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Speaker 0 asserts that Nine-Eleven began as commercial insurance fraud and that in 1988 the Twin Towers were condemned because they did not want to pay to dismantle them, with controlled demolitions forbidden. He says Dick Cheney, as secretary of defense, responded, “praise the lord,” expecting a terrorism event to justify invading Iraq and Afghanistan. He claims Nine-Eleven was planned and executed by “the Zionists,” clarified as not the Jews, describing a “red mafia”—Russians, Israelis, and Americans—controlling Benjamin Netanyahu but not Donald Trump, who he says is biding his time. He contends the NSA is not about safety but keeping money moving, and that the program was canceled because it would reveal Americans complicit in Nine-Eleven. He alleges the intelligence community wastes money on bad actions, focusing only on war and terrorism, and that they start wars and fund terrorists. Speaker 1 recounts a group of Zionists negotiating with the Nazis to allow German Jews to immigrate and transfer assets to Palestine, citing the 1933 Transfer Agreement. He notes that German Jewish settlement in Palestine was Nazi policy for a time and references Der Angriff publishing photos of Jewish life in Palestine with a Nazi series; a medal by Gerbils commemorating this, showing a swastika and Star of David. He states Hitler demanded Zionists reject the call for a boycott of the Reich, which the Zionists conceded. Speaker 2 says some allies have been funding ISIS and Al Qaeda, asks who, implying Saudis and others, and notes that people know this but do not say it publicly. Speaker 3 explains that CIA, Mossad, and intelligence agencies are unnamed but suggests Mossad is under the prime minister’s office and would be called the Israeli Secret Intelligence Service, joking that initials would be ISIS. Speaker 7 makes a snide remark about Julian Maxwell’s father being an Israeli super spy, and Speaker 5 references “antiseptic, Jenny.” Speaker 8 discusses building a relationship with some unspecified actors and acknowledges a trust deficit; he recalls the U.S. support of fighters in Afghanistan against the Soviets, arming mujahideen with Stinger missiles, and leaving them after the Soviet withdrawal, admitting the U.S. helped create the next problems. He notes a pattern of moving in and out of Pakistan, emphasizing that the current fight involves people funded two decades earlier. Speaker 3 adds details about Brzezinski’s 1980s effort to arm the mujahideen while concealing U.S. involvement, speaking warmly of the fighters and their cause. Speaker 4/Speaker 10 discuss a 2017 plan to push against Russia, portraying the fight as against Putin rather than the Russian people, with commitments to inform the American public of Afghan bravery and to support the effort against Putin; Speaker 10 expresses confidence in winning and receiving support. Speaker 11 shifts to the U.S., asking about the assassination of Osama bin Laden in Pakistan; Speaker 12 responds that bin Laden was trained by the ISI and CIA along with Al Qaeda two decades earlier, stating that these groups were assets of the Pakistan Army and the ISI. Overall, the transcript presents a series of unverified conspiracy claims about 9/11, Zionist influence, NSA motives, Nazi-Zionist interactions, international funding of extremist groups, and U.S. covert actions in Afghanistan/Pakistan, interwoven with insinuations about intelligence agencies and state actors.

Countries like London, France, Washington DC, Australia, and Canada are mentioned as places where Islamic extremism operates. The speaker believes that while there are problems like Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, and the Taliban, Islam as a whole is successful and growing. They argue that the crisis lies in the West importing Islamist extremists for cheap labor, who then rely on welfare and refuse to work. The speaker praises Poland for its strict policies against Islamic extremism and criticizes France for allowing extremists to use resources and support the Iranian regime. They conclude that both the extremists becoming stronger and the West becoming weaker are contributing to the problem.

A speaker asserts that “a dangerous subversive elite has managed to infiltrate the highest levels of Western institutions and governments to implement the criminal plan of the agenda 2030.” The claim continues that, “in many self proclaimed democratic states, devices denouncing this global coup are being silenced through censorship, intimidation, psychiatricisation and even arrest.” The speaker frames a broad consolidation of power as a totalitarian shift quietly taking hold “in Europe, Canada, Australia, and other vassal nation of the United Nations, NATO, World Health Organization, and World Economic Forum.” A focal point of the message is the case of a private entity founder named in the speech: “all private entity founded by the same powers is lawyer Reiner Fulmisch, unjustly imprisoned and still awaiting for a fair trial.” The speaker states that Fulmisch’s “crime is having dared to speak the truth in a world of criminal lies.” The appeal follows to a moral appeal: “I call on Catholics and all people of goodwill to raise their voices in defense of those persecuted by the globalist regime.” The speaker explicitly shifts responsibility away from Fulmisch, declaring, “It is not attorney Fulmish who should be imprisoned, but those who committed the greatest crime ever against humanity.” A list of individuals is named as principal actors behind the alleged crimes: “Anthony Fauci, Bill Gates, Claus Schwab, George Soros, Ursula von der Leyen, Albert Burla, and all their accomplices and emissaries, especially those in institutional positions.” The statement closes with a direct call: “Free Reinhard Fulmisch.” The language presents a stark framing of persecution, accusing a defined group of leading a globalist operation and portraying Fulmisch as a victim of this alleged regime. The speaker emphasizes the urgency of collective action and solidarity among believers and “people of goodwill” to resist the described oppression and to advocate for Fulmisch’s release.

Speaker 0 describes a dynamic of collaboration and tension around Iran, noting that the Israelis are “very American” and that they could have shouting matches in meetings over whose idea is best, but then go have lunch and remain amicable. He emphasizes that Israelis are good allies that the U.S. needs to protect, and asserts that CIA and Al Qaeda “worked closely together in Iraq. And Syria.” Speaker 1 adds that in Syria the aim was to overthrow Assad. Speaker 0 explains that there were times when covert action findings allowed meetings to talk to the “quote, unquote, enemies” to try to bring things down, as CIA officers. Speaker 1 observes that most of the world has a problem with Al Qaeda and ISIS (Daesh), but implies the CIA’s cooperation with ISIS and Al Qaeda lowers that problem. Speaker 0 argues that if the plan is for the U.S. to work with them, to work on a security agreement, which has been done with enemies before, the U.S. would have played that role side by side with diplomats and other involved countries, and he wouldn’t be surprised if that were happening; he calls it possibly hopeful. Speaker 1 notes that newspapers in the United States once celebrated Qasem Soleimani as a fighter with American troops against ISIS and Al Qaeda, and now that stance has changed. The speaker concludes with the reversal of priorities: “Now we have to go to Als ISIS and Al Qaeda to go back against Iran.”

Speaker 0: An early 2014 email from Hillary Clinton to her campaign manager, John Podesta, states that ISIL ISIS is funded by the governments of Saudi Arabia and Qatar. This email is described as the most significant in the collection. Speaker 1: The discussion notes that Saudi and Qatari money is spread widely, including to many media institutions. While some analysts and even the US government have mentioned that some Saudi figures have supported or funded ISIS, the typical explanation has been that it’s rogue princes using oil money with the government disapproving. The email, however, asserts that the governments of Saudi Arabia and Qatar have been funding ISIS. Speaker 1: It is claimed that Saudis, Qataris, Moroccans, Bahrainis—particularly the Saudis and the Qataris—are giving money to the Clinton Foundation while Hillary Clinton is secretary of state, and the State Department is approving massive arms sales to Saudi Arabia. Speaker 0: Hillary Clinton says, “I’m Hillary Clinton,” and emails reveal a significant discussion about it. The email asserts that the largest ever arms deal in the world was made with Saudi Arabia, more than $80,000,000,000. It states that during her tenure as secretary of state, total arms exports from the United States in terms of the dollar value doubled. Speaker 1: The consequence noted is that the notorious terrorist jihadist group ISIL or ISIS is created largely with money from the very people who are giving money to the Clinton Foundation. The implication highlighted is that this is extraordinary.

The speaker claims the West is complicit in crimes against journalists and supports the Israeli regime, with any criticism being minimal and for show. They assert the West is aligned with a "Holocaust in Gaza," "genocidal strikes in Lebanon," and support for ISIS and Al Qaeda. The speaker also alleges Western aggression and war against the Iranian people.

ISIS fighters were airlifted by Western Coalition helicopters from Syria to Afghanistan, not reported by Western media. The US allegedly left behind ISIS fighters in Afghanistan to create chaos and hinder development in the region, potentially to benefit China, Russia, Iran, and Pakistan. The speaker suggests that ISIS is a US construct, specifically orchestrated by the CIA.

These killers are not resistance fighters, as some would have us believe. True resistance fighters do not kill children, young men, and women, or decapitate babies. These are simply killers, and they did not emerge out of nowhere. They have been accompanied, aided, trained, and financed by certain individuals and we know who they are. We know that Qatar is involved, as the leader of these killers is being hosted there. It is the same country that funds the PSG and other major companies.

We allied with Al Qaeda and ISIS, using them against the Syrian government. Terrorists from 100 countries joined them, engaging in organized rape and creating slave markets. They were allowed to kill husbands, own wives and children, and rape widows and young children. This led to a horrific campaign of violence and exploitation in Syria.

A video has surfaced showing someone resembling Jihadi John rehearsing a fake ISIS beheading video in a large green screen studio. The room is well-equipped with expensive cameras and lighting, suggesting it was a professional production. The video was secretly filmed and retrieved from one of John McCain's staff members. The speaker believes this is Jihadi John and that the room is a CIA studio. They argue that the CIA is involved in producing ISIS videos to recruit Westerners and that Jihadi John may have never been in ISIS territory. The speaker also claims that the UK government has undercover agents within ISIS to manage the group, not weaken it. They suggest the Illuminati seeks control over the world economy and wants to control Syria's oil.

De spreker stelt dat Boko Haram en ISIS proxy legers van de Verenigde Staten zijn. Hij beweert dat de VS Afghanistan binnenviel via in Pakistan opgeleide Moedjahedien, waarna Rusland te hulp werd gevraagd. Volgens de spreker hebben Hezbollah, het Palestijnse leger, Rusland en Iran Syrië en Irak bevrijd van ISIS. De VS houdt nu het oosten van Syrië bezet en steelt daar de olie, samen met Koerdische partners. Boko Haram, Al Qaida en ISIS zijn Amerikaanse proxy legers, met steun van Turkije en Israël in het conflict in Syrië. **Translation:** The speaker states that Boko Haram and ISIS are proxy armies of the United States. He claims that the US invaded Afghanistan via Mujahideen trained in Pakistan, after which Russia was asked for help. According to the speaker, Hezbollah, the Palestinian army, Russia and Iran liberated Syria and Iraq from ISIS. The US is now occupying eastern Syria and stealing oil there, together with Kurdish partners. Boko Haram, Al Qaeda and ISIS are American proxy armies, with support from Turkey and Israel in the conflict in Syria.

Speaker 0 says Western European populations support what he calls a “suicidal war on Russia through Ukraine” because elites in Zelensky’s Ukraine use corruption to maintain control over their population, rather than protecting countries from Russia or the Soviet Union. He adds that the elites aim to protect societies from becoming democratic. Speaker 1 agrees and frames the pattern as one where leaders who prioritize national interest are eliminated. He cites Libya as an example, saying Muammar Gaddafi cared about Libyans and Africans, but was assassinated for defying the central banking system and relying on gold with his own oil. He then says Venezuela today follows a similar pattern, where becoming nationalist and enriching one’s people leads to being killed or overthrown. Speaker 1 describes the mechanism as “Gladio networks” and intelligence agencies deploying operations against leaders. He recounts the Congo in the early 1960s after independence from Belgium, when Patrice Lumumba was elected prime minister. He says Lumumba approached the United States with a proposal to give the uranium that had been allocated to Belgium, but to use the portion going to Belgium to enrich Congolese people. He states that President Dwight D. Eisenhower would not meet with Lumumba and that Vice President Richard Nixon would not meet with him; Lumumba instead met with the secretary of state, who told him that he could not cut out Belgium and that Congo would receive the same arrangement as before, providing essentially nothing for building schools and hospitals. Speaker 1 says Lumumba then refused the deal, and that the Soviet Union would have been interested in uranium. Speaker 1 concludes that Lumumba was murdered by Operation Gladio elements controlled by Otto Skorzeny, described as Nazi, under Reinhard Gehlen’s German intelligence, the BND. He ends by saying that any prime minister or president who “stands up for their country” is targeted by an “international syndicate” seeking to control the world’s resources.

- Speaker 0 says, "Are you aware that we are sending $40,000,000 a week to the Taliban?" - Speaker 1 responds, "Yes, sir. Can you name other instances of foreign aid going to terrorist organizations? We have assisted Al Shabaab in Somalia. There's been instances of the Hamzee network in Sudan, Hamas, Islamic Jihad Hezbollah, Kafaiba Hezbollah, Hayat Tahrir al Shams in Syria. Dozens of terror organizations have received indirect assistance from US foreign aid." - Speaker 0 adds, "You know, I'm wondering with all this talk about the Strait Of Hermos and Park Island and everything Lindsey's recommending, why are we listening to a traitor who needs to be arrested to funneling money to have a mosque and Al Qaeda through USAID. He's helping to support the enemies of our nation's food, and it's time to arrest him. He's a traitor."

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOAR) reported that Western coalition helicopters were airlifting foreign ISIS fighters out of Deir Zor in Syria. Two sources told the speaker that the US coalition was airlifting foreign ISIS fighters into Afghanistan. The speaker didn't understand this at the time. The speaker believes the US needed to leave behind a dirty fighting force to blow up mosques, schools, and infrastructure to continue chaos after US forces left. This would impede the development of pipelines and roadways, preventing China, Russia, Iran, and Pakistan from connecting with Afghanistan. The speaker believes ISIS is potentially a US construct, and ISIS K is a US CIA construct.

Speaker 0 asks how to weed out Muslims in a country that despises you and means you harm without vilifying or persecuting those who are fine and part of the social fabric. Speaker 1 responds by highlighting that Arab states have taken a strong stance against the Muslim Brotherhood and asks why the West hasn’t. The Muslim Brotherhood has been banned in Egypt and in many Gulf states (not Qatar), and there is a reason: they know how dangerous this organization is, that it doesn’t represent peace-loving Muslims who simply want to practice their religion and not impose a perverted version of jihad. Speaker 1 asserts that the Muslim Brotherhood is not pro-Muslim; it is an organization providing cover for terrorism that disproportionately impacts Muslims, especially in the Arab world. He emphasizes that the biggest victims of terrorism are the people of the Middle East, the majority of whom are Muslims, and urges people to educate themselves about what’s really happening on this front before it’s too late. Speaker 0 then asks why Europe is failing and has massively open borders, taking people from regimes where terrorism is life-threatening. Speaker 1 answers with a single word: subversion. He claims this is most evident in the Israel-Palestinian conflict, stating that the way the war and the conflict are presented in international media is not an accurate reflection of what’s happening on the ground. He believes many Palestinians would share that sentiment. He contends that what’s happening in Gaza is not how it’s reported, because narratives are shaped to present a certain story, a process he attributes to Al Jazeera. He questions who runs Al Jazeera and asserts it is state-run by Qatar, and says they have been a chief sponsor of a “laundered ideology” presenting Palestinian victimhood even if some stories are fabricated. He claims Al Jazeera has falsified stories during the Gaza war. Speaker 1 concludes that when people push back against Islamism, they’re accused of conspiracy or exaggeration, but the speaker argues that there is a conspiracy to undermine the West. He acknowledges that it may seem crazy to say so, but asserts that such a conspiracy is exactly what is happening. He identifies this as the fundamental ideology of Qatar, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Islamic Republic of Iran on the Shia side, and says this is something that must be spoken out against to educate the general public.

The speaker highlights that extremist groups like the IRGC and Muslim Brotherhood operate outside of Muslim countries, such as in London, France, Washington DC, Australia, and Canada. They argue that while there are problems like Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, and Taliban, Islam as a whole is successful and growing. The speaker criticizes Western countries for importing Islamist extremists for cheap labor, who then rely on welfare instead of working. They contrast this with Poland's strict policies against Islamic extremism and the absence of terrorist attacks there. The speaker also mentions how some individuals in France support the Iranian regime and oppose sanctions in Congress.

The speakers discuss what they describe as a global rise in Islamist-linked threats and the impact of migration on security in Western countries. They begin by asserting that France’s government can no longer keep its own people safe from “potential radical Islamic terrorists that they have welcomed into their country,” and claim that France has allowed so many Middle East and North African migrants that crowds can no longer be assembled. They extend the concern to other Western nations, stating that the threat is now widespread, including in Germany, where they say many people are afraid to attend famous Christmas markets because they have become highly dangerous targets for radical Islamists. Speaker 1 provides details: since 2014, seven European Christmas markets have been attacked—three in France and four in Germany. Authorities arrested five men suspected of planning attack number eight in Germany last week; among them is described as a Muslim cleric from a German mosque who allegedly urged his followers to kill as many people as possible. The report notes that an attack in Poland on a Christmas market was foiled as well. The German case is characterized as a migrant who came from Egypt, moved to Germany, and, according to the speakers, worked at a mosque in a country they describe as tolerantly allowing him to operate there. They claim this individual began indoctrinating other Muslims to murder Christians. They describe attending a German Christmas market at this point as akin to playing Russian roulette, expressing fear that an asylum seeker living on tax dollars could drive a car into a market and kill many people. The speakers reference Australia, stating that 16 people were murdered on a beach “this past Sunday,” and claim that there is a heightened threat as their government imported tens of thousands of migrants from Muslim-majority countries, with the Muslim population purportedly doubling in a decade. They criticize Australia’s Labour Party as “left-wing,” asserting it has “the strictest gun laws in the world” yet intends to add more, while instructing viewers to light a candle as a symbolic response. They describe the current government as being led by people who are detached from reality and who prioritize political orthodoxies over people’s lives, claiming that the media feeds the same narratives and spin. Speaker 2 endorses a symbolic action: “Light a candle. Put it in their front window tonight at 06:47PM to show that light will indeed defeat darkness.” They state that a national cabinet meeting will consider a proposal to empower agencies to examine what can be done in this area. Overall, the dialogue emphasizes a narrative of increasing Islamist terrorism linked to migrant populations in Europe and Australia, argues for stronger security measures and altered political responses, and frames mainstream reporting as insufficient.

The speaker claims to have been targeted for assassination three times and suggests that the police are involved. They mention a friend named Xavier Merlin who was killed after the Bataclan attack and believed to have known important information. The speaker also mentions an individual named Merah who was intercepted by the Americans while training for jihad and then allowed to return to France. They accuse the French government of assassinating this person. The speaker claims to have written detailed accounts of their assassination attempts and brought them to the Russian embassy for safekeeping. They urge people to wake up and take action before it's too late.

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss the presence and influence of the Taliban within government and international circles, and the U.S. approach to engagement. Speaker 1 suggests that while there may not be overt Taliban infiltration as a formal party, there are lobbyists, supporters, and Taliban in neckties and suits in Washington, pointing to the speech of the U.S. special envoy to Afghanistan, Thomas West, as evidence of whitewashing the Taliban. Speaker 0 counters that the U.S. is in regular, productive dialogue with the Taliban, and believes the Taliban are sincere but frustrated. He notes that no sanctions have been passed against the Taliban since last August, that four Americans have returned, but several remain in Taliban custody. He also highlights that the U.S. has backed the shipment of hundreds of millions of dollars in cash into the country since August, and claims it is actually over $1,000,000,000. Speaker 0 states that the U.S. has cooperated with the Taliban on certain discrete issues, including closing roads and managing crowds to prevent terrorist disruption, and that he has had a series of engagements with senior Taliban leaders. When asked about returning to Afghanistan to meet with the Taliban, he says, “The sooner, the better,” noting that the Taliban want sanctions relief, development aid, and a big seat at the table. He mentions an announced plan to pump in another $308,000,000, and describes mechanisms that are getting hundreds of millions of dollars in cash directly into the banking system. The Taliban purportedly want to seat their permanent representative in New York. ISIS-K is described as a common enemy, with the Taliban maintaining a vigorous and robust effort against it. He asserts that, despite concerns, they are building productive relationships and an honest dialogue with Taliban members, while acknowledging the priority of countering ISIS-K. He references the Doha agreement breach by the Taliban in sheltering Ayman al-Zawahiri in downtown Kabul, which he characterizes as unacceptable and a major breach, and states that even after this event, the U.S. is prepared to engage pragmatically with the Taliban regarding terrorism concerns. Speaker 1 adds that the UN and World Bank are developing a humanitarian exchange facility to move more Afghans into the system, noting that many banknotes have circulated for over ten years and are not accepted by shops or the central bank. He mentions a private-sector arrangement in Europe facilitating the shipment of hundreds of millions in cash into private banks in Afghanistan, with money going to the Afghanistan International Bank (AIB), which allegedly lacks authority to convert dollars to Afghanis and to auction them, and then passes funds to the Taliban-controlled Central Bank of Afghanistan. He asks who is in charge of the Central Bank, identifying Nur Ahmad Ora as the head, described as sanctioned by the U.S. for financing IED attacks that killed American soldiers. He concludes that diplomacy with the Taliban is essential to achieve objectives and asks whether there are Taliban in elections, asserting that they hold official offices and are present, urging the listener to review their statements to determine if they are Taliban sympathizers or whitewashing the Taliban. The conversation ends with Speaker 0 remarking, “Man, that's scary.”

Some allies that the U.S. works with and protects militarily are sending massive amounts of money to ISIS and Al Qaeda. When asked which countries are doing this, the speaker states, "You know who it is." The speaker then confirms that Saudi Arabia is one of the countries funding these groups, stating, "They're doing it. Everybody knows that." When asked about other countries involved, the speaker says there are others but declines to name them due to having relationships with people from those countries. The speaker asserts that "everybody knows that, and nobody says it."

The segment discusses Hanukkah and Israel while making a series of claims and accusations about Erica Kirkberg (also referred to as Erica Kirk). JakeGTV hosts mock and argue with each other, including comments about being “chosen,” antisemitism, and media control. A “breaking news” claim is made that Erica Kirkberg was allegedly seen at Fort Huachuca the day before her husband died. Other photos are cited, including an account that a person matching Erica (with a ponytail) was seen in a Fort Huachuca lobby the night before, accompanied by a man who “was present at that meeting.” Stu Peters is said to be “99% sure” he saw Erica at Fort Huachuca with Brian Harpole and Congressman Mark Amity and other military officers. Another claim is that Erica’s roommate was “the freak,” and that Erica previously avoided dating after seeing her roommate’s experience. In response to the controversy, one guest says the situation could be unrelated to a meeting date, noting Erica’s mother moved to Arizona due to military involvement. The discussion then shifts back to broader political framing about antisemitism and responses on the internet. A plan is described for “a whole division within the office of the special envoy to combat anti-Semitism,” with references to what “the secretary wants and… the president wants.” Another guest argues controlling media would not end stereotypes. A reported attack is described as a shooting at a Hanukkah celebration on Sunday, with 15 people dead, and one survivor allegedly branding himself as having survived both October 7 and being grazed by a bullet. Later, the hosts claim the “bullet to the head” was “just stage blood” (corn syrup) and that the segment should not have aired after the picture was already shown. Further claims are made blaming antisemitism on “the spread” that the government “did nothing to stop,” and references are made to Gaza, Hamas, and a “Palestinian state.” Various speakers make statements about terrorists, accusations of ISIS/Al Qaeda support, and “controlled opposition.” One guest says official investigators found an ISIS flag in a car, and another claims Israel admitted to funding and giving small arms to ISIS-affiliated groups, while others dismiss questions and warn that asking questions will lead to consequences. At the end, the hosts return to Erica Kirkberg with a celebratory segment introducing “the heavyweight champion of the year,” describing her as representing Christian values and claiming she “never lied about anything.” The show closes with holiday greetings (“Happy Hanukkah” and “Merry Christmas”), reminders to like/comment/subscribe, and additional remarks including “This is our first Jewish president” and “I’m totally Christian, and my sister was in the IDF,” ending with “Blame the sand people.”

Speaker 0 claims that ISIS is a CIA creation, equating it with other groups like those in Islamberg and Fethullah Gulen. He states that John McCain was “over there with the ISIS officials.” He asserts that ISIS originated from the Al Nusra Front and the Syrian Liberation Front, which combined to morph into ISIS, and that “We created them. We still direct them.” He asserts that injured ISIS warriors are transported to Israel, treated at Israeli hospitals, and brought back to battle. Regarding motives, he says the ultimate goal is money and wealth, noting that real wealth comes from natural resources. He contrasts this with currency, saying money is fabricated and not backed by anything. He lists natural resources—gold, oil, and heroin—as wealth, claiming heroin is “the third most valuable commodity in the world right now,” and cites this as another reason for being in Afghanistan. He describes the endgame as a game being played to win, not an endless play. He states that the money cartel from the United States, referring to an Anglo-American establishment (British and US), controls the endgame. He argues that by depriving Russia of natural resources, its power is depleted, and the same logic applies to China. The overarching objective, according to the speaker, is total economic control of the world.

Macron, the president of France, believes the Islamic world is in crisis due to problems like Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, and the Taliban. However, Islam as a whole is successful and growing rapidly, with countries like Dubai, Abu Dhabi, and Kuwait doing well. The speaker argues that the crisis lies within the West, as they imported Islamist extremists for cheap labor, who now seek welfare and French spouses instead of working. In contrast, Poland has effectively dealt with Islamic extremism by cracking down on it. The speaker believes that both the extremists becoming stronger and the West becoming weaker contribute to the problem.

Speaker 0 discusses working with the Israelis, describing them as “very American” and noting that they could get into shouting matches during meetings over whose idea was best, followed by casual lunch and reconciliation. He emphasizes that Israel is a good ally that the U.S. needs to protect and support, and he asserts that CIA and Al Qaeda had worked closely together in Iraq and in Syria, and that there are times when covert action allowed meetings with the “quote unquote, enemies” to try to bring things down as CIA officers. Speaker 1 adds that most of the world has a problem with Al Qaeda and ISIS/Daesh, but there is less of a problem because the CIA worked with ISIS/Daesh and Al Qaeda. He suggests that if the CIA worked with them, it would be better to understand what they were doing, and if the plan is for the U.S. to work with them on a security agreement, which has been done with enemies before, then this has been done in concert with diplomats and other countries involved. He indicates he wouldn’t be surprised if that was happening and would call it possibly hopeful. Speaker 0 continues by noting that newspapers in the United States once celebrated Qasem Soleimani as a fighter with American troops against ISIS and Al Qaeda. He states that Soleimani “was, and now it's switched,” implying a shift in perception or policy. The overarching theme is the idea of collaboration or coordination with hostile or extremist groups in pursuit of broader strategic objectives, including countering Iran, and the possibility that such collaborations could be framed as necessary or hopeful within a complex web of alliances and covert actions. Speaker 0 ends by reiterating the shift in stance: “Now we have to go to al ISIS and Al Qaeda to go back against Iran.” This underscores a cyclical or ironic pivot in U.S. strategy, moving from partnering with certain adversaries against common threats to reengaging those same groups to counter another adversary. The dialogue presents a candid view of realpolitik, suggesting that relationships with seemingly incompatible actors and shifts in alliances occur as part of broader geopolitical objectives, with collaboration sometimes described as acceptable when it serves strategic goals, and public narratives sometimes contrasting with behind-the-scenes actions.

The speaker points out that extremist groups like the IRGC and Muslim Brotherhood operate in Western countries, while Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia and UAE restrict their activities. They mention that Islam is generally successful and growing, with countries like Dubai and Abu Dhabi thriving. However, they argue that Western countries have imported Islamist extremists for cheap labor, leading to problems. They contrast this with Poland's strict policies and lack of terrorist attacks. The speaker believes that both the extremists becoming stronger and the West becoming weaker contribute to the crisis.