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The deep state's open support for Al Qaeda and the Islamic State (ISIS) is shocking, especially given their role in the Syrian conflict. Despite claiming to oppose Al Qaeda, the U.S. has provided support to groups aligned with them in Syria, raising questions about the rationale behind such actions. There are concerns about backing the wrong factions, with evidence suggesting that U.S. weapons may have ended up with ISIS. Former officials have indicated that the Obama administration ignored warnings about ISIS's rise, and even John Kerry acknowledged the situation's escalation. Historical parallels are drawn to past U.S. support for Mujahideen in Afghanistan, highlighting the long-term consequences of such interventions. The narrative emphasizes the complexity and contradictions in U.S. foreign policy regarding jihadist groups.

Ericsson, a foreign telecommunications company, has been involved in various controversial activities. They sponsored and bribed ISIS for over 17 years, leading to the deaths of American soldiers. Ericsson also controls the flow of information and data, including financial transactions and classified information, through their ownership of the portability cables. The company operates outside of US jurisdiction and has no oversight. The transfer of contracts from Neustar to Ericsson was overseen by Timothy Geithner and Hillary Clinton during the Obama administration. The Swedish British Crown took over the contract in 2013, making it difficult to hold Ericsson accountable. The Trump administration was unable to stop this due to ongoing investigations and the non-governmental nature of the contract.

The US initiated the war in Syria through the CIA Special Activity Center, seizing a significant part of the country illegally. John Kerry mentioned a Plan B involving the American seizure of northern Syria, a vital breadbasket for the Syrian people.

Benghazi was a logistics hub for arming anti-Assad terrorists. Russia exposed this operation by attacking the CIA center, putting a stop to it. The Western media didn't report on it. The efforts to overthrow Assad continue, but now weapons are primarily coming from Croatia. This poses a threat to Russia, so they are waging war against America by targeting our weak economy, specifically the oil-backed dollar.

The discussion centers on CNN’s report that the CIA is establishing a foothold in Venezuela, with the claim that the CIA has, for decades, enabled the Venezuelan drug trade. The speakers argue that the attack on Venezuela cannot be about drugs if the CIA itself facilitated drug trafficking. They cite CIA whistleblower Kevin Shipp, who said the CIA has been involved in Venezuela since at least the Cartel of the Sun, run by a general who was a CIA proxy and helped reconstitute Venezuela’s intelligence to penetrate the government; the general named Ramon Gulen allegedly ran narcotics and created the cartel of the sun. They claim the cartel is used by the Trump administration as a pretext to stage attacks on boats and in Venezuela and that the CIA, with its long history, was behind the Secret Service and the general in creating the drug trade and the cartel, with the Trump administration leveraging it to circumvent Congress. There is reference to a 60 Minutes piece from the 1990s reporting that the CIA collaborated with Venezuelan National Guard generals who moved tons of cocaine into the United States. The conversation then moves to John Kerry, who in the mid-1980s led the Contra Cocaine Investigation hearings into U.S. government complicity in the contra drug trade. The Reagan administration resisted the inquiry, attempted to discredit witnesses, and assigned the CIA to monitor the probe. Ten years later, the HITS report (the CIA Inspector General report authorized under Inspector General Frederick HITS) concluded that while the CIA did not officially participate in cocaine trafficking during the Contra War, it knowingly maintained relationships with and protected numerous contra-linked individuals and organizations involved in the drug trade when deemed operationally important, to keep the Contra War alive and to maintain U.S. objectives in Central America, even if it meant enabling and protecting drug lords; the CIA hid this from Congress, contributing to drug flow into the United States. The Iran-Contra framework is referenced as arms to Iran funding the Contras, with connections to cocaine trafficking, forming a single pipeline, allegedly placing the CIA at the center of these operations. The panel critiques CNN’s headline as suggesting the CIA’s new foothold is about establishing a presence, arguing the real aim is to block Russia and China’s influence, not democracy or drugs. Venezuela’s oil trade outside the petrodollar with BRICS nations is noted, with claims that the move away from the petrodollar spurred interference and invasion, and that Venezuela later returned to endorsing the petrodollar after a period of yuan transactions with China. The discourse asserts that the CIA’s purpose is to prevent free trade outside U.S. influence and to suppress alternative financial arrangements like BRICS or yuan-based oil transactions. The participants discuss the idea that the CIA has shifted from operating covertly to openly engaging in such activities, suggesting a normalization of “strategy of tension” and the notion that a third of the population would support the government’s actions, a third oppose, and a third are indifferent, thereby reducing public resistance. They connect these elements to broader media complicity, including Operation Mockingbird and the integration of former intelligence heads into media roles, implying entrenched deep-state influence.

Russia was initially hesitant to engage in the Syrian conflict, which began in 2011 when the U.S. coordinated with Al Qaeda and other groups. The CIA's secret operation, Timber Sycamore, provided Al Qaeda with anti-tank and anti-air weapons, making them a proxy force for U.S. interests alongside ISIS. The U.S. aimed to overthrow the legitimate Syrian government by using these proxies, including various terrorist factions. In Aleppo, the Syrian Army, supported by Hezbollah and some Iranian-organized troops, led the efforts to reclaim territory. A similar strategy is currently observed in Ukraine.

The discussion centers on claims that the CIA has long been involved in Venezuela, has enabled drug trafficking, and now seeks a visible foothold in the country to counter Russia and China. Speaker 0 argues CNN’s report that the CIA will establish a foothold in Venezuela is emblematic of a duplicative pattern: the CIA has supposedly enabled the drug trade for decades, so the attack on Venezuela cannot be about drugs if the CIA is involved. They cite Kevin Shipp, a CIA whistleblower, who said the CIA has been involved in Venezuela since at least the Cartel of the Sun, run by a general who was a CIA proxy and helped reconstruct Venezuela’s intelligence service to penetrate the government. The general cited is General Ramon Gulen, described as running narcotics and creating and running the Cartel of the Sun. The Cartel is portrayed as a pretext used by the Trump administration to stage attacks and operate around Congress, with the CIA behind past secret dealings tied to it. Speaker 0 then references a 60 Minutes piece from the 1990s reported on by mainstream media that allegedly showed the CIA collaborating with Venezuelan National Guard generals who moved tons of cocaine into the United States. The discussion moves to John Kerry, who led the Contra Cocaine Investigation in the mid-1980s, seeking to determine US government involvement in the contra drug trade. The Reagan administration resisted, stonewalled the Senate, and monitored the probe. The HITS report (the CIA inspector general report authorized under inspector general Frederick HITS) is described as concluding in the late 1990s that while the CIA did not officially participate in cocaine trafficking during the Contra War, it knowingly maintained relationships with and protected numerous contra-linked individuals and organizations involved in the drug trade when operationally useful, to keep the contra war alive and to maintain US objectives in Central America, even if it meant enabling and protecting drug lords. It also states the CIA hid this from Congress, contributing to drugs entering the United States. The Iran-Contra connection is summarized as arms to Iran generating cash to fund the Contras, with the same network tied to cocaine trafficking, implying a single pipeline of influence and criminal activity. The speakers discuss media coverage and relationships with locals in Venezuela, questioning the claimed “relationship-building” as a cover for coercive activities, given sanctions that harm locals. They criticize the notion that the CIA is simply building positive ties, suggesting instead a pattern of disruption and control. The dialogue then shifts to geopolitics: Venezuela reportedly traded oil with BRICS outside the petrodollar since at least 2017, which is framed as undermining US global oil hegemony. A recent move to settle oil transactions in yuan is mentioned, with a snide remark that the CIA’s presence in Venezuela aims to prevent any free-trade diversification away from the petrodollar. The claim is made that the CIA’s objective is to prevent alternative global trade arrangements and maintain US influence by blocking competition from Russia, China, and BRICS members. Speaker 3 adds that the CIA’s actions align with a long-standing pattern of intervention, suggesting that the agency’s open, unapologetic approach reflects a broader strategy of tension, where a third of the population would support such actions, a third would oppose, and a third remain indifferent. They reference Operation Mockingbird and the presence of CIA-linked figures in media, including Mike Pompeo as a Fox News contributor, arguing that mainstream outlets act as channels for the deep state’s messaging, with information often flowing from the CIA to outlets like the New York Times. In sum, the discussion argues that US intervention in Venezuela is less about drugs or democracy and more about strategic counteraction to Russian, Chinese, and BRICS influence, with a long history of CIA involvement in drug trafficking and media manipulation. The speakers invite audience reactions on these points.

In 2011, Obama suggested overthrowing Bashar al Assad, leading to years of war in Syria. The US attempted regime change, obstructing a UN peace agreement. Motives for overthrowing Assad remain unclear, possibly due to arrogance or financial interests. Similar actions in Libya resulted in chaos. These decisions lack transparency and have long-lasting consequences.

Regarding the war in Syria, the CIA was tasked by Obama to overthrow the Syrian government four years before Russia intervened. This operation, known as Timber Sycamore, barely received coverage in the New York Times. The 2003 invasion of Iraq was based on phony pretenses. Focus groups were conducted to determine how to sell the war to the American people, using fear as a tactic. This war originated from Netanyahu's theory since 1995 that toppling governments supporting Hamas and Hezbollah (Iraq, Syria, and Iran) was necessary. He has been trying to get the US to fight Iran. He has gotten the US into endless wars because of his power in US politics. Therefore, the narrative of democracy versus dictatorship is not sensible.

A ton of cocaine, worth hundreds of millions, was smuggled into the United States not in the usual way, but through a CIA-backed operation with Venezuela’s National Guard, according to former DEA head Judge Robert Bonner. He says this drug trafficking was approved or condoned by the CIA, and that it was illegal unless approved by the DEA or a US law enforcement authority. Bonner conducted a two-year secret investigation with the DEA’s Office of Professional Responsibility in cooperation with the CIA’s inspector general, and concluded that the CIA broke the law by facilitating drug shipments into the United States. The CIA’s stated rationale for promoting the drug smuggling was that it would yield valuable drug intelligence about the Colombian cartels. The plan, described as an undercover operation in Venezuela, involved the CIA and Venezuela’s Guardia Nacional to handle the transshipment of the cartel’s cocaine en route to the United States and Europe. The operation reportedly produced more than a ton of cocaine, stored at a CIA-financed Counter Narcotics Intelligence Center in Caracas. The center’s commander and the CIA’s man in Venezuela was National Guard General Ramon Guillen Davila. Annabelle Grimm, a DEA agent with eighteen years’ experience, testified that CIA station chief James Campbell and CIA officer Mark McFarlane told her that to keep the undercover smuggling operation credible, they had to keep the cartel happy by delivering their dope untouched by US law enforcement to the cartel’s distributors in the United States. Grimm said the CIA and the Guardia Nacional wanted “to let cocaine go on into the traffic without doing anything,” with no surveillance, no interference. Grimm and others argued that the operation would not stop drugs in Miami, Houston, or elsewhere; the plan was to allow shipments to reach the United States and then enter the traffic. Campbell and McFarlane sought Washington approval, but the CIA leadership in Washington allegedly went over Grimm’s head to DEA headquarters. The joint DEA-CIA investigation confirmed that more than a ton of cocaine moved from the Caracas counter-narcotics center to US streets, and that at one point Guillen’s National Guard tried to ship 1,500 kilos at once—an effort that failed because the box would not fit through the airplane door of a Boeing 707. General Guillen admitted bungling the operation, but he denied involvement in an unauthorized shipment. He insisted the operation was approved by US authorities. The CIA maintains it found no evidence of criminal wrongdoing, though it acknowledged instances of poor judgment and management leading to disciplinary actions for several CIA officers; Mark McFarlane resigned, and James Campbell was brought back to the US, promoted, and later retired. Campbell claimed he devoted his life to his country and felt like a victim in this thing, insisting the issue occurred without CIA knowledge. Senator Dennis DeConcini was briefed by the CIA, and some officials argued no one in the CIA has been prosecuted, while others argued that the drugs did reach the streets. The intelligence gained from the operation was disputed; some questioned whether any valuable intelligence was produced. Three to four truck drivers were arrested, but the larger goal—US intelligence or seizures—was contested. General Guillen later traveled to Miami and was subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury investigating the CIA’s cocaine, but Venezuela reportedly would not permit testimony. The investigation continues to raise questions about the CIA’s involvement in drug trafficking, with ongoing inquiries by House and Senate intelligence oversight committees.

I was shocked to learn that President Obama had programs to overthrow the Syrian regime. The CIA's Timber Sycamore program armed Al Qaeda to start another regime change war in the Middle East. The DOD's train and equip program spent over half a billion dollars training "moderate rebels" who were actually aligned with Al Qaeda. Regime change wars in Syria, like in Iraq, Libya, and Egypt, risk the rise of Islamist extremists like Al Qaeda. We now have an Islamist extremist in charge of Syria who celebrated the 9/11 attack and is persecuting religious minorities like Christians. Every American deserves to know if our government supported our enemy, Al Qaeda.

Libya became a key transit point for arms to Syrian rebels after the Arab Spring. A shipment intercepted off Lebanon contained machine guns and artillery, originating from Libya and passing through Turkey and Egypt. A 2012 Defense Intelligence Agency report warned of a potential Salafist principality in Eastern Syria, which the U.S. ignored despite foreseeing the rise of ISIS. There were internal debates about supporting certain rebel groups, but policy decisions lacked clarity. President Obama initially opposed arming rebels but later provided limited support. General Flynn, who advocated for a different approach, was forced to retire in 2014. The discussion highlights the complexities of U.S. foreign policy, suggesting that actions have created more enemies than necessary, particularly in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The New York Times revealed that the CIA has operated 12 secret spy bases in Ukraine for a decade, aiding in intelligence operations against Russia. The program involved training Ukrainian officers and launching attacks into Russian territory. This disclosure, possibly a warning to Moscow, confirms Putin's accusations of US involvement in Ukraine. Infowars suggests this conflict was orchestrated by the American spy state and figures like George Soros. TurboForce, a product promoted by Infowars, promises clean energy and supports the Infowar. Available at infowarsstore.com.

In 2012, a secret agreement was made between the Obama and Erdogan administrations regarding the rat line. The CIA, with support from MI6, was responsible for transferring arms from Gaddafi's arsenals to Syria. This operation was not disclosed to the congressional intelligence committees and leadership, as required by law. To bypass this, the involvement of MI6 allowed the CIA to classify the mission as a liaison operation. By outsourcing it to MI6, they avoided the need for a presidential finding and congressional approval. A similar scheme was used to avoid congressional oversight in Sahersh's article on Nord Stream 2.

Burisma is a for-profit gas company, not a charity, yet there are USAID emails indicating support for Burisma. CIA connections are prevalent. Hunter Biden was on the board of the National Democratic Institute, linked to the CIA's National Endowment for Democracy. Topher Black, a 30-year CIA veteran and recipient of the CIA Distinguished Medal Award, also served on Burisma's board. Black was Mitt Romney's Sherpa to the intelligence community when Romney ran for president. The Atlantic Council, with 7 CIA directors on its board, has a formal partnership with Burisma, signed on January 19, 2017, the day before Trump's inauguration.

Russia initially resisted involvement in Syria, where the US supported Al Qaeda through covert operations. The CIA supplied weapons, including anti-tank and anti-air missiles, to Al Qaeda in Idlib province. The US used proxies like Al Qaeda and ISIS to overthrow Syria's government. In Aleppo, the Syrian Army, Hezbollah, and Iranian-backed troops were key players. Similar proxy tactics are seen in Ukraine.

"the CIA and Saudi Arabia together, in covert operations tried to overthrow Assad." "It was a disaster" and it "also brought in Russia." The speaker calls this "the permanent state" and says "We have made a proxy war in Syria" that has "killed 500,000 people, displaced 10,000,000," and "I predicted it seven years ago that there was no way to do this and that it would make a complete chaos." He urges, "get out." Another speaker adds, "six hundred thousand dead and 14,000,000 displaced," and says the United States should be part of the solution. He notes this happened because of us, cites "timber sycamore"—"The CIA operation together with Saudi Arabia"—"shrouded in secrecy" and "never debated by Congress, never explained." Ending the fight means stopping overthrow of a government and rebel support; "contrary to international law, contrary to the UN Charter"; risk of "an imminent confrontation with Russia." "Go to the UN Security Council ... with Russia on a strategy for ending the fight."

After Russia invaded Ukraine, the Nord Stream pipelines exploded under the Baltic Sea. Investigative journalist Seymour Hersh revealed that the US and CIA blew up the pipelines to stop Russian gas supplies to Germany. The US wanted to promote its own gas exports to Europe. The operation involved planting bombs during NATO drills and detonating them remotely. The destruction of the pipelines led to increased gas prices in Europe, benefiting US gas producers. The US government's massive financial aid to Ukraine is also questioned.

The war in Syria originated not from Bashar Al Assad, but from a decision in Washington in 02/2011 to overthrow Assad, a desire originating from Jerusalem and the Israeli government for over 25 years, with Netanyahu aiming to reshape the Middle East in Israel's image by overthrowing opposing governments. This aligned with the CIA and the U.S. government, leading to Operation Timber Sycamore, a program where the U.S. and regional countries trained rebels, including jihadists, to overthrow the Syrian regime. This resulted in chaos and 600,000 deaths. The CIA's goal in 02/2011 was for a jihad group to take power in Syria after being armed by the U.S. Peace in the region requires real diplomacy, not CIA operations, and an end to Israel's militarization of the Middle East. The Syrian war is one of six wars Israel has promoted, including in Lebanon, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, and Sudan. In 02/2001, Wesley Clark was shown a Pentagon paper outlining a plan for seven wars in five years. The only war that hasn't occurred is a U.S. war with Iran.

USAID operates under the guise of humanitarian aid while advancing U.S. foreign policy. It has taken on tasks that the State Department prefers to avoid, functioning similarly to a covert operations division once managed by the CIA. Unlike the CIA, USAID is not required to obtain a presidential finding for covert operations. This has led to numerous international scandals involving USAID rather than the CIA. Understanding the CIA's history with money laundering sheds light on the issues surrounding USAID, which is resistant to congressional oversight and refuses to disclose its financial records.

The speaker claims the war in Syria began with Obama tasking the CIA to overthrow the Syrian government four years before Russia intervened. They allege the New York Times rarely reported on Operation Timber Sycamore, which was the presidential order to the CIA to overthrow Bashar al Assad. Regarding the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the speaker states the US used phony pretenses and focus groups to sell the war to the American people. They claim Netanyahu wanted the war to topple governments supporting Hamas and Hezbollah, specifically Iraq, Syria, and Iran. The speaker accuses Netanyahu of pushing the US into endless wars and still trying to get the US to fight Iran. They conclude that the terms "democracy versus dictatorship" are not sensible.

Jeffrey Epstein negotiated the contract to move the CIA's proprietary airliner, Southern Air Transport, which was busted for drugs and guns during Iran Contra. He personally was the authorized signatory on the deal with Southern Air Transport to move it to a military base in Columbus, Ohio to service the limited. The speaker then asks how, in 1994, one would convince the Central Intelligence Agency to move its proprietary CIA airline used for covert operations, based in Miami, to Columbus, Ohio just to service Epstein’s personal company. They question whether he cold-called the CIA or schmoozed it, or if it was because he was handling Adnan Khashoggi's money during Iran Contra that purchased the guns that Southern Air Transport, a decade earlier, was moving.

For the past decade, foreign powers have sought to destroy Syria. "Israel wants to reclaim Southern Syria, Turkey wants to reclaim Northern Syria, and the Persian Gulf states want a secure route for a natural gas pipeline to Europe." The "American Empire" seeks to destroy any nation that fails to open its economy to Western corporations. The preferred method... "to destroy a nation by agitating and arming minority groups while sending thousands of foreign mercenaries" and "funded by foreign intelligence agencies via massive arms smuggling that supplied billions of dollars in weapons to so called rebels." "American weaponry included expensive shoulder fired surface to air missiles and large anti tank weapons, like the American TOW system." By the end of 2,015, the Syrian government had lost control of most of its territory. "Russia announced that any aircraft that bombed Syrian forces would be shot down." "Israel expanded its Druze militias in Southern Syria" and "American aircrafts and artillery supported Kurdish forces" into Eastern Syria. "The White Helmets" were "founded in 2013 by a British ex military officer" and "funded to the tune of $100,000,000 by The US, UK, and Europe"—they "purport to be rescuing civilians" yet "no one in Eastern Aleppo has heard of them." "The covert war on Syria killed over 400,000 people and pushed 5,000,000 refugees." "Seven years has been a disaster under Obama" with "CIA and Saudi Arabia together" fueling a "proxy war" that brought ISIS; get out. The plot to destroy Syria failed as it reconquered most of its territory.

Speaker 1 argues that the United States has repeatedly engaged in illegal military actions and regime changes in multiple countries, starting with the bombing of Belgrade for 78 days to change borders of a European state, with the aim of breaking Serbia and installing Bondsteel, a large NATO base in the Balkans, under Clinton. They claim this was done without UN authority and described as a NATO mission. Speaker 1 continues, alleging that the US has subsequently waged war in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria, where, according to them, the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton tasked the CIA with overthrowing Bashar al-Assad. They also claim NATO illegally bombed Libya to topple Muammar Gaddafi, and that in Kyiv in February 2014 the US overthrew Yanukovych together with right-wing Ukrainian military forces, noting that the overthrow happened the day after EU representatives had reached an agreement with Yanukovych for early elections, a government of national unity, and a stand-down of both sides. They assert that the US supported the new government immediately afterward, despite that agreement and without addressing it as unconstitutional. Speaker 1 asserts that Russia, the United States, and the EU were parties to the 2015 Minsk two agreement, which was unanimously voted on by the UN Security Council, signed by the government of Ukraine, and guaranteed explicitly by Germany and France. They contend that Minsk II was dismissed as a holding pattern by inside-US government circles, despite the UN Security Council approval. They claim Angela Merkel later said Minsk II was a holding pattern to allow Ukraine time to build its strength, countering the assertion that Minsk II was meant to end the war. The speaker emphasizes distrust of the United States government and calls for all sides to sit down publicly to agree on terms, with both the United States and Russia committing to specific boundaries, and for NATO not to enlarge, so that a written, global judgment can be made. Speaker 2 adds that there has been an ongoing effort to create an anti-Russian platform in Ukraine, describing it as an enclave, and accusing the US and its allies of lying about not expanding NATO multiple times. Speaker 3 states that President Putin sent a draft treaty asking NATO to promise no more enlargement as a precondition for not invading Ukraine, and notes that this draft was not signed.

Hunter Biden's ties to the CIA are highlighted, with his involvement in CIA operations through organizations like the National Democratic Institute and Burisma. The CIA's goal was to shift the gas market from Russia to NATO, with Hunter playing a role in this long-term project. The CIA's influence extends to the Justice Department, protecting its assets from investigations. Hunter's connections to CIA operations make him untouchable.