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The speaker argues that online discourse on Israel is split into two extreme camps and that US politics mirrors this division, creating a harmful national distraction. To heal the relationship and conversation, four steps are proposed: 1) Global perspective: The United States is a 350,000,000-strong powerhouse; Israel is tiny with 9,000,000 people and few natural resources. The US has spent at least $30,000,000,000 defending Israel since 10/07/2023, and about $300,000,000,000 overall; two THAAD batteries in Israel represent a quarter of the world’s supply. Prominent claims: "The United States needs Israel" and "Israel could not survive without The United States." 2) Self-respect: stop being treated as a client state; cited incidents include Pollard and Israeli officers in the Pentagon; Netanyahu's "I control Donald Trump" remark. 3) Citizenship: end dual citizenship; APAC to register under FAIR. 4) Theology: reject Christian Zionism; "the chosen people in Christianity are those who choose Jesus."

“If their government came out and said, we have a five year plan to decouple from USAID, would that help people's view of Israel if they said, hey, we want to be self reliant? Absolutely.” “We're now gonna decouple over the next five years and and basically transition.” “319,000,000,000 being sent to Israel over all these years, that's comparable to the amount we've sent to Ukraine.” “I believe Israel has a right to exist. I believe that they are the only state in that region with the right to exist.” “But why are we treating them differently than any other ally? Should we not be judging them, holding them to the same standard?” “Do you find it persuasive when the Israeli tourism board is bragging about how many gay pride parades they have in Tel Aviv?” “No.”

"it's not antisemitic to talk about this, and it's not antisemitic to question any foreign country's government secular government, including Israel." "We fund a lot of other countries' borders better than we fund our own." "it's over $800,000,000,000,000, actually, close to 900,000,000,000,000 is the total bill." "the 500,000,000 for Israel." "They already received $3,400,000,000 annually every single year through the State Department." "Taiwan for 500,000,000 and for Jordan for 500,000,000 as well." "There's 15,000,000 in there for AIDS prevention education activities." "America's broke. We're $37,000,000,000,000 in debt." "we just can't pay for the world anymore." "Not being an isolationist. That's actually being smart and serving the people that that pay for all of this stuff and have been chained into 37,000,000,000,000 in debt." "And that's not being mean to foreign people and foreign countries, but America's broke."

"If Bibi Netanyahu, if he does something I don't like and if I criticize it, am I, like, a bad Christian? Absolutely not." "What I find strange is that we're able to criticize the American government sometimes in the Christian world with more freedom than the Israeli government." "To be pro Israel means you believe in the nation of Israel Mhmm. Not necessarily the government of Israel." "When you when Joe Biden was president, you and I were what we loved America, but we detested our government. And those two those two things beautifully coexisted." "Exactly. And what they don't want is they don't wanna be called bad Christians Mhmm." "If they challenge a foreign government, which is what happens so often. Right. Like you're a bad Christian if you have a question about a foreign government." "Right. That creates backlash that I don't think people understand."

He's using The United States, its economy and its military power for his own ends. What's remarkable to me is how effective he's been at that and how contemptuous he is. I don't know if you've seen this video of him. He asked the journalist to turn off the camera, and the journalist left it running. And he goes, '80% of Americans this is an old one. 80% of Americans support us.' It's not only common, it's generally the rule. And for Christianity especially, which is very galling. It's not 3,000,000,000 a year, it's tens of billions a year. BB is completely evil and completely destructive. He's not the only world leader who's evil and destructive by the way, again, but he is. And he's hurting The United States and he's destroying his own country and I think he imperils the world. Ted Cruz says, 'I was elected. My main goal was to help Israel.' This is deranged. Where's our self respect? I can't control Bibi Netanyahu. You cannot reelect the Ted Cruz. Not because they're evil, but because they've betrayed their most basic commitment, which is to our country.

Speaker 0 argues that "Israel's our greatest ally. We should never ask anything of them." They echo: "Protecting Israel's most important thing. They're our only real ally." They question, "If they're our only real ally, why does Israel have a long history of transferring military technology, including American military technology to China? To China?" and ask, "Why is China running the Port Of Haifa, Israel's biggest port?" They claim "From Israel's perspective, we're not a close ally" and "The loyalty is not requited. It's one way." They say Netanyahu "has pushed it too far" and that "the governor of Israel, in particular, the prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, has pushed it too far." They add "I control Donald Trump. I control the United States Congress. I control The United States." They cite Trump on West Bank annexation: "No. I will not allow it. It's not gonna happen." and "I will not allow Israel to annex the West Bank." The speaker concludes "It's been enough. It's time to stop" and that "This is why Donald Trump has lost support over this Israel question."

Speaker expresses disbelief at why Netanyahu—"an absolutely disgusting warmonger, who has dragged us into terrible wars, who is committing massive war crimes"—gets 57 standing ovations in the US Congress. He asks if the causes are "the APAC lobby, the Israel lobby? Well, partly," "Is it blackmail by Israel? Because there's no doubt a lot of credible claims of Epstein and more about blackmail," "Is it direct bribes?" "Is it fear of American politicians?" "Is it the mainstream media, which for a lot of reasons owned by a lot of billionaires that tend to be rather arted Zionists?" "Is it the larger Christian Zionist vote base, which is also a real thing?" He says, "none of it really adds up." "it's not in America's interest" to be "isolated in the world together with a murderous rogue state." He calls Israel "the most lawless state in the whole world right now," "at war in seven fronts." He notes UN exposure: "the UN... Israeli politicians come and they yell at the whole rest of the world," while "the US representative says, yes. Yes. We we are with Israel." Finally: "first, it's disgusting. Second, it is no rational basis. And third, if it is the money, the lobbying, the mass media propaganda, the really strange beliefs of some people, whatever it is, even all of that, doesn't add up because a president of The United States should be able to figure this out a little bit better."

Online discussion about Israel splits into two camps: pro- and anti-Jewish rhetoric, with few voices urging secular perspective. In the US, debate mirrors this, though Israel is geopolitically small and not critical to American security. The speaker offers four fixes: 1) Perspective: the US is a 350-million powerhouse; Israel 9 million with few resources. Two THAAD batteries, a quarter of world’s supply, are in Israel; since 10/07/2023 the US has spent at least $30 billion defending Israel; total aid to Israel about $300 billion; Egypt’s aid occurs at Israel’s request. 2) Self-respect: stop being bossed by a client state; Pollard, USS Liberty, Israeli officers; Netanyahu interference; Trump pushing back on annexation. 3) Citizenship: end dual citizenship; divest from foreign military service; APAC registration; disclose foreign influence. 4) Theology: Christianity’s universal message; critique of support for Israel as heresy; the chosen are those who choose Jesus; warns against using religion to justify killing innocents.

The transcript centers on a chaotic, on-the-ground interview set around a political event described as America First, with strong pro- and anti-Israel sentiments and tensions about free speech and enforcement. - Inside the event, Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss being kicked out and the mystery of why someone was trespassed. They question why they were removed, claiming they were curious about the treatment of the other person and asserting, “There’s no reason you’re getting kicked out.” - The speakers insist on the idea of free speech in America, contrasting it with what they see as limits on criticizing Israel. They reference Candace Owens’ planned appearance and note that Turning Point disavowed her views, stating the organization “does not sponsor her views” and that she’s “not an employee,” implying a hypocrisy in defending free speech while limiting critique of Israel. - There is a recurring theme that Israel is being criticized as a global issue, with claims that “Israel’s leadership be kissing our wall” and assertions that Israel is prosecuting a genocide in Gaza. They state numbers and condemnations, including claims that “they’ve killed 30,000 women and children,” and accuse Israel of using U.S. money and bombs. - The conversation shifts to Christian concerns, arguing that Christians are harmed by Israeli policy—citing that Israel vandalizes Christian churches, bomb Christians in Gaza, and bans the gospel. They argue that if Israel is the “holy land for Christians,” its actions contradict that claim, labeling the land “the devil’s land in Israel” and asserting that “they hate Jesus.” - The speakers discuss anti-Semitism laws, noting that Republicans in multiple states have backed anti-Semitism measures and that there are efforts in Congress and the Department of Education. They claim the definition of anti-Semitism has been broadened to prohibit statements like, for example, saying that Jews killed Jesus, referencing what they describe as the Passion narratives. - Personal beliefs and identity come into play, including an exchange about who should lead, with Speaker 0 saying Christians should be central, and Speaker 1 emphasizing that the country should be Christian and that “Christ is the king of the world,” advocating for Christian leadership in America. - The group comments on the ease of entry and exit from the event, noting that security is visible and that protesters are across the street in a designated protest area. They mention plans to possibly debate Charlie Kirk on the issue, and discuss the internal dynamics of the movement, criticizing figures like Brooke Rollins and JD Vance as part of a broader critique that “America First” has been undermined by insiders. - The conversation ends with plans to leave the scene, take photos, and reconnect with their driver, signaling a departure from the event after a brief appearance and confrontation. They reference future actions, including potential debates and continued protests, and acknowledge the frustration of the current situation.

"Israel is in a fight for their lives." "I am tired of the word genocide." "If Israel wanted to commit genocide, they could. They have the capability to do that. They choose not to." "Hamas, they would commit genocide in thirty seconds. They just can't." "Israel is our friend. They're the most reliable friend we have in the Mideast." "A word of warning, if America pulls the plug on Israel, God will pull the plug on us." "October 7 was an effort to destroy the state of Israel, the largest loss of Jewish life since the holocaust, and here we are almost two years later and Israel's the bad guy." "Israel's the bad guy." "The bad guys are the radical Islamists who would kill everybody in this room if they could."

"If Bibi Netanyahu, if he does something I don't like and if I criticize it, am I, like, a bad Christian? Absolutely not." "What I find strange is that we're able to criticize the American government sometimes in the Christian world with more freedom than the Israeli government." "To be pro Israel means you believe in the nation of Israel Mhmm. Not necessarily the government of Israel." "When you when Joe Biden was president, you and I were what we loved America, but we detested our government." "You never you never once said, hey, I'm I'm out on America. On America's right." "And what they don't want is they don't wanna be called bad Christians Mhmm." "If they challenge a foreign government, which is what happens so often. Right. Like you're a bad Christian if you have a question about a foreign government."

"And that suits the Israelis just fine." "And if you're wondering why there's an awful lot of lunatic antisemitic comment about Israel online, you have to wonder how much of that is organic." "But how much of it is not organic at all?" "How much of that is being ginned up on purpose to make legitimate questions about the US government's relationship with the government of Israel seem like crackpot stuff, like hate, like David Duke level lunacy?" "Probably some because it serves their interest." "And so the true shame here, the actual villain in the story is the leadership of The United States that is putting up with serial humiliation for decades." "You'd think every country would act that way, and most do." "And for what reason? So if there's someone to be mad at, it's our leaders."

Speaker claims: "Israel has an overwhelming lobby over the United States government, and we have unconditionally supported them." He cites "BB Netanyahu came to our congress in the nineties, told us a list of countries that we need to take out. Some were Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, etcetera." He adds "Through those wars, we have lost trillions of dollars" and "We have lost American servicemen." He asserts "They don't teach about the USS Liberty, where Israel literally came, blew up an American ship because they want us to get in their war with, Egypt and they don't teach that in school." He asks "Why is there this societal taboo around criticisms of Israel? For example, APAC doesn't have to register as a foreign lobby, but like the Australia lobby does. And the it just That should be changed. I That should be corrected." Finally, "Look. I I am not gonna say Israel should have any special privileges. None."

"Israel is the only country I know of that has some sort of incredible influence and control over nearly every single one of my colleagues." "Because APAC are Americans, therefore, they can legally donate to members of congress and senators." "Freshman, member of congress, or first year in congress, they take them on a very special trip to Israel in August." "That's Dems the and Republicans or just Republicans? They take both of them. Yes." "So they take them on this trip to Israel." "They wear the, kippah." "They and even though they're Christians. They're they're not Jewish, but yet they're adorning, Jewish attire, and they're at these Jewish, religious sites." "The Israeli government is secular." "This is not the biblical Israel." "It is the secular government of Israel."

"this is a good thing because it brings The United States into a conflict that we've been involved in on an existential level for decades." "There was an Israeli spy ring in The United States, and they clearly knew nine eleven was coming." "They aired it." "They're real people." "They're not crazy." "Those are factually true statements." "How many Shiite terror attacks have there been in The United States in my lifetime? Let me do the math." "Zero." "Don't tell me that the greatest threat we face is Iran. That's a lie." "You're telling it on behalf of a foreign power." "Iran is not even in the top 10 list." "Our problems would include tens of millions of foreign nationals living illegally in my country." "Nobody knows their identities." "A drug crisis that's killed millions of Americans over the past twenty years." "My family was attacked." "It's true." "And everyone kind of knows it's true."

"Israel controls the media now." "There will be no dispute about this." "The fact that you have a foreign leader it's incredible." "You have a foreign leader who is sitting up there saying that he wants his agents, he needs the deal to go through, which, by the way, let's call out Donald Trump right now, all of the acting." "We don't want China! We don't want China to own TikTok, and don't worry about your data." "No, you wanted to hand it over to your Zionist friends. It was all a mirage. Okay? It was all theater." "Donald Trump has sold us out to Israel once again."

"Here's what Democrats are going to what Jewish Democrats or Jews in general are going to have to make a decision." "Until you crush the cultural Marxist lens of which they view the world, you will never actually be able to build support for Israel." "You cannot subsidize support and play footsie with cultural Marxism and have a future for the state of Israel, so you have to choose." "And Jews have been some of the largest funders of cultural Marxist ideas and supporters of those ideas over the last thirty or forty years." "Stop supporting causes that hate you." "Until you cleanse that ideology from the hierarchy and the academic elite of the West, there will not be a safe future." "Until you shed that ideology, you will not be able to build the case for Israel because they view Israel as an oppressor."

Online Israel discourse splits into two extremes: 'deranged Taliban level ethno narcissists' and 'those who hate Jews'—with few conventional Christian voices urging a secular, non-judgmental stance. The four steps to health: 1) Global perspective: US 350,000,000 with vast resources; Israel 9,000,000 with no meaningful resources; 'two THAAD missile batteries in Israel... a quarter of the world's total supply.' Since 10/07/2023, 'the United States has spent at minimum $30,000,000,000 defending Israel' and around $300,000,000,000 over its existence; Egypt is also involved; India and China rivals. 2) Self-respect: stop being ordered around by a client state; Netanyahu says 'I control Donald Trump' and 'I control The United States Congress.' 3) Citizenship: restore equality; end dual citizenship; 'APAC should register under FARA.' 4) Theology: reject Christian claims that DNA-based chosenness is legitimate; 'the chosen people are those who choose Jesus' and 'God will pull the plug on us' if you don't support Israel.

The transcript presents a fringe, highly charged discussion about perceived Israeli influence in the United States, Trump’s shift from “America first” to “Israel first,” and related political dynamics. The speakers repeatedly claim that Israel controls the U.S. government and American foreign policy, with several variations such as “Israel's controlling our government,” “Israel controls us,” and “The government of Israel controls The United States.” They assert that Israel has run American foreign policy for thirty years and that the United States government is taking edicts from Israel, describing it as an “Israel first administration.” As the discussion progresses, the speakers describe discomfort with America’s relationship with Israeli leaders, calling the Israeli government a “satanic regime” and suggesting it seeks to cause pain. They contrast Trump’s campaign promises of “America first” with his alleged current actions, arguing that he has escalated a war on behalf of Israel and turned on earlier allies who did not toe the Israel-first line. They claim Trump has allied with politicians and influencers who are unpopular with his former base, and that he endorses a “massive war on behalf of Israel that he promised he would never start.” They point to specific figures affected by these changes, including those who supported or criticized Trump and Israel. The discussion names individuals and entities linked to the shift, including Charlie Kirk. They claim Kirk was influential against the Iran war and withdrew support for Israel prior to his death; Erica Kirk allegedly took over TPUSA to continue Charlie Kirk’s legacy but allegedly did so in a way that opposes Kirk’s earlier stance, endorsing Massey’s Israel-funded opponent and labeling Massey a “rhino.” They argue donors pressured Kirk to change his stance, leading TPUSA to distance itself from Kirk’s legacy and to align with an Israel-funding candidate backed by Trump. The speakers claim broad consequences for Trump’s base: those who call for justice with the Epstein files, those suspicious of Israel, and those who question Erica Kirk are said to have been blackballed or marginalized. Conversely, supporters of the new Trump are described as urging to move on from Epstein, unconditionally supporting Israel, and reacting strongly to any critique of Erica Kirk. A recurring theme is a critique of Zionism as a political ideology; the speakers distinguish between “Israel” and “Zionism” and argue Zionism controls both the U.S. and Israel. They challenge religious claims that Israel is “God’s chosen people,” offering a Christian critique of that idea and asserting separations of church and state in the U.S. The discussion includes references to alleged silencing mechanisms, narrative control, and tribalism as a “SIOP” framework, describing three characteristics: silencing opposing ideas, a strong narrative, and tribalism. They illustrate these with examples such as censorship of anti-Israel sentiment or questions about Israel, accusations about a fixed narrative like “Israel is our greatest ally,” and the exclusion of dissenting voices. The speakers conclude by asserting that while Israel does not control the U.S., Zionism appears to influence both countries, and that the root issue is the influence of Zionism rather than a single country’s leadership. They urge viewers to speak up while suggesting the changes reflect a broader, troubling shift in political power, ending with a night-time sign-off and personal recovery product plugs being referenced but later deemphasized.

The issue is a lot of the personnel problems are still there, but at a more subtle. "An ambassador Huckabee, to me, is still part of that same grouping in terms of the damage it can do in our foreign policy." "There were tweets from several weeks ago where he was attacking The UK prime minister, ambassador was." "we're burning diplomatic capital left and right. Australia, The UK, Canada, with all these US allies considering recognizing the Palestinian state, and we're going out there attacking them one by one on behalf of Israel." "I’m for moving in a bunch of different radical directions, like banning high interest loans." "But what I'm not in favor of is moving in radical directions on behalf of a foreign country whose interests are not the same as ours."

Speaker 0 argues that Israel is 'our greatest ally' and that 'we should never ask anything of them,' while claiming 'Israel has a long history of transferring military technology, including American military technology to China' and that 'China is running the Port Of Haifa, Israel's biggest port.' He contends loyalty is one-way, and that Netanyahu 'has pushed it too far' by claiming 'I control Donald Trump. I control the United States Congress. I control The United States.' The clip shows Trump pushing back on annexing the West Bank, saying, 'I will not allow Israel to annex the West Bank. No. I will not allow it. It's not gonna happen.' The piece links waning support, especially among young voters, to humiliation from 'a tiny foreign power,' concluding, 'That's why Donald Trump has lost support over this Israel question, and he knows that, and he's pushing back.'

Speakers discuss Netanyahu’s influence: "He's using The United States, its economy, and its military power for his own ends." They note it's common but "remarkable how effective he's been at that and how contemptuous he is." "80% of Americans support us." They warn U.S. support is "tens of billions a year." "Phoebe Netanyahu is a foreigner." Concerns about Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz surface: "Ted Cruz says right into the camera, I was elected. My main goal was to help Israel." They argue antisemitism is "a dodge" and that "anti Semitism very often is a way to pass the buck. It's their fault." They contend Netanyahu is a threat—"I think that clearly they're gonna try and blow up Al Aqsa Mosque" to "build the third temple"—and ask, "Where's our self respect?" "I am way, way more angry at my leaders than I am at Netanyahu."

Two main online camps: ethnonarcissists who equate criticism of Israel with blood libel, and anti-Semites who condemn Jews by virtue of Jewishness. Few conventional Christians offer a secular, non-judgmental view. In the US, the debate mirrors this, though Israel is small and not critical to our national security, yet receives outsized attention and aid. There are two THAAD batteries in Israel—"a quarter of the world's total supply"—and since 10/07/2023 the US has spent at least $30,000,000,000 defending Israel, with about $300,000,000,000 total historically. Critics cite Nikki Haley's "The United States needs Israel" and Netanyahu's "I control Donald Trump." Four proposed fixes: 1) global perspective; 2) self-respect and stop being ordered around by a client state; 3) restore citizenship (no dual citizenship; foreign military service); 4) correct Christian theology, rejecting DNA-based chosenness as heresy.

He's using The United States, its economy, and its military power for his own ends. What's remarkable to me is how effective he's been at that and how contemptuous he is. "80% of Americans this is an old one. 80% of Americans support us." "BB is completely evil and completely destructive." "He's hurting The United States and he's destroying his own country and I think he imperils the world." "They're gonna try and blow up Al Aqsa Mosque" "to build the third temple, and then you've got global war." "No, I am way, way more angry at my leaders than I am at Netanyahu. Much it's not even close." "Ted Cruz says right into the camera, I was elected. My main goal was to help Israel." "Where's our self respect?" "anti Semitism very often is a way to pass the buck." "It's their fault." "Why are we allowing this?"