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"I wouldn't be surprised one bit. I am convinced based on my own sources and my own reporting on this story. He wasn't one of ours." "I guess Mossad given his connection to Ghislain Maxwell." "it's possible that that's the reason everything's getting buried." "as for whether he was an agent, that I don't know. I I haven't looked into that. I'll get back to you." "And, Megan, remember, Alexander Acosta in 02/2007, he said he was told to treat Epstein carefully because he was an intel asset." "His subpoena, his search warrant on Jeffrey Epstein's residence was very narrow. It was not the kind of like, let's get everything inside this guy's, you know, dressers and so on." "We did not find the magic documents or photos or evidence of anything." "And why not? I don't know. We'll ever know why not."

Antisemitism is “you know, it’s always kind of lurking underneath, and you need sometimes sometimes events over the years, you know, pull it out.” The speaker recalls Captain Dreyfus being accused of treason in France and Theodor Herzl watching, and suddenly, “kill Dreyfus, kill all the Jews.” The question is, where did “kill all the Jews” come from? The response is that, from one guy, antisemitism can surge. The speaker notes that today we have our Dreyfus again. We have the war. We have Jeffrey Epstein, who, the speaker says, “hated Israel,” and “had nothing there was nothing about him that was Jewish. Didn’t observe Judaism, didn’t practice Judaism.” The speaker adds as a side thought: “If you don’t mind me jumping in on this,” and then discusses a common claim: people say you can be anti-Zionist without being anti-Semitic, arguing that Judaism is just a religion, not a nationality, so they are not against the religion but against the nation, and it “shouldn’t be considered a nation.” The speaker then contends that Epstein is not a Jew under that standard because there is nothing about him that identifies with Israel. The only related claim is that “one of his emails says, I hate Israel. Right? There’s nothing about him that is religious at all.” However, when it comes to antisemitism, the speaker asserts, “he’s a Jew.” That is presented as the final point on Epstein’s case. The speaker mentions Epstein “tried to work with a former prime minister,” calling that his only connection. The former prime minister referred to is David Barak, described as not in politics for many, many years and having no influence in Israel, and “is the, kind of, the main political antagonist of Netanyahu.” The transcript notes that Epstein’s only connection was with David Barak, and that Barak is viewed as Netanyahu’s main political antagonist, despite Barak’s long absence from active politics. The passage ends with that acknowledgment of Epstein’s connection being limited to Barak.

"No one, and I mean absolutely no one, outside of my husband and Erica Kirk has the power to shut me up right now. That's it. Two people." "If gotta make an appeal, you gotta go to them." "That money means nothing to me. I already said no to it." "Don't push me, or I will name more names." "What happens in the Hamptons is not going to stay in the Hamptons." "Charlie presented, and he explained that he felt that it was wrong that he couldn't publicly criticize Israel." "if I tweeted, I think that Bibi Netanyahu should resign, that he would then be unfairly attacked." "I'm offering you my platform to do that, and I'm not here. I'm not in the business of smearing."

Jeffrey Epstein likely worked for non-American intelligence services, and it's acceptable to question on whose behalf he operated. How did he acquire his wealth and connections without a college degree? Epstein had direct connections to a foreign government, and it's acceptable to name Israel without being hateful or anti-Semitic. Criticizing a government's behavior is a right of citizenship, not an act of disloyalty. Citizens have the right to expect their government to act in their interest and to demand that foreign governments not act against their interest. Many in Washington D.C. believe Epstein was running a blackmail operation for a foreign government, possibly Mossad, but are afraid to say it. The longer this is avoided, the more hateful the conversation becomes. The question of whether this happened should be asked directly to the Israeli government, and their refusal to answer should be unacceptable as long as the U.S. provides them with money. Citizens have a right to know if crimes were committed on U.S. soil.

"BB's holding it up like Charlie just in May said, hey, you know what? I just want to write a love letter to Israel." "I'm an American citizen. Yes. I want Israel to win. Yes. I'm a Christian." "But my moral character is now being put into question, Megan." "But no. I am a bad person if I do this." "Thousands of tweets and text messages." "the people that are attacking me are in a hyperparanoid state because they're at war, and war tends to make things black and white, and you're a hammer looking for a nail." "What would it be like if all of a sudden I'm starting to see a pattern of behavior similar to what my grandparents saw in nineteen thirties Germany online? How would I behave?" "Tucker Carlson was really the focus when it came to America Fest."

"If Bibi Netanyahu, if he does something I don't like and if I criticize it, am I, like, a bad Christian? Absolutely not." "What I find strange is that we're able to criticize the American government sometimes in the Christian world with more freedom than the Israeli government." "To be pro Israel means you believe in the nation of Israel Mhmm. Not necessarily the government of Israel." "When you when Joe Biden was president, you and I were what we loved America, but we detested our government." "If they challenge a foreign government, which is what happens so often. Right. Like you're a bad Christian if you have a question about a foreign government." "Right. That creates backlash that I don't think people understand."

- "Charlie Kirk is the pro Zionist guy." - "What if they were listening in to him and he was in communications with people saying, hey. I think I'm gonna go this direction and they knew his intentions or saw this pattern." - "Here's this pro Zionist guy with this incredibly powerful platform that they built, by the way, that Charlie has, thanks to them." - "So if he's gonna take what they gave him and turn it against them, that could literally destroy Israel because the youth is people they're most concerned about." - "We can't let him turn." - "Israel was never my top suspect until, you know, I've spent twenty four hours thinking about it, I'm like, it's not unreasonable. It's not even out of the question in terms of would Israel do this." - "it's in their wheelhouse."

Speaker 0 discusses the nature of the allegations surrounding Epstein and the broader “pedo” discourse. They begin by asking whether the situation is essentially pedophilia, noting a reluctance to voice this directly but concluding that they feel compelled to say it. They state: “This whole pedo thing, it's like, isn't it really pedophilia? I don't wanna be the one that has to say it, but I guess I'm being forced to say it.” They then attempt to distinguish between what some describe as trafficking and what they consider the case to be, saying: “It's not really pedophilia, okay? They weren't trafficking five year olds, it was like they were technically not legal. Big difference in my opinion.” They acknowledge this as a controversial perspective and proceed to articulate a position: “I know that's a controversial take, but that's not really the issue there, Okay? The issue is not that they were barely legal teens, which is what it is. It's horrendous, it's awful, it's pedophilia.” The speaker then shifts the topic away from the legality of the ages to a related, more conspiratorial claim, emphasizing that the core issue, in their view, lies in an alleged association between Epstein and a broader espionage context. They insist: “Okay, relax. No, the issue is that Epstein is a Jewish spy probably working with Israel.” They frame Epstein as being connected to Israeli intelligence, presenting this as the central dilemma rather than the specifics of the sexual exploitation allegations. Throughout, Speaker 0 presents a sequence of framed assertions: first, a provocative reframing of the ethical category involved (from illegal but not strictly illegal acts to pedophilia), then a qualitative judgment about the severity and nature of the acts themselves, and finally a shift to a geopolitical and intelligence-related conspiracy claim about Epstein’s possible affiliation with Jewish identity and Israeli intelligence. The speaker explicitly acknowledges the controversial nature of their viewpoint but maintains that the primary concern is not the legal characterization of the victims’ ages but the asserted espionage connection. No further context, evidence, or qualifiers are provided in the excerpt, and the speaker does not offer evidence supporting the espionage claim within this transcript. The emphasis remains on contrasting opinions about how to categorize the behavior, followed by a bold assertion regarding Epstein’s alleged role as a Jewish spy associated with Israel.

"Anti defamation league gets a green light." "Only for some. Yes." "You may not cite them." "You can't you can't find the Jewish perspective on the war so easily anymore." "Not to my knowledge, except now there is a congressional investigation." "I don't know if my tweet had anything to do with the start of that." "I think it had more to do with the reporting of Ashley Rinsberg." "And well, of course, Israel and I would add, Hindus are very bothered with the way that their ethnic groups are treated in Wikipedia." "And both of both a whole bunch of Jews and Hindus have been after me in the last couple of years saying, you've got to speak out." "You've got to speak out." "People who are organized have a way to push back against the lying." "I think that if, like, Israeli intelligence, for example, got together and made a real concerted effort to to fight against the this group of 40 Muslim activists that Ashley Rinsberg identified." "They might be able to make some inroads." "It really depends It's possible."

"If Bibi Netanyahu, if he does something I don't like and if I criticize it, am I, like, a bad Christian? Absolutely not." "What I find strange is that we're able to criticize the American government sometimes in the Christian world with more freedom than the Israeli government." "To be pro Israel means you believe in the nation of Israel Mhmm. Not necessarily the government of Israel." "When you when Joe Biden was president, you and I were what we loved America, but we detested our government. And those two those two things beautifully coexisted." "Exactly. And what they don't want is they don't wanna be called bad Christians Mhmm." "If they challenge a foreign government, which is what happens so often. Right. Like you're a bad Christian if you have a question about a foreign government." "Right. That creates backlash that I don't think people understand."

- "I believe that the American government is sort of trapped by the Israelis. Jeffrey Epstein is one of their tools to trap them." - "Bill Clinton, president Bill Clinton, Ehud Barak met Arafat in the nineties, and there was no deal. The reason was Epstein. They were being blackmailed by Epstein." - "They were about to reach an agreement there for a two state solution, but that was stopped because of Epstein." - "And I believe the Israelis have the American government captive due to what happened what happens with Epstein or what happened in the past with Epstein." - "But everything is stuck over Gazelle." - "I don't think Trump wants to continue this war or the genocide. I think it's the Israelis holding him back." - "John f Kennedy was assassinated with Israeli intelligence help."

Speaker 0: "We're just gonna try to we're we're gonna just stamp out everything type type of practice, but it goes to the point where if, for example, if I I have less ability sometimes online to criticize the Israeli government about backlash than actual Israelis do. And that's really, really weird, isn't it, Megan?" Speaker 1: "That's not right. Wrong headed." He says he faced blowback after saying, "Mossad, possibilities with Epstein," a comment he stands by, and that he "reported what Alan Dershowitz has said as his lawyer." He writes, "He says, I think he would have told me. He didn't say he had any of those connections. I hear all that. That doesn't mean it's not true." "I think all these things should be explored." "It's one of the many things that should be explored around Epstein." He finishes, "But saying that and also saying he might be a US asset, etcetera, doesn't make you antisemitic."

I understand the concerns of feminist groups and radicals who criticize any association with Jeffrey Epstein. However, I question their silence on the mass rapes and abuse of young Jewish girls. The hypocrisy of the Me Too movement is evident when it comes to Jewish victims. I want to see a list of radical feminists who actively support revealing names and condemning Hamas for their crimes. I am glad that papers have been released, as they exonerate me. I only worry that some documents may have been withheld by judges. I believe every document, including those that challenge the credibility of accusers and accused, should be made public. We should not assume guilt based on accusations or associations.

'we are at war right now. And there's two sides.' 'the side of good, aka the side of pro Palestine, the side of release the Epstein files, the side of let's have truth, justice, and honor, and no corruption reign supreme across the world.' 'the side of pro pedophiles, pro genocide, pro corruption, pro lying.' 'If you're on the fence, you're on the side of the fucking pedophiles.' 'Epstein was a hoax' and 'Israel is the victim and they're not committing genocide in genocide in Gaza,' claiming they're paid to disseminate this bullshit. 'I'm gonna smile every fucking time.' 'That's how happy I would be.' 'And if you got a problem with that, I have a very big dick. I'll pull it out, and you can suck on it.'

Republicans are reminded that not all Jewish people support Israel, and it is important not to express hatred towards all Jews. The speaker discusses the ties between Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein, and Israel, highlighting connections to Mossad and various individuals. They mention the influence of Israel on discussions about Epstein and claim that Israel controls the platforms where Epstein is discussed. The speaker also brings up the financial ties between Israel and US politicians, including the president and the Clintons. They criticize the Israeli offensive against Palestine and suggest that Israel is responsible for a large human trafficking ring. The speaker questions the support for Israel and argues that calling out a genocide is not anti-Semitic. They mention the cognitive dissonance on the internet and briefly mention TikTok's commitment to freedom of speech.

"If Bibi Netanyahu, if he does something I don't like and if I criticize it, am I, like, a bad Christian? Absolutely not." "What I find strange is that we're able to criticize the American government sometimes in the Christian world with more freedom than the Israeli government." "To be pro Israel means you believe in the nation of Israel Mhmm. Not necessarily the government of Israel." "When you when Joe Biden was president, you and I were what we loved America, but we detested our government." "You never you never once said, hey, I'm I'm out on America. On America's right." "And what they don't want is they don't wanna be called bad Christians Mhmm." "If they challenge a foreign government, which is what happens so often. Right. Like you're a bad Christian if you have a question about a foreign government."

"And that suits the Israelis just fine." "And if you're wondering why there's an awful lot of lunatic antisemitic comment about Israel online, you have to wonder how much of that is organic." "But how much of it is not organic at all?" "How much of that is being ginned up on purpose to make legitimate questions about the US government's relationship with the government of Israel seem like crackpot stuff, like hate, like David Duke level lunacy?" "Probably some because it serves their interest." "And so the true shame here, the actual villain in the story is the leadership of The United States that is putting up with serial humiliation for decades." "You'd think every country would act that way, and most do." "And for what reason? So if there's someone to be mad at, it's our leaders."

Speaker 0 expresses that "The behavior by a lot, both privately and publicly, are pushing people like you and me away" and that he is accused of being an anti-Semite despite "I honor the Shabbat, literally the Jewish Sabbath." He notes online backlash, "thousands of tweets and text messages," and that his "moral character is now being put into question" for supporting Israel. Speaker 1 agrees the treatment is unfair, saying "Dave Smith isn't allowed to criticize Israel" and that "the Israeli side was overrepresented." They discuss Americans first, resisting accusations, and the difficulty of criticizing the Israeli government online. They reference Epstein's controversial topic and say they hosted a debate giving "equal time to Josh Hammer, equal time to a pro Israel advocate." They observe a "hyperparanoid state" online and wonder if patterns resemble "nineteen thirties Germany."

Jeffrey Epstein's wealth and connections raise questions about who he was working for, possibly foreign intelligence services. It's acceptable to ask if he worked for a foreign government, such as Israel, without it being considered hateful or anti-Semitic. Criticizing a government's actions is a right of citizenship, not an act of disloyalty. Many in Washington believe Epstein had connections to Mossad and ran a blackmail operation for a foreign government. The speaker questions why this can't be openly discussed. The speaker believes avoiding the topic creates resentment and hate. The Israeli government should be asked directly if they were involved, and their refusal to answer is unacceptable. As long as the U.S. provides financial aid, citizens have a right to know if crimes were committed on U.S. soil.

Speaker 0 raises a question about accountability for Israel and mentions Jeffrey Epstein’s dealings with Mossad. Speaker 1 asks, without specifics, whether there are forces that tried to influence him to stop what he’s doing now. Speaker 0 responds that they wouldn’t vote for foreign aid and foreign war funding, and they were upset because he said no. He states: “I’m not voting to fund the Ukraine war ever,” and “Israel’s doing just fine. We don’t need to give them a penny, not a single penny, nor do we need to give it to any other country, but they get mad at me for that.”

"If Bibi Netanyahu, if he does something I don't like and if I criticize it, am I, like, a bad Christian? Absolutely not." "What I find strange is that we're able to criticize the American government sometimes in the Christian world with more freedom than the Israeli government." "To be pro Israel means you believe in the nation of Israel Mhmm. Not necessarily the government of Israel." "When you when Joe Biden was president, you and I were what we loved America, but we detested our government." "And those two things beautifully coexisted." "If they challenge a foreign government, which is what happens so often." "Right. Like you're a bad Christian if you have a question about a foreign government." "Right. That creates backlash that I don't think people understand."

Speaker 0 addresses the topic of the Epstein situation, expressing a controversial viewpoint about labeling the matter. They begin by saying, "This whole pedo thing, it's like, isn't it really pedophilia? I don't wanna be the one that has to say it, but I guess I'm being forced to say it." They then attempt to clarify their stance by asserting, "It's not really pedophilia, okay? They weren't trafficking five year olds, it was like they were technically not legal. Big difference in my opinion." The speaker acknowledges that this interpretation is controversial, adding, "I know that's a controversial take, but that's not really the issue there, Okay, the issue is not that they were barely legal teens, which is what it is." They continue to differentiate between the legality and the ethical horror, insisting, "It's horrendous, it's awful, it's pedophilia, okay." However, despite labeling it pedophilia, they pivot to a different focal point, stating, "No, the issue is that Epstein is a Jewish spy probably working with Israel." The speaker characterizes Epstein as being "probably working with Israel" and frames this as the underlying dilemma. They conclude by reiterating their position, "He's working with Israeli intelligence," emphasizing that this supposed affiliation constitutes the core of the dilemma discussed.

Jeffrey Epstein was working on behalf of Intel Services, likely not American, and it's valid to question on whose behalf he operated. How did he go from a math teacher to owning multiple airplanes, a private island, and a large Manhattan house without a college degree? Epstein had direct connections to a foreign government, and while people avoid naming Israel, there's nothing wrong, hateful, antisemitic, or anti-Israel about asking if he worked for Mossad, running a blackmail operation. Everyone in Washington D.C. suspects this, but feels unable to voice it. The speaker believes open discussion is better than suppressed resentment and hate. The question of whether this happened has been posed to the Israeli government, who declined to answer. The speaker argues that as long as the U.S. sends Israel money, the U.S. has a right to know if Israel committed crimes on U.S. soil.

Speaker 0 describes the backlash: "The behavior by a lot, both privately and publicly, are pushing people like you and me away." He adds: "I am learning biblical Hebrew and writing a book on the Shabbat. I honor the Shabbat, literally the Jewish Sabbath. I visit Israel and fight for it." He asserts identity and support: "Yes. I'm an American citizen." "Yes. I want Israel to win." "But my moral character is now being put into question." He emphasizes the impact of online discourse: "Well, you and I believe that we're Americans and Americans first, period. End of story. We are citizens of this nation." He cites: "And the thing about Epstein is just so bizarre. I don't know who he was an agent for. It might have been Israel or an asset, or it might have been nobody, but we're allowed to speculate about that. It's like just some rule. You can't go there when it comes to Israel." He concludes with: "I love Israel."

Speaker 0: Do you agree with Candace Owens that the reason we are not going to see the client list is because Israel is implicated? Speaker 1: Israel is implicated. I’m just going to say that. Speaker 0: But what would Israel have to do with Epstein? Speaker 1: I mean, the former prime minister of Israel, he had Barack lived at Epstein's townhouse for years. I mean, the allegation is that Epstein was running a blackmail operation against powerful people where they would be videotaped having outside of marriage or illegally with underage women, that information will be used against them to get them to comply with whatever request that government wanted them to comply with. I think it's absolutely fair to ask to what extent was Epstein involved in a foreign intelligence operation on our show. This is our country. This country doesn't belong to any foreign country. Okay. This is our country. I was born here. I pay taxes here. So if some foreign country, I don't care if you claim it's our ally or not, is running an intel operation on my soil, I have a right to know what that was.