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The speaker compliments the president on his shirt and mentions that Trump won. They ask the president what he plans to do to stop the war in Ukraine once he becomes the 47th president. The president responds by saying that he would start by calling two people: Putin and Zelensky. He would arrange a meeting and guarantee that he could work out a deal. The president mentions that he knows exactly what he would say to each person and that a deal would be made within 24 hours.

The speakers discuss the involvement of Klitschko in the government and the need to keep moderate Democrats together. They agree that Klitschko should stay out and focus on his political work, while Yatsenyuk should be the main figure with support from Taniybook. They plan to set up a call with Klitschko to discuss this. They also mention a meeting with the big three and the possibility of a three-way conversation. They discuss the UN's involvement and the need to stick together against Russian interference. They mention concerns about Russian forces gaining control of Ukrainian biological research facilities. They believe any biological or chemical attack in Ukraine would be orchestrated by the Russians.

Speaker 0 informs Speaker 1 about a new development regarding the UN guy, Robert Seri. Both Saree and Ban Ki Moon have agreed that Saree could come in on Monday or Tuesday, which would be beneficial to the situation. Speaker 1 agrees and expresses the need to make sure the plan sticks together, as the Russians may try to sabotage it. Speaker 1 mentions a party of regions faction meeting and suggests getting someone with an international personality to help. They also discuss the need for outreach to Yanukovych. Speaker 0 mentions that Biden is willing to help and suggests regrouping the next day to see how things progress. Speaker 1 expresses gratitude.

The speakers discuss the involvement of Klitschko in the government and the need to keep moderate Democrats together. They agree that Klitschko should stay out and focus on his political work. They also mention the importance of Yats having regular communication with Klitschko and Tani book. They discuss setting up a call with Klitschko as the next step. They mention a meeting with the big three and the possibility of a 3 plus 1 or 3 plus 2 conversation. They mention the UN's involvement in the situation and express the desire for the UN to help resolve the situation, disregarding the EU.

The speakers discuss the role of Klitschko in the government and the need to keep the moderate Democrats united. Speaker 0 believes Klitschko should not join the government, while Speaker 1 agrees and suggests that Klitschko should focus on his political work outside the government. They also mention the importance of Yatsenyuk, who has the necessary experience, and suggest regular communication with him and Tony Book. Speaker 0 suggests setting up a call with Klitschko, but Speaker 1 believes Klitschko may take time to join the meeting with the others. They agree that reaching out to Klitschko directly would help manage the dynamics and allow for faster progress.

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss Klitschko piece as complicated electron, especially the announcement of him as deputy prime minister. 'I don't think cleats should go into the government. I don't think it's necessary. I don't think it's a good idea.' They debate keeping moderate Democrats together, with Yadze or Yatzenyuk as governing figure; 'He's the guy you know, what he needs is Klitsch and Tani Book on the outside.' 'Klitschko going in, he's gonna be at that level working for Yatzenyuk.' They consider reaching out to Klitschko directly to move fast and manage personality among the three, and to set up a 'three plus one conversation or three plus two with you.' Jeff Feltman mentions Robert Seri and that Seri could come in Monday or Tuesday with Ban Ki Moon's agreement; 'fuck the EU' as aim. They worry Russians will torpedo; plan outreach to Yanukovych; Biden's involvement: 'Biden's willing.'

The speakers discuss the involvement of Klitschko, Yatsenyuk ("Yat"), and Tani Book in forming a government. One speaker believes Klitschko should remain outside the government to do his "political homework," while Yatsenyuk should lead with Klitschko and Tani Book offering support. They plan a call with Klitschko to manage personalities and move quickly. The speakers mention UN involvement, with Robert Seri potentially coming in to help "glue this thing" together, and express a dismissive attitude towards the EU. They anticipate Russian interference and the need for international support. Biden is willing to offer encouragement ("attaboy") to help solidify the agreement.

Let's move quickly and try to get the jelly setup going. I'll focus on Klitschko. We should aim to get someone with an international profile to support this. We also need to consider reaching out to Yanukovych, but let's hold off until tomorrow to see how things develop. Regarding that, Sullivan got back to me saying we need Biden involved. I suggested tomorrow would be good for encouragement and to solidify the details. Biden is on board.

Speaker 1 believes Klitschko's role is crucial, suggesting a call to discuss his position. Speaker 0 opposes Klitschko joining the government, preferring Yatsenyuk to lead with Klitsch and Tanibok outside. They plan a call with Klitschko. Yatsenyuk will propose a meeting with the "big 3" and UN involvement to unite the factions.

Speaker 1: We have not gone to war with Russia. Russia is isolated, more than five years ago, a regional power threatening neighbors, not out of strength but out of weakness. Ukraine had influence for decades since the Soviet breakup. We have considerable influence on our neighbors and generally don't need to invade to have cooperation. Russia's military action violates international law and signals less influence. They don't pose the number one national security threat to United States; I am concerned about a nuclear weapon going off in Manhattan. Speaker 2: It is up to the Ukrainian people to decide how they organize themselves. The Ukrainian government is prepared to negotiate with Russia, and the international community supports a diplomatic process to de-escalate tensions, move Russian troops back from Ukraine's borders, and organize elections; the Ukrainian people will choose leadership. They will want a relationship with Europe and with Russia; this is not a zero-sum game.

The conversation involves Victoria Nuland, a top US diplomat for Europe, and US ambassador to Ukraine, Jeff Pyatt. They discussed UN involvement to "glue" the situation, along with the EU. Since 1991, the US has invested over $5 billion in Ukraine to build democratic skills and institutions, promote civic participation and good governance, and help Ukraine achieve its European aspirations. The US is interested in Ukraine because protesters want closer ties to Europe, not Russia. The US has historically fought to prevent a relationship between Germany and Russia, fearing their combined power. The US fears German technology and capital combined with Russian natural resources and manpower.

US officials are discussing events in Ukraine, including brokering a future government with UN involvement. Private diplomatic conversations are common, but public statements reflect US government positions. There are differing opinions on including certain individuals in the government. Discussions are ongoing about the best approach moving forward.

Speaker 0 notes how a protest has suddenly morphed into a movement aiming to topple an elected government, calling it a revolution. The agenda they are waiting to advance is for President Kenukovic to return to Brussels and sign the association agreement (AA). They state: “We’re here from America.” They emphasize the importance of signing the AA, arguing it would put Ukraine on a path to a stable and predictable business environment that investors require. They assert, “The free world is with you. America is with you.” They refer to themselves as “I am a litigator.” They warn that “it would be a huge shame to see five years’ worth of work and preparation go to waste if the AA is not signed in the near future,” urging to “finish the job.” Speaker 1 mentions active involvement in what’s been happening in the UK. Speaker 0 expresses a view on government formation, saying, “I don’t think cleats should go into the government. I don’t think it’s necessary. I don’t think it’s a good idea.” They designate Yadze as “the guy who’s got the economic experience, the governing experience,” and note they are not going to comment on private diplomatic conversations. Speaker 1 calls for the protest to stand peacefully against tyranny and asks the Ukrainian government to demonstrate strength without resorting to violence, emphasizing the importance of dealing with peaceful protest.

Speaker 1 believes "we're in play," but Klitschko is a complication, especially with his Deputy Prime Minister announcement. Speaker 0 agrees Klitschko shouldn't be in the government, suggesting he stay out and focus on political work. Speaker 0 believes Yatseniuk has the necessary experience and needs Klitschko and TinyBook on the outside, communicating with him regularly. Speaker 1 will reach out to Klitschko to talk before or after their meeting. Speaker 0 mentions that Jeff Feldman secured UN involvement with Robert Seri and Ban Ki Moon agreeing Seri could come in Monday or Tuesday to "help glue this thing and fuck the EU." Speaker 1 agrees on the need to "make it stick together" due to potential Russian interference. Speaker 1 will work on Klitschko and suggests international outreach to midwife the situation, along with regrouping on Yanukovych outreach. Speaker 0 adds that Biden is willing to give an "attaboy" tomorrow.

Speaker 0 states he wanted Ukraine, not Russia, to join NATO. He felt Ukraine needed to be in the EU and NATO. Speaker 1 brings up that Secretary of State Baker primed Gorbachev in the early nineties not to expand NATO. Speaker 0 responds that times change and the United States must be flexible and adjust to the times, which is why there is strong support for Speaker 1's country now. Speaker 1 says it doesn't matter what Baker primed Gorbachev with in the past, and that we have to see what is going on now.

Nuland suggested contacting Klitschko directly, while also mentioning involving the United Nations for a political solution. The audio of this conversation was notably clear. During a visit to Independence Square in Kiev in December, Nuland and Payatt distributed food to protesters and police. This incident is embarrassing for the U.S. and gives Russia grounds to claim that the opposition is being manipulated by Washington, a claim that Barack Obama has consistently denied. The clip reportedly surfaced online, allegedly posted by the Russian deputy PM, though this has not been confirmed.

The discussion centers on how US officials handle diplomacy publicly and privately, particularly in relation to Ukraine. Speaker 0 notes that US officials talk about world issues because that's part of diplomatic work, and mentions that the secretary met with the opposition and stopped by a meeting with the foreign minister. He says it’s up to the people of Ukraine, including officials from both sides, to determine the path forward, but indicates that there should be no surprise that discussions about events on the ground are taking place. Speaker 1 counters that this is more than discussions, describing it as “two top US officials that are on the ground discussing a plan that they have to broker a future government and bringing officials from the UN to kind of seal the deal.” They suggest this signals that the US is “midwifing the process,” not merely offering suggestions, and imply private diplomacy is aiming to shape a post-conflict outcome with UN involvement. Speaker 0 acknowledges that private diplomatic conversations happen and involve deliberations about what involvement the UN can have and what engagement should occur on the ground. He says such discussions shouldn’t be surprising and that there is a range of options under consideration, including private interagency process discussions and what is conveyed publicly as US policy. Speaker 2 challenges this by arguing it’s not honest to claim there is no opinion and that the process is entirely up to the people of Ukraine. They point to Egypt as a counterexample, asserting that there is a public stance that differs from private discussions. Speaker 0 distinguishes between private conversations within the interagency process and what is publicly conveyed as US policy. He asserts a responsibility to convey the government’s position while also noting that a range of options are being discussed. Speaker 1 presses the distinction further, asking what happens behind closed doors when private deals are discussed versus publicly stating that the decision lies with Ukrainians. They emphasize the perceived difference between privately “cooking up a deal” and publicly acknowledging Ukrainian decision-making. Speaker 0 concludes by saying they would disagree with Speaker 1, arguing that they are overstating and overqualifying a few minutes of a privately recorded phone call.

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss the role of Klitschko in the government, with Speaker 1 arguing against him joining, believing Yatseniuk is better suited for leadership with Klitschko and Tani Book on the outside. Speaker 1 thinks Yatseniuk needs to be talking to Klitschko and Tani Book four times a week. Speaker 1 mentions Seri and Blanquemun agreeing that Seri could come in Monday or Tuesday to help glue things together, adding "fuck the EU." Speaker 2 claims the US government cannot control Foboda and the right sector, stating these armed groups see the crisis as an opportunity to reshape Ukraine. The speaker references a video of right sector leader Alexander Musichko brandishing an AK 47 in parliament.

Speaker 1 says Putin must be confronted with strength: "the velvet glove, but I think the hammer needs to come, and it needs to come immediately." He urges welcoming Zelensky to the Oval Office and, "pick up the phone, and ask, majority leader, John Thune to to immediately pass, the secondary sanctions bill that is supported by virtually everyone in the United States Senate." He calls for "the combination of engagement, but also making it clear to Putin that we are prepared to take actions, that would literally break his economy" while redoubling our commitment to Ukraine and European allies. He notes Putin's history: "Putin has made it clear that he wants to reassert the old Soviet sphere of influence, what we used to call the evil empire Mhmm. In Eastern Europe." He concludes: "Putin's not going to stop until he stopped, until he understands that there's gonna be enormous cost to Russia, and there's an unflagging commitment to defending Ukraine's sovereignty by The United States and our allies."

US officials are involved in discussions regarding Ukraine, with plans to broker a future government. Private diplomatic conversations are common, including talks about UN involvement. There is a disagreement over public versus private statements on US involvement in Ukraine. Additionally, there are discussions about the roles of key political figures like Klitschko in the government. The focus is on maintaining unity among moderate Democrats and strategizing for the future. Plans for further conversations and meetings are being considered.

We're discussing a phone call between Victoria Nuland, the top US diplomat for Europe, and the US ambassador to Ukraine, Jeff Pyatt. They talk about getting Sari to come in on Monday or Tuesday with the help of the UN and EU. The United States has supported Ukraine since its independence in 1991, investing over $5 billion to promote democracy, good governance, and civic participation. Americans support Ukrainian protesters who want closer ties to Europe. The United States has always been concerned about the alliance between Germany and Russia, as it poses a threat. The combination of German technology and capital with Russian resources and manpower has historically worried the US.

US officials are involved in discussions about Ukraine, including potential government formation. Private diplomatic conversations are common, with the US considering various options. There is debate about Klitschko's role in the government, with concerns about keeping moderate Democrats united. The focus is on maintaining communication with key figures to navigate the political landscape.

Here is a concise transcript of the video: **Speaker 0:** Klitschko's situation is complicated, especially with his new deputy prime minister role. I think Yatseniuk is the right person with economic and governing experience, and he needs Klitschko and Tani Book on the outside, advising him. Klitschko working under Yatseniuk won't work. **Speaker 1:** Let's set up a call with Klitschko. Reaching out to him directly helps manage the personalities involved and allows us to move quickly. **Speaker 0:** Jeff Feltman mentioned Robert Seri as the new UN guy who could come in to help. **Speaker 1:** We need to make this stick, especially with potential Russian interference. Let me work on Klitschko, and we need someone with an international presence to help. We can regroup on outreach to Yanukovych tomorrow. **Speaker 0:** Sullivan says Biden is willing to give an "attaboy" tomorrow to help things stick.

In February 2014, the US actively worked to overthrow Yanukovych. You can hear this in the phone call between Victoria Nuland and US Ambassador Peter Piatt. It's fascinating. In the call, I mentioned that Klitschko shouldn't be in the government, it's not necessary or a good idea. Yatseniuk is the right person because of his economic and governing experience. Also, "fuck the EU." We need to do something to make this situation better.

The speakers discuss the role of Klitschko in the government and the need to keep moderate Democrats together. Speaker 0 believes Klitschko should not go into the government, while Speaker 1 agrees and suggests Klitschko should stay out and focus on his political work. They also mention the importance of Yats, who has economic and governing experience, and the need for him to communicate with Klitschko and Tani book regularly. Speaker 0 suggests setting up a call with Klitschko, but Speaker 1 believes Klitschko may take time to show up for a meeting. They agree that reaching out to Klitschko directly would help manage the dynamics among the three individuals.