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The discussion centers on the case involving former high-ranking official Joris Demming, who, once again, has prompted a new victim claim. This time, journalist Fred de Brouwer died in a scooter accident in Thailand this weekend. De Brouwer, together with Henk Krol, was among the first to write about the alleged child abuse by Demink. For Henk Krol, it is hoped that this latest incident is purely a coincidence. Meneer Krol expresses condolences on the “film” and calls the development crazy. He notes that Fred had been in dialogue with several Dutch media outlets, because those outlets were finally prepared to relay the story the way it had come to him. Is it an accident, or is there more behind it? Speaker 1 says: “Nee, dat weten we niet.” The report from bystanders in Thailand claims De Brouwer was followed by a white car and then run over; the driver has not been found. This is described as “op zijn minst een merkwaardige dood” — at least a remarkable death. Asked whether he fears for his own life, Speaker 1 replies that in his circle there are many who say not to do it, “want je ziet hoeveel mensen er omgevallen zijn.” Yet he hopes it was all coincidence. If in the future it turns out that something happened to him as well, it would become harder to believe it was coincidence.

Alamarie from Westbrook claims that Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands organized the torture, rape, and murder of children in public settings. The criminals involved selected children from youth detention centers, with the approval of high-ranking officers at the court. The victims were brought to a building disguised as a hotel, where they were tortured, raped, and brutally murdered in front of an audience that included Prince Johan Friso and other prominent individuals. The remains of the children were initially placed in a cooling container behind the building and later transported to a location in Belgium. Alamarie has been unsuccessful in receiving help or justice within the Netherlands, believing that Queen Beatrix's involvement has hindered any investigation.

Anne Marie from Lehenburg reveals horrifying details about the Octopus Syndicate, a criminal organization led by Kees van Kordlek. They orchestrated the torture, rape, and murder of children in the Netherlands, with high-ranking officials present. Anne Marie has tried to seek justice but has faced obstacles. The remains of the children were disposed of in Belgium. She is willing to testify in court. Today's date is June 5, 2014.

The transcript centers on the case of John of God, a Brazilian celebrity faith healer who gained international fame after Oprah Winfrey visited his retreat in 2010. He is described as a “miracle worker” by followers who claim he can cure diseases such as cancer, but he is now accused of extensive sexual abuse and far more heinous crimes. Key allegations include that John of God sexually abused hundreds of women during supposed healing sessions. An activist, Sabrina Bittencourt, 38, became a central figure in publicizing the case after claiming that John of God ran a sex slave farm. She alleged that young girls were held captive on farms in Goias to produce babies that were sold on the black market, and that these girls were murdered after ten years of giving birth. Bittencourt said hundreds of girls were enslaved over the years and served as wombs to get pregnant for babies to be sold. She went into protection abroad, living in Spain with international protection after receiving death threats tied to her claims. Bittencourt reportedly received threats and ultimately took her own life while under protection. She left behind a note, quoted as saying, “she took the last steps so that we could live. They killed my mother.” Her death, along with her activism, is linked to the momentum of the case against John of God, who was arrested in Brazil, remanded in prison, and charged with rape and sexual assault. More than 600 women reportedly came forward with allegations of sexual abuse connected to his healing sessions. The narrative emphasizes a contrast between the public perception of John of God as a healer and the alleged criminal reality, highlighting the “baby farming” and trafficking components of the case, including claims that newborns were sold for up to £40,000 in Europe, the United States, and Australia. The transcript notes that these aspects were not always covered by mainstream media, which the speaker suggests focus on former allegations by women while omitting the more severe charges involving children. Additional mentions include high-profile visitors associated with John of God, such as Bill Clinton and supermodel Naomi Campbell, who are said to have visited his compound. Marina Abramović is named as having worked with him, shooting a 2016 documentary titled The Space In Between at his facility. The transcript concludes by reiterating the gravity of the accusations and the global reaction, with Sabrina Bittencourt’s death recorded shortly after she recorded her video.

Lize, at the age of fifteen, reported her father, other men, lawyers, and the CEO of a large company for sexual abuse. She also revealed that she became pregnant and the baby was murdered, with the story involving ritualistic elements. Sanne ter Linge, an investigative journalist, explains that ritual abuse includes not only the desire for sexual relations with children but also other disturbing aspects such as drinking blood or being locked in coffins. Society tends to disbelieve these accounts, associating them with dark cellars, cult symbols, and candlelit chants. The difficulty of sharing these stories with law enforcement and the long waiting lists for trauma care are also highlighted. This is a narrative about the existence and challenges of ritual abuse.

Mary Morgan Ariel (Morgan Ariel on X) notes that Josh Hammer is now calling for Candace to be involuntarily committed to a mental institution. A clip is shown in which a commentator says, “In a just society, she’d be in a mental ward right now” and that they are a proponent of bringing back involuntary commitment laws of the 1960s, arguing that she should be involuntarily committed to a mental asylum. The discussion then connects this rhetoric to the way Epstein’s victims were treated in the past. The narrative then shifts to Karen Mulder, a former top model, who in 2001 went on a talk show and frantically named everyone who had assaulted her or involved her in being sold for assault. Her list reportedly included royalty, politicians, cops, and her own family. Before finishing, she was taken off the stage and eventually placed in a psych ward funded by Gerald Marie, the agent and owner of Elite Paris, who had signed her at 15. Marie would later be prosecuted on rape and sexual assault claims, but the case was closed in 2023 due to France’s statute of limitations, a outcome the speaker suggests could have been avoided if the matter had been taken seriously earlier. Mulder also named Jean Luc Brunel, an Epstein associate who was jailed on suspicion of rape and trafficking of minors and was found dead in his cell in 2022. Following Mulder’s 2001 interview, Morris publications claimed she was going through a psychotic episode. Her parents publicly blamed the outburst on drugs, and her sister Saskia appeared on the same talk show to discredit her, suggesting Saskia was also a victim. The account notes that Mulder’s reporting of abuse and childhood trauma fueled media attention and tabloid sensationalism, which led to her being labeled crazy. Mulder attempted suicide in 2002 but survived and later returned to confront the host, who pulled Mulder off air and deleted the tape of her testimony. The existence of the footage is inferred from testimonies in tabloids, Mulder’s statements, and audience comments. The discussion also references a TikTok influencer who described human trafficking as “the new satanic panic.” The speaker expresses distress at the comment and ties it to the broader pattern of desensitization around the Epstein Files; they argue that when there is no conclusion, people turn to humor, though they acknowledge the impulse to do so and caution against reducing the real trauma involved. The speaker emphasizes the seriousness of the issue, noting that victims can become perpetrators and that the situation remains critical. Karen Mulder is identified as being 55 years old at the time of the recount.

A psychotherapist named Dagmar Eckers works with a young girl who vividly recounts details of murder and cannibalism that occurred a year ago. The girl's parents have given permission for the recording, and the police are aware of the perpetrators and crime scenes. Dagmar Eckers, an expert in treating victims of violence, believes the children's accounts to be credible based on their emotional reactions. Another case involves a girl named Deborah who was sold by her biological mother to men for sexual exploitation. The interviews with Deborah and another boy named Robert reveal horrific acts of abuse, including ritualistic ceremonies and murder. The children's testimonies overlap, indicating a larger network of child exploitation. The documentary emphasizes the urgent need to address and prevent these crimes.

Three additional murders have been reported, bringing the total to five. The gendarme interrogates someone, adding information about children and recordings. There is a disturbing drawing circulating, depicting three children with their hands cut off. The drawing was made by a four-year-old child who witnessed the events. The children claim they were disemboweled. The speaker describes the location where the crimes took place and mentions that the father was involved in disposing of the evidence. Another person shares a story about Eric, who has been falsely accused of heinous crimes by his ex-partner and ex-father-in-law. Eric claims that the justice system and the police do not care. The father who was involved in the crimes is said to work for a company that caters to billionaires.

This report describes sexual abuse of children by satanic cults and human sacrifices. Theresa, now 15, says she was subjected to 12 years of abuse; At home, it was my nan, who led the gang. She describes "animals and people" involved and "the sacrifice" to please the devil. Authorities say the abuse was enormous and far beyond what we've heard before. Theresa recounts pregnancies starting at age 11, abortions by my nan or doctors at the house, and says fetuses were sometimes eaten. A big, expensive house; from the front, it looked like a castle. Police have charged five men with rape; Nan faces seven counts of aiding and abetting rape and two counts of performing abortions. Therapists affirm her truth: In my opinion, Teresa's account is not the product of a psychotic illness nor the figment of a fertile imagination. I believe her to be telling the truth.

The speakers discuss the involvement of Michel Fourniret, referred to as a master, in the occulted issues surrounding the case. They mention a letter from Fourniret to his alleged master, Paul Louis Deschamps, who may have had knowledge of special orders for his laboratory. They express concern that Deschamps has never been questioned by investigators. The speakers also suggest that Fourniret may have been part of a larger network involved in child abduction and trafficking. They mention the disappearance of the gang's loot and Fourniret's interest in money. The conversation ends with the mention of Fourniret's chateau and his response to not regretting his actions.

There are networks in France that profit from selling tapes with real child deaths. These tapes can cost between ten and twenty thousand Swiss francs. Although not widely discussed in the media, these tapes have been discovered in Belgium. Madame Tuna Bernard, who had evidence of these tapes, passed away under mysterious circumstances before she could present them to the authorities. There have been cases in France, such as Florian Mafei, Aurore Jonard, and the Mikoulais in Saint-Victor, where children have witnessed children in coffins. Despite their credible testimonies, these children are now in the United States with their mothers. Investigations have been opened, but there have been cover-ups in Nice. In the Paris region, there is knowledge of child mass graves, but no further details can be provided due to ongoing investigations. The seriousness of these claims is deeply alarming.

Ted Gunderson, a respected law enforcement professional, believes in the existence of child trafficking rings but acknowledges difficulties in prosecution. He mentions that law enforcement officers may be apathetic and reluctant to get involved. The speaker expresses shock at discovering that Michael Aquino, who was sitting next to Ted during an interview, allegedly paid for the kidnapping of a child named Kevin Collins. The speaker accuses Geraldo Rivera of being involved in a cover-up. A clip is shown where Aquino seemingly confesses to kidnapping Collins. The debate highlights the lack of successful prosecutions and the need for further investigation. The speaker concludes by suggesting the formation of a national task force to address these issues.

But this ex model says several years ago she went to Jean Luc's house and didn't get away. She asked to have her voice and face disguised. He gave you a drink? Yes. You drank it and then what? I blacked out. I don't remember anything after that. Next thing you remember was being in this man's bed. Who was he? Do I have to say the name? It was Jean Luc from Karen's Modeling Agency. You were raped? Yes. I do know that. You sure? Yes. I'm positive. I I know. You think everybody knows this about Jean Luc Brunel? Oh, yes. A lot of people know that. A lot of people. They continue to deal with him. But everyone will continues to deal with it. I don't know why.

The police already in 1997 had indications that former top Justice official Joris Demink and three senior prosecutors were involved in the sexual abuse of underage boys, an old detective testified at the Utrecht court. The testimony is notable because, until now, three ministers of justice, including Opstelten, have consistently denied that Demink participated in any investigation into sexual abuse of minors. According to the former detective, the investigation ultimately yielded nothing because it was sabotaged from higher up. The Rolodex affair, which unfolded in the late 1990s in Amsterdam, concerned a supposed pedophile network in which underage boys were abused by men from wealthy circles. With information from Rolodex, police traced four high-ranking officials, including top Justice official Joris Demink. Despite the ministry’s long-standing denials of Demink’s involvement, today one of the researchers who worked on the case testifies under oath and names Demink. The witness, detective De Kooten, testifies today in a civil case in Utrecht. He is asked to recall which names emerged back then, and he responds by naming three prosecutors and Demink. The word “En Denmink” is repeated, referring to Demink. Minister Opstelten stands by his position that these claims are not correct. As for the RoLodex investigation, it ultimately produced nothing. For the two men who testified in Utrecht, the outcome was frustrating. The chronicle of the case centers on a man named Ger van R., described as a professor in Amsterdam. When, in the late 1990s, the authorities tapped the phone of this Van R., the line suddenly went silent. During a house search, it appeared as if a cleaning crew had been through, and nothing else was found at his home. One of the witnesses who spoke today is Jaap Hoek, a former [the transcript cuts off here].

Lisa describes from a trauma-laden account how her father, Tim Vos, allegedly gave her daily pills under the pretense of vitamin pills, which made her numb and less in pain, while he sexually abused her in multiple ways, including rape from both front and back. She claims he photographed her buttocks and touched her breasts, then poured a sharp-smelling liquid over her feet, which caused pain. She states he enjoyed her crying. She identifies him as Larissa Alwin’s husband and asserts that he also gave his wife, her mother, and her siblings pills, and took her at night to other men in the forest, to bars, and that her father sexually assaulted her there with other men, sometimes four in a row against a tree. She alleges there were other children and her babysitter Cindy van Rijn involved. She insists she must name certain people and that this was filed six years ago during a pedophilia investigation into Joris Demink. She claims the matter was laid on Herman Bolaar’s table during an investigation into Demink, and that Herman Bolaar is now rapporteur on sexual violence against children. She calls for these men to be arrested and states she has spent 30 years in the Scheveningse prison system around child murderers and child rapists, and that she is now returning the favor to victims, naming individuals who allegedly participated but are not to be named in the transcript. She then lists many individuals by name: Tim Vos; Tom Alachar, Rob Polak, René Kiers, the boss of S. M. Kingma, a child suspect; Anton Hage; Joris Demink; wijkagent Kees Vargevissen; Willem; Leon van Baal; Alard Vreelink; A. Van Meurs, a pediatrician; Cindy van Rijn (the babysitter) with alleged vaginal stains; Tanja Bender Polak, Raymond de Mooi; a Chinese man Ying; and references to a photo near Haga. She mentions a man with heavons named Ben, and provides another set of names: Willem Funderink, Almer Middelbeek, Bas Vletter, Mark van Fenney. She warns these people could immediately initiate a criminal case against her, but insists that the real material would come out, inviting them to proceed. She identifies herself as the whistleblower of justice and accuses Sander Dekker and Grapperhaus of lying in her case, and claims that Joris Demink has always been protected, including by various Dutch leaders (Mark Rutte, Balkenende, De Jong, Biesheuvel, Den Uyl, Wieghel). She asserts the abuse spans 50 years, beginning with Joris in 1971. She lists children who were abused, including Lucas Arachar, Sophie van Baal, Isabel Hage, sometimes a girl named Petra Meisje, Tjing Yi Qo, Laurin Rosalie, Roos, Laura, Emma, and describes in the forest how parents sometimes brought their children to Tim, including mentions of foreign children who were shot. She states Tom taught Demink to shoot at children with six guns. She challenges Joris Demink to bring her to court and accuses Sander Dekker and Grapperhaus of lying in her case. She proclaims herself the whistleblower of justice and contends three or more girls gave birth in the forest, possibly more, including her herself. She recounts giving birth in the forest under horrific conditions, with a baby boy who Tim allegedly stated, “it is not bad if he is dead,” and describes taking a pink baby bath, washing the baby, and the baby being assaulted and buried near a tree. She mentions that babies were raped and some were murdered, including a baby she saw with a babysitter Cindy van Rijn, and that she had to fetch baby supplies at Albert Heijn with Tim. She asserts the events are real and intends to publish all material online, inviting others to come forward, and ends by stating she came to speak the truth in the courtroom hall, where the president of the court watched on a large video screen, and she invites everyone to come forward.

Thousands of photos of abused children, a CD-ROM that could lead to a pedophile network, and yet the investigation is at a standstill. The justice system in some countries is complicit in the investigation. There are cases in France where computers filled with sensitive information of this nature are left to rust. The CD-ROM containing thousands of pornographic images of minors has been handed over to Interpol and several European police services, but its story has many unanswered questions. The justice system in certain countries is dragging its feet or even turning a blind eye to the issue. The victims and their families are left feeling betrayed and unheard. The existence of pedophile networks and the trafficking of children is a serious problem that needs to be addressed.

In 1964, Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip visited a Catholic residential school in Canada, where 10 children disappeared after a picnic with the royal couple. William Coombs, a witness, was set to testify about the abductions but died mysteriously. Reverend Kevin Annette believes Coombs was murdered to silence him. Annette was fired from the church for exposing crimes at the school and now works with survivors.

Anna Marie from Bladheimburg says Kees Van Kortlaire and his three brothers formed "a criminal organization known as the Octopus Syndicate" and have worked from 1960 to today. "In order of Queen Beatrix, they have organized martial, torture, rape, and killing of children in a public setting" via Dutch youth detention centers. Detention centers were told "the criminals were asking for the Dutch court for children who could work with the Dutch for the Dutch queen for a certain period." After verification with a "high ranking officer at the court of Queen Beatrix," centers received "files of approximately three children every time," and criminals selected a child "that had no relative or family." "The child A is the one we want to see." The ritual involved a "hotel" setup where the child was tortured, raped, and murdered before an audience including "Johann Friso." Beatrix paid for it; about 50 people attended. She was taken there three times and witnessed killings: "two boys killed. I have seen one girl killed." Remains were thrown in a "cooling container" behind the building and later taken to Belgium.

A retired French man suspected of sexually abusing over 300 minors was arrested in Jakarta. He owned several businesses in France and was found in an Indonesian hotel where he lured children, raped and filmed them. He was arrested and later found dead in his cell. However, there are strange inconsistencies surrounding his death and the photos circulated by the media. His main business, Photobest, still has an active Facebook page managed by someone claiming to be him. There are also connections to an organization called Medadesk, which is part of the European Union. The man had a Visa Infinite card despite having a small, outdated store. His family members are also involved in his businesses. The extent of his clientele includes notable individuals, institutions, and even municipalities.

In 2001, one of the most sought after models in the world goes on a talk show. Karen Mulder frantically starts name dropping everyone who had either assaulted her or sold her to be assaulted. This list would include royalty, politicians, cops, and her own family. But before she’d be done, she’d be taken off the stage and eventually put into a psych ward paid for by the very person she claimed started selling her in the first place, her agent and owner of Elite Paris, the man who signed her at just 15 years old, Gerald Marie. He would be prosecuted years later with an insurmountable amount of rape and sexual assault claims, only for the case to be closed in 2023 due to France’s statute of limitations, which could have been avoided if anyone in the French courts had taken her seriously at the time she reported them because, yes, she did report them. And if that wasn’t enough, I have something even more infuriating. One of the names she dropped during that talk show was Jean Luc Brunel. He was an Epstein associate who was found dead in his cell in 2022. He was jailed on suspicion of rape and trafficking of minors. Sorry. Hold on. After Karen’s 2001 interview, numerous publications would come out claiming that she was going through a psychotic episode. Her parents would publicly blame this outburst on drugs, and her sister Saskia would go on that same talk show just to discredit her sister, which may sound surprising. But remember, part of her desperate plea for someone to listen and do something included the abuse she endured in her childhood. So it’s safe to say Saskia was also a victim. It’s complicated, but it fueled the media and it fueled the tabloids to call her crazy, and she tried to take her own life in 2002. Thankfully, she survived and she’d returned to that same talk show to confront the host, heard this desperate plea, pulled her from air, and then deleted the tape. So the video of her speaking her truth would be scrapped altogether. The reason that we know this exists is because of his testimonies in the tabloids, hers, and audience members. Everyone called her crazy until the Epstein case started coming out. I read someone here on TikTok, a female influencer with a lot of followers, comment once on a video and say that human trafficking was like the new satanic pan. I remember it had a lot of likes, and I was so disturbed then, and I’m even more disturbed that comment lives in my head when I read the story because that interview could have saved twenty years of children. Twenty years. And to be put in a psych ward by the very man who first did it, who by the way was the ex husband of Linda Evangelista. Feel free to go down that rabbit hole. This isn’t satanic panic. This is real. And the idea of it being satanic panic, like this huge, silly conspiracy everyone’s talking about is actually so destructive. And I feel like the desensitization that we have towards the Epstein files is becoming more and more rampant because when something is so devastating and so traumatizing and we’re not getting a conclusion, the go-to is to turn it into humor, which I do get. I’m not villainizing anyone for that. But if we’re gonna do that, we still have to keep this level of anger. Karen is 55 years old now. She is still a person in this world. Her only mistake was not doing that interview on a live television show.

I, Emmanuel Verdun, filed a complaint on March 23, 2012, against Jack Lang, Pierre Aux, and their friends for gang rape of minors under the age of fifteen, involving my daughter Laurine, who was four years old at the time. On March 23, 2013, a judge was assigned to the case and initiated an investigation. I want to inform you that all media outlets and individuals involved in the case have been notified, but to date, nothing has been reported except for online platforms where my story has gained significant attention. Thank you for your attention.

Speaker 0 believes they will find out what happened and that they fight out of love, not hate. Speaker 1 asks what they expect from justice after 22 years of determined fighting. Speaker 0 thinks it will be difficult to find the culprits, but believes there are many people who know something and that they may eventually speak up. Speaker 1 asks who they blame the most, and Speaker 0 blames the Paris prosecutor for making the victim bear the risks of the legal action. They also blame those who organized the investigation and put pressure on it, with Jacques Chirac playing a major role. Speaker 0 also blames Mr. Leloir for betraying their husband's trust. They want the truth to be revealed, not just the legal truth.

In October 1996, the judge in the Dutroux case is removed due to a procedural error, causing public outrage. The prosecutor hints at a major judicial operation involving prominent figures, but it never materializes. Instead, focus shifts to the Abrassax satanists, linked to a mysterious note found with Dutroux's accomplice. The power of sorcery is discussed, with uncertainty about its true influence on events.

Mary Morgan Ariel, who goes by Morgan Ariel on X, claims that Josh Hammer is now calling for Candace to be involuntarily committed to a mental institution. A clip is presented to illustrate this pattern, followed by the assertion that others are calling for people to be put in mental institutions. The text then references a statement: “In a in a just society, she'd be in a mental ward right now. She would have been in an immense award a while ago. I personally am a big proponent to bringing back the involuntary commitment laws of nineteen sixties. In my view, she should be involuntarily committed to a mental asylum.” This is linked to parallels drawn with how Epstein victims were treated. The narrative moves to 2001, focusing on Karen Mulder, one of the most sought-after models at the time, who on a talk show frantically names people who assaulted her or sold her to be assaulted, including royalty, politicians, cops, and her own family. Before finishing, she is taken off the stage and eventually put into a psych ward funded by Gerald Marie, the agent and owner of Elite Paris, who signed her at 15. Marie would later be prosecuted for rape and sexual assault claims, but the case was closed in 2023 due to France’s statute of limitations, which could have been avoided if her reports had been treated seriously. The account continues with Jean Luc Brunel, an Epstein associate who was jailed on suspicion of rape and trafficking of minors and was found dead in his cell in 2022. After Mulder’s 2001 interview, numerous publications claimed she was going through a psychotic episode. Her parents publicly blamed drugs, and her sister Saskia appeared on the same talk show to discredit her, suggesting Saskia was also a victim. The media and tabloids labeled Mulder crazy, and she attempted suicide in 2002. She later returned to confront the host, who pulled her from air and deleted the tape, erasing the video of her truth. This information is inferred from tabloid testimonies, Mulder’s accounts, and audience members. The narrative notes that a TikTok commenter, a female influencer with many followers, described human trafficking as “the new satanic pan,” a statement the speaker found disturbing. The speaker emphasizes that the story behind Epstein is not satanic panic, but real, and expresses concern that the desensitization to Epstein files is growing as a conclusion is not reached. The speaker asserts that victims have become perpetrators, highlighting the severity of the issue. Karen Mulder is described as 55 years old now and still a person in this world, with the sole mistake being not doing that 2001 interview on live television.