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Speaker 0 asked about a report and how concerning it is, questioning whether “10” is the real number. Speaker 1 said the main concern is that the report “dramatically understates the problem.” They argued that analyses rely on doctors and that it was difficult to obtain autopsies during the pandemic. Speaker 1 stated that medical professors did not want to know, resulting in very few autopsies. They said NIH, CDC, and FDA reviewed 96 autopsies of children and identified about 10 cases they considered possible or probable. Speaker 1 then pointed to VAERS, stating there are almost 1.7 million total adverse events and 39,000 deaths worldwide. They said that of the 39,000 deaths, 24% occurred on the day of vaccination or within one or two days. They acknowledged FDA officials say VAERS does not prove causation, but said that if someone was perfectly healthy and died on that day or within one or two days, they would assign blame. Speaker 1 also said there may be cases where people were already in bad health and vaccination “tipped them over,” with death ultimately caused by something else. Speaker 1’s “bigger revelation” was described as information they said was not covered by mainstream media. They stated that on 03/01/2021, Peter Marks, head of CBR within FDA, was briefed that their algorithm analyzing VAERS safety would hide and mask safety signals. Speaker 1 said that 26 days later, Marks ran a new algorithm that unmasked 49 cases of extreme masking and 25 safety signals, including sudden cardiac death, pulmonary infarction, Bell’s palsy, and different types of strokes. Speaker 1 said that in the next three months, similar data runs with the new algorithm showed more safety signals and more types of sudden death. They said the report described not “pin[ning] a badge” on doctor Anna Scharzman (identified as the dad of Speaker 1’s expert), ordering her to cease and desist, and continuing to use the algorithm the briefing warned would hide safety signals “to this day.” Speaker 1 said Peter Marks later went to work for Eli Lilly and claimed that the world is in denial. They stated they could not get the story broadcast or interviews on CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, MS Now, or CNN, and said they challenged Jake Tapper, sending the report and requesting an additional appearance.

Twenty percent of Americans did not take the COVID vaccine because it was not safe enough. The mRNA in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines has been chemically modified to resist breakdown by enzymes. The mRNA and spike protein are found in the heart and brain, and the spike protein circulates in the blood for six to nine months post-vaccination. The speaker claims the lethal part of the virus circulates in the blood of vaccinated individuals, especially after boosters, and that it is a killer protein. The speaker asserts safety trumps efficacy and objects to claims that vaccines, specifically the COVID-19 vaccine, saved millions of lives. They state that consent forms do not guarantee the vaccine will save lives and that there has never been a prospective, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial showing that COVID-19 vaccines reduce mortality or hospitalization.

The speaker suggests that the COVID-19 vaccine may be causing more harm than good. They claim to have conducted a study of over 300 autopsies, finding that 73.9% of deaths after vaccination were caused by the vaccine. They also state that 100% of cardiac arrest and sudden deaths had no other explanation but the vaccine. The speaker emphasizes the importance of these findings, as death is usually attributed to known causes.

The speaker claims that in Pfizer's initial vaccine trial with 20,000 vaccinated and 20,000 unvaccinated participants, the vaccinated group had 23% more deaths from all causes than the placebo group after six months. The speaker states that the claim of 100% vaccine efficacy was based on the fact that two people in the placebo group died from COVID versus one person in the vaccine group. The speaker asserts that people believed the vaccine would prevent them from getting COVID, which they now realize is false.

The speaker claims that the COVID vaccine is toxic and could have caused the deaths of 17 million people worldwide. They suggest that there is a temporary increase in all-cause mortality following vaccine rollouts, which is consistent across different countries. Another speaker points out that normally, deaths decrease in the summer, but during the vaccine campaign, there are spikes in mortality, even in the Southern Hemisphere where it should be low. They mention that this pattern is seen during booster rollouts as well. This phenomenon is described as unprecedented.

Speaker 0 questions the idea that Doctor Fauci is involved in a plot to kill millions, seeking clarity on the claim. Speaker 1 says they are reasonable and that Fauci is not an innocent bystander; he is aware of what he’s doing, but the extent of involvement is not known to them. Speaker 2 cites the Center for Countering Digital Hate, stating Dirashad Bhattar is one of the top spreaders of COVID disinformation, once with more than a million followers. Bhattar allegedly claimed “More people are dying from the COVID vaccine than from COVID,” and that “the Red Cross won’t accept blood from people who have had the COVID nineteen vaccine.” He posted that “most who took COVID vaccines will be dead by 2025,” and promoted the overarching conspiracy that COVID was a planned operation as part of a secret global plot to depopulate the earth. Speaker 0 asks if Speaker 2 believes the pandemic was planned; Speaker 2 confirms there is a suspicion of a plan to reduce the population, though Speaker 1 says they have no idea. Speaker 2 criticizes Bhattar, saying it would be laughable if it weren’t so dangerous and that Qatar (Qatar’s commentary) compares COVID and the vaccine to World War II and Doctor Anthony Fauci to Adolf Hitler. Speaker 1 pushes back by asking to what extent Fauci would be equated with Hitler. Speaker 3 asserts that lies cost lives in a pandemic, and that encouraging people not to vaccinate will cause people to lose their lives. Speaker 2 describes Qatar as encouraging distrust of life-saving vaccines and using false, twisted information and unproven conspiracies to do so. Speaker 0 asks if the COVID vaccine works. Speaker 1 states the vaccine is very effective at what it was designed for, but “it’s not preventing death. Certainly not.” Speaker 2 contradicts, claiming that Bhattar believes life-saving vaccines are more dangerous than the virus itself, and Speaker 1 asks why the vaccine would cause more deaths than the problem itself, noting 6,340,000,000 doses administered. Speaker 0 requests the completion of a sentence about what each vaccine is geared up for, but Speaker 1 says he’s not a vaccine developer and mentions “Scientific corruption.” Speaker 2 notes Qatar has been removed from Facebook and Instagram due to disinformation but remains on Twitter, Telegram, and his own site, filled with falsehoods. Speaker 0 recalls a September 5 retweet of a doctored AstraZeneca packaging photo suggesting the vaccine was made in 2018; Speaker 1 says the photo was perhaps fake, and questions why Speaker 0 would challenge the agencies that have caused deaths. Speaker 0 argues it’s reasonable to question agencies, noting Speaker 1 had 1,200,000 followers who received false information; Speaker 1 admits if a tweet with a doctor’s photo was sent in error, it was a mistake, and he cannot make mistakes on the numbers. Speaker 2 notes vaccine studies showing vaccines remain ninety percent effective in preventing hospitalization and death, while Qatar claims the vaccine is the danger. Speaker 1 counters that thousands are dying and the delta variant is “vaccine injured,” citing CDC data, which Speaker 0 disputes as not true. Speaker 1 asserts he does not want to be part of a mass genocide and suggests this era will be remembered as a worst time in history, even worse than World War II. Speaker 0 concludes by calling Speaker 1 crazy. Speaker 2 ends with a reference to North Carolina’s Board of Medicine reprimanding someone prior to COVID.

In the Pfizer trial, more people died who received the vaccine than the placebo. The clinical trial showed one life could be saved from COVID for every 22,000 people vaccinated. However, more people died in the trial from the vaccine itself. While vaccines may have saved 10,000 lives in a year, at least 150,000 people have been killed by the vaccine, according to VAERS data. The speaker claims that 150,000 deaths is the cost of saving 10,000 lives, and that the risk benefit is even worse for kids, where 117 kids are killed to save one life. Doctors are allegedly not allowed to talk about deaths caused by the vaccine.

The speaker claims that the vaccine is toxic and could have caused the deaths of 17 million people worldwide. They argue that after each vaccine rollout, there is a temporary increase in overall mortality. This pattern is observed consistently across countries with sufficient data. Another speaker points out that typically, deaths decrease in the summer and increase in the winter, but during the COVID vaccine campaign, there are spikes in mortality right after the campaigns, even in the summer. They mention that this pattern is seen in both the northern and southern hemispheres. The speakers emphasize that this is a new phenomenon.

Speaker 0 says 25% of Americans believe they know someone who was killed by a COVID vaccine, emphasizing that this percentage is “killed.” Speaker 0 also states that 52% of Americans believe the vaccines are causing injuries, including death. Speaker 0 then discusses Pfizer clinical trial studies, saying that the released Pfizer study had 22,000 people in the placebo group and 22,000 people who received the vaccine. Speaker 0 claims that, at the end of the study, people who received the vaccine had a 23% higher death rate from all causes. Speaker 0 adds that Moderna has not released its clinical trial studies. Speaker 0 then responds to a question about whether the death rate could be caused by the disease itself, stating, “If it is, then the vaccine doesn't work, does it?” Speaker 0 continues with additional responses that the exchange indicates uncertainty about the implications of the higher death rate.

The speaker claims that the vaccine is toxic and could have killed 17 million people worldwide. They argue that after each booster rollout, there is a peak in all cause mortality, which is consistently observed across different countries. Another speaker points out that normally, deaths decrease in the summer, but during the COVID vaccine campaign, there are spikes in mortality right after vaccine campaigns, even in the Southern Hemisphere where it should be a low death period. They mention that this pattern is seen in all 17 countries they studied. Overall, they emphasize that these observations are unprecedented.

The speaker claims that the death rates from a specific vaccine are significantly higher than all other vaccines combined over the past 30 years. They state that there have been 17,000 recorded deaths in the United States from this vaccine, but believe the actual death rate is much higher. They argue that the risks of the vaccine are unacceptable and that the benefits diminish after six months. They mention British data suggesting that vaccinated individuals are more likely to get COVID-19 compared to the unvaccinated, which was predicted. The speaker also accuses Pfizer of knowing about the risks and deaths associated with their vaccine but still proceeded with its distribution. They emphasize the need for people to see and understand these studies to uncover the alleged deception.

Speaker 0 asks about a report and how concerning it is, suggesting that if the reported figure is 10, there is a “real number” that could be higher. Speaker 1 says the main concern is that the analysis “dramatically understates the problem.” They describe the difficulty of getting autopsies during the pandemic and say medical professors didn’t want to perform them, resulting in very few autopsies. They state that NIH/CDC/FDA reviewed 96 pediatric autopsies and concluded about 10 were possible or probable. Speaker 1 then argues that safety signals were “screaming,” and points to VAERS. They claim there are almost 1.7 million total adverse events and 39,000 deaths worldwide. They say 24% of the 39,000 deaths occurred on the day of vaccination or within one or two days. Speaker 1 also references the point that VAERS doesn’t prove causation, while stating that if a person who was “perfectly healthy” died that day or within one or two days, they would “be blaming” the jab. They add that in some cases people may have been in bad health already, with death tipped over by another cause. Speaker 1 says the “bigger revelation,” which they claim was unveiled three weeks ago and is “still not being covered by the mainstream media,” involves FDA’s VAERS algorithm. They state that on 03/01/2021, Peter Marks (head of CBER/FDA’s division approving vaccines and surveilling post-approval safety) was briefed that their algorithm analyzing VAERS would “hide and mask safety signals.” They say that 26 days later, a new algorithm unmasked safety signals, producing 49 cases of extreme masking revealed and 25 safety signals, including sudden cardiac death, pulmonary infarction, Bell’s palsy, and different types of strokes. They claim that similar data runs over the next three months showed more safety signals and more sudden death. Speaker 1 further claims that FDA did not “pin a badge” on Anna Scharzman, referred to as the father of their expert, and instead “shunned her off to the side,” ordered her to cease and desist, and decided to use the algorithm they had been warned would hide safety signals, which they say is still being used. Speaker 1 states that Peter Marks left for Eli Lilly and claims “the entire world” is in denial. They say they have been unable to broadcast the story or get interviews on CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, MSNBC, or CNN, and that they challenged Jake Tapper, who they say agreed to read the report but has not invited them back yet.

The speaker discusses the vaccine's link to death and disability, citing over 37,000 deaths globally reported on VAERS. They criticize regulators for not addressing this issue earlier and mention a conversation with Francis Collins about vaccine-related deaths. The speaker also mentions a conversation with Dr. Redfield, who admitted downplaying vaccine injuries to avoid creating hesitancy. Dr. Redfield acknowledged that there are more injuries than reported.

The speakers claim the COVID-19 vaccination program is an ongoing mass experiment that President Trump doesn't want to stop because he is proud of Operation Warp Speed. One speaker says this is tragic because the vaccines are being given to kids. One speaker describes internal fighting and paradoxical actions, such as trying to block the vaccine rollout while simultaneously targeting new variants with updated mRNA vaccines. They assert the vaccines are killing people, referencing autopsy evidence and histopathology. One speaker highlights a leaked video where Trump suggests limiting the vaccine for kids but believes it helps older people. The other speaker refutes this, stating the vaccine kills older people, citing autopsy findings and a BMJ report by the Norwegian Health Authority that found the vaccine likely caused at least 10% and possibly up to 36% of post-vaccination deaths investigated. They claim the CDC reports zero deaths from mRNA vaccines, a claim they dispute based on histopathology slides.

The speakers discuss the potential effects of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines. Speaker 1 explains that the idea of DNA fragments and reverse transcription in vaccines is a distinct possibility proven in vitro (in the laboratory) but not as solidly established in real-life humans. He says the machinery exists to reverse transcribe the synthetic mRNA in “these gene products” but notes skepticism about certain public figures and officials who allegedly ignored earlier communications. He cites Denis Rancourt’s data, claiming the vaccine has killed 17 million people and that the injury-to-kill ratio is 34.4. He translates this to global totals of 602 million injured or killed, with approximately 700,000 Americans killed and 2.5 million injured in the United States, describing this as an unprecedented injury-to-kill ratio in medicine and military contexts. He asserts that deadly gene products should have been removed from the market and from Florida two years ago. Speaker 0 asks whether Latipo was alerted two years ago and whether he ignored the warnings. Speaker 1 confirms that Latipo, Ashley Moody, and DeSantis did not respond to communications over the past two years, but notes that Latipo is now taking some action. The conversation shifts to how people can respond health-wise. Speaker 1 contends that health care systems and governments are corrupt, claiming the government has spent trillions of dollars to capture healthcare systems and push dangerous narratives. He urges listeners to leave the conventional healthcare system, describing it as corrupt and implying that healthcare professionals are silenced or fired for speaking out. He promotes an alternative health approach through a parallel system and mentions an emergency medical kit intended to address multiple dangerous diseases and scenarios, asserting that timely access to certain drugs is limited through ordinary medical channels. Throughout, Speaker 1 emphasizes drastic distrust of mainstream medical and governmental institutions, urging viewers to seek alternative health solutions and to prepare for potential health crises. He repeats that the traditional healthcare system is compromised and advocates a shift toward a different healthcare approach and emergency preparedness, including access to medications outside standard channels.

A study of 325 autopsies found that in 73.9% of cases, the vaccine was either the direct cause of death or significantly contributed to it. The deaths occurred within one to two weeks after the last shot. Over 50% of these deaths had a cardiovascular cause. According to the speaker, these findings contradict the official narrative from the CDC and FDA, which maintains that there is no evidence linking deaths to the vaccine, except for a few acknowledged cases after the Janssen vaccine. The speaker claims this research represents the largest series of autopsies indicating patients died from the vaccine, challenging the government's position.

The speaker believes the population was primed to fear a barely studied vaccine, leading to a reckless drug rollout that would create another wave. They claim the vaccine has likely killed more people than the virus itself. Referencing "John's work," the speaker alleges the vaccine has caused at least 550,000 deaths in the United States. They suggest that reported COVID-19 deaths are inflated due to comorbidities and iatrogenic deaths, estimating the true virus death toll to be a tenth of what is claimed and far less than vaccine deaths.

The speaker claims that aligning deaths in the vaccine trial to intervention arms shows the vaccine was never life-saving. They allege that at the time of vaccine approval, there were more deaths in the vaccinated arm, but four deaths in the vaccinated arm within the data reporting period were not publicly announced. The speaker states that loved ones of two patients called the clinical site on the day of their death. They felt it was their ethical duty to inform the TGA and Ken Paxton about these hidden deaths. Publicly available data stated four deaths in the placebo arm and two in the vaccine arm. The speaker questions delays in reporting deaths, noting discrepancies in reporting rates between the vaccinated and placebo arms. The speaker wrote to Professor Tony Lawler of the TGA, who allegedly stated there were no hidden deaths and that no deaths in the vaccine arm were due to the vaccine. The speaker highlights that out of 38 total deaths in the six-month period (21 vaccinated, 17 placebo), only seven autopsies were done. Ten of the 21 deaths in the vaccinated arm were categorized as sudden adult death, with some individuals found dead shortly after vaccination.

Professor Lawler stated there were no breaches of good clinical practice and no hidden deaths in the Pfizer trial, also claiming that none of the deaths were attributed to the vaccine and the initial conclusions remain valid. In response, the speaker says they reanalyzed the data and found more deaths in the vaccinated arm (21) compared to the placebo arm (17). In the vaccinated arm, 10 deaths were categorized as sudden adult death or found dead, but only two had autopsies. One autopsy result is available and showed sudden cardiac death. The other is still pending. The speaker questions how it can be stated that deaths are not due to the vaccine when autopsy results are pending or not performed, especially in cases of sudden death. The speaker has repeatedly asked the TGA for the evidentiary basis for the statement that none of the deaths were due to the vaccine, but has not received a reply.

The discussion centers on COVID-19 misinformation and the roles of public figures and disinformation spreaders. Speaker 0 questions whether doctor Fauci is involved in a plot to kill millions. Speaker 1 says he cannot confirm involvement but asserts Fauci is not an innocent bystander and is aware of his actions; he doesn’t have the information to determine the extent of Fauci’s involvement. Speaker 2 identifies Dr. Dirashid Bhattar as one of the top spreaders of COVID-19 disinformation on social media, citing the Center for Countering Digital Hate, noting Bhattar once had more than a million followers. The dialogue includes several false or debunked claims attributed to Bhattar. Speaker 1 states that “More people are dying from the COVID vaccine than from COVID,” a claim Speaker 2 labels as not true, along with Bhattar’s assertion that “the Red Cross won’t accept blood from people who have had the COVID vaccine,” and his claim that “most who took COVID vaccines will be dead by 2025.” Bhattar’s broader theory is that COVID was a planned operation, politically motivated as part of a secret global plot to depopulate the earth. Speaker 0 asks if Speaker 1 believes the pandemic was planned; Speaker 1 responds affirmatively but says he has no idea who is behind it. Speaker 2 warns that praising or repeating Bhattar’s views is dangerous, noting Bhattar’s use of false or twisted information to distrust vaccines. The conversation touches on whether the COVID vaccine works; Speaker 1 says the vaccine is “very effective at what it was designed for perhaps,” but “not preventing death.” Speaker 0 challenges this, and Speaker 2 counters that Bhattar doubles down on vaccines being more dangerous than the virus, even in the face of data. A numerical claim is raised: “6,340,000,000 doses of this vaccine have been given,” with implications if the claim were true. Speaker 1 says vaccines are designed with ingredients published and that each vaccine appears to be different, though he concedes not being a vaccine developer. Speaker 2 notes Bhattar has been removed from Facebook and Instagram for disinformation but remains active on Twitter, Telegram, and his own site. Speaker 0 references a September 5 retweet of a photo suggesting AstraZeneca was made in 2018; Speaker 1 acknowledges it could have been fake and questions why Bhattar would share such content. A combined exchange discusses questioning agencies and the consequences of misinformation, with Speaker 0 accusing Bhattar of contributing to a mass misinformation problem and Speaker 1 acknowledging the existence of a large follower base that has received false information. The dialogue closes with a mention of a statement from North Carolina’s Board of Medicine prior to COVID, implying regulatory context or action.

The speaker claims that the COVID vaccine is toxic and could have caused the deaths of 17 million people worldwide. They argue that after each vaccine rollout, there is a temporary increase in all-cause mortality. This pattern is observed consistently across countries with sufficient data. Another speaker points out that normally, deaths decrease in the summer, but during the COVID vaccine campaign, there are spikes in mortality. This is especially evident in the southern hemisphere, where there should be a low death period. The speakers conclude that this is a new phenomenon and it occurs globally during booster rollouts.

Dr. McCulloch is asked to weigh in. Speaker 1 responds that he has presented at FDA advisory meetings and advised companies for decades on regulatory science. He states that when a product definitely results in death, and there are thousands of peer-reviewed papers on this, the COVID vaccines in some people sadly result in death—some on the very first day they take the shot. He argues that this must be a black box warning on the product immediately. He says he checked the package inserts for the currently available products, noting that the ones Senator Blumenthal wants to pursue, and what the Governor still wants to pursue, and what the FDA still wants administered, do not have the word “death” in the package insert. He asserts that Americans are not fairly informed. Speaker 0 asks whether Speaker 1 doubts that the COVID injection caused some deaths, and asks for his view on the numbers listed on VAERS (thirty-seven thousand, six hundred seven, per the prompt) and whether he has any science to back up his opinion. Speaker 1 replies that the best data are autopsies. He references the largest autopsy series published to date and notes that he is the senior author. He says they examined deaths after vaccination, had an adjudication committee and methods of arbitration to decide whether the vaccine caused death, and that in these autopsy cases, seventy-three point nine percent of individuals, it was determined that the vaccine was the cause of death. He mentions Holsher and colleagues, who are right behind him. Speaker 0 reiterates the FDA’s own laws, asking that this be included in the package insert, correct? Speaker 1 confirms, noting that in 2021 Dr. Carol Tocetta, working with the Daily Cloud, wrote about Peters’ marks in 2023 and asked, “where’s the black box warning? Where is it?”

Speaker 0 raises a concern about the vaccine, asking why every new paper or study seems to claim the vaccine is responsible for a new problem. The question posed is whether the vaccine is really responsible for every negative outcome discussed in the literature, noting rises in cancers and cognitive decline. The speaker questions the blanket attribution of all adverse effects to the vaccine. Speaker 1 responds by suggesting that the world’s population has been poisoned, stating that the protein was devised in the Chinese security lab in Wuhan, China. The speaker claims it is not a natural protein and is not supposed to be in the body. They assert that one can obtain spike protein from having the infection, which almost everyone has had, and from taking the vaccine. The speaker contends that “it’s almost as if we’ve all been poisoned.” They further claim that the spike protein stays in the body and causes disease, listing several specific adverse outcomes: heart disease, neurologic disease, autoimmunity, blood clots, and maybe even cancer.

A study of 325 autopsies found that in 73.9% of cases, the COVID-19 vaccine was either the direct cause of death or significantly contributed to it. The deaths occurred within one to two weeks after the last shot, and in over 50% of cases, the single cause of death was cardiovascular. This contradicts the official narrative from the CDC and FDA, which maintains that there is no evidence linking deaths to the vaccine, except for a few acknowledged cases after the Janssen vaccine. According to the speaker, these autopsy results are incontrovertible evidence that patients died from the vaccine, challenging the government's stance. The findings have gained significant attention online and on social media.

Speaker 0 states that death rates from the vaccine are extraordinarily high, claiming there have been more deaths in eight months than in all the billions of vaccines combined over the last thirty years for this one vaccine, totaling seventeen thousand recorded deaths in the United States, and asserts the death rate is much higher, “probably 40 times.” The speaker says the risk from the vaccine is completely untenable and that if people knew the truth they would not be taking this vaccine, and that the benefits after six months are apparently zero or even subzero. Speaker 0 references British data, claiming that people who are vaccinated are actually more likely in many age categories to get COVID than people who are unvaccinated, and asserts this outcome was predicted. The speaker alleges that Pfizer knew this would happen, citing their clinical trial, which they say was only six months long; at the end of that period, they claim twenty people died in the vaccine group and fourteen in the placebo group of all-cause mortality. They further claim there were five heart attacks in the vaccine group and only one in the placebo group, concluding that the chance of dying of a heart attack when vaccinated is five hundred percent greater than if one is unvaccinated. Speaker 0 contends that Pfizer knew they were going to kill a lot of people and proceeded to do so anyway. They insist that people need access to those studies to understand what they describe as deceptive, criminal deception that has supposedly been imposed upon them.