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To restore balance between the US and Israel and sane public conversation, the speaker says we must get our theology right. This message is aimed at Christians—the largest group of Israel supporters in the US—whose view is colored by a Christian heresy: that God prefers some people based on DNA. The chosen people, he argues, are 'the people who choose Jesus' and that is the universal Christian message. He cites Lindsey Graham and others, calling this 'not Christianity' and 'heresy.' Examples: 'Israel is our friend. They're the most reliable friend we have in the Mideast.' 'This is not a hard choice if you're an American.' 'If America pulls the plug on Israel, god will pull the plug on us.' 'God will kill you if you don't support Bibi Netanyahu.' He contends this uses God as a weapon, and 'the killing of the innocent' is forbidden; 'that person is committing heresy.'

The segment discusses a recent effort in which Israel hosted about 1,000 American Christian pastors who were invited to sign forms pledging to be ambassadors for Israel within their congregations, including receiving plaques and certificates. A crowdsourced list of these pastors, compiled by a popular X user known as Gen X Girl, shows a concentration in the American Southwest (California, Texas, Arizona, Nevada, Colorado) with denominations including evangelicals, Baptists, Methodists, and many nondenominational churches. The participants’ willingness to pledge allegiance to a world government is emphasized as a point of concern, with the claim that “their allegiance belongs to God and no foreign government.” Pastor Jay Chase Davis of The Well Church in Colorado (not on the list) comments that the event is “pretty wild” and offers two understandings. First, he suggests understanding Israel’s political instincts and the biblical reality of how Christians should think about nation-states, citizenship on earth, and citizenship in heaven. He notes that Americans naturally favor an “American first” attitude, but asserts that the political entities of Israel relate to America because America is the global superpower, and that evangelicals have been fed a “twisted” scriptural interpretation about Israel and God’s redemptive plan. He posits that Israel is courting evangelical support because evangelicals form a large voting block, and that these pastors are being brought over to become ambassadors who will defend Israel in various capacities. He asserts that some dispensationalist teachings have led to views that could imply salvation apart from Jesus, which he labels as heretical, and argues this makes evangelicals vulnerable to manipulation. Speaker 0 asks why Orthodox and Catholic pastors aren’t on the list and what doctrinal reasons would exclude participation, while Speaker 1 explains that the trip likely targeted a specific demographic (evangelicals) due to their historical theological training (often influenced by dispensationalism) and political leverage. He describes the goal as a tour with credentialing to defend Israel and align evangelical leaders with Israeli interests, noting susceptibility due to confusion about Israel’s modern political actions and salvation doctrines. Philip’s question raises concern about evangelizing Israelis during such visits, suggesting it would not be well received; Speaker 1 confirms mixed reception and expresses suspicion that the mission may be more about indoctrination and political outreach than evangelism. For viewers concerned about their church’s alignment, Speaker 1 advises asking questions, emailing pastors, and potentially seeking a different church if the church’s stance becomes incompatible with one’s beliefs. He recommends consulting historic confessions (e.g., Westminster Confession of Faith, London Baptist Confession 1689) and engaging with educational resources such as his podcast Full Proof Theology and his work with the Center for Baptist Leadership.

Speaker 0: The Israelites is not Israel. And as Tony and I are both Catholic, and so when we talk about the Israelites that are talked about in the Bible, there is a clear distinction between this prophecy about the Israelites and the government of Israel and white Europeans settling into the holy land. Mhmm. And so when we say this, like, the Israelites, the Israelites in the bible are actually the Palestinian people who have been there for thousands of years, not the white European from Ukraine or Poland or America. The Israelites are the people who were indigenous to that land that lived there for thousands of years, and those are not the people who have Trump wrapped around his finger. It's this, like, settler colonial white Europeans that have settled into the land of the actual Israelites that have either blackmailed him or cut deals with him financially. I mean, we go back to greed. Right? Greed is always, like, a big factor decisions. So Trump, in all senses, is wrapped in intertwined with this government and the Zionist regime and the Rothschilds and the Vanderbilts and the 13 rich families that control the world, basically. Right.

The speaker discusses the Scofield Bible, claiming that its emergence is linked to a historical convergence of major events in the early 20th century. They state that around the time when the Federal Reserve was founded and the Balfour Declaration occurred, the Rothschild family recruited a pastor in the Deep South to produce a new version of the Bible—the Scofield Bible. According to the speaker, this Bible introduced new interpretations of biblical text. They assert that Jewish influence affected Christian interpretation through this edition, describing it as the origin of Judeo-Christian ideas and the concept that Israel represents the modern political nation of Israel as understood in the Bible. The speaker further claims that the Scofield Bible was funded by the Rothschild family. They assert that the Rothschilds owned the publisher responsible for distributing the Bible, identifying Oxford Press as the publisher. Because of these ownership and funding arrangements, the speaker contends that they had the ability to push the Scofield Bible into widespread circulation, across megachurches and across entire denominations of Christianity. As a result, the speaker concludes that Christianity was effectively “Jewified” through this process. Key points highlighted include: - The Scofield Bible was created in the early 1900s, coinciding with the founding of the Federal Reserve and the Balfour Declaration. - The Rothschild family hired a pastor in the Deep South to author a new Bible version (the Scofield Bible) with revised interpretations. - This edition introduced or popularized Judeo-Christian concepts and reinforced the idea that Israel today aligns with the Israel of the Bible. - The Scofield Bible was funded by the Rothschild family and distributed through a publisher (identified as Oxford Press) that they owned, enabling its widespread adoption. - The widespread push of the Scofield Bible contributed to Christianity being “Jewified” across megachurches and denominations.

America must consider the price of its alliance with Israel and how it has benefited. Contrary to claims that supporting Israel blesses America, the speaker argues that Christian Zionism is a heresy originating from the Scofield Bible and fueled by televangelists. The speaker claims Jews lost their chosen status by rejecting Jesus, transferring it to Christians. Despite trillions of dollars in American aid, the speaker suggests America has not been blessed. They cite the rise of LGBT values, abortion, economic decline due to open borders and mass immigration, and increased crime and drug abuse as evidence. The speaker claims Tel Aviv is the gay capital of the world and corrupts other nations. The speaker claims real Christians, including those in occupied Palestine, reject Christian Zionism, citing the Jerusalem Declaration. The speaker concludes that Christian Zionism is a satanic cult that has cost America lives and treasure. The speaker urges Christians to stand with Jesus and act accordingly.

The speaker claims that the "Zionist occupation of Palestine that calls itself Israel" is built on lies and theft, having stolen the name "Israel." The name originates from the Old Testament, where Jacob was renamed Israel, and his descendants were the Israelites. Those who accepted covenants with God were part of the House of Israel, later the Christian Church established by Jesus. Rejecters of Jesus were the Jews, a pejorative term for those who rejected Christ. The speaker asserts that the true Israel is the Church, not a birthright or DNA privilege. Christian Zionists are deceived in believing today's Jews are still in covenant with God from the old covenant with Abraham. The speaker rejects Calvinist theology and predestination. In 1948, Zionists stole the name Israel to mislead evangelicals and religious Jews. Only religious fanatics in Puritan circles supported Zionism, misinterpreting scriptures. The speaker believes evangelicals are not Christians, the chosen people are not chosen, and Israel is not Israel. The true Israel is a spiritual fellowship of people with faith who follow Jesus. The Zionist occupation is a Jewish military dictatorship that has fooled religious fanatics and the secular masses.

Benjamin Netanyahu relies on US support to veto UN resolutions against Israel and for military assistance. The idea of Israel as a biblical prophecy has been present since the 1970s, particularly among evangelical Christians in the US. Amid the recent conflict in Gaza, American evangelical pastors continue to reference biblical prophecies. Christian Zionism, which predates Jewish Zionism, is a belief that the return of Jewish people to Israel will lead to the second coming of Jesus Christ. This movement heavily influences US foreign policy, with over 100 evangelical members in Congress. Evangelical support for Israel extends to fundraising, organizing tours of the occupied West Bank, and opposing the two-state solution. Netanyahu uses scripture to appease his main supporters, the Christian Zionist movement.

To restore balance between the United States and Israel, the speaker says we must get our theology right. This is not a message aimed at Israelis or Jews; it targets Christians, the largest group of Israel supporters in the United States. He calls the belief that God favors some people by DNA 'the oldest of the Christian heresies' and says, 'The chosen people are people who choose Jesus.' He declares, 'That is not Christianity. It is heresy.' He warns that if America pulls the plug on Israel, god will pull the plug on us, and, 'God will kill you if you don't support Bibi Netanyahu.' He argues that 'The Christian message is universal' and that, 'If you find anyone leveraging the message of Jesus to justify the killing of innocents, that person is committing heresy.'

The speaker discusses the situation in the Middle East and urges support for Israel through donations. They argue that tax dollars already support Israel and mention the Balfour Declaration, which justified the colonization of Palestine and led to the creation of Israel. The speaker distinguishes between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism, stating that Judaism is a religion while Zionism is a nationalist movement. They claim that Zionism weaponized Judaism to justify colonial actions and oppress Palestinians. The speaker concludes by suggesting that the media portrays the wrong heroes as villains.

Speaker 0 believes Christians are biblically commanded to support Israel, based on the idea that those who bless Israel will be blessed. Speaker 1 questions if this refers to the modern political entity of Israel, with its current borders and leadership, as opposed to the Jewish people. Speaker 0 affirms that the biblical reference to Israel does indeed refer to the modern nation-state, which he says is the same nation of Israel spoken about in Genesis. Speaker 1 expresses skepticism, suggesting that most people interpret the Genesis passage as referring to the Jewish people, not necessarily the political entity of modern Israel.

Speaker 0 states their support for Israel stems from a biblical teaching: those who bless Israel will be blessed. Speaker 1 questions if this refers to the modern government of Israel. Speaker 0 clarifies the Bible refers to the nation of Israel. Speaker 1 asks for a definition of Israel, questioning if it means the current political entity run by Benjamin Netanyahu, and Speaker 0 confirms that it does. Speaker 1 suggests the Genesis verse refers to the Jewish people, but Speaker 0 disagrees. Speaker 1 points out Speaker 0 cannot cite the exact scripture. Speaker 0 says they are explaining their personal motivation, not saying all Christians must support the modern state of Israel. Speaker 1 summarizes Speaker 0's position as being based on a Bible verse they cannot locate.

Amid concerns about violence against Christians and attacks on Christian sites, a Christian speaker questions why some Christians support the state of Israel. He discusses the influence of dispensationalism, a theology that connects certain verses of the Bible to the modern state of Israel, and how it has been promoted through the Scofield Bible. The guest, Alison Weir, explains that many Christians are misled by the US media's portrayal of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and highlights the suffering of Palestinians living in Gaza. She also addresses the manipulation of fear and hatred towards Muslims and emphasizes the need for accurate information and understanding.

"As Christians support the government of Israel, we are commanded to support Israel." "It says that those who bless you, Abraham, this was before Israel, will be blessed by God." "And those who curse you, Abraham, will be cursed by God." "For not all who are born into the nation of Israel are truly members of God's people." "Being descendants of Abraham doesn't make them truly Abraham's children." "Israel didn't have a nation or a land to call their own for almost two thousand years since the destruction of the temple in the year seventy AD." "The nation of Israel was recreated through some political operatives after World War II." "I think the scripture makes it clear that it's about whether you're blessing or cursing the true children of Abraham, those who believe the promises of the gospel."

The speaker challenges the idea of being "pro-Israel" based on biblical interpretations. She argues that dispensationalism, a modern church teaching, incorrectly identifies the nation of Israel as still being God's chosen people. Referencing Matthew 21, she states that the kingdom of God was taken away from the Israelites after they rejected Jesus. She cites Matthew 8, stating that many non-Jews will feast with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, while the "subjects of the kingdom" (Jews) will be thrown into darkness. She asserts that earthly Jerusalem is no longer the Jerusalem of God, replaced by the heavenly Jerusalem described in Revelation 21. Using Galatians 3, the speaker identifies Christ as the true seed of Abraham, and those baptized into Christ, regardless of ethnicity, as Abraham's seed and heirs. Therefore, prioritizing the state of Israel over Palestine is a distortion of scripture. She concludes that in Christ's eyes, a Palestinian who loves and is baptized in Jesus is more of a "real Jew" than a Jew who rejects Jesus.

The Scofield Reference Bible, published by Oxford University Press in 1908, aimed to reinterpret Christian texts to support the idea of a Jewish state in Israel. This book was promoted in American seminaries, shaping the beliefs of future pastors. Following the establishment of Israel in 1948, American Christianity became increasingly aligned with Zionism. The Scofield Bible's footnotes distort biblical texts to suggest that God promised land to modern Israel, despite the fact that the nation did not exist during Abraham's time. Critics like Philip Morrow and Dr. Furman Curley have warned against the dangers of Christian Zionism, linking it to militarism and conflict in the Middle East. They argue that true Christian teachings advocate for peace, not war, and caution against doctrines that could lead to violence against others.

In this discussion, the central thread is that Christian communities across the Middle East have borne the brunt of foreign and domestic policies, particularly under U.S. and Israeli actions, while Christian voices in the West have often been quiet or polarized by political loyalties. Key points raised by Speaker 0 include: - A long-standing pattern in American foreign policy where Christians suffer disproportionately in wars the U.S. funds or supports, with Iraq’s ancient Christian community devastated (nine out of ten Christians fled or were killed as a result of the occupation). Similar silences surrounded Christian killings in Syria and, more recently, the treatment of Christians in Ukraine, Gaza, the West Bank, and Israel. - In Ukraine, the U.S. government sent more than $100 billion; in Gaza and the broader Middle East, Christian communities have faced severe hardship. A Greek Orthodox church in Gaza was hit by an airstrike in October, with at least 17 dead that day. The broader pattern includes earlier violence such as the destruction around the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem and the lack of vocal Christian clergy in the U.S. who spoke up at the time. - The use of humanitarian aid or policy toward the Middle East is perceived as biased by many Christian communities in the region, who feel their own suffering is being ignored if it does not align with American political aims or with Evangelical support for Israel. Reverend Munther Ishak, pastor of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Bethlehem, provides on-the-ground perspective: - The Christian communities in the West Bank, Gaza, and Israel proper are facing unprecedented fragmentation and decline. In Gaza, eight to 100 Palestinian Christians remain in the territory, with any death impacting the community deeply. Members of Ishak’s church have family in Gaza who cannot visit due to restrictions, and Bethlehem’s Christian population is shrinking as relatives move abroad for safety and livelihoods. - Ishak describes American political dynamics as problematic: some U.S. lawmakers—reflecting the religious right or certain partisan positions—express views that directly affect Palestinians, including Christian communities. He cites examples of pastors advocating destruction of Gaza and questions whether such calls align with Christian ethics, noting the harm to Christian witnesses in the region. - He emphasizes that much of the money flowing from churches to the region funds Israeli military actions and settlement-building on land confiscated from Palestinians, including Palestinian Christians. This financial support, he argues, undermines humanitarian efforts and peace initiatives, and damages the Christian presence in the Holy Land. - The reality of life under Israeli occupation is harsh in both Gaza and the West Bank, with land seizures, travel restrictions, and a fragile, often dangerous existence for Palestinian Christians. In East Jerusalem, Christians face repeated, sometimes violent incitement; evangelism is restricted, and some churches feel a systematic effort to “empty Jerusalem of Christians.” - Ishak argues for recognizing the humanity and political rights of Palestinians, including Palestinian Christians, and for a two-state or other peace solution. He criticizes the conflation of biblical chosenness with unconditional political support for Israel, warning that such stance compromises Christian witness and undermines the possibility of peaceful coexistence. - He calls on American Christian leaders to listen to Palestinian Christian voices, to advocate for peace and justice, and to avoid simplistic, polarizing positions. He contends that war does not align with the teachings of Jesus and urges Christians to pursue nonviolent, principled paths to end the occupation and to protect Christian communities in the Holy Land. The overall message is a plea for attentive, principled engagement from American Christian leaders and policymakers: listen to Palestinian Christians, reassess unconditional support for political allies, and pursue peaceful, just solutions that protect all communities and sustain Christian witness in the region.

A new political military Israel was promoted through the Scofield Study Bible, funded by the Rothschilds, to gain Christian support for a one world government. However, the true promise to Abraham was a heavenly kingdom, not a physical nation. The misunderstanding of Israel's purpose led to conflict in the Middle East. The real descendants of Abraham are those who walk faithfully with God, not a specific ethnic group. This spiritual seed is what truly matters, not political or military power.

"A 'false and intentionally misleading bible' called the Scofield Reference Bible was published by Oxford University Press in nineteen o eight, 'Its mission was to inject into the Christian text reinterpretations that made the future state of Israel the way to God.' The book 'was to be a foundational document upon which Christian Zionism ... would begin its methodical growth by deception.' 'Note on page 19 that the footnotes dwarf the text.' The footnotes claim, 'God made an unconditional promise of blessing through Abram's seed to the nation of Israel to inherit a specific territory forever,' and speak of 'a promise of blessing upon the individuals and nations who bless Abram's descendants and a curse lay upon those who persecute the Jew.' Critics say, 'For a nation to commit the sin of antisemitism brings inevitable judgment.' 'There was no Jew in the time of Abram.' 'The present day Israel... would be born of force forty years after his death.' Philip Morrow warned that 'the Schofield Bible' has 'usurped the place of authority that belonged to God's Bible alone.' Doctor Curley criticized Christian Zionism's effects."

The transcript argues that Oxford University Press launched a deliberate attack on Christianity by publishing the Schofield Reference Bible in 1908, a Bible whose notes purportedly inject reinterpretations that connect the future state of Israel to access to God. It states the book’s importance led OUP to open its first American branch, publishing it and promoting it through key American seminaries and Bible schools, thereby shaping future pastors’ beliefs to align with a peacemaking tradition favorable to the state of Israel. The speakers claim many pastors were unaware of the danger at the time, and that the Schofield Bible would later be used by secular powers to steer Christians toward political and financial servitude to present-day Israel. They assert American Christianity became increasingly Zionized after 1948 with the appearance of the state of Israel, aided by Oxford University Press’s Zionist influence and its New York publishing branch, which published the Schofield Reference Bible as a foundational document for Christian Zionism and evangelicalism, contributing to its growth through deception. The narrative links the founders of world Zionism, especially Chaim Weizmann, to efforts to involve the United States in World War I and to gain land in Palestine, arguing that a small number of dominant American scientists influenced President Wilson to enter the war, resulting in substantial American casualties while enabling Zionist aims in Palestine after the Balfour Declaration. The Schofield Reference Bible is described as copyrighted in 1909, an old and new testament with many notes added originally in the Old Testament, with later additions in the New Testament and a radical 1967 revision. The cover features Cyrus I. Scofield and an editorial board including James M. Gray, president of Moody Bible Institute, and other seminary leaders. Distribution allegedly occurred through seminaries, influencing new pastors who returned to churches with the Schofield Bible in hand. A critical examination of a page from Genesis 12:3 is used to illustrate the alleged distortions: the verse, part of the Torah and quoted in the Koran, is presented as a basis for Christians and Zionists to claim that present-day Israel should own all land in the Middle East beginning with Palestine. The 1967 Scofield edition reportedly contains more footnotes than the 1909 version, with a footnote claiming an unconditional promise of land to Israel forever, which the speakers assert is not stated in the passage. They argue that the footnotes render Abraham’s promise as a perpetual land grant to Israel, and that the note uses the later term “Jew” unjustly to describe biblical figures from before the existence of Judah or the Jews. The transcript contends that Oxford’s notes imply blessings or curses based on support for Israel, and that a nation’s supposed sin for not aiding Israel would invite divine judgment, a claim the speakers label as a form of antisemitism manufactured by Christian Zionism. They argue that the concept of national sin is flawed, and that individuals alone sin, not nations. Historical figures like Philip Morrow and Doctor F. Furman Curley are cited as Orthodox Christian critics who warned against dispensationalism and Christian Zionism. Morrow warned in 1927 that Schofield Bible had usurped authority from Scripture, while Curley in 1983 linked premillennialist advocacy of Israel to wars in the Middle East and urged Christians to seek peace rather than war, criticizing figures like Hal Lindsey and Jerry Falwell. The final note emphasizes that Jesus’ simple New Testament teachings do not support Christians taking life abroad, urging a reconsideration of the doctrine behind Christian Zionism.

I want to address who pro-Zionists are and clarify some common misconceptions. Being pro-Israel isn't about being anti-Jewish, as Jesus himself was Jewish. However, the New Testament indicates that the nation of Israel is no longer God's chosen people; that title now belongs to the church. True Jews are those who follow the Lord's laws and ethics in their hearts, not just outwardly. In fact, those who reject Jesus are like the sons of Hagar, not of Sarah. There's neither Jew nor Gentile, but Christ, and Christ's kingdom doesn't favor any human government, and we shouldn't prioritize any nation over Christ. When we see children being killed, whether Israeli or Palestinian, it breaks Jesus' heart. We should be pro-Jesus and his kingdom and remember our brothers and sisters in Christ, even Palestinian Christians.

The speaker challenges the idea of being "pro-Israel" or pro-Zionist, asserting it stems from a misinterpretation of the Bible and dispensationalism. They claim the New Testament indicates the nation of Israel is no longer God's chosen people, but rather the church. Using biblical passages, the speaker argues that the kingdom of God was taken from the Israelites after they rejected Jesus. They state that believers in Jesus, regardless of ethnicity (Jew or Gentile), are the true seed of Abraham and heirs to the promise. The speaker contends that earthly Jerusalem lost its significance after rejecting Jesus, replaced by the heavenly Jerusalem. They equate Zionism with being anti-gospel and anti-Christian. The speaker questions favoring Israeli children over Palestinian children, asserting Jesus loves all equally. They believe those who die in Christ are perfected and united in love in Jesus' presence, transcending earthly divisions.

Speaker 0 says the effort to break America's bond with Israel and Judeo-Christian values is a 'campaign of lies.' 'Israel is now portrayed as the enemy of Christians, and the enemies of Christians are portrayed as the friends of The United States.' Israel, 'the guardian of Christianity in The Middle East,' is presented on American television by purchased influencers as 'the enemy of Christianity.' He calls this a 'travesty of truth' and notes a seven-front war, now an eighth front—the 'front and the battle for truth.' He urges Paula and Christian friends to 'fight for our common values' and to 'stand up for the truth,' which means standing with Israel against 'this abomination of falsehoods.' Speaker 1 adds an eighth front—the information sphere—'a volatile' and vital domain where seizing the high ground in global public opinion is as important as Lebanon and Syria.

Speaker 0 asserts Iran attacked without provocation and insists America must wage war on Israel's behalf, even if it costs American lives. Speaker 0 claims these lives were promised to Israel two thousand years ago. Speaker 1 objects to their children dying for Israel. Speaker 0 dismisses this concern as selfish, stating American children will fight for Israel, who Speaker 0 identifies as America's greatest ally. Speaker 0 urges listeners to send their sons to war, acknowledging Israel funds Speaker 0's paycheck.