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"I wouldn't be surprised one bit. I am convinced based on my own sources and my own reporting on this story. He wasn't one of ours." "I guess Mossad given his connection to Ghislain Maxwell." "it's possible that that's the reason everything's getting buried." "as for whether he was an agent, that I don't know. I I haven't looked into that. I'll get back to you." "And, Megan, remember, Alexander Acosta in 02/2007, he said he was told to treat Epstein carefully because he was an intel asset." "His subpoena, his search warrant on Jeffrey Epstein's residence was very narrow. It was not the kind of like, let's get everything inside this guy's, you know, dressers and so on." "We did not find the magic documents or photos or evidence of anything." "And why not? I don't know. We'll ever know why not."

The conversation centers on the ongoing examination of Jeffrey Epstein’s files and what they reveal, with a focus on disturbing content, coded language, and the reliability of the material. - The speakers note the FBI’s earlier claim that there was no sex trafficking, calling that claim gaslighting given the scale of material now public. They emphasize the last four file dumps as “unbelievable” in their volume and in the disturbing, often coded language contained within. - They discuss how widespread Epstein’s influence appears to be, noting that Epstein’s activities touch many high-profile figures across politics and business. Names that repeatedly surface include former president Bill Clinton (clearly named in one journal entry) and former president Donald Trump (referenced repeatedly, sometimes with redactions that leave the identity ambiguous). Other figures mentioned include Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz, and Ivanka Trump, among others. They point out that some references are explicit, while others are obfuscated or redacted. - A central feature of the material is the use of code words to describe sexual abuse and trafficking. The participants give several examples: - The journal of a 16-year-old Epstein trafficking victim uses coded language; words like “yucky,” “gross,” and other terms are interpreted by an attorney as code for sexual assault. The journal explicitly mentions Chelsea Clinton in one passage and references to Bill Clinton, with the implication of inappropriate acts. - “Pizza” is repeatedly identified as a common code word in emails and journals, linked by some to the broader Pizza Gate lore, and sometimes paired with “grape soda” or “beef jerky” as coded references. They note that “pizza” appears over 900 times in some files, and “grape soda” is mentioned in the context of sexual references or secret messages. - The reliability and credibility of victims’ accounts are discussed. The 16-year-old victim’s journals include extraordinary claims (for example, about having Epstein’s child), and the speakers acknowledge that some allegations are “out outrageous” and may be difficult to corroborate. They stress the need for more forensic verification to determine what is authentically attributable to the victim and what may be embellishment or misinterpretation. They mention claims that a baby allegedly connected to Ghislain Maxwell and Epstein existed, but note that there is no independent corroboration of a child, while other entries discuss the possibility of egg freezing and related issues. - Redactions are scrutinized. Some names are clearly identifiable (e.g., Clinton, Chelsea), while others (including a Trump-related item) are redacted or partially disclosed. The hosts suggest the redactions may reflect AI-assisted and manual redaction, with some omissions caused by the sheer volume of material and potential misses during processing. They acknowledge that some files were removed after the initial release due to redaction errors, which complicates interpretation. - The discussion moves to Epstein’s personal network and possible roles as a liaison or intelligence asset. They observe Epstein’s connections to Middle Eastern figures and governments, including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UAE, and speculate about possible associations with Mossad, Saudi intelligence, and other agencies. They discuss Epstein’s travel history, mentions of forged or fake passports, and the possibility that he might have contemplated operating outside the United States. - The material includes extensive photographic and video evidence. The speakers remark on the sheer number of images and videos, the presence of many well-known individuals in Epstein’s orbit, and body-language cues suggesting Epstein treated others as objects for his pleasure. They note that even after his 2008 conviction, Epstein remained photographed in public settings, implying ongoing power dynamics and influence. - The possibility that Epstein is alive is entertained, sparked by references to a possible escape plan and by discussion of questions around his death. They analyze a document scribbled in jail that the speaker interprets as an escape plan, including references to red notices, visas, banks, and “blackmail,” and discuss the idea that the death could have been staged or influenced by external actors. They contrast this with official accounts that describe Epstein’s death as suicide, while acknowledging inconsistencies in the DOJ and inspector general reports, and noting new observations such as delayed camera activity and reports of document shredding. - They conclude that the scope of material is enormous (tens of thousands to millions of pages, images, and videos), with three point something million released out of six point something million known to exist. They caution that the released files likely represent the tip of the iceberg and emphasize the value of collaboration among investigators, journalists, and researchers to parse the data. - Throughout, Epstein’s associates—including Maxwell and high-profile figures in politics and entertainment—are repeatedly examined in terms of possible roles, affiliations, and complicity, alongside broader questions about intent, corroboration, and the interpretation of coded language within the files.

Epstein was building control files using sex entrapment and laundering money. $21 trillion disappeared from the Department of Defense (DOD) and Housing and Urban Development (HUD) while Epstein was operating. Rubin, who became Secretary of Treasury, took Epstein to the White House in 1994. After Rubin went to Treasury, money started disappearing and Epstein's wealth ballooned. Epstein was laundering money coming out of DOD. His relationships with Mossad and Israeli intelligence are relevant, as Mossad was taking over DOD while money went missing. Cybersecurity and IT in the Israeli constellation were active in government at that time. If the Epstein files are released, people will connect Epstein, Mossad, the growing power of Israel and APAC, and the location of pension fund money. The institution that laundered $20 trillion also ran Operation Warp Speed. If the Epstein files come out, people will connect too many dots, with dramatic ramifications for the financial system.

The government's lack of interest in investigating Epstein's activities and the people associated with him is questioned. It is suggested that this lack of interest may be explained by the involvement of individuals from both the Clinton and Obama circles. Specifically, the current CIA chief under Biden and Obama's former top White House lawyer are implicated.

Headline evidence from Jeffrey Epstein's safe went missing after an FBI raid, according to court testimony in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial. The speaker, a former federal agent, stated that they don't understand how evidence could be lost in such a high-profile case, given the strict protocols for cataloging and securing evidence in an evidence vault. The only time the speaker recalls seeing evidence lost was during 9/11 when the Secret Service office in 7 World Trade Center collapsed. The speaker also addressed an email regarding Epstein, Clinton, and a plane. The speaker stated that a friend who was on a plane with Epstein and Clinton witnessed suspicious activity. The friend has not provided permission to share the full story or specific details, but did allow the speaker to say that the events were "very odd" and bothered him. The speaker claims the friend's credibility is "unimpeachable."

Epstein was not some sort of whiz kid hedge fund manager. Epstein was playing a part. Epstein was a LARPer. And this is no longer just speculation. Members of congress are actively being blackmailed. The Epstein playbook is being used on a daily basis. Jeffrey Epstein was not a financier. Jeffrey Epstein was not a hedge fund manager. Jeffrey Epstein was a key player in a multi decade blackmail operation against the most powerful people on the planet. Epstein was a creation of Mossad, Israeli intelligence, American intelligence, Saudi intelligence, or maybe he was just a hired gun. Yeah? Just a tiny bit.

Speaker 1 says that the real information about the Epstein files has not come out and that “there were only four Republicans, four of us that’s really fought to get them released,” who “signed the discharge petition, went against the White House,” and were “threatened,” with Donald Trump calling him a traitor and saying his friends would be hurt. He questions why anyone would vote for Republicans if the administration doesn’t release all the information, framing it as a line in the sand for many people. Speaker 0 asks why they think the Epstein files are being hidden. Speaker 1 responds that it’s because the hidden information would protect “some of the most rich, powerful people,” arguing that Epstein was “definitely some sort of part of the intelligence state” who was “working with Israel” and with the “former prime minister of Israel.” He asserts that these are “the dirty parts of government and the powers that be that they don’t want the American people to know about.” He concludes that, sadly, he doesn’t think the files will come out. Speaker 0 presses on whether Trump is in the Epstein files. Speaker 1 speculates that if someone is “living under blackmail” or “living under threat” and told not to release information, that fear could influence actions. He suggests that someone might be warned by threats to prevent disclosure, giving a hypothetical example: after standing on a rally stage, you could be shot in the ear and warned that “next time we won’t miss,” or that the bullet might be for someone you care about. He says he is “speculating,” but notes he has “a strong enough reason to speculate like that.”

I was once told by a reporter at Fox that Epstein was an intelligence asset for people in the Middle East. This person was absolutely sure that Epstein was either knowingly or unknowingly working as an intelligence asset. It's a mistake to assume that Epstein was the only one with access to the videotapes from his plane and island. The reason some people wanted the Epstein story to disappear is because many assume that Epstein was the only one who had damaging information on powerful people. According to my source, that is not the case. It makes sense that the blackmail story is more widespread than people know. I do not know which Middle Eastern countries were involved.

The speaker believes Jeffrey Epstein was connected to intelligence, as Vicki Ward reported, and that the DOJ was told to leave him alone in 2008. They claim there's been a cover-up and will publish a video detailing the exact documents the DOJ should seek and individuals to question. The speaker believes the Epstein intelligence connection hasn't been investigated due to the Pandora's box it opens. They think public outrage might force some disclosure. The speaker attributes the suppression of information to a combination of donors and national security officials with intersecting interests who have influence over the White House and executive branch agencies. They claim Trump World donors were involved in Epstein's network. If Epstein's intelligence ties are confirmed, every aspect of his career would be scrutinized to determine which intelligence agency was involved, triggering intense investigation into his dealings. This, combined with donor pressure, has created a power struggle for the White House.

The speaker discusses public outrage following claims from the Department of Justice and FBI that there was no Epstein client list, no blackmail, and that Epstein killed himself. Pam Bondi stated she had a file to review, including JFK and MLK files. While there may not be a single client list, Bill Clinton's name appeared in Epstein's phone log 21 times, and flight logs show numerous trips to Epstein's island. Bondi said flight logs with many names would be released, but they have not been. Bondi stated that thousands of videos turned out to be child porn downloaded by Epstein, but reports indicate Epstein's residences were rigged with video cameras capturing footage of bedrooms and bathrooms. The FBI seized hundreds of hard drives, USBs, CDs, and backup servers from Epstein's properties, some labeled "nude girl pics." Bondi had no knowledge of Epstein being an agent. Epstein had over $500 million and three US passports, plus an Australian passport listing Saudi Arabia as his home country. The speaker concludes that the current narrative attempts to rewrite what is known about Epstein and that the hope for transparency has been snuffed out.

I was once told by a reporter at Fox that Epstein was an intelligence asset for people in the Middle East. The reporter was sure that Epstein was either a witting or unwitting asset, and that his plane and island were likely bugged with cameras. There's a misconception that Epstein was the sole owner of the videotapes, but that's not the case. According to the source, others had them too, which is why the blackmail story makes sense. I'm unsure which Middle Eastern countries are involved, but the reporter swore that Epstein was an intelligence asset. It's possible that these countries are using the videos to influence powerful decision-makers.

Nick Bryant and Brian (the host) discuss a new tranche of Jeffrey Epstein-related documents and the broader implications of the material that has surfaced. Key points and claims from the conversation: - Torture emails: Four emails in the torture section reference explicit discussions of torture, including an exchange with the UAE Sultan (referred to as “the Sultan”) mentioning a torture video and a note that the Sultan was in China; a Harvard professor, Martin Nowak, with Epstein noting “Did you torture her?”; and an Italian hedge fund partner, with Epstein asking “do you want me to try to do her or just torture her?” These emails raise questions about the cruelty described, with Nick noting that “these are incriminating emails,” while Brian observes that some messages suggest saving details for a phone call. - The broader pattern: Nick emphasizes that Epstein seemingly operated “above the law” and communicated with a circle that believes they are beyond accountability. He notes that some emails include casual references to pizza, muffins, and dinner, but that the torture-related messages are especially ominous. - Zoro Ranch and possible graves: The discussion revisits the Zoro Ranch (New Mexico) with claims about trafficking and possible burials. An extreme email from 2019, allegedly from Edward, describes two foreign girls buried on orders of Epstein and Maxwell, with multiple attached videos and extortion demands. Nick mentions reports that a Fox News story covered stolen USBs containing underage footage, though Fox News reportedly declined to view the material. The possibility that bodies are buried at Zoro Ranch remains a focal point of speculation. - Baby and cloning themes: The conversation covers allegations of a “baby factory” at Zoro Ranch and discussions of human cloning. Nick cites a 1995 Dolly the Sheep milestone and explains how cloning could be technically possible, suggesting Epstein might have been intrigued by the idea of cloning himself. They discuss emails about black market babies and Epstein’s interest in having a baby, with a direct claim that Epstein asked a victim to have his baby. Nick notes that another victim, Rina Oh, described Epstein asking her to have his baby, and that additional victims corroborate similar inquiries. - Eugenics, hormones, and infant development: The dialogue mentions an email from Robert Trevers about hormone manipulation to shape newborns (male/female genitalia) and a UCLA neuroscientist, Mark Trammell, describing “how to enhance a baby’s sucking ability” via a provocative email to Epstein. The pair stress how shocking these emails appear because they involve high-profile academics communicating with Epstein. - Access to classified material and international links: An email allegedly from a former Norwegian prime minister forwarding a “classified” polio report to Bill Gates is cited as an example of Epstein’s access to sensitive information and high-level networks. They question how Epstein could access and share classified data, though they acknowledge his extensive intelligence-community connections. - Intelligence connections and power networks: The discussion explores how Epstein might have operated as a blackmailer within a web of powerful individuals. Nick argues Epstein could not have controlled or coerced the most powerful people on his own; instead, an intelligence-backed network or protection might exist. They reference the possibility that Epstein worked with both Israeli and American intelligence, noting Channel 4’s reporting that only a fraction of the millions of documents have been released, and that Israeli intelligence reportedly installed security systems at Epstein’s Manhattan apartment, which could suggest access to additional material. - Notable named figures and procurement patterns: They discuss Les Wexner (Victoria’s Secret founder), Reid Hoffman, Howard Lutnick, Alan Dershowitz, and others as individuals who should be looked into more deeply. Nick asserts Wexner’s involvement in Epstein’s operations and suggests that some procureurs—like Sarah Kellen, Leslie Groff, Adriana Marcincova, and Adriana Ross—could be indicted if the government shows the will to prosecute. They maintain that a congressional commission could reveal why child trafficking was covered up and who perpetrated it. - Legal and political action: Nick promotes Epstein Justice (epsteinjustice.com) and advocates for an independent congressional commission comprised of non-government personnel to investigate and prosecute perpetrators. He argues that, with political will, authorities could file indictments and compel witnesses to testify. Surprising or unique elements emphasized: - The extent of explicit torture discussions in Epstein-related emails and their potential implications for criminal liability. - The assertion of a “baby factory” at Zoro Ranch and the possibility of baby-related genetic or reproductive experiments involving Epstein’s circle. - Claims of frequent, direct engagement with high-level public figures and academics on ethically or legally egregious topics, including cloning, hormone manipulation in infants, and sexual exploitation. - The suggestion that Epstein’s material could be tied to intelligence agencies (Israeli and American), with security systems installed by the Israeli government at Epstein’s residence used as potential evidence of deeper access to incriminating material. Concluding note: Nick urges ongoing public pressure for an independent congressional commission to uncover why child trafficking was allegedly covered up and to prosecute perpetrators, stressing that investigators would need to rely on the testimony of victims who feel safe to come forward.

The transcript centers on a long-form discussion of the Epstein case, the alleged “deep state,” FOIA operations, and political maneuvering around Trump, with frequent calls to aggressively release and pursue Epstein-related documents and other investigations. The speakers assert that the FOIA department is being used to shield deep-state ties and that many federal offices are filled with anti-Trump figures who have prevented full disclosure. - Epstein files and the role of the deep state - The speakers claim the Epstein files are being selectively redacted by FOIA departments to conceal deep-state connections. They state that FOIA personnel are controlled by deep-state actors and that Epstein’s case involves a “fleet of aircraft” and operations linked to major power centers. They argue Epstein’s activities connect to money laundering, information laundering, and a broader set of deep-state assets and operations. - They propose a remedy: appoint Tom Fitton as special counsel on the Epstein files, arguing he “knows how FOIA really works,” understands key personnel, and has litigated Epstein-related cases for years. They assert this would restore public confidence and expedite the exposure of Democratic ties and other actors alleged to be involved. - They advocate for Trump to have executive-privilege-style powers to declassify and release Epstein materials, suggesting a broad interpretation of “Epstein file law” that would allow him to disclose or appoint an ombudsman with power to release materials at will. They emphasize the need to disclose Democratic ties and to hold press conferences when releasing documents, avoiding the use of fake documents or videos. - Specific figures and institutions named - Kash Patel is cited as saying there are “open files on a dozen plus coconspirators” and as someone who has noted alleged misdirections by those handling Epstein-related material. - Kyle Serafin and Phil Kennedy are mentioned as documenting a person at the FBI capacity who is “an anti-Trump advocate,” implying that deep-state appointments control FOIA and related processes. - Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss replacing FOIA and related personnel who are deeply implicated; they specifically name Tom Fitton as the ideal choice and entertain other high-profile figures like Tulsi Gabbard as potential custodians of the Epstein disclosures. - Tulsi Gabbard is described as being in charge of broader investigations tied to the Epstein files and other major political issues (elections, COVID-19, etc.). They also reference “Epstein files” intersecting with other investigations they attribute to the deep state. - Epstein, Maxwell, and allied networks - Epstein is described as deeply embedded with Western intelligence agencies (French, Israeli, UK, and US) and tied to Robert Maxwell, with Maxwell’s daughter linked to Epstein. Epstein is portrayed as having been “recruited by Bill Barr” and as a central figure in a long-running intelligence and blackmail operation. - The discussion links Epstein to Leslie Wexner (Victoria’s Secret founder) and a French talent agency, portraying these connections as part of a large, interconnected network involved in money laundering, arms trafficking, blackmail, and intelligence work. - The speakers insist that Epstein’s activities extended to the late 1990s and beyond, including alleged involvement in “Shutters” in Santa Monica and other high-profile cases, with a consistent pattern of using underage girls and blackmail to exert influence. - They emphasize a broader motive: exposing the “deep state” to vindicate Trump and indict deep-state actors who allegedly engaged in illicit operations, including foreign intelligence services and Western governments. - The broader political frame and potential indictments - The Epstein files are presented as a potential hinge for indicting a wide array of figures across political lines, including references to Comey, Mueller, Hillary Clinton-era actors, and other “rogue actors” who allegedly hindered investigations. - The conversation ties Epstein to broader themes: the 2020 election, COVID policies, and anti-Trump actions by the “deep state.” They contend that the Epstein disclosures could demonstrate the depth of state interference in political processes and media, making Democrats and their institutions targets of accountability. - They argue the Epstien files could show criminal activity by multiple national actors, including Israeli, UK, and French components, and could reveal coordinated efforts to derail Trump and manipulate media narratives. - The Candace Owens angle and related criticisms - A substantial portion of the dialogue critiques Candace Owens, alleging she is running a “CIA-style” operation that distracts from the true conspiracy around the deep state and Tarantifa, and that she manipulates narratives related to Tyler Robinson and Charlie Kirk. - They accuse Owens of shifting narratives, fabricating alibis, and promoting disinformation, calling her a “SIOP” (psychological operation) and alleging her behind-the-scenes connections to MI6 or other international actors through her husband (George Farmer) and other associates. - They recount multiple incidents where Owens purportedly changed stories about meetings, alibis, and involvement in various investigations, asserting she uses “receipts” selectively and inconsistently to support divergent claims. - The speakers allege that Owens’s public warfare against Trump and TP USA is part of a broader intelligence operation intended to disrupt conservative momentum, link to Royal/MI6 circles, and undermine investigations into the deep state and its networks. - Tyler Robinson case and media dynamics - They describe Tyler Robinson as a Middle American figure whose transformation into a political actor is portrayed as a product of online radicalization and Tarantifa-linked influences. They claim there was a concerted effort to spoon-feed disinformation about Robinson and Candace Owens’ involvement. - They argue this is part of a larger pattern of media manipulation and disinformation designed to distract from real conspiracies and to target Trump and conservative movements. - Strategy and messaging guidance - The speakers advocate for Trump to go on the offensive with Epstein, releasing comprehensive, verified documentation, and pushing accountability for “rogue actors” in the FBI, the DOJ, the CIA, and the NSA. - They stress the need for aggressive prosecution and the appointment of trusted figures to lead the Epstein disclosures, arguing that this could restore public confidence and pivot the political conversation toward accountability for the deep state. - They urge addressing the statute of limitations issues in COVID, January 6, and 2020 election-related cases before the window closes in early 2026, warning that delays by Bondi, Blanche, and others could jeopardize prosecutions and political support. - Promotional and logistical notes - The dialogue includes frequent mentions of promoting Alex Jones programs, products, and stores (alexjonesstore.com and infowarsstore.com) to fund operations, along with appeals to listeners to support the broadcasts financially and through purchases, framing financial support as essential to sustaining investigations, media efforts, and broader political action. In sum, the transcript presents an entangled, aggressively conspiratorial narrative: a claim that Epstein’s files illuminate a vast, deeply embedded deep-state apparatus spanning multiple nations and agencies; a call to appoint trusted figures (notably Tom Fitton) to supervise full disclosure; a push for Trump to declassify and publicly prosecute the implicated actors; a harsh critique of Candace Owens as part of a disinformation ecosystem; and a broader strategy to use Epstein, along with related investigations, to dismantle perceived institutional corruption while fueling political narratives and fundraising.

People are talking about Epstein's relations with Ahud Barak. A lot of emails got leaked, and it included Peter Thiel. Reporting Carbine, their security company. But all of that was mapped out a long time ago.

I was once told by a reporter at Fox that Epstein was an intelligence asset for people in the Middle East. I didn't know that. This reporter was absolutely sure that Epstein was either a witting or unwitting asset, meaning his plane and island were likely equipped with cameras, and the tapes weren't exclusively in Epstein's custody. The reason certain people wanted the Epstein story to disappear is because they assumed Epstein was the only one with compromising material. According to my source, that wasn't the case. These assets and the blackmail story make sense because of this. I don't know which Middle Eastern countries were involved, but the reporter swore Epstein was an asset. They may have had his plane wired and have all the compromising material. How do we know some countries aren't influencing power players with blackmail?

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss the ongoing investigations into the Epstein-Israel connection. Speaker 1 explains that Robsat has been examining Epstein’s ties to the Israeli government, Israeli security services, and Israeli private firms connected to the security sector, which are heavily involved in tech surveillance. Epstein is described as a very critical node in this network. The recent email dump is noted as chaotic and not fully accessible, with about 3,000,000 documents released, roughly half of what the DOJ reportedly has. There is mention of another roughly 3,000,000 files that remain unseen, and that lawmakers like Ro Khanna and Thomas Massey have raised this issue. The currently released material may only be the tip of the iceberg, and fuller analysis awaits chronological organization to understand the conversations in context. Speaker 1 notes that prior reporting relied on very limited Epstein files and involuntary releases from hacked material—such as an intrusion into Ehud Barak’s inbox—which revealed Epstein’s extensive, far-reaching involvement with figures and institutions in Israel’s political and security establishment. Epstein’s role is described as a resource and a critical node used for connections, money, political leverage, and global influence, rather than simply being a Mossad agent. The forthcoming documents are expected to enable more stories about Israel’s global influence through Epstein, including in Africa, Central Asia, Europe, North America, and Russia. Speaker 0 asks about the significance of Epstein informing Ehud Barak, especially in light of Palantir’s actions, and why Barak would need this information if Palantir would proceed independently. Speaker 1 responds by noting that Ehud Barak was leaving public service and, like many former politicians, sought to leverage access gained in office to generate private wealth while pursuing ongoing political aims. Epstein was assisting Barak in developing him as a tech security mogul. Barak apparently did not know Palantir well at that time, illustrating Epstein’s role in shaping and linking these tech surveillance interests. Speaker 1 adds that Palantir was reportedly attempting to hire Israel’s UN ambassador, Ron Prosor, indicating a very intimate relationship between the Israeli political/security establishment and Palantir, which also has ties to the American intelligence community. Epstein’s interest in surveillance technology aligned with his broader access to intelligence networks and financial resources to influence the technological landscape. The transcript ends with Speaker 0 interjecting a promotional advertisement for gold and silver (which should be omitted from the summary per instructions).

Host: Epstein is Pizzagate. Ten years ago, Pizzagate was the top Twitter trend, with the claim that pedophile elites preyed on children deemed insane by many. I was the first mainstream reporter to dare present the facts around Pizzagate; my corporate career was destroyed, and others who suggested it were blacklisted or shadow banned. But just days ago, the largest dump of Epstein files revealed what some of us have been telling you for a decade: Pizzagate is real. Not that there’s a pizza parlor at the center of a child trafficking ring, but that child trafficking rings run by powerful people do exist. Tonight, I want to remind you of what I told you then and compare it to what we have learned. Guest: Pizzagate became a major story when an armed man went to a DC-area pizza place to investigate for himself, firing a rifle at the floor. The media labeled the entire story a hoax or fake news. I spent the last month investigating. So what exactly is Pizzagate? The story known as Pizzagate did not begin with a rumor, nor was it created by Macedonian sheep farmers as CNN claimed. It began with WikiLeaks, authentic verified emails from John Podesta, the chairman of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. Those emails were real, and within them were communications that researchers and former law enforcement found unusual. A group of self-proclaimed pedophiles on 4chan and 8chan claimed Podesta was using their coded language. An urban dictionary entry from 2010 confirms that “cheese pizza” is a commonly coded term for child pornography. Host: I want you to see these images. The triangle in the Besta Pizza logo was linked to a “boy lover” image, and Besta Pizza changed its logo after Pizzagate investigators pointed it out, removing the triangle. Guest: Ten years ago I was dismissed as a dangerous conspiracy theorist for suggesting pedophiles and possibly elite pedophiles might use coded language, even though online pedophiles themselves acknowledged it. The new Epstein release mentions the word “pizza” 911 times in emails, often paired with “grape soda.” Examples include: “Well, this is better than a Chinese cookie. Let’s go for pizza and grape soda again.” “Mister Epstein would like to see the menu from the pizza place. Could you someone send it, please?” and a 2014 note: “Are you sitting? Jeffrey says he wants to go out to a pizza place with you.” The emails range around 2014, similar to the Podesta emails published by WikiLeaks, which started the Pizzagate saga. Host: There was talk about the Podesta brothers; John Podesta’s email showed a close relationship with Dennis Hastert, who was sentenced to fifteen months for abusing boys. An email from John Podesta to his brother Tony, “last night was fun,” begins with “still in torture chamber.” A 2009 Epstein email asking “where are you? You okay? I love the torture video” gained attention. Guest: The Epstein files show communications between elites—from a co-owner of an NFL team to billionaires like Elon Musk—described in coverage as a closer look at connections from Hollywood to Washington and beyond. CNN and other outlets allegedly suppressed discussion for a decade, conditioning the public to ignore the topic. There has been no public investigation by local police, the FBI, or others, raising the question of why no investigation has taken place. This is presented as evidence that the establishment protected and sustained this evil by avoiding honest engagement in 2016, choosing mockery over investigation, thereby creating the environment in which the mystery could thrive. Epstein is Pizzagate, and Pizzagate is bigger than Jeffrey Epstein alone.

The speaker claims to have compiled an Epstein client list using victims' testimonies, internal emails, court documents, settlements, financial records, and staff testimony, not a single "black book." This list was released publicly in 2019 but received little attention due to the speaker's prior cancellation for opposing Israel. The speaker asserts that Epstein was working for a foreign government, compromising powerful Americans. Contrary to popular belief, people *have* been prosecuted and companies have paid large settlements related to Epstein, but it's not publicized. Jean Luc Brunel, allegedly the number three man in the Epstein ring, was arrested but died in prison. The speaker believes the truth about Epstein is being ignored, similar to 9/11 conspiracy theories. They state that videos from Epstein's properties exist and that many pedophiles and human traffickers are being arrested, but the media is silent. The speaker shares pages from the list and urges someone with media reach to discuss the issue.

"There's no Epstein list. There are no Epstein files." "All of the real story begins in 02/1967 when he's arrested in Palm Beach." "The search warrant basically protected him and it prevented the authorities from collecting meaningful information." "It was like, you're allowed to look in Drawer 3 but not Drawer 4." "So the truth is the US government doesn't have that much." "Massive transfer of money from this guy Les Wexner in Ohio to Jeffrey Epstein." "Leon Black, same thing. He says for accounting services, that's clearly not true." "That's not about Mossad or MI6 or CIA. Right." "So I think as usual, the crime is right in front of our faces."

The speaker discusses Epstein-related documents and the implications people draw from them. They claim: - The memo circulated with media suggesting Jeffrey Epstein worked for the KGB, and that Epstein might have had multiple passports, talked to Israeli politicians and Jewish businessmen, and repeatedly invokes his Jewish identity. - In an email with former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, Epstein says he’s totally not working for Mossad. - Former Mossad officer Ari Ben Menashe says Epstein was working for Mossad. - In documents, Mark Iverson states that Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwell, and Jeffrey Epstein were working for Mossad; the speaker asserts that Robert Maxwell was not a Soviet spy. - British Foreign Office and Israeli whistleblowers say Epstein was working for Mossad, and he was given a hero’s burial in Israel, not in Russia. - In an actual email with Peter Thiel, Epstein says that he represents the Rothschild family. - The speaker poses questions: If a Russian passport proves he works for Russia, does boarding CIA planes prove he works for the United States? If he has a blackmail list on United Kingdom politicians, does that prove he works for the British? If he talks to Emmanuel Macron and prime minister Nicolas Sarkozy, does that prove he works for the French? The speaker concludes that, regardless, Epstein’s primary loyalties are with his people. - The speaker asserts that Zionists on Twitter claim the Epstein documents are a “nothingburger,” and urge continuing with other topics; they accuse those who disagreed of having low IQ and claim the documents reveal clear content with their own eyes. - Senator Bernie Sanders is described as saying this is a cautionary tale about wealth and power; the speaker counters by saying “your cousins” are helping orchestrate this, and that Sanders has repeatedly criticized Israel. - The speaker accuses proponents of diverting attention from the primary culprit and states that such attempts are not working on anyone.

The speaker connects Jeffrey Epstein to a broad web of influence and alleged illicit activity across several decades. Key points presented: - Epstein’s involvement is linked to the BCCI network, and to foreign policy activities in the Middle East during the 1990s, plus his alleged ties to high-level officials across Israeli, Saudi, British, and French governments, spanning the Clinton era into the early 2000s. - Epstein was investigated by the SEC in the 1980s and was one of the two people who ran the largest Ponzi scheme in U.S. history at that time, tied to the Towers Financial collapse. Epstein’s business partner went to jail for twenty-something years, while Epstein allegedly “skates completely free.” - He is said to have been involved in a billion-dollar fraud case in the U.S. Virgin Islands, with allegations that his campaigns funded local politicians there and that prosecutors answered to those politicians. - The speaker suggests Epstein’s pervasive presence—“always in the room” in four decades of American foreign policy and intelligence activity—implies a systemic concern about money sourcing for that activity. - Regarding Epstein’s crimes, the concern cited is the same one discussed with Orlando Massfer: don’t bring the case, and if you do, bring it in a highly limited way. - This culminated in the 2006 indictment, which was described as a “sweetheart plea deal” that limited prosecutions, protected coconspirators known and unknown, and allowed the case to proceed quickly before a full trial could uncover broader lines of evidence about Epstein’s network.

The transcript explores a conspiracy-laden view of elite abuse networks and attempts to connect public figures, media, and entertainment industries to child trafficking and satanic rituals. It begins with a meditation on how people come to believe facts—through trusted stories and news—and questions whether those stories can be recognized as deceptive. Several participants discuss a belief in elite pedophile rings and describe the psychological barriers people face when confronted with that possibility. They emphasize critical thinking as a tool to examine what one is being fed, recounting personal difficulties in accepting the notion of an overseas or hidden network of abuse, and then recount how Liz Crokin’s reporting, initially dismissed by the media, led one speaker to consider that there may be truth to such claims. Speaker 3, a journalist with two decades in mainstream media, recounts a career rooted in verification and reporting, noting that he was widely respected until he reported on Pizzagate. He claims the media corrupted or misrepresented Pizzagate and argues that the code words in John Podesta’s emails—especially “pizza” and “handkerchiefs”—are used as pedophile code words. He asserts that “pizza is a well known pedophile code word,” used by law enforcement in other cases, and cites a 2007 FBI document claiming symbols used by pedophiles, including a triangle signifying “boy love.” Speakers discuss the Podesta emails, insisting that no single email explicitly discusses child sex trafficking or pedophilia, but arguing that strangely worded messages about pizza and handkerchiefs indicate coded conversations. They contend that mainstream media framed Pizzagate as depictions of a conspiracy and accuse media figures of avoiding difficult questions of the clues within the Podesta material and related social media posts. The discussion shifts to broader allegations of elite complicity and cover-ups. It references Jeffrey Epstein’s death, debates about who might be involved or protected, and claims that powerful people who associated with Epstein and traveled on his plane or to his island were part of a wider network of abuse. Bill Gates’ ties to Epstein are discussed, with a New York Times report cited about meetings and a bidirectional philanthropic collaboration that allegedly connected Gates to Epstein. The text mentions other prominent figures, including members of royal families, models, actors, and politicians, and raises questions about why investigations did not occur or were suppressed. MKUltra and Nexium are invoked as examples of mind-control tactics and systemic abuse, with testimonies about branding, ritual symbolism (pyramids, one eye), and the recurrence of satanic imagery in Hollywood and political circles. The narrative asserts that many elites publicly display occult symbols, that discussions of pedophilia are sometimes dismissed as jokes, and that whistleblowers face threats and retaliation. The transcript includes personal testimonies about media complicity, the manipulation of public perception, and the fear of crossing elite lines. It closes with a promotional segment for the film Sound of Freedom, describing it as a true-story-inspired project about rescuing trafficked children and urging mass audience participation, including a pay-it-forward ticket program, with the aim of inspiring two million viewers in opening weekend.