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The speaker questions the number of people deported out of the 2 million encounters and releases at the border. The secretary avoids answering the question and claims the immigration system is broken. The speaker presses for a specific number of non-criminal deportations, but the secretary doesn't provide an answer. The speaker also criticizes the lack of removals for those who received removal orders. The secretary denies this claim. The speaker accuses the secretary of implementing a policy that allows people to stay in the country without committing a crime, burdening social services. The secretary denies this and defends the safe and orderly pathways policy. The speaker argues that encounters at ports of entry have increased, suggesting corruption within the Mexican government. The secretary disagrees with the speaker's statements but fails to provide any numbers. The speaker concludes that the Mexican government and the secretary are influenced by cartels.

In the past 3 years, there has been a significant increase in illegal border crossings and a backlog of asylum cases. The speaker questions why the secretary deserves to keep his job, considering these issues. The secretary responds by acknowledging the problems and emphasizing the need for legislation to address the broken immigration system.

Speaker 0 asks if the US will freeze the $6 billion that was unlocked for Iran in exchange for prisoners, considering Iran's support for Hamas. Speaker 1 responds that none of that money has been spent yet. Speaker 0 then asks if the US will prevent Iran from using the money for their activities, to which Speaker 1 reiterates that none of the money has been spent.

The Pope recently criticized the government's deportation efforts, calling it a disgrace. In response, I emphasize that as a lifelong Catholic, the Pope should focus on issues within the Catholic Church. He can protect the Vatican with its wall, but Americans deserve border security too. Securing the border saves lives—fewer women are victimized by cartels, fewer children drown, and fewer Americans die from fentanyl overdoses. The Pope needs to understand this reality. The wall around the Vatican is impressive, even more so than Trump's wall. Thank you for having me. Next, we’ll discuss trade and manufacturing with Peter Navarro.

The President's Department of Homeland Security Secretary says there is an immediate need for physical barriers at the border, but the President himself does not believe a border wall works. The funds for this construction were appropriated in 2019 under Republican leadership, and DHS is required by law to use the funds for their intended purpose. The administration has continuously asked Congress to provide resources for border security, but Congress has refused. The administration believes in modernizing border technology and land ports of entry instead of building a wall. They are complying with the law, even though they do not believe it is effective. The decision to use these funds was announced six months ago and is not new. They have asked Congress to reappropriate the funds, but Congress refused, so they are moving forward with the law. The administration is complying with the law and believes in the rule of law. They are not breaking any promises made by President Biden.

Julio Rosas of Mace Media asks a former Homeland Security secretary if he regrets facilitating an open border, now that the United States has a secure border under President Trump. Rosas states border crossings are down 95%. Rosas asks if the former secretary regrets allowing Tremder Arawa to gain a foothold in the United States. He questions the secretary about his time in office and facilitating an open border, which Rosas claims was a big issue and one of the reasons President Trump won reelection. Rosas asks if the secretary regrets losing track of thousands of migrant children handed over to HHS. He asks how it feels that mass deportations gained majority support because of the Biden-Harris administration's policies, and claims Tremder Arawa didn't have a foothold in the United States before the secretary's time in office. He asks if the secretary is fine with how they handled the border.

The speaker was asked if they still believe the border should be decriminalized. The speaker responded that there should be consequences for those who cross the border illegally, and laws must be followed and enforced. The speaker claims to be the only person in the race who has prosecuted transnational criminal organizations trafficking guns, drugs, and human beings. They also claim to be the only person in the race who served a border state as attorney general to enforce laws. They would enforce laws as president.

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss immigration and migration as the central issue for their region. They express a belief that immigration policies are letting criminals into the country daily and emphasize the need for the world to know this. They note a large shift in migration patterns, with migrants coming from Central America as well as Venezuela, despite substantial U.S. aid to the region. They describe a U.S. aid strategy they call the root causes strategy, which involves giving money to support and develop the origins of migrants so people can stay where they are. Specifically, they mention pouring 4 billion dollars over four years into Central America and question whether it is effective, acknowledging the continued flow of migrants despite the aid. There is mention of how the aid is allocated: some of it goes to female prisons in Mexico to help train inmates, and there is reference to working on gender issues in Pakistan aimed at recruiting, retaining, and advancing more women in law enforcement. They raise the broader question of whether U.S. taxpayer money should be spent in other countries on these issues, noting that some people claim “women simply don’t seem to care about” certain issues. Speaker 2 frames the discussion with formal gratitude to the committee and indicates upcoming briefings on the FY 2025 budget request on the Hill, highlighting migration as a big issue for their region and asking what is being done to stop migration. The dialogue reflects uncertainty about how to respond to migration and whether the administration can or will justify the policy choices. The speakers discuss the political impact of migration and aid, suggesting that “the end all be all” solution for politics does not exist, and that the other side might gain advantages from perceived failures. They observe that the public view of migration has evolved and that attitudes toward the issue are politically consequential. There is a provocative assertion comparing criminal elements among migrants to the worst criminals in the United States, and a hypothetical claim about if the worst criminals went to Canada, billions of dollars would be sent back, implying a desire to limit illegal entries or criminal migrants. They debate how to adjust the quality of entrants, proposing that a metric change—allowing a high number of entrants only if they have no criminal records and are not in the country illegally—could alter outcomes. Finally, they discuss perceived demographic shifts in the United States, noting that traditional Americans and Latin Americans have different political leanings, with a suggestion that demographics are being shifted by migration and related policy.

One estimate claims it would cost $88 billion to deport one million people a year. A speaker questions whether that is what American taxpayers should expect. Another speaker asks what price should be put on national security and whether it is worth the cost. A speaker asks if mass deportation can occur without separating families. Another speaker claims families can be deported together.

The speaker asks the Secretary about the situation at the southern border, specifically mentioning the high number of people brought through the ports of entry. The Secretary remains silent and does not provide any response.

I asked about the border wall funding and suggested redirecting the money. However, they refused to do so. According to the law, they are obligated to use the money appropriately.

The President's nominee for lead customer support and protection expressed support for continuing the use of Title 42 and completing certain sections of the border wall during a confirmation hearing. The President's stance on these comments is unclear as they have not been reviewed yet. However, the administration generally believes that the border wall is an ineffective policy, as experts have stated. Without having read the comments in context, it is difficult to provide further comment on them.

President and the king of Jordan have stated they will not accept displaced people from Gaza. Is there a way to change their stance, such as imposing tariffs? They will comply. What leads you to believe that? They will do it. We provide significant support to them, and they will respond accordingly. Mr. President, you've made an offer.

- Speaker 0 says, "Are you aware that we are sending $40,000,000 a week to the Taliban?" - Speaker 1 responds, "Yes, sir. Can you name other instances of foreign aid going to terrorist organizations? We have assisted Al Shabaab in Somalia. There's been instances of the Hamzee network in Sudan, Hamas, Islamic Jihad Hezbollah, Kafaiba Hezbollah, Hayat Tahrir al Shams in Syria. Dozens of terror organizations have received indirect assistance from US foreign aid." - Speaker 0 adds, "You know, I'm wondering with all this talk about the Strait Of Hermos and Park Island and everything Lindsey's recommending, why are we listening to a traitor who needs to be arrested to funneling money to have a mosque and Al Qaeda through USAID. He's helping to support the enemies of our nation's food, and it's time to arrest him. He's a traitor."

Speaker 1: Mentions there are many things she wishes people knew, but mostly with the administration she wishes people knew that “we're letting in criminals daily.” Speaker 2: States the big issue for the region is migration, noting “we poured a lot of money into Central America,” amounting to “4,000,000,000 over four years,” but migrants are now coming from elsewhere, including Venezuela. Speaker 3: Asks, “So what is the end goal?” Speaker 1: Asks why aren’t they allowing children, noting “a lot of children travel to The United States, David.” Speaker 2: Explains aid goes to female presence in Mexico, training women, and mentions working with gender issues in Pakistan, aiming to recruit, retain, and advance more women in law enforcement. Asks whether US taxpayers’ money should be spent in “our country on this issue,” implying women may not care about certain aspects. Speaker 2: Asks how close Secretary Lincoln is to him, “five degrees separation,” and notes migration is a niche industry that flies under the radar; the average American doesn’t know what they do. Speaker 1: Thanks the chairman, ranking member, and members for the opportunity to testify. Speaker 2: Mentions upcoming briefings in two weeks on the FY 2025 budget request on the Hill. Speaker 0: States migration is the big issue for the Hill and asks, “Stop migration. What are we doing to stop migration?” Speaker 1: Responds that he’s not accountable for that and says, “We do stuff,” referencing the root causes strategy, which is about giving money to support and help people at the origins of migrants so they feel they can stay there instead of migrating. It’s “Central America, basically.” He says they poured a lot of money into Central America, and again mentions “4,000,000,000 over four years.” Speaker 2: Asks if it’s doing anything; response: yes, for them, but migrants are now coming from elsewhere like Venezuela, and acknowledges that outcome looks bad for the administration and for politics in general. Speaker 3: Seeks the end goal and asks again why there’s a limit on who’s allowed in. Speaker 1: Cites changes in demographics in the United States; notes that Nebraskans are traditional Americans not leftists, while Latin Americans are described as leftists, framing it as a system to try to change demographics.

I recently visited the southern border and spoke with the head of the border guards union. Children are coming over with phone numbers and addresses written on them, but we are not thoroughly checking them. This could be leading them into dangerous situations like prostitution and sweatshops, all funded by American tax dollars.

The border is secure, it's a top priority for any nation, including ours.

The speaker was asked when the border situation became a crisis, and responded that the immigration system has been broken for a long time, even before the Trump administration. The speaker stated the system needs to be fixed and more resources are needed, such as more judges to process cases faster. Congress is the only place that can fix it. The questioner noted that many Trump border policies were rescinded and that the border patrol union supported a bipartisan bill, but also endorsed Donald Trump and called the current administration a failure on border security.

Speaker 1 stated she never intended to nor will she ever allow America to have a border that is not secure. She believes illegal immigration needs consequences. Part of her plan includes putting in resources, including increasing penalties. The full plan is available at kamalaharris.com.

We must remember that what happened in Israel can happen here in the United States. Both parties have neglected to protect our homeland for the past 25 years, but that ends under my leadership. I recently visited the northern border and I am currently addressing the issue at hand. Both the southern and northern borders are problematic, and we need to take steps to secure our homeland.

The speaker asserts the border is secure. They state, "The border is secure," and affirm, "We have a secure border." As president, the speaker pledges to secure the border.

Mister Birchitt (the chair) and Congressman discussions about US foreign aid and terrorism. - Congressman asks Roman if the US is sending $40,000,000 a week to the Taliban. Roman confirms. - He asks for other instances of foreign aid going to terrorist organizations. Birchitt/ Roman responds: US assistance has gone to Al Shabaab in Somalia; the Hamzee network in Sudan; Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Kabaiba Hezbollah; Hayat Tahrir al Sham’s in Syria. Dozens of terror organizations have received indirect US aid. - The Congressman requests elaboration on mechanisms to stop aid to terrorists and why they aren’t working. Birchitt/Roman describe Gaza as a case study: $2.1 billion in American taxpayers’ money to Gaza since October 7. USAID provided emergency use funds to parties USAID previously had relationships with in the Gaza Strip, vetted by OFAC and special designated terrorists lists; waivers granted due to emergency, bypassing usual screening. As a result, 90% of US aid via Gaza ended up in Hamas-controlled areas. The aid underwrote Hamas’s ability to survive until the ceasefire. No strategic thought behind it; no screening. - The Congressman asks if the emergency might have armed terrorists to kill civilians. Birchitt agrees. He adds: Samantha Power, administrator for USAID, was intent on Israel not being able to defend itself. - The Congressman mispronounces Primarack (Birchitt jokingly comments). They discuss how terrorists exploited foreign aid loopholes. - Witnesses discuss how international NGOs and UN agencies lobby Washington against vetting policies. A former senior vetting officer at USAID describes that the UN and others lobby against stricter vetting; InterAction, the largest NGO lobby, is mentioned as having a former employee on the panel. USAID effectively self-funds its own external private lobby that then goes back to Congress asking for more money for USAID. The implication is that taxpayers fund this lobby against American interests, potentially harming allies and Americans. - They claim USAID programs have not been aligned with U.S. national security interests and have actually helped China. The programs are said to push the world toward China on the green energy agenda, and to push ordinary people toward China due to perceived social reengineering. - They note that many countries benefit from funding without needing lobbying, such as South Africa. Lobbyists have pressured to kill HR 160, a bill from the last session intended to increase transparency in USAID funding of overseas organizations and to enable terror-financing investigations. - They reference a regulation from the prior administration requiring terrorist financing screening databases for entities handling money in terrorist-prone areas; that regulation was overturned by Biden. - The Chairwoman notes having only five seconds left as the exchange ends with a brief mention of concluding remarks.

Under President Trump, our border was more secure than under President Biden. I visited the border and spoke with Arkansas National Guard members who are there because the federal government is not doing their job. They informed us that in just one month, more people on the terrorist watch list crossed the border than during Trump's entire presidency.

Senator Alex Padilla stated he has questions for the secretary regarding violent criminals. Another speaker is concerned about ICE agents being targeted and doxxed for doing their job. They specifically asked how many ICE agents have been doxxed.

Jenny Terry from the Daily Caller News Foundation asks the Secretary about the decrease in border numbers and the low illegal encounters. She questions why people are still being brought through the ports of entry and asks for an explanation.