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Interviewer and Professor discuss what is known about October 7, the broader context, and the ongoing political implications. - On October 7, the global picture is that roughly 1,200 people were killed, with about 400 combatants and about 800 civilians, according to authorities the professor cites. He notes he relies on UN Human Rights Council Commission of Inquiry, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch but cautions these bodies do not have perfect records. He maintains there is no compelling evidence that a significant portion of the deaths in Israel’s reaction to October 7 were the result of Israeli actions, and he says the deaths are overwhelmingly attributable to Hamas and other armed groups in Gaza. He states there is no evidence supporting the claim that Hamas weaponized rape on October 7. - Regarding rape allegations, the professor emphasizes that the UN mission distinguishes between rape and sexual violence; the UN Commission of Inquiry states there is no digital or photographic evidence of rape. Pamela Patton’s report looked at 5,000 photographs and 50 hours of digital evidence but concluded there was no direct digital or photographic evidence of sexual violence on October 7. He questions why, if such incidents occurred, witnesses did not produce photographic or digital proof, noting that in a conflict zone Israelis would typically photograph atrocities; he suggests eyewitness testimony often aligns with broader narratives about Israel, and argues that some eyewitness accounts come from sources that claim Israel is morally exemplary while also alleging atrocities. - The discussion then moves to the credibility of eyewitness reports. The professor argues that some eyewitness accounts “will tell you Israel is the most moral army in the world” while also suggesting Israel’s society is inbred and that Israeli soldiers form deep bonds in the army, which could influence narratives. He notes a broader pattern of people publishing favorable studies of Israel while denying atrocities. - On Hamas’s planning before October 7, the professor describes Gaza as an “inferno under the Israeli occupation,” with Gaza repeatedly described as a concentration camp by prominent figures since 2004 and 2008. He argues that by late 2023 Gaza was portrayed as facing international indifference, and he asserts that the belief that Gaza’s fate would be sealed by Saudi Arabia joining the Abraham Accords contributed to Hamas’s decision-making. He cites The Economist and UN commentary describing Gaza’s conditions well before October 7, including extreme unemployment (approximately 60% among Gaza’s young people) and a collapse of basic services. - The interviewer asks why violence occurred given various nonviolent and diplomatic avenues. The professor notes that Hamas had attempted diplomacy, including reports of seeking a two-state solution or a hudna, cooperation with human rights investigations after prior Israeli operations, and support for nonviolent movements like the Great March of Return. He claims Hamas’s efforts were ignored and emphasizes the blockade’s impact on Gaza. He argues that while Hamas was not saints, they engaged with diplomacy and international law before resorting to violence in the face of Gaza’s dire conditions. - The West Bank vs. Gaza comparison is discussed. The professor argues that the goal in Gaza differs from that in other contexts; whereas other actors may aim to subordinate, Israel’s long-term aim in Gaza is described as making Gaza unlivable and controlling the territory, with support from various Arab states. - The interviewer questions the historical legitimacy of Gaza and Palestinian statehood. The professor rejects attempts to deny Palestinian existence or redefine Gaza’s status, insisting Gaza’s people are Palestinian and Gaza is not part of the West Bank, while acknowledging the historical complexities. - On the UN Security Council resolution and the “board of peace,” the professor describes the resolution as endorsing the Trump peace plan and naming Donald Trump as head of the board of peace, with the board operating with sovereign powers in Gaza and lacking external accountability. He asserts that this effectively grants Trump control over Gaza and foresees rebuilding timelines; he argues that reconstruction would take decades under current conditions, given rubble, toxins, unexploded ordnance, and the scale of destruction. - The future of Gaza is described pessimistically: Gaza is depicted as “gone” in the sense of a prolonged, uninhabitable landscape under an administratively transitional framework that does not guarantee meaningful reconstruction. The professor contends that Arab states endorsed the resolution under pressure and that some leaders feared severe economic repercussions if they opposed it. - The discussion closes with reflections on who benefits from the resolution and the overall trajectory for Gaza, including strong skepticism about any imminent or credible path to durable peace given the political arrangements described and the perceived long-term consequences for the Palestinian people.

The speaker discusses the Gaza Health Ministry's report on casualties in Gaza, pointing out that it does not mention combatants. They argue that Hamas and Palestinians lie about the number of civilian casualties and expect the world to believe that none of them are combatants. The speaker questions whether all combatants are men, over 18 years old, or affiliated with Hamas. They emphasize the importance of distinguishing between innocent civilians and non-civilians. The speaker criticizes colleagues who refuse to question this lie, stating that it perpetuates anti-Semitic riots and terrorism. They argue that this lie is a more persistent problem than previous false claims made by Rashida Tlaib.

Pro-Palestinian and pro-Israel speakers present their arguments regarding the conflict in Gaza. The pro-Israel speaker criticizes Palestine for relying on Israel's infrastructure while wanting to wipe it off the map. They also mention Hamas using EU-funded plumbing tubes for rockets. The pro-Palestinian speaker blames Israel and the US for the violence, accusing them of genocide. The pro-Israel speaker highlights a terrorist attack on Israel and mentions the aid given to Palestine by the US. The pro-Palestinian speaker claims thousands of Palestinians are killed daily, but this is disputed. The conversation ends abruptly.

The speaker discusses the military option and its consequences, stating that deliberate choices have led to disproportionate casualties among Palestinians. They argue that there is a confusion between Hamas and all Palestinians, and that the bombings have caused irreparable damage. The speaker estimates that there have been between 20,000 and 30,000 Palestinian deaths, with four times as many injured. They describe the situation as a carnage and emphasize the disproportionate nature of the conflict. Another speaker counters by mentioning the Israeli army's efforts to protect civilians and secure humanitarian corridors. The first speaker dismisses these claims, highlighting the desperation and helplessness of Palestinians in the face of bombings. Experts interviewed agree that this is one of the worst bombardments of the 21st century.

Israeli soldier is asked how many Palestinians he has killed. He responds with 20 and claims all in Gaza are Hamas, including children. The questioner questions the soldier about killing children and asks what type of gun was used.

Speaker 0 asserts that Bezalel Smotrich and Ben Gavir are “literally talking about exterminating the entire population of Gaza.” Speaker 1 counters that they are not talking about extermination. Speaker 0 insists the statements are brazen, up front, and what they actually want to do. Speaker 0 adds that Hamas is involved in a separate context. Speaker 0 says, “The West Bank had nothing to do with what happened on October 7, but they're annexing that land anyway. They're raining terror on innocent people, innocent Palestinians.” Speaker 0 concedes, “I am willing to admit, because it's the truth, that what Hamas did on October 7 was a fucking atrocity,” specifically mentioning killing innocent people. Speaker 1 challenges acknowledgement of atrocities against civilians in Gaza. Speaker 0 asks about a hospital being tapped; Speaker 1 responds that it’s an old terrorist trick and they do it “all the time.” Speaker 0 asks whether the IDF's action was wrong. Speaker 1 concedes, “I'm sure they have committed what we would call war crimes, as every army does in every war.” Speaker 0 notes, “Including our own.” Speaker 1 agrees, giving the Civil War example: Sherman burned Atlanta and Vad, arguing that despite brutality, the North were the good guys fighting slavery, and also noting Israel is fighting to survive and is the front line in the Western world. Speaker 0 disputes this, saying much of the problems in the Middle East come from an expansionist policy and that if Israel wasn’t trying to continue expanding, they would not be dealing with the enemies they’re dealing with. Speaker 1 disagrees that they ever were expanding, arguing they “were attacked” and that they “never been trying to expand.” Speaker 0 claims Israel is trying to annex the West Bank, southern Lebanon, and Syria, and argues they have succeeded in doing so. Speaker 1 says these are lands where they were attacked from when Israel became a country in 1947; he claims Israel said, “we will accept half a loaf,” and asserts they had as much right to that land as anybody, with a historical presence since a thousand BC when King David had a lineage. Speaker 0 dismisses this lineage-based argument as irrelevant to the present. Speaker 1 counters that it’s relevant, and asserts that the notion of wiping out innocent people merely because one’s ancestors lived there centuries ago is not acceptable. The conversation ends with Speaker 0 calling Palestinians colonizers, and Speaker 1 arguing they are not colonizers; they assert that Israel is annexing land, which, in their view, is described as colonization.

Speaker 0 asks if Speaker 1 has shot people like the guy in question. Speaker 1 admits to shooting innocent people at the Gaza Strip border. Speaker 0 accuses Speaker 1 of being a terrorist, and Speaker 1 defends their actions by claiming they have shot jihadists. Speaker 0 questions if Speaker 1 is the same person who made a derogatory comment about a Palestinian getting shot in the face. Speaker 1 tries to justify their actions by saying it's okay to shoot the person in the face and heart. The conversation ends abruptly.

Speaker 0 claims that Hamas is not a terrorist group, but a resistance that has been fighting against colonialism, occupation, and violence for 75 years. Speaker 1 questions if Canada is also a colonialist country. Speaker 0 insists that everything Hamas does is justified and denies allegations of beheaded babies, stating that it was fake news. Speaker 1 mentions the 1300 deaths, but Speaker 0 dismisses it as lacking evidence. Speaker 0 argues that Hamas, as a Muslim group, would not commit such acts as it goes against Islam. They also mention Israeli women who claim that Hamas fighters treated them respectfully and even asked for a banana to eat.

The speakers are discussing the permissibility of collateral damage in war and whether civilians can be considered collateral damage. They mention examples of targeting refugee camps, hospitals, and mosques, with one speaker claiming that Israel targeted a hospital. The other speaker challenges this claim and asks for evidence. They also question the credibility of the evidence presented by Israel. The conversation becomes heated as they debate the validity of the evidence.

A speaker claimed few people get wealthy, and another speaker alleged Al Qaeda killed their family in Palestine using AI and technology. The first speaker stated the primary source of death in Palestine is that Hamas has realized there are millions of useful idiots. Another speaker accused them of using AI and technology to kill Palestinians, not just terrorists. The first speaker responded that if the speaker's argument was strong, they would allow them to talk. The second speaker thanked anyone else who supports using technology and AI to kill Palestinians.

A speaker states that a genocide is occurring. Another speaker acknowledges the emotive nature of the word "genocide" and says Israelis claim they are only targeting Hamas, not civilians, through planned military incursions. The first speaker disputes this, stating the bombs are not being dropped in a targeted way. They claim an entire neighborhood was leveled, including the houses of their social media manager, estimating 100 deaths. The second speaker notes that Israelis deny genocide, saying strikes in Gaza are strategic and target Hamas. The first speaker insists this is not the case.

"You get 250,000 people already dead. Not 59,000, not 60,000. 200 plus thousand people, half of whom are women and children. And I should say a considerable number old people too. That's what you get." "So, Bibi, you're telling me Hamas killed all these people with the booby traps and everything? Oh, and, by the way, why did you need all those 250, 500 pound, and even 2,000 pound bombs? And why did you drop all those bombs if all these things you just talked about are true? You're a lying sack of shit. Sorry." "You're a lying sack of shit. Larry." "Yeah. I agree. I mean, you know, actually, that interview is a sign of Israel's is in trouble. Because up up to this, you know, I I don't think you've seen any Fox News reporters actually being led into Gaza to film, like this until now."

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss a sequence of war-related scenarios, making provocative comparisons and extreme claims about Israel, Hamas, and broader conflicts. Speaker 0 asserts that if Mexico occupied their land and then decided to cut off electricity and control inputs, it would be akin to Israel’s actions against Palestinians; he imagines a scenario where an occupying force could slaughter people for allegedly throwing rocks. Speaker 1 counters by noting Israel has nuclear weapons and that the world’s military power backs Israel. Speaker 0 asserts that Israel has nuclear weapons and that they do not use them, while Speaker 1 suggests Hamas would use a nuclear weapon in seconds if they had one, stating three seconds as the answer because it’s in Hamas’s charter. Speaker 0 asks how anyone could know that, and Speaker 1 cites the charter as justification. Speaker 0 argues that Hamas would be martyrs if they used a nuclear weapon against Israel, describing Hamas as having a death-cult view and noting that they strap suicide vests sometimes on children. He says people cannot see the moral difference between Hamas and Israel. Speaker 1 pushes back, saying they are not talking about extermination and notes that Basilel Smotrich and Ben Gavir have talked about exterminating the entire population of Gaza, while Speaker 0 claims the West Bank is another example and states that despite the West Bank having nothing to do with October 7, it is being annexed and that terror is being rained on innocent Palestinians, driving them from their homes. Speaker 0 acknowledges that what Hamas did on October 7 was a “fucking atrocity,” killing innocent people. He says he is willing to admit that atrocity, but he emphasizes his belief that the atrocities against civilians in Gaza are also significant. Speaker 1 concedes that the IDF and all armies commit war crimes in war and that “all wars are going to have atrocity.” Speaker 0 asks for acknowledgment of a double tap on a hospital; Speaker 1 describes the hospital incident as an old terrorist trick and confirms that such acts occur in war, but he emphasizes that all wars involve atrocities. The exchange references first responders and a vague memory of the event, with Speaker 0 asserting that first responders’ deaths and hospital strikes are part of the ongoing discussion, while Speaker 1 frames them within the broader context of war crimes by all sides. Overall, the dialogue juxtaposes occupation, nuclear deterrence, and moral atrocity claims on both sides, with explicit references to statements by Israeli political figures, Hamas, and the general conduct of war by all parties.

Speaker 0 argues that the Palestinian people are oppressed and suffer under the occupation. They acknowledge Hamas is an armed group, but they describe Hamas as a reaction to signals of injustice and oppression by Israel. They assert that you cannot talk about peace without justice for Palestine and express a desire to know how the other person addresses that claim. Speaker 1 responds by reframing the situation as a political conflict, stating that while there is ideology involved, the core is colonization. They describe a situation where “a fence” surrounds the people, drones fly above, and “everything is taken over there.” They insist that the people in question are not there voluntarily and describe the people breaking out of their camp as something that provokes anger, calling that a “very peculiar viewpoint.” They further claim that Hamas is largely supported and founded by Mossad, arguing that it was very handy to have Hamas to respond to reactions in the area. Speaker 0 asks for evidence to support that claim. Speaker 1 confirms that evidence exists and says they will post it on Twitter after the conversation. They add that the evidence can also be found from the Israeli government or authorities, describing it as a very specific source.

Interviewer and Professor engage in a wide-ranging discussion about October 7 and its aftermath, focusing on verified facts, contested claims, and the broader political context. - What is known about October 7: Professor states roughly 1,200 people were killed that day, with about 400 combatants and 800 civilians among the dead. He relies on authoritative human rights reports (UN Human Rights Council Commission of Inquiry, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch) but notes these organizations are not infallible. He maintains there is no compelling evidence that the deaths in Israel’s subsequent reaction were a significant portion of the total, and he rejects the claim that Hamas weaponized rape on October 7, arguing there is no evidence of mass rape and criticizing the idea as a political tactic. - Eyewitness testimony: The Professor criticizes eyewitness accounts that portray Israel as “the most moral army,” suggesting such testimonies may be biased by nationalistic or military-culture factors in Israel. He emphasizes that Israelis’ strong sense of unity and service in the army can influence narratives, and he questions the consistency of eyewitness reporting given the context of the festival attack. - The rape allegations: The UN Commission of Inquiry says it has no digital or photographic evidence of rape, and other officials (Pamela Patten, UN special envoy for conflict-related sexual violence) did not present direct forensic evidence. Patten examined thousands of photographs and hours of digital evidence but concluded there was no direct evidence of sexual violence on October 7. The Interviewer notes other outlets’ reports (BBC, New York Times) on rape and other abuses; the Professor counters by reiterating the lack of direct forensic or digital evidence and highlights inconsistencies in testimony and reporting. - Hamas planning and the larger context: The Professor traces Gaza’s humanitarian crisis back to long-term occupation, blockade, and international indifference. He cites early 2000s descriptions of Gaza as a concentration camp and describes deteriorating conditions through 2008 and beyond. He argues that by late 2023, Gaza faced extreme unemployment and social destruction, suggesting that the decision by Hamas to act on October 7 was shaped by a sense of urgency and desperation in a context where regional incentives (e.g., Saudi Arabia joining the Abraham Accords) had shifted, effectively signaling that Gaza’s prospects were collapsing. He asserts that Hamas sought diplomacy and international law prior to October 7, citing past attempts at truces and engagement with human rights organizations, and notes that these efforts were largely ignored. - Comparison of political paths in the region: The Interviewer draws contrasts between Gaza and the West Bank, noting the latter’s relatively different trajectory. The Professor argues that Israel’s goal is to subordinate rather than conquer, contrasting it with Egypt or Jordan and highlighting the Gaza situation as distinct from other regional dynamics. He asserts that the West Bank’s path remains different from Gaza’s, though critical of settlements. - The Trump peace plan and the Security Council resolution: The Professor explains that a UN Security Council resolution endorsed the Trump peace plan and established a “board of peace” with sovereign powers in Gaza, effectively transferring authority to a body headed by Donald Trump. He claims the resolution endorses the Trump plan in full and that the board answers to no external accountability, with a six-month reporting requirement to the Security Council. He contends that this amounted to “handing Gaza over” to Trump and argues that temporary transitional authority would be insufficient to address reconstruction and humanitarian needs, given Israel’s stated aim of making Gaza unlivable. - Arab states’ support and the geopolitical calculus: The Professor argues that many Arab states supported the resolution due to coercive pressure or incentives (e.g., economic consequences if they refused), and he criticizes their alignment as a “death warrant” for Gaza. He expresses deep skepticism about the motives of regional actors and dismisses the idea that their support signals genuine commitment to Gaza’s welfare or a viable path to reconstruction. - The future of Gaza: The Professor asserts that Gaza is effectively “gone,” citing World Bank and UNKDA/IMF assessments that rubble clearance and reconstruction would require decades (minimum 15 years for rubble clearance, potentially 80 years for reconstruction under previous rates). He contends that Israel’s objective has been to render Gaza uninhabitable, leaving residents with a choice to stay and die or flee, and he critiques the willingness of various Arab states to endorse terms that lock in that outcome. - Closing stance: The discussion ends with the Professor reaffirming his grim assessment of Gaza’s prospects under the current framework, while the Interviewer expresses a mix of skepticism and concern about regional dynamics and the path toward a two-state solution.

Speaker 0 asks about Palestinians in hospitals and babies on life support in Gaza whose power has been cut off by Israelis. Speaker 1 dismisses the question, saying they are fighting Nazis and don't target civilians. Speaker 0 tries to have a conversation, but Speaker 1 interrupts and raises their voice. Speaker 0 asserts their role as the host and asks Speaker 1 to address the situation, but Speaker 1 accuses Speaker 0 of shame. The conversation becomes heated and Speaker 1 refuses to engage further.

- On October 7, approximately 1,200 people were killed, with about 400 combatants and 800 civilians, according to the speaker who bases this on authoritative human rights reports (UN HRC Commission of Inquiry, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch). He notes that these organizations do not have perfect records but argues there is no compelling evidence that contradicts Hamas and other armed groups in Gaza being responsible for the majority of deaths, while there is no evidence that Israeli actions within Israel constituted a significant share of the total deaths. - The speaker contends there is no credible evidence of weaponized rape by Hamas on October 7. He discusses the UN Commission of Inquiry’s distinction between rape and sexual violence, and Pamela Patton’s report, which he says concluded there was no direct digital or photographic evidence of sexual violence on October 7, despite reviewing thousands of photographs and hundreds of hours of digital evidence. He argues the rape claim relies on assertions by observers and advocates rather than verifiable forensic or photographic proof. - Eyewitness testimony is challenged as being part of a pattern that could promote a narrative of Israeli moral exceptionalism; the speaker asserts that some eyewitness accounts “tell you Israel is the most moral army in the world” and notes that many such testimonies come from sources described as biased, with Israeli soldiers often embedded in a siege mentality. He suggests that Israeli society, with a citizen army and strong military culture, may have incentives to shape or repeat certain stories. - The speaker discusses Hamas’s planning and motives in the years leading to October 7, describing Gaza as an “inferno under the Israeli occupation.” He cites early 2000s characterizations of Gaza as a concentration camp by Israeli officials and UN/Human Rights reports, and notes the blockade and economic collapse. He explains that in 2023, Gaza was described by The Economist as a “rubber sheep” and by others as a toxic dump, with extremely high unemployment (60% of youth) and a deteriorating social fabric. The anticipated end of Gaza’s struggle was seen when Saudi Arabia joined the Abraham Accords, leading the speaker to say Gaza’s fate was sealed. - The discussion on Hamas’s shift to violence notes Hamas had previously tried diplomacy, international law (including cooperation with human rights organizations after Operation Cast Lead and Operation Protective Edge), and even nonviolent strategies like the Great March of Return (endorsed by Hamas). The UN report on the March of Return found demonstrators overwhelmingly nonviolent, while Israel was accused of targeting civilians. The speaker argues Hamas pursued multiple avenues but faced a harsh blockade and a failing prospect of improvement. - Regarding the broader regional context, the speaker asserts that the West Bank and Gaza have different trajectories; Egypt and Jordan are seen as neutralizing or stabilizing forces, while the West Bank’s situation is contrasted with Gaza’s harsher conditions. He argues that the goal in places like Egypt is to neutralize, whereas Israel’s policy toward Gaza is described as cleansing or subjugation, a distinction he says differentiates regional dynamics. - The speaker critiques the UN Security Council’s handling of Gaza, describing a 2023 resolution (UNSC Resolution 2803) that endorses the Trump peace plan and creates a “board of peace” with sovereign powers in Gaza, headed by Donald Trump, and notes that no external body supervises this board beyond a quarterly report to the Security Council. He claims this arrangement renders Gaza effectively under a transitional administration, with reconstruction timelines alarmingly long (fifty to eighty years to rebuild) and a minimal chance of Israel withdrawing from the green zone. - He argues that after October 7, the board’s governance path, the Trump plan, and Arab states’ support for the resolution collectively resulted in Gaza’s “death warrant,” with reconstruction hampered by deliberate destruction and political arrangements that preclude meaningful self-determination or statehood for Gaza. - On international reactions, the speaker notes varying support for Gaza among Arab nations and emphasizes that some regional actors (including Turkey, Egypt, Qatar, and others) endorsed handing Gaza to Trump; he accuses these states of compromising Gaza’s future for broader geopolitical aims and accuses several of “slavery and subservience” to such outcomes. - The concluding portion covers Gaza’s future: the speaker reiterates that Gaza has effectively been made unlivable, with rubble and toxic contamination delaying any reconstruction for decades, and he maintains that the path to a two-state solution remains contested, with the Trump-led framework limiting Palestinian rights and self-determination. He indicates he has just completed a book on UN corruption and the Security Council’s role in Gaza, titled Gaza’s Gravediggers, and suggests that the UN declaration of war on Gaza nullifies international law regarding self-determination.

Speaker 0 asks the total number of civilians killed. Speaker 1: "the estimate currently is that there is something in in the realm of one terrorist killed, and in that context, two civilians killed. So that's a very, very low rate." Speaker 0: "Thousand civilians have been killed?" Speaker 1: "Those would be the estimates." Speaker 1 later notes: "there's absolutely no differentiation between terrorists who have been killed and civilians who" and adds "the Gaza Health Ministry, which is Hamas run"—"these are estimates. Nobody knows with any certainty." Speaker 1: "It's approximately two civilians per enemy combatant. Okay." Speaker 0: "So in other words, 60,000 civilians have been killed. Is that what you're saying?" Speaker 1: "Two civilians to one terrorist."

The speaker was asked how many civilians have been killed in Gaza. The speaker responded, "Who gives a shit? Okay." The speaker then stated, "Children grow up to be Arabs."

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss the situation in Gaza. Speaker 0 argues that Israel is defending itself after a massacre, while Speaker 1 highlights the civilian casualties and calls for a temporary ceasefire. Speaker 0 questions why France considers the numbers provided by a terrorist organization reliable. Speaker 1 mentions alternative military strategies to minimize civilian casualties, but Speaker 0 dismisses the idea, stating that Israel knows how to conduct its military operations. The conversation becomes heated as Speaker 0 accuses Speaker 1 of treating Israel like a child and disregarding its military expertise. Speaker 1 clarifies that the information comes from American sources. The discussion ends with Speaker 0 questioning why Israel would give advice to the French military when they don't fund it.

Speaker 0, an IDF soldier from Israel, is asked about the IDF bombing Gaza and killing children. The soldier claims to not have knowledge about it and states that they only bombed Gaza in response to being bombed themselves. When asked about the reasons behind the bombings, the soldier admits to not knowing. The conversation then shifts to the history of Palestine and Israel, with the soldier denying that Palestine existed before 1948. The other person argues that Palestine still exists and is currently occupied. Tensions rise as the soldier threatens the other person, claiming to kill every Palestinian they see.

In this video, the host interviews a guest about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The guest, who is pro-Palestinian, criticizes the host for introducing her as controversial. They discuss the killing of civilians and the use of force by both sides. The guest questions the host's sources and asks for evidence of certain claims. The host defends Israel's right to defend itself and argues that Hamas is a terrorist organization. They debate the proportionality of Israel's response and the possibility of a two-state solution. The guest highlights the importance of international law and criticizes the Trump administration's actions. The interview ends with the host giving the guest more time to speak.