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In August 2014, Bill Thompson made an admission that the CDC had lied and hidden the fact that the MMR vaccine was associated with autism. The account describes the interaction as unfolding “like a spy movie,” leading the narrator to secretly record phone conversations with doctor William Thompson. The recordings were made in Oregon because it is illegal to secretly record phone conversations in California. Doctor Thompson allegedly freely admitted that he had covered it up and that his associates at the CDC had also covered it up. Doctor William Thompson also stated that “Thimerosal causes autism like features,” and said that he was completely ashamed of what he did. He described that “the higher ups wanted to do certain things,” and that he went along with it. He named Colleen as the center director, Frank as the director of immunization safety, and Marshall as the branch chief, saying they were still all much more senior than him. Another claim stated that Doctor Julie Gerberding was the head of the CDC at the time, and that she later went on to a lucrative career at Merck, a manufacturer of the MMR vaccine. The transcript ends with an expression of disbelief at what was done, saying, “I cannot believe we did what we did, but we did.”

Robert Kennedy Junior fired the advisory committee on immunization practices. A video shows the committee discussing a new hepatitis B vaccine and the potential for administering it simultaneously with other adjuvanted vaccines. One member states there is "no data" to support a recommendation, and another says that mixing multiple adjuvanted vaccines is not done in Europe. Despite this, the committee votes unanimously to support the recommendation. A committee member expresses concern about a "myocardial infarction signal," noting the risk of acute myocardial infarction in the trial was thought to be seven times greater with the new vaccine. The speaker claims the FDA rubber-stamped the vaccine knowing it causes seven times the amount of heart attacks and was never tested for simultaneous administration with other vaccines, yet the vote was unanimous. The speaker asserts Dynavax celebrated the unanimous recommendation, leaving doctors blind to the risks and turning patients into a test group.

The Institute of Medicine reported in 2011 that over 150 vaccine-related injuries have not been studied, and the CDC has repeatedly been ordered to conduct these studies but has refused. The pharmaceutical companies producing vaccines, such as Merck, Sanofi, Glaxo, and Pfizer, have faced over $35 billion in penalties for misconduct. Trust in these companies is misplaced without solid scientific evidence. While vaccines should remain available for those who choose them, there is a need for rigorous scientific scrutiny. The FDA has misled the public in the past, as seen with Vioxx and opioids, raising concerns about their credibility regarding vaccine safety. The focus should be on ensuring public health, not pharmaceutical profits.

The speaker says RFK Jr. aims to alter the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. The law firm he hired specializes in this program, established in 1986 and in effect by 1988. He will claim the CDC hid evidence about aluminum adjuvants and try to add autism, eczema, or asthma to the compensable list, or remove vaccines from the program, leaving them to civil litigation. He reportedly wants to eliminate vaccines, arguing we traded infectious diseases for chronic diseases. He says chronic disease incidence in children is one in thirty two, implying vaccines cause autism, despite studies. At a confirmation hearing, Cassidy pressed him to admit vaccines don’t cause autism; he cited Mawson and colleagues claiming Florida Medicaid children were more likely to develop autism after vaccination; the paper was not published, not peer reviewed, and was flawed. This is the beginning; as HHS Secretary he could end vaccine manufacturing.

Congress investigated ACIP over two decades ago, finding conflicts of interest. In 2002/2003, four of five people who added the rotavirus vaccine had direct financial interest; one voted the rotavirus vaccine onto the schedule and sold his rotavirus vaccine for $186 million. Congress found that 97% of ACIP members had undisclosed conflicts. According to the speaker, a critical issue is adding new vaccines without pre-licensing safety studies. In 1986, there were 11 vaccines on the schedule; now, children must take 69 to 92 vaccines to stay in school in some states, none of which have been safety tested in pre-licensing placebo-controlled trials. The speaker states that the people in charge are now gone, and new, credentialed scientists and physicians will be brought onto the ACIP panel to do evidence-based medicine and make objective public health determinations based on science.

Changes to ACIP are occurring after over two decades of congressional investigation. In 2002/2003, a government oversight committee found conflicts of interest, citing that four out of five people who added the rotavirus vaccine to the schedule had direct financial interest in it. One individual voted the rotavirus vaccine onto the schedule and then sold his rotavirus vaccine in development for $186 million. That year, Congress stated that 97% of ACIP members had undisclosed conflicts. The speaker claims that adding new products to the schedule without pre-licensing safety studies is malpractice. In 1986, there were 11 vaccines on the schedule, but now children must take between 69 and 92 vaccines to stay in school in some states, and none have been safety tested in prelicensing placebo-controlled trials. The speaker states that the people in charge are now gone, and new credentialed scientists and physicians will be brought onto the ACIP panel to do evidence-based medicine and follow the science.

Bill Gates and the WHO have promoted the DTP vaccine, but the speaker claims it was withdrawn in the 1980s in the US due to causing brain damage, according to an NIH/UCLA study, and replaced with a safer but less effective DTaP vaccine. The speaker alleges that while essentially banned for white children worldwide, Gates and the WHO gave it to African and Asian children. The Danish government requested a study proving the vaccine saved lives, but Gates was allegedly unable to provide one. A Danish study in Africa, examining 30 years of vaccination records, purportedly found that girls who received the DTP vaccine were 10 times more likely to die than unvaccinated children, not from the targeted diseases, but from conditions like anemia, bilharzia, malaria, dysentery, and pneumonia. The speaker concludes that the vaccine was killing more people than the diseases it was intended to prevent. The speaker asserts this issue stems from a lack of placebo-controlled trials in vaccinology.

Vaccine recommendations typically come from the Advisory Committee of Immunization Practices (an outside consulting committee at CDC) and VRBPAC (within FDA), which recommends vaccine licensure. These committees only adopted evidence-based medicine about twelve years ago. The speaker states that during their administration, they want safety studies prior to vaccine licensure and recommendation. They claim vaccines are exempt from pre-licensing safety testing, and the COVID vaccine was the only one tested in a full placebo trial. They assert that the other 76 shots children receive between birth and 18 have not been safety tested against a placebo, meaning the risk profile is not understood. The speaker intends to remedy this.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, Every Child by Two, and pediatrician Dr. Paul Offit are trusted voices in vaccine defense, but CBS News found they have financial ties to the vaccine industry. The vaccine industry gives millions to the Academy of Pediatrics for various purposes, but the totals are kept secret. Wyeth gave the Academy $342,000 for a community grant program, and Merck contributed $433,000 the same year the Academy endorsed Merck's HPV vaccine. Sanofi Aventis, a maker of 17 vaccines, is also a top donor. Every Child by Two admits to taking money from the vaccine industry, but wouldn't disclose the amount. An official from Wyeth and a paid adviser to big pharmaceutical clients have been listed as the group's treasurers. Dr. Offit holds a $1.5 million research chair funded by Merck and holds the patent on an anti-diarrhea vaccine he developed with Merck. Future royalties for the vaccine were sold for $182 million. The American Academy of Pediatrics, Every Child by Two and Doctor. Offit wouldn't agree to interviews, but all told CBS they're upfront about the money they receive and it doesn't sway their opinions.

Four companies, Pfizer, Merck, Blackstone, and Sanofi, are responsible for producing all 72 vaccines. However, these companies have a history of criminal activity, collectively paying $35 billion in fines for falsifying science, defrauding regulators, lying to doctors, and causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. For instance, Merck's product, Vioxx, was sold as a headache pill but caused heart attacks and killed around 120,500 Americans. Despite this, they only paid fines and faced no jail time. It is hard to believe that these companies, known for lying and cheating, are honest when it comes to vaccines. The vaccine industry is immune to lawsuits, making it the perfect place for these companies to avoid consequences.

The speaker states that a board was fired for being a "sock puppet" for the industry it regulated. In 2002, a government oversight committee held hearings about the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), finding that 97% of its members had undisclosed conflicts of interest. As an example, the speaker claims that when the ACIP approved the rotavirus vaccine, four of the five members had direct financial interests in it. One member, Paul Offit, allegedly voted to add the rotavirus vaccine to the schedule while he had a rotavirus vaccine in development. The approved vaccine was withdrawn due to causing intussusception. Offit's vaccine then replaced it. The speaker claims that Offit and his business partners sold that vaccine to Merck for $186 million.

The speaker claims that when the rotavirus vaccine was approved, four out of five board members had direct financial interests in it, working for the companies that made the vaccine or receiving grants to do clinical trials on it. One board member, Paul Offit, allegedly voted to add the rotavirus vaccine to the schedule while he had a rotavirus vaccine in development. The speaker says that because it's now on the schedule, his developing vaccine is virtually guaranteed to get on the schedule. The rotavirus vaccine that Offit voted on was withdrawn within a year because it was causing intussusception in kids. Offit's vaccine then replaced it. The speaker states that Offit and his business partners sold that vaccine to Merck for $186,000,000. The speaker says that Offit told Newsweek that he won the lottery and that it's been said of him that he voted himself rich.

Speaker 0 describes a study on the hepatitis B vaccine, stating it is loaded with mercury during the first thirty days of life and comparing infants who received it in that period to those who did not or who received it later. He claims that the relative risk of smoking a pack a day for twenty years leading to lung cancer is ten, with a figure of 11.35, and attributes this to Thimerosal. Speaker 1 asks if the claim is about Thimerosal, and Speaker 0 confirms, then recounts a story that motivated his involvement: a “secret meeting” held to avoid on-campus exposure to freedom of information requests. The meeting occurred at Simpson Wood, a remote Methodist retreat center on the Chattahoochee River in Norcross, Georgia. Over two days, 52 attendees included major vaccine companies, regulatory agencies (WHO, CDC, FDA, NIH, HHS), and leaders in academic vaccinology. Megan recorded the first day, and Speaker 0 says he obtained the transcripts in 2005, calling them horrific. He invites listeners to read them on the Children’s Health Events site to judge for themselves, arguing the transcripts reveal “panjarums of the American healthcare system” and that regulators claimed the science was bulletproof while suggesting vaccines cause autism. Speaker 1 notes that Speaker 0 has previously claimed the conference revealed that vaccines cause autism and that data should be buried, referencing a January 2011 Rolling Stone article and a Salon piece that later withdrew the article. He mentions an eighteen-month US Senate committee investigation that found allegations of CDC misconduct unsubstantiated and concluded there was no cover-up. Speaker 0 clarifies it was a two-year committee hearing led by Senator Burton at the Governmental Oversight Committee, and asserts that vaccines do cause autism, while encouraging listeners to research the science themselves rather than trust him or the organizations cited. Speaker 0 then attacks the credibility and funding of CDC, NIH, and the American Academy of Pediatrics, claiming they are “bought and paid for,” with statistics he cites: FDA is funded 45% by the pharmaceutical industry; the AAP allegedly gets 80% of its money from industry; and the CDC spends 4,900,000,000 of its 12,000,000,000 annual budget. Speaker 1 pushes back by noting that parents within these organizations vaccinate their own children against vaccines that include thimerosal, asking rhetorically whether they are willingly harming their children, and suggesting a broader government conspiracy. Speaker 0 then directs Speaker 1 to the movie Dopesick for further context, contrasting it with opioid prescriptions, and asserts that doctors treated patients and their own children with opioids because they believed FDA guidance. Overall, the dialogue centers on thimerosal in early vaccines, alleged hidden meetings and data suppression, controversial media coverage of vaccines-autism links, and critical claims about regulatory agency funding and conduct, culminating in comparisons to pharmaceutical and medical industry dynamics.

"Well, we fired that board because they were it was an utterly it was just an instrument. It was a sock puppet for the industry that it was supposed to regulate." "They said that 97% of the people on that board had undisclosed conflicts, many of them that had disclosed conflicts as well." "rotavirus vaccine was approved by that board, and there were five members of that board at that time, and four of them had direct financial interests in the rotavirus vaccine." "The one they voted on, that he voted on, within a year it had to be withdrawn because it was causing this really disastrous disease in kids that is often lethal, called intussusception." "he and his business partners sold that vaccine to Merck for a $186,000,000. He told Newsweek that he won the lottery."

The speaker describes a committee conflict investigated by the office of inspector general and Congress, who urged change, but nothing happened. They claim medical malpractice by this group is evident in the approval of vaccines. The speaker states that in 1986 there were 11 vaccines, which increased to 69, then 92. They assert that, except for the COVID vaccine, none had a pre-licensing safety trial involving a true placebo. According to the speaker, these vaccines were introduced without safety studies, resulting in a lack of understanding regarding the risk profiles of these products. The speaker attributes this to corruption and agency capture.

In 2007 trial, the placebo contained a toxic agent, affecting the comparison between vaccine and control groups. Both groups had 3% new autoimmune conditions, but it was dismissed. The lack of questioning raises concerns about vaccine safety. Comparing the 3% to general population rates would be logical. Individuals like Julie Gerberding and Peter Marks, who have ties to big pharma, may overlook such issues. Gerberding's move from CDC director to Merck's vaccines president with a $4,000,000 bonus raises ethical questions.

A rotavirus vaccine was approved by a board with five members, four of whom had financial interests in rotavirus vaccines through employment or grants. One member, Paul Offit, voted to add the rotavirus vaccine to the schedule while developing his own. The approved vaccine was withdrawn within a year due to causing intussusception, a potentially lethal disease. Offit's vaccine then replaced it. Offit remained on the committee but didn't vote on the replacement. He and his business partners sold their vaccine to Merck for $186 million. Offit told Newsweek he "won the lottery."

The speaker states the vaccine recommendation panel has been under attack for 20 years. A 2002 congressional investigation allegedly found 97% of panel members had conflicts of interest with the pharmaceutical industry. One instance cited four out of five members working for a company when they approved its vaccine, and one voting member held a patent on that vaccine, later sold for $186 million. The speaker says the goal is to ensure the panel consists of individuals without conflicts of interest who are not profiting from their votes. The speaker claims that since the panel's inception in 1986, the vaccine schedule has expanded from 11 doses of five vaccines to 69 to 92 doses of 19 vaccines, none of which have been tested for safety. The speaker asserts this is malpractice and aims to ensure all vaccines are tested for safety so physicians and patients understand the risk profile and benefits of each vaccine.

I'm preparing to shake up the Department of Health and Human Services by dismissing vaccine advisors with conflicts of interest. The medical industry has undue influence over regulators and government policy. We aim to remove conflicts of interest from committees and research partners or balance them with other stakeholders. The CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices is a clear target, and their meeting was recently postponed indefinitely. Medical professionals have urged me to preserve the meeting, emphasizing the importance of vaccines in responding to public health threats. Panels advising the FDA are also being targeted. I've vowed to reassess the childhood vaccination schedule and suggested that certain vaccines, like the COVID-19 vaccines, could be taken off the market. The CDC has already withdrawn its "wild to mild seasonal" campaign for the flu vaccination.

Dr James Dunchwander, a physician with dual board certifications in emergency and integrative medicine, has spent 32 years evaluating thousands of children. He notes that parents, to their dying breath, say a vaccine caused their child to descend into autism, or a vaccine caused their child's neurologic disorder, asthma, eczema, or food allergy. He acknowledges a huge disconnect between what these parents are telling us and what is taught in the field. As an ER physician, he warns that ignoring mom or dad is perilous, but he is not here today to debate the safety and efficacy of vaccines. He will, however, challenge each member of the room to that debate and challenge the CDC, the NIH, and any university to a public forum, but he believes it will never happen because “The science isn't there.” He states that the biggest cause of vaccine hesitancy in this country is the lack of true vaccine science. He asks the committee to please the community council and to do their job. He admits he used to naively think that ASAP based all their recommendations on rigorous study of multiple trials determining safety and efficacy, but has since learned that ASAP is simply participating in an industry-wide phenomenon he terms junk science. He contends that junk science has allowed, with respect to colleagues in the room, the presentation of papers and studies that would never pass the rigors of a peer-reviewed journal if they were on any subject other than vaccines. He cites an example: a GSK paper on their MMR vaccine in which ten percent of these healthy 12-year-old babies ended up in an emergency room in six weeks, and two and a half percent of them developed a new chronic medical condition. He notes this was not compared to a placebo group or a delayed vaccine group, but to the current MMR two vaccine, describing the situation as the moral equivalent of comparing ten shots of whiskey to nine shots of whiskey and a shot of vodka, and saying vodka doesn’t cause intoxication. He also asserts that junk science allows vaccines we know don’t work to be doubled down, increasing the dose and frequency. He recalls seeing the committee in the last meeting look at the pneumococcal vaccine and say it doesn’t work, yet leave it on the schedule and leave it up to clinicians to determine whether to give it to a patient. He finishes by stating, “Please do your job.”

Key points discuss alleged vaccine safety concerns and political influence. An anecdote describes a two-year-old who “went to have the vaccine and came back and a week later got a tremendous fever, got very, very sick, now is autistic.” “President-elect Trump was very thoughtful on the issue. He asked the chair commission on vaccine safety.” “Vaccine safety.” The plan was to “chair and to assemble a vaccine safety committee that would look at the safety of the various vaccinations.” In March 2017, there was talk in the White House about whether “vaccines weren't a bad thing” with Robert Kennedy Jr. advising against it, to which the speaker replied, “no. That's a dead end. That would be a bad thing. Don't do that.” Finally, it is claimed Trump took “a million dollar contribution for his inaugural party from Pfizer” and appointed “Alex Azar and Scott Utley,” “Pfizer's handpicked candidates,” who “killed the vaccine safety commission.”

The speaker claims a committee experienced typical conflict, but a specific conflict was particularly obvious. The Office of Inspector General and Congress investigated and urged change, but nothing happened. The speaker asserts this group committed medical malpractice by approving vaccines, increasing the number from 11 in 1986 to 69 and then 92. They state that, except for the COVID vaccine, none had pre-licensing safety trials with a true placebo. According to the speaker, these vaccines were introduced without safety studies, meaning the risk profiles are unknown. The speaker attributes this to corruption and agency capture.

The speakers discuss COVID vaccines, claiming they are now given to six-month-old children despite allegedly ruining stem cells in pregnant women, leading to a shortage of stem cells from placentas used in research and cosmetics. Speaker 0 claims that Kevin McKernan and others found SV40, a staphylococcal endotoxin gene, and two snake genes in the vaccines, indicating gain of function. The speaker alleges that vaccines are added to the baby vaccine schedule to suppress doubts, and that this is like a religion or cult. Speaker 0 asserts that ACIP, a group of doctors with vaccine interests, recommends the vaccine for six-month-olds. Doctors following ACIP are required to offer the vaccine, and may lose $250,000 a year if they don't. Hospitals allegedly receive incentives for administering vaccines, with one speaker recalling a hospital losing $40,000 for not administering a vaccine within 24 hours of admission. The speaker concludes that it's all a money game.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, Every Child by Two, and Dr. Paul Offit are trusted voices in vaccine safety, but CBS News found they have financial ties to the vaccine industry. The vaccine industry gives millions to the Academy of Pediatrics for conferences, grants, medical education, and building costs. Wyeth gave $342,000 to the academy for a community grant, and Merck contributed $433,000 the same year the academy endorsed Merck’s HPV vaccine. Every Child by Two takes money from the vaccine industry, and its treasurers have included an official from Wyeth and a paid adviser to pharmaceutical clients. Dr. Offit holds a $1.5 million research chair at Children's Hospital funded by Merck and holds the patent on Rotatec, an anti-diarrhea vaccine he developed with Merck. Royalties for the vaccine were sold for $182 million. The American Academy of Pediatrics, Every Child by Two, and Dr. Offit say they are upfront about the money they receive and that it doesn’t sway their opinions.

The transcript contrasts “legend” that young Bill Gates built his computer empire out of his garage with “reality” that Gates was born into wealth and privilege. It says his grandfather and great grandfather were banking moguls, and that his father, William Gates senior, was a prominent Seattle-based lawyer and political lobbyist. It adds that Gates learned the “ins and outs” of law and politics and “how to manipulate those governing forces.” The transcript includes Bill Gates’ identity statement (“I’m Bill Gates, chairman of Microsoft.”). It claims Gates dropped out of college to start Microsoft and is credited with inventing the operating system that became Windows, but says he “played no part” in Windows’ invention, stating that he bought an existing operating system from Seattle Computer Products, had it modified, and licensed it to IBM “then licensed it to IBM,” while still taking credit. It also includes Paul Allen suffering from cancer while Gates allegedly “seized the opportunity” by attempting to cheat Allen out of his share of Microsoft’s fortune. A deposition excerpt describes Allen’s share being planned to be diluted “down to almost nothing.” The transcript says Gates’ business strategies came under fire in 1998 when the United States Department of Justice sued Microsoft for antitrust violations, and that Gates gave hours of videotape testimony during an eighteen-month trial. It then says that, “in a move to overshadow the negative press,” Gates invested $100,000,000 to set up the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, transforming his public image and leading to a doubling of his net worth and him being titled the richest man in the world. It includes a claim from Gates about vaccines producing “over a 20 to one return,” citing a Wall Street essay that calls vaccines “the best investment I’ve ever made.” The transcript describes the Gates Foundation expanding into a vertically integrated multinational organization and includes claims about controversy: it says critics ask whether the world’s largest private philanthropy is causing harm, alleging investments in “69 of the worst polluting companies” and other portfolio accusations including forcing people to lose their homes, child labor, defrauding, and neglecting patients, while stating the Foundation “has not provided details.” It also claims Gates is a top donor to the WHO and CDC and that “no one man” has more power than Gates to influence health and medical freedom. It then presents vaccine-and-policy statements and planning language: “Normalcy only returns when we’ve largely vaccinated the entire global population,” “Until we find a vaccine, going back to normal means putting lives at risk,” and “We need to produce it and to deploy it in every single corner of the world,” including full vaccination of children and pregnant women, syringes already bought, and military mobilization for rapid distribution. A historical section says Ronald Reagan signed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act in 1986, granting total immunity to vaccine manufacturers, and that after a decade of lawsuits, vaccine makers were going bankrupt. It claims taxpayers would pay damages for adverse reactions. The transcript then asserts events in India: allegations about tribal girls being used as guinea pigs after HPV vaccine administration; it says caregivers were told they were being given “wellness shots” and some were misled that it would cure cancer, with seizures, cancer, and “seven girls” dying. It states India created a task force, studied the matter, and “kicked out the Gates Foundation,” while also saying the foundation denies having clinical trials. The transcript claims scientific findings about polio vaccine-related paralysis in India and says the story was buried by U.S.-based media and fact checkers, while pointing to an NIH.gov posting. It further asserts that without medical training, Bill and Melinda Gates founded the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization to vaccinate the world, and claims governments of some countries sued it for causing serious harm through experimental programs. Later, the transcript lists other alleged initiatives: a Stratospheric Controlled Perturbation Experiment to block out the sun, Earth Now’s global surveillance with hundreds of satellites, an “invisible certificate” vaccine/records concept using “quantum dot tattoo” scanning, genetically modified mosquito releases for malaria, and “flying syringes.” It also claims the New York Times reported connections between Gates and Jeffrey Epstein, saying they met multiple times, traveled on Epstein’s plane, and were involved in cofounding a charitable fund. The transcript ends by posing a framing question about Gates being “either the most misunderstood man alive, or one of the most convincing con men,” and includes a closing personal sentiment from an unspecified speaker expressing a desire to believe Gates is doing good and unaware of damage.