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The speaker mentions that a former head of military intelligence in Israel was friendly with Epstein. They point out that there is no evidence provided to support the claim that Israel was involved in running Epstein. They mention that Maxwell worked for Israel and Epstein worked for Maxwell, and that Epstein was introduced to Maxwell's daughter and Israeli intelligence.

Epstein was building control files using sex entrapment and laundering money. $21 trillion disappeared from the Department of Defense (DOD) and Housing and Urban Development (HUD) while Epstein was operating. Rubin, who became Secretary of Treasury, took Epstein to the White House in 1994. After Rubin went to Treasury, money started disappearing and Epstein's wealth ballooned. Epstein was laundering money coming out of DOD. His relationships with Mossad and Israeli intelligence are relevant, as Mossad was taking over DOD while money went missing. Cybersecurity and IT in the Israeli constellation were active in government at that time. If the Epstein files are released, people will connect Epstein, Mossad, the growing power of Israel and APAC, and the location of pension fund money. The institution that laundered $20 trillion also ran Operation Warp Speed. If the Epstein files come out, people will connect too many dots, with dramatic ramifications for the financial system.

The speaker claims the Epstein pedophilia ring is a decades-long Mossad Israeli operative ring, dating back to the attack on the Liberty ship. Israel is described as America's greatest enemy, implicated in 9/11 and the stand down war. According to the speaker, Jeffrey Epstein was chosen by the Mossad as an agent of influence due to his narcissism and manipulability. Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of alleged Mossad operative Robert Maxwell, controlled Epstein. The speaker connects Nexium, run by Keith Raniere but controlled by the Bronfman family, to propagating pedophilia. Pedophilia is described as a tool to co-opt individuals, ensuring silence and denigrating both operatives and the issue. The speaker alleges the Mossad, under chiefs Kalevi and Yatom, used pedophilia to compromise American operatives, implicating figures from the Bush, Clinton, and Obama families. Epstein is portrayed as a willing participant, with Wexner as his backup.

The speaker asserts that there are thousands of hours of tape that are child pornography, and the FBI is not releasing them because the tapes do not show underage people with third parties on Epstein Island; according to the speaker, “those tapes are just child porn,” and that is why they are not being released. Regarding the Epstein list, the speaker says sources in the federal government have seen documents and claim there is no Epstein list. Instead, there is a “black book of Jeffrey Epstein contact,” and most of the contacts are already public, with names such as Prince Andrew or Alan Dershowitz commonly mentioned. The speaker claims that, according to the DOJ and the FBI, there is no evidence that any of those third parties were trafficking girls to them. The speaker then references Tucker Carlson asserting that Mossad was involved, noting that this is a hot internet speculation without evidence. In addressing this, Naftali Bennett, the former Israeli prime minister, is cited as stating with 100% certainty that the accusation Epstein “worked for Israel or the Mossad running a blackmail ring is categorically and totally false.” Bennett reportedly told the speaker that the Mossad has not been active in the United States since the Jonathan Pollard scandal of 1987, when a US army contractor working for the Navy revealed classified information to the Israeli government and was imprisoned for nearly thirty years. According to Bennett, Israel has not spied on the United States since then.

It is claimed that the Epstein business was heavily influenced by Mossad. The speaker asserts they witnessed Mossad take over the Pentagon in February 2002. According to the speaker, Mossad agents infiltrated the Pentagon without needing identification and had access to Douglas Fife, the undersecretary of defenses for policy, and occasionally Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of defense. The speaker relays that Donald Rumsfeld, the secretary of defense, allegedly stated that Mossad, not himself, ran the Pentagon.

John and Mario discuss the breadth and implications of the Epstein files, asserting that Epstein was an access agent connected to Mossad and deeply embedded with various intelligence actors. - Epstein as Mossad access agent and broader intelligence ties: - John asserts that Epstein’s status as a Mossad access agent is correct and that Epstein sought contact with the CIA, the FBI, the National Security Council, MI5, MI6, and even Russia’s Putin. He notes emails from Epstein’s side asking for private meetings with Putin, which were granted in a restricted form, while Epstein’s attorneys reportedly filed FOIA requests with the CIA and NSC about any association with them. - The conversation expands to consider broader pressure on the DOJ and the Trump administration to redact or withhold documents, with Congresswoman May mentioned as observing DOJ monitoring of her and colleagues. - The two discuss the idea that the “movers and shakers” in American culture and the billionaire/political class are driving the cover-up, with the implication that releases mandated by law have not been fully honored. - Death of Epstein and questions about the death/mortality: - Both speakers repeatedly state “Epstein did not kill himself,” noting the belief that he was murdered and cremated, preventing body examination. - They list several anomalies surrounding Epstein’s death: attempted suicide on July 23 with deleted footage, six days of suicide watch followed by removal from watch contrary to protocol, guards’ missed rounds, an empty cell with a removed cellmate who had been violent, an unmonitored call the day before death, and camera malfunctions on the day of death. - They discuss a decoy body used in the autopsy process and discrepancies in the autopsy report (ear shape, nose, and penis appearance) and a DOJ report dated a day earlier than publicized. The discussion includes the possibility of a decoy body to mislead reporters. - A forensic expert is cited, noting that the autopsy description described a normal penis, conflicting with accounts from a victim about a deformed penis. - Redactions, sources, and the release of documents: - They argue the released files overwhelm audiences and muddy facts, with millions of documents, of which only a fraction has been released; the rest remain redacted. - John explains FOIA processes and redaction rules (sources/methods, unindicted co-conspirators, victims’ privacy), emphasizing that there is little justification to redact content about Epstein himself since he is deceased. - They compare the redaction situation to the torture report, where redacted material obscures critical findings, and point out inconsistencies in what names are redacted (e.g., Les Wexner redacted as “Les” but not his full surname). - Libyan assets, Ukraine, and other financial angles: - A memo shows Epstein plotting to loot Libya’s frozen assets, with Greg Brown (former MI6 and Mossad connections mentioned) proposing to identify recovered assets and take 5–10% as compensation, with Libya’s reconstruction spending potentially exceeding $100 billion. - The discussion notes that the U.S. Treasury rewards those who facilitate repatriation of unfrozen assets, creating incentives for private actors with intelligence ties to pursue such recoveries. - A separate thread cites a 2014 Ukraine-related discussion where Epstein allegedly said the upheaval could provide opportunities; the Rothschilds are reported to have emailed Epstein about Ukraine and asset management strategies, implying Epstein represented the Rothschilds in asset opportunities. - They discuss the possibility that events like regime changes could be exploited for personal gain, with Epstein’s reputation management and potential money-motivated exploitation of geopolitical upheavals. - Honeypots, blackmail, and sex as an intelligence instrument: - The discussion covers claims of victims receiving death threats in Hebrew, and whether this indicates Mossad involvement or a private group using Hebrew phrasing to threaten. They argue Mossad has historically used threats and spying, and Epstein’s network could include others who leveraged sexual exploits for leverage. - They examine emails describing sexual activity in a transactional manner, with grainy surveillance footage capturing some redacted sexual content, suggesting a blackmail operation rather than simple perversion alone. - They consider whether Epstein’s sex life served as a bargaining chip for intelligence services, with Epstein’s protection and coercion potentially enabling illicit activity to be used for intelligence purposes. - Notable connections and individuals: - Fergie (Sarah, Duchess of York) is discussed as having close ties to Epstein, including emails referencing “marry me” and a period after his conviction; Prince Andrew is noted as heavily implicated in the broader Epstein network. - Howard Lutnick’s name appears in the documents; his denial of involvement with Epstein is highlighted as a potential discrepancy given the surrounding evidence. - The possibility that redacted materials could still reveal high-level connections or be weaponized against political figures is considered, with the overarching view that information could resurface or be released later to influence politics. - Final stance and ongoing investigation: - John maintains that Epstein’s role as an intelligence asset is supported by the files released to date and that more documents remain to be disclosed. He emphasizes that the situation involves intersecting intelligence communities, financial opportunism, and political exposure, with ongoing questions about the true extent of who knew what and who protected whom. The conversation closes with an acknowledgment that more files will likely be released, more information will emerge, and expert analysis will continue to evolve.

The speaker asserts that the Epstein business was heavily influenced by Mossad. They claim to have watched Mossad take over the Pentagon in 2002, stating the Pentagon was infiltrated by Mossad. They say Mossad did not need any identification to pass through the river entrance and went upstairs to Douglas Fife, the undersecretary of defense for policy, described as the third most powerful man in the Defense Department. They add that Mossad occasionally went to Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of defense and the second most powerful man. The speaker quotes Donald Rumsfeld telling their boss, “hell, I don't run my building. Mossad does.”

Speaker 0 argues that the American government is trapped by the Israelis, using Jeffrey Epstein as a tool to constrain and manipulate U.S. leaders. He claims Epstein was used to trap multiple presidents and influence policy, stating, “Bill Clinton, Ehud Barak met Arafat in the nineties, and there was no deal. The reason was Epstein. They were being blackmailed by Epstein.” He adds that Ehud Barak, then Israeli prime minister, was also “a friend of Epstein” but was blackmailed by the Israeli right wing, and that this pressure stopped a potential two-state solution with Arafat. He asserts Epstein’s leverage extended beyond sex to financial concerns, questioning, “Where was the money coming from?” and contends that the Gaza issue is the focal point of much of the obstruction. He cites Rupert Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal reporting a birthday card Trump sent to Epstein as evidence of ties, and claims that Israelis have compromised the American government through Epstein and related past events. He also states that “I don’t think Trump wants to continue this war or the genocide” and that Israelis are inhibiting him. Speaker 1 asks what Dershowitz’s denial suggests, prompting Speaker 0 to elaborate with broader conspiracy implications, suggesting that Israeli influence has shaped U.S. policy and history, including why peace deals or normalization efforts may have stalled. Speaker 1 questions why those in power would use Epstein instead of other drastic measures like assassination, referencing theories about John F. Kennedy’s assassination and noting the possibility of broader intelligence involvement. He proposes that the GCC countries could leverage financial power to supplant traditional APAC lobbying in influencing U.S. policy and asks whether Trump could mobilize Arab world and BRICS power to end what is described as genocide. Speaker 0 answers that Trump could end the genocide “right now” if he stops fearing the Israelis, urging him to disregard accusations about his ethics, “Let them say whatever they say. He should stop the genocide. Let them do whatever they wanna do. Morality should take over.” He compares the Israeli pressure to historical leverage, asking Trump to act in the interest of the United States and the Middle East. Speaker 1 references Robert Maxwell as an example of Israeli intimidation, noting the dangers of challenging them. Speaker 0 closes by reiterating hope that Trump will prioritize U.S. and Middle East interests and “do the right thing.”

Robert Maxwell, owner of the Daily Mirror, and his daughter Ghislaine were allegedly Israeli agents, according to the speaker. They introduced Jeffrey Epstein to Ghislaine Maxwell much earlier than reported. The speaker claims that Epstein's operation was designed to entrap politicians, policy makers, celebrities, and media figures to serve as assets for Israel. It essentially became an intelligence operation. Epstein allegedly trapped various politicians.

The speaker claims that AIPAC has bought the seats of 93 out of 100 senators, and that the other 6 are already pro-Zionist. They allege that Jeffrey Epstein ran a child sex trafficking and blackmail operation on behalf of Mossad, targeting figures like Bill Clinton. The speaker suggests that Monica Lewinsky, who is Jewish, was part of a Mossad operation to blackmail Bill Clinton during the Oslo Accords and the Jonathan Pollard situation. They claim Benjamin Netanyahu had phone recordings of Lewinsky and Clinton and used them to try to blackmail Clinton into releasing Jonathan Pollard, an Israeli spy. The speaker states that Israel has been spying on and stealing from the U.S. for a long time, including stealing nuclear weapons technology. They claim John F. Kennedy pushed for inspections of Israel's nuclear program and was lied to. The speaker alleges Israel has a nuclear doctrine called the Samson Option, which dictates that if Israel is about to fall, they will nuke everyone.

The speaker claims that AIPAC has bought the seats of 93 out of 100 senators and that Israel uses a child sex trafficking ring run by Jeffrey Epstein and Mossad to blackmail powerful figures like Bill Clinton. They allege Monica Lewinsky, who is Jewish, was part of this operation. The speaker says Benjamin Netanyahu blackmailed Bill Clinton with recordings of Clinton and Lewinsky to pressure him to release Jonathan Pollard, an Israeli spy. They claim Israel has been spying on and stealing from the U.S. for a long time, including stealing nuclear weapons technology. The speaker states that John F. Kennedy pushed for inspections of Israel's nuclear facilities and was lied to about them. They assert Israel has a nuclear program they have never announced and an unofficial doctrine called the Samson Option, which dictates that if Israel is in danger of failing, they will nuke everyone.

Speaker 0 believes the American government is trapped by the Israelis and that Jeffrey Epstein is one of their tools to trap them. He says Bill Clinton, Ehud Barak, and Yasser Arafat met in the nineties and there was no peace deal because of Epstein, claiming Epstein was blackmailing them. He adds that Ehud Barak, then the prime minister of Israel, was also a friend of Epstein but was blackmailed by the Israeli right wing as well, and that this blackmail prevented an agreement with Arafat for a two-state solution. He asserts Epstein was used to change the course of history in the region and that Epstein’s influence trapped a number of US presidents, encompassing not only sexual matters but money as well, questioning where the money came from. Speaker 1 asks what he thinks of Dershowitz’s denial. Speaker 0 continues, stating that Epstein’s influence affected US policy and that “everything is stuck over Gazelle.” He claims Israelis have the American government captive due to Epstein’s past actions. He accuses Rupert Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal of publishing a card or birthday card Trump allegedly sent to Epstein, asking where they obtained it. He asserts Trump does not want to continue the war or genocide and suggests Israelis are holding him back, given Trump’s power to forge peace in places like South Korea and Palestine, and questions why they would need Epstein if they could simply assassinate Trump. He references speculation about John F. Kennedy’s assassination with Israeli intelligence help and notes that attempts on Trump’s life have occurred before elections, acknowledging sensitivity around such claims. He mentions the influence of bereaved or starving children imagery and the political pressure on leaders to act, predicting Israelis might ultimately face a reckoning or “harakiri.” Speaker 1 offers a geopolitical angle, suggesting GCC countries could leverage financial power to replace APAC lobbying and asks if Trump can leverage Arab world, Global South, and BRICS power to end the genocide. Speaker 0 responds that Trump can end the genocide if he stops fearing the Israelis, asserting that leaders will face accusations of abuses and billions of dollars taken, but morality should prevail and Trump should stop the genocide at any price. He mentions Robert Maxwell as an intelligent man who supposedly tried to leverage against the Israeli state with financial deals, noting that people can still be killed if they challenge Israel. He concludes that he cannot comment further but hopes Trump will have the United States and Middle East interests at heart and do the right thing.

Speaker: The speaker argues that we need to step back and examine the bigger picture of what was really going on with Epstein. According to the speaker, Epstein was “more than just a serial pedophile and a pervert. He was an incredibly powerful man,” who, in “multiple instances in the files that were just released,” was “talking about his work for Mossad, talking about his work for the Rothschilds.” The speaker emphasizes that this points to a broader pattern or operation, stating a need to “discuss the blackmail operation that was taking place” and asking, “which government that's a special ally of The United States put him up to it?” The speaker then questions the nature of U.S. alliances, asking, “do we really want to be allies with the country that kidnaps young girls, for rape just so they can have dirt on American politicians and control our foreign policy.” This line of inquiry is presented as the bigger underlying issue that, in the speaker’s view, has not been sufficiently discussed. The focus remains on connecting Epstein’s alleged activities to a broader blackmail or influence operation involving a foreign ally, and on the implications of such an alliance for U.S. political decision-making and foreign policy.

The transcript argues that the Pentagon has “raised the alarm” about Israel, presenting espionage and political pressure as the lead threat to the United States. It says this goes beyond “just spying,” describing efforts to put pressure on people, “buying people off,” and forcing “full war.” It claims Israel is “bragging” about removing specific opponents and “we’re gonna get everybody,” and it cites a claim that the Pentagon called espionage by Israel the number one security threat. A central claim is that new legislation passed Thursday, under Section 224 of the National Defense Authorization Act, would give Israel “total access to everything,” including AI, weapons, weapons development, DARPA, top universities, live-time telemetry, integration, live-time fusion, and “synchronization,” which the transcript says refers to armed services working together down to the unit level. It states that Netanyahu wrote the plan and wrote what they put in the bill, thanking the committee for passing it, and describes the bill’s movement: from one committee to the final committee on Thursday, and then “less than twenty-four hours later” the Pentagon comes out with a confirmed assessment. The transcript says the Pentagon acknowledged that it had “leaked this to NBC News,” and that other outlets “sat on it” until the legislation began passing out of committee. It further states that the Pentagon’s assessment—described as being held for “two and a half weeks”—identifies Israel as the number one national security threat because of “the unhinged behavior of Israel,” including hacking phones, breaking into homes, and pressure on families. It also claims former spy chiefs and Israeli officials describe aggressive conduct and competence. The transcript then presents an “emergency warning” framing: it says the Pentagon issued an emergency warning to “the American people, the White House, and the armed services,” claiming Israel is attempting “a silent coup” against U.S. armed services and intelligence agencies. It claims multiple Pentagon intelligence agencies joined an agreement, stating they “aren’t doing their job,” and that the “treason got so bad” that the Pentagon’s number one threat is Israel’s espionage. It describes alleged symbols and coordination inside the Pentagon, including Israeli flags and bases, and says it describes efforts for troops to “pledge allegiance” to Israel and IDF soldiers wearing their uniforms during congressional voting. It then points to additional reports and news coverage, claiming the New York Times and Wall Street Journal later report that Israelis somehow broke into military phones and intelligence personnel systems “in live time control.” It also asserts Israel’s role in hardware supply chains, claiming Apple says new iPhones have their chip made in Israel by an Israeli defense company, and it references Israel’s prior activity against Iran’s power plants, comparing it to other countries’ chip-loading and software tactics while emphasizing Israel is “really nasty about it.” Finally, the transcript focuses on Congressman Massey’s criticisms. It says Section 224 includes “synchronize,” “integrate,” and related terms, and Massey argues the language implies merging the IDF and U.S. military, including chain-of-command concerns. It states Massey intends to offer an amendment to strip the provision. The transcript adds that Section 224 calls for a “czar” or “director of the merger program,” describing that the director reports once a year to Congress while the details are classified, and it claims the Pentagon is “a black hole for money.” It describes the committee chair and ranking member’s plans to mark up the bill and move toward a full House vote.

Speaker 0 says everything is “out of Israel” and relates what “Gilen” told him about her father. He claims that when she was talking to him one day, she said the Rothschilds were the greatest protectors of her family, and he says he is afraid she is still “on the loose.” He states he knows who is taking care of her, saying “I know it is the Rothschild,” and adds that “lady Rothschild is ready to kill me.” Speaker 0 asks if this is when Lynn forced her to the Rothschild and suggests “You can assume.” He then says “it helps us so much because no one’s speaking out,” and tells Speaker 1 that Speaker 1 is “the only one who cares about how it all began,” describing that as “what’s so important.” Speaker 1 responds that “that’s where it is” and says “that’s where the real story is,” adding that “that’s how you find out how extensive it is in in Story.” Speaker 1 then cites a claim that “a guy that used to work for Israeli intelligence with Robert Maxwell told me” that he had seen Jeffrey Epstein in Robert Maxwell’s office “in, like, the mid eighties,” and says “so that definitely goes back several years.” Speaker 0 replies by stating that Gilan’s “thing” was that he was assigned “to her” to protect her because her dad had died. Speaker 0 then asks: “who assigned you?” and says, “what does that mean?”

The speaker says that fights in Washington come down to who controls policymaking—“the Epstein group” versus “the people’s representatives.” They reference the 2027 NDAA for defense appropriations, specifically Section 224, and claim they personally contacted their congressman after seeing Massie and Roconna—described as the two who led the effort to get the Epstein files released. The speaker says Massie and Roconna sponsored action in the House to remove Section 224 from the 2027 NDAA. They claim Section 224 would “turn over massive powers within the military to the Israeli military,” calling it an “abrogation of federal sovereignty” and describing it as “frightening.” They connect this to what they describe as Gaza-related actions, saying the same approach would extend in the United States using “robots and drones and surveillance systems.” They say they told their congressman that “Americans should run the American military and not foreign nationals.” The speaker also claims that Rumsfeld complained—according to Larry Wilkinson, who was said to have worked for the Joint Chiefs of Staff—that Israelis were “running around the building” and effectively running the Pentagon. Overall, the speaker argues this faction “needs to get put in its proper place” within the U.S. government system.

Robert Maxwell, owner of the Daily Mirror, and his daughter Ghislaine were allegedly Israeli agents, according to the speaker. They introduced Jeffrey Epstein to Ghislaine Maxwell long before the 1990s. The speaker claims that Epstein's operation was a honey trap to ensnare politicians, policymakers, celebrities, and media figures as assets for Israel.

The conversation centers on whether U.S. policy shifts toward “putting America first” and whether Trump/J.D. Vance statements about Israel and Iran are genuine or the result of external manipulation. Mario asks Alex whether what J.D. Vance and Trump are saying is meant sincerely, referencing J.D. Vance and Trump’s language. Alex responds that he believes J.D. Vance and Trump have been influenced and manipulated, and he links U.S. decision-making to behind-the-scenes arguments raised in cabinet meetings about Israel’s Middle East actions. He says J.D. Vance heard claims from the Pentagon that Israel’s plan was a terrible idea, would fail to produce regime change, would close the strait, would “destroy the administration,” and would “kill the world economy,” describing a pattern where Israel’s actions were connected to dragging the U.S. toward total war. Alex claims Trump later realized he had been manipulated by “false intelligence” provided by Netanyahu and Mossad, including claims that Netanyahu and Mossad convinced Trump that Kurds would rise and the Iranian regime would fall within four days. Alex says Trump then looked for an “exit ramp” for more than a month but was repeatedly pulled back in as Israel allegedly continued attacks and sabotaged negotiations, including an episode where Trump claimed he ordered Israel to stop hitting Lebanon and Alex claims Israel hit harder afterward. Alex adds that Netanyahu allegedly refused to leave southern Lebanon, and he singles out Ben-Gavir as even more radical and influential, quoting Ben-Gavir saying, “We need to burn all of Lebanon to the ground,” and framing this as a broader “Greater Israel project.” Alex describes a “canary in the coal mine” by citing Gerald Morgan (Steven Crowder’s co-host) as saying Ben-Gavir is a horrible person and that Morgan would not support Israel if it continued such “genocidal” statements and behavior. Alex also says that Israel’s influence is reflected in legislation, claiming the U.S. National Defense Authorization Act for 2027 would merge and synchronize U.S. and Israeli military research and development and weapons, and that days after committee passage, the Defense Intelligence Agency and two other agencies allegedly said Israel is the highest-level espionage threat to the U.S. Mario connects the discussion to Trump’s rhetoric, asking whether this is more than rhetoric and could go on longer. Alex answers that Trump is “100% pro-Israel” and believes Israel has a right to exist, saying Trump seeks to be a major peacemaker and wants the Abraham Accords. Alex says Trump “never liked Netanyahu,” claiming Trump is enraged and looking to break with Israel due to constituents’ war-related break from “Israel first” and inflation. Alex says he expects Israel to keep provoking, including possibly launching bigger provocations against Iran, or a “magical terror attack” blamed on Iran, and ties this to Netanyahu’s legal situation and alleged incentives not to destabilize internal outcomes tied to October 7-related investigations. The transcript then shifts to direct quotes shown in a clip from Gerald Morgan challenging a statement attributed to Ben-Gavir: Alex relays the argument that “All of Lebanon must burn,” asserting disproportionate retaliation logic, warning that absorbing Lebanon would lead to further targets like Turkey and Syria, and arguing the U.S. supported Israel for decades. Alex then says Katz made similar statements, including a claim that villages in southern Lebanon have been flattened and that 200,000 Lebanese residents in a security zone are never returning. Alex later elaborates on what he says is Israeli conduct: alleged leveling of villages, destruction of houses, leveling churches and crusader castles, and poisoning crops via concentrated glyphosate weed killer (Roundup), comparing this to prior actions in Gaza and the West Bank involving wells. He also claims “Lebanese, Christian or Muslim” who do not leave would face IDF snipers and killing, and he says Israel publicly called the approach “the Gaza treatment” for Lebanon. Alex expands into broader claims about political networks and leverage. When asked what leverage Israel might have over Trump, Alex describes opening “back channels” and cutting Israel out of live time intelligence, but also claims Israel has leverage over Trump through business ties and the “Epstein network,” asserting Trump wanted to take over such power structures for himself and that Israel “got all the intel” through secret forms that redirect information away from the Five Eyes. Alex claims this results in Israel placing personnel in key Pentagon and intelligence positions and describes “partially under a Likudnik Israeli coup right now.” Mario asks whether Alex believes this is linked to dirt involving Epstein. Alex says it is not primarily dirt used to compromise Trump, but rather that Trump joined the network and expected protection and loyalty; when it didn’t go as planned, Alex claims Trump became angry and tried to assert dominance over Israel. Alex argues Trump’s actions would be reversed only when Trump decides he was wrong, and he lists conditions for a fundamental shift: Trump needs to call for Netanyahu to leave, oppose legislation such as the NDAA Section 224 and a matching Senate Intelligence Bill, deny Israel merging with U.S. military/intelligence, and cut off funding and weapons. Alex also adds that he wants Trump to oppose laws restricting free speech and to reverse other actions he lists as harmful. In the short term, Mario asks what happens if Israel strikes Beirut, Iran retaliates, and whether Trump would be dragged in. Alex says the longer the Strait of Hormuz is closed and the worse the economy becomes, the more pressure Trump will face, and he claims Trump might come out against Netanyahu if Israel’s actions cause unbearable economic damage and if bombing Iran is framed as leading Iran to attack Israel. Alex also predicts Israel’s land-gathering motivations, including gas corridors. Finally, Mario asks whether Netanyahu could fall to pressure and whether Israel could cease fire and pull out, similar to Trump’s alleged change with J.D. Vance. Alex says there is “absolutely” a chance for that kind of shift, claiming Israel could be removed through money and opposition channels, that the White House could work with Netanyahu’s opposition, and that if there is no war within a year, pipelines and systems could cut the Strait of Hormuz out of the equation. Alex closes by arguing Israel’s radical leadership escalates conflict in ways that generate backlash and that de-escalation depends on Trump directly confronting Israel’s leadership rather than supporting their decisions.

Yes. I I watched Mossad take over the Pentagon in 02/2002. The Pentagon was infiltrated by Mossad. They did not need any identification to get through the river entrance to the building. They went upstairs to Douglas Fife, the undersecretary of defenses for policy, the third most powerful man in the defense department. Occasionally, they went to the second most powerful man, Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of defense, and they had run of the Pentagon. Donald Rumsfeld, the secretary of defense, said to my boss one time, hell, I don't run my building. Mossad does.

George W. Bush is described as becoming the 43rd U.S. president, and news reports state that a plane crashed into the World Trade Center, with a second plane hitting shortly afterward and major explosions occurring, including in Washington, D.C., with smoke reported over the Pentagon. Additional information is reported that Building 7 in the World Trade Center complex was on fire and either collapsed or was collapsing. A question is raised about why Building 7 came down given that no plane reportedly hit it, and what Building 7 is. A discussion links late-1990s to mid-2000s work of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) to senior Bush-Cheney administration positions, citing about 17 members in top roles and noting that some, including Feith and Wolfowitz, had worked for Benjamin Netanyahu in Israel and promoted similar programs. A major PNAC paper is identified as “Rebuilding America’s Defenses” (2000). Israel and the September 11 attacks are discussed: Benjamin Netanyahu is said to have publicly stated the attacks were good for Israel. Rumors in the days after September 11 include a report about Middle Eastern men spotted the morning of September 11 near New York City, with investigation leading to questions about whether Israel was conducting espionage on U.S. soil. A witness in New Jersey reports seeing three men on top of a van posing for pictures with the burning Twin Towers; police stopped the van hours later and arrested five men, all identified as Israeli, later turned over to the FBI. Sources say national security database checks showed some men had connections to Israeli intelligence; the FBI sought questions about who they were, why they were at the parking lot, and whether they had advanced knowledge. After 71 days, the five Israelis were deported. U.S. investigators are said to believe Israelis were engaged in spying in and on the U.S., potentially knowing information not shared before September 11. The transcript describes a focus on Israelis claiming to be art students from the University of Jerusalem and Bezalel Academy, repeatedly contacting U.S. government personnel by offering cheap art or handiwork. Documents are said to describe targeting and penetrating military bases, the DEA, FBI, and many government facilities, including secret offices and unlisted private homes of law enforcement and intelligence personnel. Those questioned are said to have stated they served in military intelligence, electronic surveillance intercept units, and/or explosive ordinance units. Eyewitness accounts describe explosions in the World Trade Center, including claims of a basement explosion, loss of structural elements, and numerous secondary explosions with floor-by-floor “popping out” sounds. Another account says a decision was made to “pull” (evacuate or remove personnel/firefighting efforts) after being told they might not contain the fire, and then witnesses observed the building collapse. The transcript includes claims about the Pentagon: in 2002, it says the Pentagon was infiltrated by Mossad, with alleged access through a river entrance and movement within the building, including meetings with officials such as Douglas Fife and Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, and a statement attributed to Donald Rumsfeld comparing Mossad’s control to not running the building himself. Further claims describe decisions to go to war with Iraq, with a memo described as outlining taking out seven countries in five years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. Related discussion includes Congress passing the Authorization for Use of Military Force in 2001 and subsequent use of AUMF for other purposes. The transcript also discusses Iran: statements include that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon, and that Iran will be stopped only through a credible military threat backed by the United States. A claim attributed to President Trump says the U.S. completed three successful attacks on three nuclear sites in Iran via social media. Finally, the transcript mentions a 1996 “clean break” study associated with Netanyahu, described as a strategy for securing “greater Israel,” and closes by stating that discussing U.S. Middle East policy requires talking about the U.S. relationship with Israel.

Robert Maxwell, owner of the Daily Mirror, and his daughter Ghislaine were allegedly Israeli agents, according to the speaker. They worked together, and Robert introduced Jeffrey Epstein to Ghislaine long before the 1990s. The speaker claims that Epstein's operation was a honey trap to ensnare politicians, policymakers, celebrities, and media figures as assets for Israel. It essentially became an intelligence operation to trap various politicians.

The speaker discusses Epstein-related documents and the implications people draw from them. They claim: - The memo circulated with media suggesting Jeffrey Epstein worked for the KGB, and that Epstein might have had multiple passports, talked to Israeli politicians and Jewish businessmen, and repeatedly invokes his Jewish identity. - In an email with former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, Epstein says he’s totally not working for Mossad. - Former Mossad officer Ari Ben Menashe says Epstein was working for Mossad. - In documents, Mark Iverson states that Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwell, and Jeffrey Epstein were working for Mossad; the speaker asserts that Robert Maxwell was not a Soviet spy. - British Foreign Office and Israeli whistleblowers say Epstein was working for Mossad, and he was given a hero’s burial in Israel, not in Russia. - In an actual email with Peter Thiel, Epstein says that he represents the Rothschild family. - The speaker poses questions: If a Russian passport proves he works for Russia, does boarding CIA planes prove he works for the United States? If he has a blackmail list on United Kingdom politicians, does that prove he works for the British? If he talks to Emmanuel Macron and prime minister Nicolas Sarkozy, does that prove he works for the French? The speaker concludes that, regardless, Epstein’s primary loyalties are with his people. - The speaker asserts that Zionists on Twitter claim the Epstein documents are a “nothingburger,” and urge continuing with other topics; they accuse those who disagreed of having low IQ and claim the documents reveal clear content with their own eyes. - Senator Bernie Sanders is described as saying this is a cautionary tale about wealth and power; the speaker counters by saying “your cousins” are helping orchestrate this, and that Sanders has repeatedly criticized Israel. - The speaker accuses proponents of diverting attention from the primary culprit and states that such attempts are not working on anyone.

Jeffrey Epstein was working on behalf of Intel Services, likely not American, and it's valid to question on whose behalf he operated. How did he go from a math teacher to owning multiple airplanes, a private island, and a large Manhattan house without a college degree? Epstein had direct connections to a foreign government, and while people avoid naming Israel, there's nothing wrong, hateful, antisemitic, or anti-Israel about asking if he worked for Mossad, running a blackmail operation. Everyone in Washington D.C. suspects this, but feels unable to voice it. The speaker believes open discussion is better than suppressed resentment and hate. The question of whether this happened has been posed to the Israeli government, who declined to answer. The speaker argues that as long as the U.S. sends Israel money, the U.S. has a right to know if Israel committed crimes on U.S. soil.

John and Mario discuss the EpsteinFiles with a focus on who is behind the cover-up, the involvement of intelligence services, and the implications for justice and power. - Epstein as Mossad asset and broader intelligence links: - John reiterates his original conclusion that Epstein was a Mossad access agent and adds that he was actively seeking contact with the CIA, the FBI, the NSC, MI5/MI6, Germany, and even Vladimir Putin, aiming to burnish his credentials with intelligence communities. Epstein allegedly requested private meetings with Putin, which were arranged with others present, and there were FOIA requests by Epstein’s attorneys to confirm associations with the CIA and NSC, which reportedly went unanswered. - Mario notes Epstein’s access to the Skiff (a highly restricted, sealed room for classified discussions) and argues Epstein’s entry suggests closer ties to American intelligence, since only Five Eyes would have access to such a space. He contrasts this with a broader view that the “movers and shakers” in American culture and the billionaire/political classes drive the cover-up, as evidenced by congressional mandates to release documents and the DOJ’s involvement. - The discussion flags that the released files show Epstein’s attempts to connect with major intelligence actors, and hints at a possible broader Israeli involvement (Mossad) and questions about whether Israelis were spying on the CIA/NSC. - The scope of the release and accountability: - John emphasizes that Congress passed a law mandating release of these documents; the executive branch has not released all materials, with millions unreleased and only a fraction of available data being disclosed (debate around 2% of data released in some outlets). He criticizes the DOJ for surveillance-like behavior of congressional briefings (e.g., a DOJ official observing members while they review materials). He also notes the CIA/FBI/FIVE EYES redactions that obscure sources and methods, and argues that there should be little redaction since Epstein is deceased. - Mario adds that the files reveal extensive redactions and questions about what remains unreleased, comparing it to the torture report’s redactions, and suggests the redactions may be politically or strategically motivated. - Notable file threads and alleged illicit activities: - A Libyan assets subplot: An associate, Greg Brown, discusses identifying and recovering frozen Libyan assets (potentially 80+ billion dollars). The plan purportedly offered Epstein a percentage (10-25%) for recovery, with Libya’s reconstruction as a potential cost. Brown claimed connections with MI6 and Mossad to identify stolen assets, illustrating a pattern of opportunities for private actors to profit from geopolitical upheavals. - Ukraine 2014 dispatches: A tweet claimed that Epstein, in 2014, discussed opportunities arising from Ukraine upheaval, with the Rothschilds emailing Epstein to discuss asset management and Ukraine, implying Epstein represented the Rothschilds in exploring opportunities amid regime changes. - The role of wealth and elite involvement: Mario and John describe how Epstein’s financial power enabled him to operate at the intersection of intelligence and global finance; the “go-to” for large asset claims is a reality that would require serious governmental or intelligence ties. - Death of Epstein and questions surrounding it: - The panel discusses the widely accepted view that Epstein did not kill himself, citing multiple irregularities: the July 23 attempt, the deletion of relevant footage, Epstein’s removal from suicide watch against protocol, a mass-murderer cellmate, unmonitored calls, camera malfunctions, and a decoy body claim. They discuss the autopsy differences (ear shape, penis description) and an DOJ note dated a day earlier than the death as a potential anomaly. - John explains that in the federal system prison guards’ qualifications and camera reliability are problematic, and argues that the death raises serious questions about the suicide narrative, while acknowledging a lack of inside information to confirm any particular theory. They discuss a decoy body and the possibility that Epstein was secretly killed, with ongoing debates about whether he’s alive or dead. - They reference a note about an escape plan and a will being signed days before death, suggesting Epstein anticipated danger and attempted to plan escape, though this is balanced against the argument that prisoners often contemplate escape. - Victims, threats, and blackmail: - They recount death threats to Epstein’s victims, including threats in Hebrew and references to Mossad-like intimidation. John explains that Western intelligence rarely issues direct threats to civilians, whereas Mossad has historically used such tactics; Epstein’s circle included individuals who reportedly faced threats and harassment. - They discuss Epstein’s private security cameras and alleged blackmail operations, citing emails in which victims describe transactional sexual experiences and Epstein’s networks. They consider whether intelligence agencies exploited Epstein’s perversion to further strategic aims and whether those networks used blackmail to recruit or control powerful individuals (e.g., Prince Andrew, Les Wexner, etc.). - High-profile associations and potential redactions: - Fergie (Sarah Ferguson) is mentioned as having close ties with Epstein, including emails after his conviction and marriage-like language; Prince Andrew is highlighted as heavily implicated. They discuss whether these relationships were used for blackmail or influence, and whether such information remains usable as leverage. - The breadth of individuals implicated ranges from Trump to Clinton to business titans; John notes there is no direct evidence of crimes by Trump or Clinton in released materials, but the extent of connections complicates public perception. - Conclusion and ongoing questions: - The conversation closes with an agreement that Epstein’s death and the surrounding files reveal a web of intelligence connections, high-level influence, and potential blackmail, with substantial redactions and a continuing need for full disclosure to understand the full extent of involvement, high-level figures, and the truth behind Epstein’s death. They anticipate further file releases and ongoing analysis.

Speaker 0: Do you agree with Candace Owens that the reason we are not going to see the client list is because Israel is implicated? Speaker 1: Israel is implicated. I’m just going to say that. Speaker 0: But what would Israel have to do with Epstein? Speaker 1: I mean, the former prime minister of Israel, he had Barack lived at Epstein's townhouse for years. I mean, the allegation is that Epstein was running a blackmail operation against powerful people where they would be videotaped having outside of marriage or illegally with underage women, that information will be used against them to get them to comply with whatever request that government wanted them to comply with. I think it's absolutely fair to ask to what extent was Epstein involved in a foreign intelligence operation on our show. This is our country. This country doesn't belong to any foreign country. Okay. This is our country. I was born here. I pay taxes here. So if some foreign country, I don't care if you claim it's our ally or not, is running an intel operation on my soil, I have a right to know what that was.