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In a video discussion, Stefan Gardner argues that forensic evidence, particularly dust samples, will effectively end conspiracy theories about who fired the shot that killed Charlie Kirk. He contends that dust from the rocks on the roof will leave a unique signature that will be found on the killer’s clothes, the gun, and the shoes, making shoe tread and soil samples crucial to the investigation. Gardner also notes that dust and soil will be found on items connected to the killer’s lay-down on the roof and asserts that gun residue on the killer’s hands would be transferred to the steering wheel, making the killer’s car a major part of the evidence. Responding to this, another speaker, James Lee, mocks the idea that dust matching should come before bullet-to-gun matching, calling the discussion about dust a clownish distraction. The conversation emphasizes the broader expectation that trial evidence will concede to the narrative that the killer’s DNA and shoe dust will identify the perpetrator, while acknowledging public skepticism about the FBI’s presentation of evidence and the timing of disclosures. The speakers contrast the claimed forensic signatures with perceived gaps in the FBI’s narrative, arguing that the investigation will eventually reveal the gun, DNA, and other physical proof at trial. They anticipate that the evidence will demonstrate that the shooter’s shoes and vehicle contain trace material consistent with the crime scene and that the gun was used, but they express doubt about official explanations and the timing or availability of certain evidence, including video footage. A central theme is a critique of the FBI and their handling of the case: the speakers challenge the transparency of the investigation, suggesting that video footage and CCTV evidence should be released to restore public trust. They reference the demand for CCTV footage showing key actions: Tyler Robinson on campus, climbing onto the roof, taking the shot, and then fleeing. They assert there is video evidence of the shooting and question why it has not been released, noting claims that 3,000 people witnessed the incident live and that there is video evidence of planning and movement around the campus, including entrances and parking structures. The dialogue also touches on inconsistencies alleged in material evidence, such as a 30-06 round discussion, with the group arguing that even the smallest round would not plausibly produce the described wound at the distances claimed. They insist that standard investigative procedures would include sharing footage and autopsy details, and they demand transparency on the autopsy, CCTV, and video evidence from the crime scene. Overall, the speakers insist that the investigation should present complete video footage and corroborating evidence to verify the narrative surrounding Tyler Robinson and the murder of Charlie Kirk, labeling the current presentation as “slop.”

The discussion centers on a group of notable figures surrounding the death of Charlie Kirk, a story that the speakers describe as growing increasingly crowded with unusual characters. Skyler Baird is introduced as one of the voices commenting on the event, and the conversation emphasizes a highly charged, almost surreal sequence of moments surrounding the tragedy. Skyler Baird recounts being perhaps 10 or 15 feet away when the incident occurred and suggests that viewers should watch the video for about ten seconds to catch what happened. The dialogue highlights an attempt to balance the tone by noting a focus on the positive and asking how to ensure that Charlie Kirk is remembered. The remark characterizes Skyler’s reaction to witnessing what is described as a “publicly executed” moment on September 10 as “quite a completely natural reaction,” framing it as a baseline of normality in an otherwise extraordinary and troubling narrative. The discussion then pivots to Skyler’s first contribution in the aftermath of the event. Skyler describes how he was right there and “kinda escorted” the person involved to a police officer. He clarifies that there was a cop nearby as well, but emphasizes his role in escorting the individual. The person who is escorted is described as saying, “I shot him. I shot him.” This claim becomes a focal point of the recounting, signaling a pivotal, sensational moment in the sequence of events. Attention then shifts to the figure known as old man George, identified as George Zinn. The narrative recalls that he stood up immediately after Charlie was shot and shouted, “shoot me, shoot me.” The speakers remind the audience that George Zinn had previously been characterized as a bad man with very dark proclivities, a framing that is referenced to underscore the dramatic shifts in how characters are perceived as the story unfolds. Skyler’s involvement is linked to these evolving perceptions, as he is described as having helped apprehend the decoy. The passage concludes with an admission that the sequence may be a matter of coincidence, expressed as “Coincidence, I suppose.” The speakers remark that the Internet promptly responds, with “the Internet doing its thing” and beginning to discuss and analyze the developing storyline.

The speaker challenges the official narrative about Tyler Robinson, a "22 year old kid" from a "mega Christian conservative law enforcement, dad's a cop family." He says Tyler "went to church because he turned himself in with some kind of a minister... along with a federal agent and his cop dad," who "I think we've learned since is actually not a cop." He notes "grandma says, I never once saw Tyler with a gun" and labels him "this tranny chasing, tranny loving," claiming he adopted a "radical liberal ideology" with "text messages" to a lover, though there were "no time stamps." The New York Times said "these were all reproduced" and "they were fake." The speaker says "this person who has very limited experience with firearms" and describes claims about the rifle scene, the "sixty second time frame," and questions about hiding evidence, ending with "we've got him."

Speaker 0 claims to have explosive, verifiable information that can publicly challenge the Zionist-occupied Trump administration to deny it if untrue. They urge Kash Patel to deny the claim if it is false, noting that the information is highly relevant. They credit Mel, who they say was early with the reporting, and say they had heard rumors but sought verifiable proof before going on the limb to assert authenticity. The core assertion is that there were 12 Israeli cell phones on the ground at Utah Valley University on the day Charlie Kirk was assassinated. The speaker clarifies that these were not VPNs routed through Israel, but 12 personal cell phone accounts opened in Israel. They claim these accounts were on the ground at Utah Valley University on September 10, the day Charlie Kirk was shot. The speaker states that the NSA knows this, Kash Patel knows this, and people in the current administration know that too, and are desperate to keep the information from the public. They question why the administration would want to suppress the information and why it would spook those at the top, suggesting that if there is nothing to hide, there would be nothing to hide. To anticipate counterarguments, the speaker plays devil’s advocate, noting that perhaps the cell phones belonged to exchange students or Israelis touring UVU that day, or that 12 American students had Israeli-based cell phones after returning from a summer abroad and wished to keep them running in Utah. They acknowledge they do not know the answer and express a desire to know, emphasizing the need to uncover why this information is being concealed and who those 12 Israeli cell phones belonged to. Throughout, the speaker refrains from evaluating the claims’ truth and simply presents the asserted facts and questions, urging accountability and transparency regarding the supposed Israeli cell phone presence and its connection to Charlie Kirk’s assassination. They close by reiterating their dislike of secrets, especially when they pertain to the public figure’s death.

Speaker 0 posits a theory that there were state actors or foreign intelligence agencies involved in the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and attributes this belief to Benny Johnson, describing Johnson as “the anarchist” who told him so, and invites viewers to “check this clip out.” Speaker 1 responds by acknowledging that there is reason for people to believe this could be a professional hit job. They reference John Salmond as an excellent reporter and Steven Crowder as having access to leaked information. They state, “there is some considerable evidence that there were state actors involved here,” and emphasize their close connection to Charlie Kirk and his team, asserting that this is what they wish to relay to the audience. Speaker 0 returns to challenge Benny, asking which specific element changed his mind and led him to conclude that Tyler Robinson is now not a lone actor, and that state-level or foreign intelligence agencies were not involved in the assassination. He enumerates several potential clues: a text message from Lance Twiggs, similarities between Tyler Robinson’s photo and the jail mugshot, the speed at which Tyler Robinson was able to sprint, and the “man of steel” autopsy claim that Charlie Kirk stopped a 30-06 with his neck. He then asks which of these factors was decisive in shifting Benny’s belief away from the involvement of state actors, and expresses intent to wait for Benny’s answer.

Speaker questions the FBI and media’s suggestion that 'this Tyler was some type of trans kid, lone shooter on a roof.' They claim they could give '150,000 reasons why Israel would benefit from Charlie Kirk being assassinated' and that 'the government in Israel ... would have fallen' if Kirk continued speaking. They say they can't give 'one reason why Tyler would' do it, even if he had a trans boyfriend. They reference 'Raw Alerts' and claim 'the dude running the Raw Alerts page is wearing a doggy mask and diapers and into trans fetish crap' and that he’s 'on our side fighting to expose corruption.' They argue the shooter 'didn't seem radicalized' with no posts on social media, asking what radicalized trans person do you know that didn't leave a memoir. They declare, 'this demonic state ... worship Satan, bomb children' and wonder how Israel would benefit; 'What about you guys?'

Speaker 1 argues there are several issues with Brian Harpel’s narrative. First, a records request found 20 911 calls related to Charlie Kirk’s death and the Utah Valley University shooting; none of the calls came from Brian Harpold or anyone on his security staff. 911 does not have any record of their call, which is presented as problem number one. Second, the question is who could have called 911 if the five men in the car describe their actions during the drive to the hospital. Brian Harpole had dropped his phone at UVU, and Frank Turick’s phone was stuck on FaceTime the whole time, according to him. The listener is invited to determine who possibly made the 911 call, when it was made, and why Harpole would claim a call was made if it did not occur. Speaker 2 recounts the drive to the hospital: they ran toward the security team, got into the SUV with Justin driving, Dan in the front with GPS, Rick to the left holding Charlie’s head, and Brian at Charlie’s feet. Charlie is described as so large that the door wouldn’t close, prompting commands to “go, go, go.” The group heads to the hospital, driving without lights or sirens, breaking intersections, and beeping the horn. An ambulance is described as approaching from the venue; they decide to continue. Justin is praised as a trained driver, using exact directions for turns. Rick and the speaker are in the back; Charlie’s left leg is down in the door, preventing the door from closing. The speaker is on their knees doing medical care with Rick and Charlie’s life in danger, shouting and performing CPR. Speaker 3 adds details: they open the back door, drag Charlie in, Justin drives 60–100 mph, Charlie’s tallness prevents the door from closing, and they continue driving. The speaker describes continuing medical care in the car, including stopping to perform CPR, and the door not closing because of Charlie’s size. They reach the hospital, put Charlie on a gurney, and wheel him inside. The staff are described as unaware of their arrival, since they had called 911 but arrived in bloodied condition. The speaker notes his phone came out during unloading, and that he had been FaceTiming his wife and later Spencer during the event. He explains that he left the phone in his back pocket once the shooting occurred. Speaker 1 concludes: Turick’s phone was stuck on FaceTime and did not make any calls; Rick Cutler was praying and cradling Charlie’s head, and holding Harpole to keep him from flying out of the SUV while tending to Charlie. Brian Harpole did not make any call and did not use his own phone since it was left at UVU. Justin, the driver, drove aggressively through intersections, while Dan Flood directed from the passenger seat. The question remains whether any 911 calls were made during the high-speed conveyance, given 911 calls last 30 seconds to 2 minutes, and whether anyone had a free moment to place a call. The speaker questions if a 911 call was made at all, and why Harpole would misremember a 911 call if none occurred. The hospital’s lack of notification suggests the 911 call may not have been successful, or may not have been made, and the speaker commits to continuing the investigation, asking for input on what happened to the missing 911 call.

The speaker questions the FBI/media portrayal of Tyler as a "trans kid, lone shooter on a roof." He says he could give "150,000 reasons why Israel would benefit from Charlie Kirk being assassinated," and argues "the current government in Israel that is blackmailing the most powerful government in the world would have fallen" if Kirk had continued speaking as he was. He says he can't give you one reason why Tyler would; notes "we know nothing really about this boyfriend" and that "Raw Alerts" is run by someone "wearing a doggy mask and diapers" who is "on our side fighting to expose corruption" and not "out there with a rifle." He notes 'no posts on social media about it' and asks, "What radicalized trans person do you know that didn't leave a memoir," wondering if Tyler would have "engraving this stuff on-site," concluding "This stuff's not adding up to me."

Donors give money to TP USA. TP USA loans 350,000 of that into a company Charlie owned. That company uses it to buy a premium on a jumbo life insurance policy on Charlie's life. Once he dies, TP USA recoups its loan. The leftover millions go to whoever Charlie named his private beneficiaries. The payout was somewhere around 20 to 50,000,000 upon his death. The nonprofit pays the premiums now. The family gets paid later. The nonprofit merely recoups its loan. And often, the insured doesn't pay a dime, so the donor money does. The payout only triggers when the insured passes away. In short, charity money basically becomes a death benefit jackpot for private beneficiaries. The question is who controls the structure. The policy isn't owned by TPUSA. It's owned by a shell company called GGLF twenty twenty three LLC, owned by Charlie Kirk. So the main thing is they didn't run this through TP USA's books. They tucked it away in a Wyoming shell where nobody can easily see who benefits. All this comes from TP USA's own publicly available form 990. So it's a mailbox. All of these billionaires do this. Trump does this. Epstein did this. They use a trust, and smart people actually do this to keep the government's hands off of your hard earned money. A lot of people do. Yep. And it's legal. Like I said, you just search it up. This is just their paperwork. It's filed under oath. The shell company formed in May 2023, and that became public only recently, and then Charlie was assassinated. These people are covering up the truth behind what happened on September 10. And I've heard a lot of people saying, well, I don't believe that Charlie Kirk is dead. I believe that he's secretly alive somewhere. That's what it's sounding like. And until we see how these were set up, who's profiting from this, then we won't know. And Erica Kirk can absolutely show us, but they don't seem like they wanna show us anything. It's gonna continue to happen where people are gonna speculate, well, is Charlie Kirk privately sitting on an island somewhere with 20 to 50,000,000 and we don't see the kids because they're with him? Right. People are gonna continue to say that. If these people do not become transparent and start saying the truth, then how can they fault anyone for speculating? Because what we do know is that they're lying. So, of course, we're going to do our research. We're going to look into things. We're going to investigate. We're going to come to our own relevant conclusions. And if they are right or wrong or indifferent, we won't we'll never know because these people won't just tell us the truth because they are liars and frauds, they're the profiteers of Charlie's death on September 10.

The speaker asserts that Erica Kirk is not a grieving widow but a psychopath, contending there was a plan to hijack Charlie Kirk’s organization and that Erica was part of it. They claim Erica’s actions are highly suspicious: she delivers multiple speeches and participates in hours-long interviews while on a book tour, all while supposedly grieving, and they question where Charlie and Erica’s children are given she appears to be living it up on stage with fireworks. They allege she and Charlie did multiple interviews together discussing family roles and that the mother’s role in the home was vital, yet she suddenly becomes a CEO and nonstop public figure “overnight,” contradicting prior statements about Erica’s primary role at home. The speaker calls this a test of intelligence and dismisses the possibility of genuine intent. A central sign cited is Ben Shapiro’s appearance as the opening speaker at Amfest, despite not being on Charlie’s published list of Amfest speakers. The speaker notes that Shapiro speaks after Erica and uses the platform to bash Charlie’s close friends, including Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens, accusing Shapiro of hostility and implying ulterior motives. They mention Shapiro’s last podcast with Carlson involved controversial questions about a country, and they reference Fox News and other media figures as complicit, alleging they’re paid off by that country and are “singing along.” The speaker highlights that Turning Point USA raised $100,000,000 and frames the organization as deceptive, arguing that people are being fooled and should wake up. They urge warning peers—siblings, cousins, friends—about Turning Point at colleges and high schools, suggesting people should withdraw support and avoid recruitment. The claim is made that Erica Kirk’s ex-boyfriend, Cabot Phillips, now speaks on college visits on behalf of Charlie, despite Erica claiming she had dated nobody for five years before Charlie. Photos allegedly show Erica with Cabot on dates, and Cabot is described as suddenly joining Turning Point USA’s “debate me” movement. Overall, the speaker contends that Turning Point USA has been hijacked, that Erica Kirk and Charlie Kirk are involved in a calculated scheme, and that the leadership has been replaced or compromised, including the “killing” of their CEO. They urge people to stop supporting the organization and to inform others who might be recruited by it, insisting that common sense should prevail.

Speaker 0 describes Skyler as having given about four different interviews online right after the Charlie Kirk assassination. She notes he is seen with glasses on top of his head, front row at the scene, and somehow sits on the Main Floor at the Charlie Kirk Memorial during the memorial service. She asks, “Who is this guy? How is this possible? And why are his interviews so odd?” She points out that on the day of the shooting Skyler was in the front row and near a bodyguard. Speaker 1 and Speaker 2 recount Skyler’s position: “Maybe 10 or 15 feet away when it happened. Close as he could.” They describe Skyler with sunglasses on his head, and a Charlie Kirk bodyguard in front of him, with Skyler off to the side in the corner when Charlie began taking questions. They note the bodyguard is directly in front of Charlie, Skyler to the side, matching Skyler’s own account of being “front row, Noel in front of him,” with a bodyguard to his left and one in front of him. They say Skyler was “front row and center.” Speaker 0 then says Skyler later appeared sitting on the Main Floor at the Charlie Kirk Memorial, with a floor pass for a press conference, literally “maybe 10 or so rows from the front of the stage.” They claim this is documented on Skyler’s Facebook page. They mention Skyler’s Facebook shows two, perhaps “two point, I think, k” followings, with from 2018 to 02/2025 only about seven posts and about 10 pictures, implying a sparse content profile for a “digital creator.” Speaker 3 describes Skyler’s earlier claim about getting into the stadium: “Just made it to the stadium. There is an unlimited amount of security, Secret service, military, police, empty. Steel barricades all around. … There’s been people waiting in line since 05:30 in the morning.” He says Skyler went past multiple security layers to obtain a media badge and a floor pass, and then ended up on the Main Floor “a few rows back to the Charlie Kirk Memorial.” The speakers question how he could gain access and yet appear to be late, then have a media pass and seating positions. Speaker 4 adds, “So, again, why go into detail acting as if you were late, you didn’t even know you were gonna get in, yet somehow you end up with a passing all these checkpoints to get a media pass around your deck, end up on the First, you know, Main Floor just a few rows back to the Charlie Kirk Memorial that day. It’s just like it’s a big act, a big show that this guy's putting on. It’s like he was handpicked to do all these interviews. He was handpicked to have front row that day because he was up, you know, farther up in the crowd before Charlie got there.” Speaker 4 closes with a segment featuring a clip of another person describing a mythic, imagery-laden interpretation: “An indecision night. I photoshopped in my mind. I photoshopped the blood away. I photoshopped Charlie, sat him back up, put his smile back on, and rewound the tape… I rewound the bullet going back up into the rifle. I stuck a flower inside the rifle.”

The speaker challenges the credibility of the narrative about Charlie Kirk’s incident and points to security footage to raise questions. They reference a security detail member wearing “meta AI shades” who appears to be filming. According to the speaker, when Charlie is hit, the security person turns on the shades, films, and then, as chaos unfolds with a crowd rushing the stage, carries out a handoff. The speaker describes a handoff occurring to a gentleman in a shirt. They claim that this is the moment when someone takes something off Charlie and hands it to the man in the black shirt, who then runs off. The speaker asserts that the item being handed off is the “laugh mic” that allegedly contained an explosive device, implying that the security detail’s first priority was to remove the suspicious object from Charlie and pass it to the other person rather than ensuring Charlie’s safety. The speaker emphasizes that the security detail “knew exactly what to do” and questions how the person receiving the item would know what to do in such chaotic moments, suggesting coordinated movement. They argue that the security actions undermine the official narrative about Charlie Kirk and Tyler Robinson, indicating that the FBI should be questioned and accountability demanded from the FBI and this administration. In summary, the speaker uses the footage to claim that the security team’s behavior—specifically the meta AI shades operator filming, the rapid handoff of an object from Charlie to a man in black, and the subsequent actions—casts doubt on the established story and points to potential coordination and a failure to prioritize Charlie’s immediate safety. The call is for greater scrutiny and accountability of the FBI and the administration.

The segment analyzes questions about an alleged text-message exchange between Tyler Robinson and his boyfriend regarding the Charlie Kirk shooting, presenting an “official transcript” of messages and highlighting apparent inconsistencies. Key lines cited include: "Robinson, drop what you are doing and look under my keyboard." "I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I'm going to take it." "I am still okay, my love, but I'm stuck in Orem for a little longer yet. Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I gotta grab my rifle still." "I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age." "Robinson, I am. I'm sorry." "If I'm able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence." "Remember how I was engraving bullets?" "Delete this exchange." The piece notes questions about timelines, absence of time stamps, and camera footage, and quotes: "I'm gonna turn myself in willingly." "Since Trump got into office, my dad has been pretty diehard MAGA." It concludes that online observers question the narrative and possible discrepancies with authorities’ statements.

- "Robinson didn't kill Charlie Kirk." - "Charlie Kirk's Israeli security detail killed Charlie Kirk and Charlie Kirk's assassin is caught on tape." - "That is the explosion from Charlie Kirk's lavalier lapel mic." - "First we had exploding pagers, now we have exploding mics." - "That proves that all of the activity came from the mic that Charlie Kirk was wearing." - "That's the assassin." - "This guy, brown shirt guy, he's the assassin." - "He pushes the detonator." - "We have video now from destiny that shows the handoff of this remote detonator." - "Tyler Robinson did not kill Charlie Kirk." - "If you want security, the Israelis know what they're doing." - "But in no way did that trigger man, that assassin, the brown shirt with the sunglasses act alone."

The speaker recounts a recent real-life confrontation with Erica Kirk at church following Charlie’s death, describing her behavior as performative both in person and on TV. They assert that Kirk’s appearance in the front row with her entourage, arriving late and dabbing her eyes when she returns from communion, is not for security reasons and that the church layout would actually allow only about 5% of the congregation to see her from a closer exit, making the front-row spectacle unnecessary and theatrical. They question whose idea it was to pursue a media tour, suggesting that the ongoing coverage has done nothing but confirm to those who doubted Kirk that she was not genuine. The speaker claims that conservative leaders who defend Kirk have leveraged Charlie’s death, turning his public death—described as a spectacle seen by thousands—into their own opportunity to promote their brands, podcasts, and social media. They also criticize those who are not famous but defend Erica, referencing a recent appearance on a show where she labeled the situation a “sickness of the mind.” The speaker condemns what they label as gaslighting tactics used by control-based groups, cults, and fundamentalist religions, arguing that such groups undermine questioning of authority and the prevailing narrative. According to the speaker, these tactics aim to undermine the audience’s sanity, minds, and their relationships with Jesus. They insist that some individuals recognize these dynamics and describe them as tactics of manipulation, calling them disgusting. The overall plea is for truth and a reaffirmation of faith, asserting a need for God in order to discern and uphold the truth in the face of perceived manipulation.

The speaker explains that in the three months since Charlie Kirk’s murder, they have largely refrained from commenting publicly on the investigation. They say this is not due to lack of care or affection for Charlie, whom they knew well since his teenage years, but because they feel they don’t know more than others and want to avoid missteps given their personal connections to those involved. They name Candace Owens, Blake Neff, and Erica Kirk as people they know well and respect, and emphasize a desire to honor Charlie’s memory by seeking justice without criticizing others’ motives when people are sincerely pursuing the truth. They recount a three-hour conversation with Theo Vaughan during which the topic of Charlie Kirk’s case arose. They state they told Vaughan they do not trust the FBI, clarifying that this statement was not an accusation that the FBI is involved in Charlie’s assassination, and they did not intend to imply such. They acknowledge they like Dan Bongino and Cash Patel and do not believe they would intentionally cover up a murder, but they argue that the FBI, being at the top of the organization, is part of a large bureaucracy where some parts act independently from leadership. Therefore, liking individuals within the organization does not equate to trusting the FBI as a whole. The speaker asserts that, as a lesson of the 2024 election, many of the nation’s largest systems and institutions have rot and require reform. They contend that January 6 was a setup and that the FBI was key to that setup, stating it remains unclear whether everyone involved has been fired or punished. They insist that no American is under moral obligation to believe everything the government tells them, especially institutions with a documented history of wrongdoing, such as the FBI’s alleged crimes, manufacturing crimes, and distorting justice. They emphasize that the job of the FBI is to find out what happened, tell the public how they arrived at conclusions, and convince the public of the outcomes, rather than hiding behind national security or confidential sources. The speaker concludes by committing to avoid talking about topics they do not understand, to state things only as they know them, and to remain skeptical. They stress a duty to skepticism and to seek truth and justice without being swayed by tone or certainty from government officials. They reiterate love for Charlie and a wish for justice, while urging others to maintain scrutiny toward the investigation.

The speaker asserts: "starts within five seconds, maybe fifteen seconds tops of Charlie Kirk being assassinated" and "This is the CCTV footage we want." He asks, "why is it that you will not or you are refusing to release this video right here of fifteen seconds prior to Charlie Kirk or prior to what you did release?" He adds, "This dude is sprinting off the roof." He continues, "we went around the campus, and there's another camera." He notes there is "CCTV footage that literally shows the would have shown Tyler shooting at Charlie because the camera is literally right behind Charlie Kirk," and asks why that CCTV footage isn't released. He also asks, "What are on these CCTV cameras? Was there another shooter farther back that you don't wanna show us?" Finally, he asks, "What is this? This literally looks like a camera, a CCTV camera completely removed from the side of the building. Care to comment?"

Speaker 0 asserts openness to many topics but not to the theory that Tyler Robinson didn’t kill Charlie, and questions who else was involved or if there were other voices in the row. They state the evidence in the case is incredibly watertight and express a desire to focus on broader issues rather than debating that point. They call attention to the rise of left-wing violence, mental health illness in the country, and young people on the progressive side turning to Mangioneism and assassination culture, suggesting they can solve political disputes by justifying violence. They accuse the current discussion of veering into rabbit trails and acknowledge good-faith questions, while noting that they’ve been lied to. They emphasize the harm caused to their team, staff, and movement by the issue, describing it as carnage, and express a wish not to see more of that and to move through the situation sooner rather than later.

The speakers recount the moments surrounding Charlie Kirk being shot and highlight the behavior of Mikey McCoy, Charlie Kelley’s chief of staff. The account begins with a father describing his son’s roles: Justin is the chief financial officer, and Mikey is the chief of staff. He recalls the instant Charlie was shot: “Charlie’s been shot in the neck. Please call every pastor and pray.” He notes that Charlie was directing at the time, with blood all over him. Speaker 1 focuses on Mikey’s actions during the incident. He notes that Mikey is still there, phone in hand, texting, talking, then putting the phone away. He points to the person Charlie is arguing with, Hunter Kozak, and emphasizes what the video shows about Mikey: he seems to see Charlie get hit and “simply walks away.” Mikey later reappears on the other side of the tent, not running but walking. The account questions whether Mikey might be on the phone, though it isn’t certain. Security guards are described as doing their part, while Mikey is shown “walking, like getting far away from everything.” The narrative suggests Mikey turned his back on the incident after it happened. Speaker 2 names Mikey McCoy, Charlie Kirk’s chief of staff and friend, describing what he did or did not do during the morning. The speaker asserts that Mikey “spent the whole morning dutifully and loyally by Charlie’s side filming everything,” but then “abandoned Charlie in the very instant Charlie was killed.” The key questions posed are whether Charlie was actually dead, whether he needed help, and whether Mikey rushed to aid him or instead got his camera out. The speaker concludes that, according to the account, “Mikey McCoy didn't care about Charlie Kirk at all and just left him behind.” In summary, the described sequence presents Mikey McCoy as being present with Charlie prior to the shooting, then engaging in texting and moving away, appearing on the far side of the tent, and ultimately turning his back on Charlie after the incident, with the claim that he abandoned him as Charlie passed. The recounting is reinforced by a second speaker who reiterates that Mikey did not assist Charlie and appeared to prioritize other actions over Charlie’s welfare.

Speaker questions the FBI and mainstream media portrayal of Tyler as a trans kid, lone shooter on a roof, saying he "could probably give you a 150,000 reasons why Israel would benefit from Charlie Kirk being assassinated" but "I can't give you one why Tyler would." He questions the boyfriend angle, noting "we know nothing really about this boyfriend" and that even if he was trans, he mentions "doggy, diddy little style freak pop parties." He cites Raw Alerts, whose operator is "wearing a doggy mask and diapers and into this trans fetish crap." He adds, "This kid didn't seem radicalized. He didn't show any signs of it. There were no posts on social media about it." He asks viewers to comment and argues it’s "mathematically probably impossible for Israel" to be uninvolved, calling it a "demonic state" that "worship Satan" and "bomb children" and "murder journalists." "What about you guys?"

So you know the kid who was asking Charlie Kirk a question when Charlie got shot? Remember him? Everyone's feeling bad for him? Yeah. There's video footage of him practicing his reaction before it happened. So when Charlie got shot, you know, his reaction was to put his hands on his head, look shocked, shake a little bit. Yeah. He was doing that. He was practicing that in the crowd, and here's the freaking video. How are you gonna deny what you just saw there? How? And you already know what question, you know, he was asking Charlie. Right? Remember that? This just confirms what a lot of us have been thinking and what we all think actually happened. Sick.

The speaker explains that in the three months since Charlie Kirk was murdered, they have avoided public commentary on the murder investigation out of care for Charlie and respect for the people involved, many of whom they know personally and admire. They emphasize that their goal is truth and justice, and they would not criticize anyone sincerely trying to uncover what happened, recognizing that good motives can lead to wrong conclusions. They recount a three-hour conversation with Theo Vaughan that touched on distrust of the FBI. They clarify this did not mean they accused anyone of involvement in Charlie Kirk’s murder, but it gave them the chance to state that they do not trust the FBI. They distinguish personal trust in individuals (e.g., Dan Bongino, whom they like, and Cash Patel) from trust in the FBI as an institution, noting that parts of the FBI can act independently within a large bureaucracy, separate from leadership. The speaker argues that distrust is not about a general attack on political leadership but about systemic issues. They reference the 2024 election as evidence that major institutions may be corrupt or rot, and they point to January 6 as, in their view, a setup in which the FBI played a key role. They question whether everyone involved in that setup has faced consequences. They insist that no American is morally obligated to believe everything the government says, especially given a history of the FBI's alleged crimes, illicit participation in politics, manufacturing crimes, or distorting justice—claims they assert as part of the FBI’s track record, which, in their view, is counter to its mission to obtain justice through facts and then explain its conclusions. They argue that it is not enough to have government officials declare the truth; the public has the right or obligation to demand proof. A central concern is that the investigation into Charlie Kirk’s murder could be overshadowed by debates about what happened, allowing the FBI to go unchallenged or unaccountable. The speaker asserts that the FBI should tell, show, and convince the public about what happened, rather than hiding behind national security or confidential sources. Ultimately, they commit to avoiding statements they don’t understand, to staying out of the case, but to maintaining love for Charlie and a desire for justice, while urging others to remain skeptical. They conclude that skepticism is a duty and not something to be ashamed of.

Investigators identified an individual as the roommate of Robinson, who stated that his roommate referring to Robinson made a joke on Discord. He opened it and showed several messages to investigators and allowed investigators to take photos of the screen as each message was shown by Robinson's roommate. These photos consisted of various messages, including content of messages between the phone contact name Tyler with an emoji icon and Robinson's roommate's device. The content of these messages included messages affiliated with the contact Tyler stating a need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point. Discord said: "In a statement to NBC News, a Discord spokesperson said the company did identify an account belonging to the suspect, but said the messages mentioned in the news conference were not believed to have been sent on Discord." "The messages referenced in recent reporting about planning details do not appear to be Discord messages." These were communications between the roommate and a friend after the shooting, where the roommate was recounting the contents of a note the suspect had left elsewhere; "The messages aren't between Tyler, the alleged shooter, and his roommate." They were about Tyler, not from him. This seems to contradict the governor's claims; "The governor never mentioned that these communications were between the roommate and another person." The governor started by saying the roommate told the FBI that Tyler sent him a joke, and then goes on to detail how Tyler allegedly told the roommate to watch over the area where the gun was placed. But asking someone to watch the area where the gun was placed doesn't sound like a joke. It sounds like a deliberate order to assist with the cover up of an assassination. And now, the shooter's own grandmother says the FBI have the wrong man: "There is no way Robinson could be involved. ... I don't think he ever shot a gun to tell you the truth, ... He doesn't own any guns." Up until this point, we haven't heard from the father or any other family members. This raises a very serious issue because right now there are two pieces of evidence that the FBI and the governor of Utah is presenting to the public as evidence that Tyler is the shooter. One is that his father convinced Tyler to turn himself in, and two, the supposed Discord messages. With the Discord messages already being called into question, and since we haven't heard from his father, we shouldn't consider this case closed.

The speaker begins by saying they want to move on and express that they cannot yet figure out where the rescue is. They then shift to a scene they describe as beautiful, remarking on something they’re observing: “Wow. Look at that. Beautiful. Look at that.” The central claim concerns Mikey McCoy, identified as Charlie Kirk’s chief of staff and a friend who reportedly spent the entire morning dutifully and loyally by Charlie’s side, filming everything. According to the speaker, Mikey abandoned Charlie in the very instant Charlie was killed. The speaker questions the sequence of events: Was Charlie actually dead? Did he need help? The speaker then interrogates Mikey’s actions or inactions in that moment: Did Mikey rush to Charlie’s aid, or did he instead reach for his phone camera? The speaker notes that there was “Nothing. All of a sudden, Mikey McCoy didn’t care about Charlie Kirk at all and just left him behind.” The passage ends with a puzzled inquiry: “What is going on?” The overall tension centers on the abrupt shift from loyal presence and filming to abandonment at the moment of Charlie’s supposed death, prompting questions about the true sequence of events and Mikey’s priorities in that instant.

Speaker 0 raises a question about the propriety of the FBI’s approach to the case, asking if the prosecution is briefing Erica Kirk on the case against Tyler Robinson and whether she’s considered a witness. He notes she wasn’t at certain events, such as being with her husband, and questions if she’s really being briefed and if that’s right. He adds that the defense wants to ban cameras in the courtroom and asks for thoughts on that. Speaker 1 responds by recounting the presence of cameras: there were cameras all over her husband when he was murdered, cameras all over her friends and family mourning, and cameras all over her, analyzing her every move, smile, and tear. She argues they deserve to have cameras in the courtroom and to be transparent, saying there’s nothing to hide because she’s seen what the case is built on. She asserts that everyone should see what true evil is, noting this could impact a generation and generations to come.