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Around 10 days after 9/11, I met with Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz at the Pentagon. A general called me in and informed me that we were going to war with Iraq. When I asked why, he didn't have a clear answer. There was no evidence connecting Saddam to Al Qaeda. It seemed like they didn't know what else to do, so they decided to go to war. A few weeks later, I asked if we were still going to war with Iraq, and he showed me a memo stating that we planned to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq and ending with Iran. The Middle East's oil resources have attracted great power involvement, and there has always been a belief that we could use force in the region.

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Shortly after 9/11, a general told me about the decision to go to war with Iraq, even without evidence linking Saddam to Al Qaeda. The rationale seemed to be that military force was the go-to solution. Weeks later, I learned of a plan to "take out seven countries in five years," starting with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. I worked with every Israeli prime minister from Yitzhak Shamir forward. It would have been fantastic to own the Twin Towers. After 9/11, I was very lucky that Governor Spitzer helped me collect $4.5 billion in insurance money. There was a decision to pull the building and watch it collapse. Post 9/11, Iraq, Iran, and Libya were racing to develop nuclear weapons. Action was needed, and the first regime was the Taliban. The next step? Military action should happen first against Iraq.

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In 1996, the Clean Break Report, commissioned by the Israeli government, outlined plans to secure Israel's borders by targeting Iraq, Syria, and Iran. Authors Douglas Faith, David Wormser, and Richard Perle proposed these actions. By 2000, all three authors were working for George W. Bush. After 9/11, the events unfolded as planned.

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Shortly after 9/11, the speaker encountered Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz at the Pentagon. A general called him urgently, revealing that they had decided to go to war with Iraq. When asked why, the general admitted they didn't have any new evidence connecting Saddam to Al Qaeda. The decision was made because they didn't know what else to do about terrorism and believed their military could overthrow governments. Weeks later, the speaker asked if they were still going to war with Iraq, to which the general responded that it was even worse. He showed the speaker a classified memo outlining plans to attack seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq and ending with Iran. The speaker regrets not seeing the memo and asks for the general's name.

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Recent events in Syria mark a culmination of a long-term strategy by Israel, particularly under Netanyahu, to reshape the Middle East. This effort began with the "Clean Break" strategy in 1996, aiming for a "Greater Israel" by destabilizing neighboring governments. The U.S. has been complicit in these actions, engaging in wars across multiple countries, including Iraq and Libya, under the guise of fighting terrorism. The narrative around Assad has shifted over the years, often driven by U.S. interests rather than genuine threats to national security. The ongoing conflicts serve the interests of the military-industrial complex and the Israel lobby, leading to instability rather than peace. Future U.S. foreign policy must prioritize diplomacy and accountability to avoid further escalation, particularly regarding Iran and Russia.

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Shortly after 9/11, a general told the speaker that the decision had been made to go to war with Iraq, despite no connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda. The speaker later saw a memo outlining a plan to "take out 7 countries in 5 years," starting with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. Iran viewed the U.S. presence in Iraq as both a blessing and a threat and became deeply involved in Iraq, offering assistance to various groups. The U.S. has refused to talk with Iran and has allocated $75 million to promote regime change, possibly supporting terrorist groups inside Iran. The speaker believes confrontation with Iran is likely, but force should be a last resort. Regarding Seymour Hersh's report, the speaker finds it plausible that the Pentagon is planning a bombing attack on Iran and that the U.S. and Saudi Arabia are covertly funding groups in the Middle East. The Saudis, distrustful of U.S. judgment, are taking matters into their own hands. An early U.S. withdrawal from Iraq could lead the Saudis to fund Al Qaeda-linked groups to fight the Shia, intensifying the threat of Sunni extremism.

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The war was largely driven by a need to convince the American public of its necessity, using fear tactics. Surprisingly, it originated from Netanyahu's long-held belief that to eliminate Hamas and Hezbollah, the U.S. must topple their supporting governments in Iraq, Syria, and Iran. Netanyahu has been relentless in pushing for conflict with Iran, influencing U.S. involvement in ongoing wars. The narrative of democracy versus dictatorship is oversimplified and misleading, failing to capture the complexities of the situation.

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After 9/11, a general informed me that the decision to go to war with Iraq was made without evidence linking Saddam to Al Qaeda. Later, a memo revealed plans to attack 7 countries in 5 years, starting with Iraq. Iran's involvement in Iraq is seen as a response to US presence. The possibility of a military confrontation with Iran is looming due to US actions. Saudi Arabia is funding Sunni groups to counter Iranian influence, potentially including groups with ties to Al Qaeda. The consequences of a premature US withdrawal from Iraq could lead to increased Sunni extremism, supported by Saudi Arabia, to combat Shia influence.

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Regarding the war in Syria, the CIA was tasked by Obama to overthrow the Syrian government four years before Russia intervened. This operation, known as Timber Sycamore, barely received coverage in the New York Times. The 2003 invasion of Iraq was based on phony pretenses. Focus groups were conducted to determine how to sell the war to the American people, using fear as a tactic. This war originated from Netanyahu's theory since 1995 that toppling governments supporting Hamas and Hezbollah (Iraq, Syria, and Iran) was necessary. He has been trying to get the US to fight Iran. He has gotten the US into endless wars because of his power in US politics. Therefore, the narrative of democracy versus dictatorship is not sensible.

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After 9/11, a general told me the decision to go to war with Iraq was made without evidence linking Saddam to Al Qaeda. Plans were revealed to take out 7 countries in 5 years, starting with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. Military operations began in Iraq and Syria. The situation in Syria was discussed, acknowledging the distressing images coming out of the country.

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Shortly after 9/11, a Pentagon staffer says a colleague told him 'we're going to war with Iraq,' with no new evidence linking Saddam to Al Qaeda. A few weeks later, a memo 'describes how we're gonna take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, and Sudan, and finishing off Iran.' Iran saw U.S. presence in Iraq as both a threat and a blessing; they were 'building up their own network of influence' and sometimes gave 'military assistance and training' to insurgents and militias. The administration allegedly sought to pay for regime change—'asking congress to appropriate $75,000,000' and 'supporting terrorist groups apparently who are infiltrating and blowing up things inside Iraq Iran.' Hersh notes a 'special planning group' to bomb Iran and Saudi funding of Sunni groups and the risk that a U.S. pull-out could empower Al Qaeda.

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After 9/11, the speaker had a conversation with a general who informed him that the US had decided to go to war with Iraq, even though there was no evidence connecting Saddam Hussein to Al Qaeda. The speaker later learned about a memo outlining plans to attack seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq and ending with Iran. The speaker believes that Iran saw the US presence in Iraq as a threat and got involved to protect its interests. The speaker also discusses the possibility of the US planning a bombing attack on Iran and Saudi Arabia funding covert operations in the Middle East. The speaker warns against using force as a first resort and highlights the complexities of the situation in Iraq.

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Shortly after 9/11, a general told the speaker that the decision had been made to go to war with Iraq, despite no connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda. The speaker later saw a memo describing a plan to "take out seven countries in five years," starting with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. Iran saw the U.S. presence in Iraq as both a blessing (removal of Saddam) and a threat, leading to their involvement in Iraq. Iran provides assistance to insurgents and militias, driven by their perception of being next on the "hit list." The U.S. has refused to talk with Iran and has allocated funds for regime change and may be supporting terrorist groups inside Iran. Regarding Seymour Hirsch's report, the speaker said it's plausible that the Pentagon is planning a bombing attack on Iran and that the U.S. and Saudi Arabia are funding covert operations to weaken Iranian-backed Shias, possibly even using groups with ties to Al Qaeda. The Saudis, distrustful of the U.S., are taking matters into their own hands in Iraq. An early U.S. withdrawal could intensify the threat of a powerful Sunni extremist group funded by the Saudis to counter Iranian expansionism.

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About 10 days after 9/11, the speaker met with Secretary Rumsfeld at the Pentagon. A general informed him that they had decided to go to war with Iraq, but when asked why, the general had no answer. There was no evidence linking Saddam to Al Qaeda, but they felt they had a strong military and could overthrow governments. Later, the speaker learned that there was a memo outlining plans to attack seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq and ending with Iran. The speaker asked if the memo was classified, and it was confirmed to be so.

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After 9/11, many questions arose. Earlier that year, Ariel Sharon became Prime Minister of Israel, and around the same time, numerous individuals identifying as Israeli art students were apprehended across the U.S. The CIA rounded up around 200 of these individuals, who were found photographing federal buildings. Some Israelis were caught in New Jersey, photographing and celebrating the towers coming down. Others were found with explosives and later identified as Mossad agents. After 9/11, the U.S. declared war on various Arab Muslim countries. This occurred after the arrest of numerous Mossad agents and the appointment of Ariel Sharon, the author of an old plan, as Prime Minister. Simultaneously, the authors of the clean break report gained control of the Pentagon under George W. Bush. Together, the U.S. and Israel launched a global war against Muslim countries.

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Nations don't go to war easily, sometimes needing to be bombed into it, like Pearl Harbor in World War II and September 11. Removing Saddam's regime would have positive effects, as he used weapons of mass destruction and sought nuclear weapons. A year after September 11, the U.S. had the courage to win. The terrorists attacked and killed 3,000 citizens before the freedom agenda in the Middle East. The main reason for going into Iraq was the belief that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, which turned out to be false, and had nothing to do with 9/11. Some suggest the U.S. sometimes needs a catalyst for war, like Pearl Harbor or the Lusitania. Covert actions against Iran were mentioned, including intensifying pressure. Netanyahu reportedly said the September 11 attacks were good for Israel. Some left the military due to being lied to about weapons of mass destruction and ties to Al Qaeda. Instructions were given to shoot at anything that moved after IED explosions, desensitizing soldiers by dehumanizing Iraqis. There was a total disregard for human life. One individual apologized to an Iraqi man, finding it redemptive.

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The speaker reveals a conversation with an officer who informed him about a memo from the secretary of defense's office. The memo outlined a plan to attack and destroy the governments of seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq and moving on to Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. This revelation shocked the speaker, as he realized that the purpose of the military was not to deter conflict but to start wars and change governments. He believes that a group of people, including Wolfowitz, Cheney, and Rumsfeld, orchestrated a policy coup to destabilize the Middle East and gain control. The speaker mentions a document from September 2000 that acknowledges the long process of transformation.

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Around 10 days after 9/11, I met with Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz at the Pentagon. A general called me and informed me that we were going to war with Iraq, even though there was no evidence connecting Saddam to Al Qaeda. The decision was made because they didn't know what else to do about terrorism. A few weeks later, I asked if we were still going to war with Iraq, and I was told that the plan was even bigger. The Secretary of Defense had a memo outlining a strategy to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq and ending with Iran. The presence of oil in the Middle East has always attracted great power involvement, and there has been a belief that force can be used to intervene in the region.

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After 9/11, I visited the Pentagon and spoke with a general who informed me that the decision had been made to go to war with Iraq, despite no evidence linking Saddam to Al Qaeda. The rationale seemed to be a lack of options in dealing with terrorism, leading to a military approach. A few weeks later, while we were bombing Afghanistan, the same general revealed a memo outlining plans to target seven countries over five years, starting with Iraq and including Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and ending with Iran. He mentioned the memo was classified and advised against viewing it.

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After 9/11, General Wesley Clark, former head of NATO, visited the Pentagon and was shown a memo outlining a plan to attack seven countries in five years. The memo specified that the countries to be targeted were Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. According to the speaker, wars have been initiated in six of these seven countries, including Syria.

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Shortly after 9/11, I visited the Pentagon and spoke with a general who informed me that a decision had been made to go to war with Iraq, despite no evidence linking Saddam to Al Qaeda. The rationale seemed to be a lack of options in dealing with terrorism, leading to a military approach. A few weeks later, while we were bombing Afghanistan, I asked if the plan to invade Iraq was still on. The general revealed that he had received a memo outlining a strategy to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq and followed by Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and ending with Iran.

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About ten days after 9/11, the speaker describes going through the Pentagon and seeing Secretary Rumsfeld. A general then pulls him aside and says they must talk briefly. The general says, “we’ve made the decision. We’re going to war with Iraq.” When the speaker asks, “Why?” the general replies, “I guess they don’t know what else to do.” The speaker asks if they found information connecting Saddam to Al Qaeda. The response is, “No. There’s nothing new that way.” The general explains they had “made the decision to go to war with Iraq,” and that it seems, as the speaker reflects, “we don’t know what to do about terrorists, but we got a good military and we can take down governments.” A few weeks later, the speaker returns to see the general amid bombing campaigns in Afghanistan and inquires again, “We still going to war with Iraq?” The answer is presented as worse than prior: the speaker says the general tells him, “I just got this down from upstairs, meeting the secretary of defense office today.” He describes a memo that outlines “how we're gonna take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran.” The speaker asks if the memo is classified, and the general confirms, “yes, sir.” He adds, “Don’t show it to” (the transcript ends there). Key elements include the asserted decision to invade Iraq without evidence of a direct link to Al Qaeda, the perception that the administration chose military action because other options were unclear, and the claim of a broader plan to “take out seven countries in five years” beginning with Iraq and extending through Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran, with the memo described as classified. The account ties the Iraq invasion decision to a larger strategic agenda and emphasizes a chain of communication from the secretary of defense’s office to field-level comprehension, all within the context of ongoing Afghanistan bombing.

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The speaker states the purpose of the military is to start wars and change governments, not deter conflict, and that the US will invade countries. An officer from the joint staff informed him the US was going to attack Iraq, but didn't know why, and that Saddam wasn't tied to 9/11. Later, the same officer showed the speaker a memo from the Secretary of Defense's office stating the US would attack and destroy the governments of seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. The speaker claims the country was taken over by people like Wolfowitz, Cheney, and Rumsfeld from the Project for a New American Century, who wanted to destabilize the Middle East and make it under US control. Their document, written before 9/11, acknowledged transformation would be a long process.

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10 days after 9/11, a general informed me that we were going to war with Iraq. When I asked why, he didn't have a clear answer but mentioned that our military was capable of taking down governments. Weeks later, while we were bombing Afghanistan, I asked if we were still going to war with Iraq. To my surprise, he showed me a memo from the secretary of defense's office outlining a plan to take out 7 countries in 5 years. The countries listed were Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran.

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Dave Smith | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #555

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Theo Von opens with notes about a second Nashville show on May 3, 4:00 p.m. at Bridgestone Arena, thanking fans and listing tickets for East Lansing, Victoria, College Station, Gig ’Em Belt, Oxford, Tuscaloosa, Winnipeg, and Calgary, with tickets at theo.com. The guest is comedian, podcaster, and social commentator Dave Smith, known for Part of the Problem and Legion of Skanks. They discuss a wide range of topics, including the Israel and Palestine conflict; the conversation was recorded Monday, January 13, which is why there was no ceasefire discussion. The dialogue covers politics, media, censorship, war, and philosophy through a libertarian lens. Smith describes libertarianism as the belief in self ownership, non aggression, and private property, with government whose sole role is to protect liberty. He explains that liberty includes free speech, gun rights, and property rights, and that any government activity beyond protection is tyrannical because it takes from someone to give to someone else. They explore how this view translates into views on markets, peace, and intervention. A major portion of the talk turns to TikTok, its potential ban, and why platforms matter for information flow. They discuss TikTok as a source of news for young people, the shift away from traditional outlets, and the fear that a ban would suppress alternative viewpoints, especially material critical of Israeli actions in Gaza. They reference the Anti-Defamation League and its stance on Israel, and mention Osama bin Laden’s open letter to America and the grievances cited there, including presence of US military bases in Muslim lands, US support for Israel, and exploitation of regional resources. Smith notes the claim that Bin Laden listed the occupation of sacred lands and economic grievances as motivators, while also describing the complexity of the historical context and the reaction from various audiences to reading his words. The episode delves into censorship and power, including Zuckerberg’s Rogan interview and the claim that the FBI advised Facebook about a looming Russian information dump during the 2020 election. They contrast Facebook’s approach with Twitter’s, and critique the narrative of censorship as a new phenomenon, arguing that government pressure to shape speech has long existed, yet corporate and platform power now amplifies it. They discuss the Hunter Biden laptop episode, the role of third party fact checking, and the difference between a blanket ban and a signal reduction rather than a full removal. Beyond foreign policy, the conversation touches U.S. domestic policy and history. They discuss neoconservatives’ influence, Project for a New American Century, and the 1996 “A Clean Break” memo advocating regime change in the Middle East to advance Israel’s strategic aims. They recount Wesley Clark’s testimony about the plan to take out seven countries in five years, beginning with Iraq, and reflect on how the events unfolded after 9/11. They examine the moral costs of war, veterans’ experiences, and the sense that Americans were sold a false narrative about the purposes of intervention. On economics, they critique the Federal Reserve, the gold standard, and Bretton Woods, describing how fiat money and monetary policy enable endless borrowing and inflation. They explain how the Fed’s structure concentrates profits in banks and the government can pursue expansive policy by printing money, with consequences for ordinary people. They discuss healthcare markets, pricing transparency, and libertarian proposals to reduce regulatory friction and increase real competition. The chat also covers culture and media, the rise of podcasts, the evolution of standup, and Dave’s upcoming schedule, including Skankfest in New Orleans, a stop in Bozeman, Montana, and other dates at comicdavesmith.com. They close with reflections on truth, accountability, and the value of speaking honestly while recognizing uncertainty, emphasizing the importance of listening to diverse perspectives and maintaining a commitment to liberty. If you want more, follow Dave Smith at comicdavesmith.com for tour dates and updates, and catch his continued work on Part of the Problem and other projects. The conversation demonstrates a willingness to grapple with difficult issues in a forum that prizes openness and the exploration of ideas.