme Court ruling, Elon Musk holding press conferences in the Oval Office, and misunderstanding trade deficits. They believe Trump's first hundred days have been disastrous, undermining the rule of law and democracy, and benefiting the rich. The first speaker disagrees, stating that the first hundred days align with Trump's promises and what the American people voted for.

Speaker 0 states that labeling Donald Trump's plan as Project 2025 is not rhetoric, and claiming Trump started an insurrection is a fact. Speaker 1 argues that both examples are rhetoric and factually incorrect. Trump has stated he has nothing to do with Project 2025 and has never been charged with insurrection. Speaker 1 accuses Speaker 0 of spreading misinformation and expresses shame.

Speaker 1 discusses their involvement in the post-election efforts and their relationship with President Trump. They express concern about the election and claim that voting machines were tampered with. When asked about Smartmatic's involvement, Speaker 1 is unsure of the exact numbers but believes it was more significant than reported. Speaker 0 challenges Speaker 1's allegations and points out that Smartmatic only operated in one county in California. Speaker 1 refuses to accept this fact and ends the interview. Speaker 0 questions Speaker 1's credibility and mentions Rudy Giuliani's misrepresentation of facts. Speaker 1 disagrees and claims that voter rolls were cleaned after the election. They assert that there is evidence to support their case.

Speaker 0 asks about pronouns, but Speaker 1 responds aggressively. Speaker 1 supports Biden for president, while Speaker 2 supports Trump. They discuss Biden's son's alleged corruption and Trump's impact on the country. Speaker 1 mentions the border wall and claims that mainstream media lied about Trump's collusion with Russia. Speaker 2 disagrees and accuses Speaker 1 of being biased. The conversation becomes heated, with Speaker 1 promoting their website for more information.

Speaker 1: "Just because the other side... jokes about the bad things that happened to them, I don't think that makes it okay for us to turn around and do the same." Speaker 0: "No. We need to stop... the left just haven't cucked out enough." Speaker 0: "Trump is fucking insane because he has support from 90% of the conservatives in the Republican party who are entirely un American." Speaker 1: "One person is dead... a swing state voter." Speaker 1: "We don't know what the motivation of the shooter was." Speaker 1: "Just because there is fire burning doesn't give us leave to throw more wood on it." Speaker 0: "Donald Trump wanted absolute criminal immunity." Speaker 0: "Democracy only works when everybody participates." Speaker 1: "I reject this framing entirely."

Speaker 0 states that Trump has accused people who didn't break the law of breaking the law regarding the election and that Trump said Liz Cheney should be put before a war tribunal. Speaker 1 rejects the premise, claiming Speaker 0 is imputing things, taking words out of context, and combining separate conversations. Speaker 1 believes Trump is more reasonable than people like Liz Cheney. Speaker 1 accuses the network of pushing the "Russia hoax" by taking the words of unnamed FBI agents as truth, leading viewers to believe Trump and Putin conspired in 2016. Speaker 0 counters that they covered an FBI investigation. Speaker 1 says the network gave credence to anonymous sources' accusations. Speaker 0 wants to discuss things Trump has said this week, but Speaker 1 wants to discuss the economy.

The speakers discuss the hatred and violence they perceive from Trump supporters. Speaker 1 claims that Trump supporters hit people, throw urine, and use crowbars. Speaker 0 expresses doubt but acknowledges the possibility of milkshake incidents. Speaker 1 questions if Trump supporters would engage in such behavior, to which Speaker 0 responds that they hope not. Speaker 1 then suggests that Democrats and liberals are actually responsible for these actions. Speaker 0 disagrees, stating that the average Democrat does not support violence. The conversation continues with Speaker 1 mentioning incidents at a Trump rally and accusing liberals of stealing and burning red hats. Speaker 0 dismisses these claims as an attempt to push an agenda. The video ends with Speaker 1 questioning Speaker 0's support for multiple candidates.

Speaker 0 challenges others to prove their claims are false, promising to apologize if proven wrong. Speaker 1 accuses the other side of hypocrisy, citing President Biden's alleged "blanket pardon" for his son and questioning their sudden concern for corruption. They criticize the Democratic Party's ties to figures like George Soros, Bill and Melinda Gates, and "every woke, weird pervert in Hollywood." The speaker asserts that the Republican Party, under President Trump, has a clear mandate from voters who rejected the policies of the other side, including "open borders," a "failing economy," "raging inflation," and "woke stuff." They yield their time, expressing disbelief at the conversation initiated by the other side.

During the debate, Speaker 0 accuses Speaker 1 of lying about a Russian plan and claims that there is overwhelming evidence of Russian engagement. Speaker 1 denies these allegations, stating that intelligence agencies and former heads of the CIA have called it garbage. Speaker 0 also accuses the FBI of cheating by telling Facebook and Twitter what to do. Speaker 2 believes that the objective is to stop Donald Trump and what he represents in the political process. Speaker 0 concludes by accusing Joe Biden of lying about a major scandal, calling it cheating and election interference on an unprecedented scale.

Speaker 0 expresses gratitude for the audience's presence and states that they believe it is a sad day for America. Speaker 1 asserts that challenging an election should be allowed, as they believed the election was rigged and stolen. They mention other individuals who have also challenged elections in the past. Speaker 1 claims they did nothing wrong and accuses others of election interference. They thank the audience and reiterate their right to challenge what they perceive as a dishonest election. Speaker 0 concludes by thanking everyone and suggesting a future meeting.

Speaker 0: I loathe Donald Trump. Speaker 0: Everything we care about is under siege by a racist, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic president. Speaker 0: Donald Trump is a convicted felon, an adjudicated rapist, and a congenital liar. He's a racist, sexist, misogynistic, narcissist. Speaker 1: When Pritzker calls Trump antidemocratic and authoritarian, he's effectively calling more than 70,000,000 Americans the same thing. Speaker 0: Illinois Democrats have done more in the last five years to push back on the wave of authoritarian, antidemocratic, MAGA Republican nonsense than in any other place in the country. Speaker 1: Not even an assassination attempt has tempered governor Pritzker. Speaker 0: I am very pleased that he remains relatively unharmed, but it's still true that Donald Trump is a convicted felon, an adjudicated rapist, has been a, congenital liar, and is unfit for the office of president of The United States. Speaker 1: Pritzker's vitriol has become extreme.