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I have said many times that in Istanbul three years ago, we were very close to signing a full agreement. However, Boris Johnson prevented Ukraine from signing it. A Ukrainian official confirmed in an interview that they were ready to sign three years ago, but London and Washington forbade them from doing so.

Разговор касается причин встречи президента и дат: упоминали 29-го и 26-го/27-го. Говорят, что сначала должна была быть встреча делегации: они готовили рамочное соглашение, затем — встреча президента, потому что подготовка документов, меморандум и сигнал партнёрам. Затем открылась Буча, и президент заявил: «Я вообще выхожу из переговоров». После возвращения из Стамбула Борис Джонсон в Киев и сказал: «мы вообще не будем с ними ничего подписывать, и давайте будем просто воевать.» The discussion covers why a meeting with the president was planned and dates (29th, with references to 26th/27th). It states that a delegation meeting should come first to draft a framework agreement, with documents, a memorandum, and partner signals prepared in advance, before the president’s meeting. Bucha opened, and the president said, "I am out of negotiations." After returning from Istanbul, Boris Johnson arrived in Kyiv and said, "we won't sign anything with them, and let's just fight."

Собеседники спорят о Буче: один говорит, что это «хорошо спланированная акция…», чтобы показать агрессивность, кровожадность, убийцы россияне; другая сторона отвечает, что «ничего подобного там не было» и знает «номера автомобилей» организаторов БУДЖ, спрашивая, «почему это всё замяли на Западе?» Разговор переходит к телам: «я своими глазами видел», «на войне… тела» — один настаивает, другой сомневается. Путин якобы говорил, что «вся Буча это фейк», но оппоненты утверждают, что их «спецслужбы» обращали внимание Запада, однако «вы замылили их». Interlocutors discuss Bucha: one says it was a 'well-planned operation to show aggression, bloodlust, murderers'—the other counters that 'nothing like that happened there,' claiming to know 'car numbers' of the organizers of BUDZH and asking why it was hushed in the West. Bodies: 'I saw with my own eyes.' Putin allegedly said that 'all of Bucha is a fake,' while others say their 'intelligence services' drew the West's attention, and that 'you concealed them.'

I was part of the Ukrainian negotiators trying to reach a peaceful settlement with Russia. We were close to finalizing an agreement in April, but it was postponed. In my opinion, Putin realized his mistake and quickly tried to make a deal with Ukraine. He personally accepted the Istanbul communique, which was a compromise compared to Russia's initial ultimatum proposal. It's important to remember that Putin genuinely wanted a peaceful resolution with Ukraine.

European leaders are not coming to rescue Zelensky from bullying; they are coming "because we've been working with the Europeans" and "the president invited them to come." The visit is not a stunt; there have been more meetings with Zelensky than with Putin, including "one meeting with Putin and, like, a dozen meetings with Zelensky." The White House says Zelensky told European leaders last week he wanted a cease-fire and that he would "walk out in two minutes" if Putin didn't agree; he spent three hours with Putin but "did not get one." The aim is "a peace agreement to end this war" and there was "enough progress" to move to the next phase. If peace isn't possible, "sanctions" are on the table, but "if he did this now, the moment the president puts those additional sanctions, that's the end of the talks." It will require concessions from both sides.

There is concern from the Europeans that Zelensky is being bullied into signing something away, which is why European leaders are coming as backup tomorrow. They are coming here tomorrow because we've been working with the Europeans; the president invited them to come. The president told those European leaders last week that he wanted to cease fire, and he said on television he would walk out if Putin didn’t agree, with severe consequences if he didn’t. He spent three hours with Putin and did not get one. Our goal is a peace agreement to end this war. There was enough progress in the talks to move to the next phase. If peace is not possible and the war continues, thousands will die. The president could impose new sanctions, but that would end talks; it will require concessions from both sides.

Negotiations with Russia in Istanbul were successful, even to the point of opening a champagne bottle in celebration. The agreement was 90% ready for a direct meeting between Putin and Zelensky, with only the size of Ukrainian armed forces in peacetime remaining. However, after the discovery of Bucha, Zelensky was shocked and the negotiations were halted. A meeting scheduled for April 9th was canceled. The speaker doesn't know if Boris Johnson's visit to Kyiv influenced this decision. Although Russia showed readiness to continue negotiations, Ukraine declined. The speaker now believes an agreement at that time was impossible, as Putin could reframe the conflict as a war against the West, opening a "Pandora's box" of global issues. The speaker views the current situation as a new "Thirty Years' War," signaling the end of the modern era.

- «Почему встреча президента? Потому что в будущем.» - «27-го была встреча или 26-го же была? 29-го. 29-го, да.» - «Я сейчас уже не помню. Обуча это второе число, второе или третье.» - «Так сначала должна была быть встреча делегации. Они готовили рамочное соглашение, после этого должна была встреча президента. Потому что всегда подготовка документов, меморандум, сигнал партнерам, все остальное, и потом на встрече президента.» - «Открылась Буча. Открылась Буча, и президент сказал: Я вообще выхожу из переговоров.» - «Когда мы вернулись из Стамбула, приехал Борис Джонсон в Киев и сказал, что мы вообще не будем с ними ничего подписывать, и давайте будем просто воевать.» - «Why the president's meeting? Because in the future.» - «Was the meeting on the 27th or the 26th? 29th. 29th, yes.» - «I don't remember now. Obucha this is the second date, the second or the third.» - «So first there was supposed to be a delegation meeting. They were preparing a framework agreement, after that there should have been a meeting with the president. Because there is always preparation of documents, a memorandum, a signal to partners, everything else, and then at the presidential meeting.» - «Bucha opened. Bucha opened, and the president said: I am withdrawing from negotiations.» - «When we returned from Istanbul, Boris Johnson came to Kyiv and said that we won't sign anything with them at all, and let's just fight.»

Here's the White House's perspective on what happened today. Supposedly, the Ukrainians were pleading for a reset. Zelenskyy lingered in the West Wing, hoping to salvage the day, which was planned to conclude with a signed agreement and a joint press conference. However, the President refused and essentially kicked him out of the White House. Rubio and Waltz reportedly told the Ukrainian delegation that a deal wasn't possible at this time because the U.S. believes Zelenskyy isn't prepared to discuss peace terms. He's welcome to return when his attitude changes. The two sides were initially scheduled to have lunch together before the press conference.

On February 24, 2022, Russia invaded Ukraine after sabotaging the Minsk agreements for seven years. The video argues that the primary purpose of the United States and United Kingdom was to sabotage the Istanbul negotiations in April 2022 in order to keep a long war going, using Ukrainians as a proxy to weaken Russia as a strategic rival. The author asserts that a US hegemonic strategy relies on perpetual dominance and NATO expansion, and that US aims include preserving global primacy by weakening rivals like Russia. The video emphasizes that this view is controversial, but presents evidence of Western actions that allegedly undermined peace talks. Before Istanbul, Zelensky had signaled openness to discussing Ukraine’s neutral status immediately after the invasion (February 25–26, 2022). By February 27, Moscow and Kyiv agreed to peace talks without preconditions. Meanwhile, US and UK officials signaled opposition to peace without preconditions and framed diplomacy as contingent on Russia’s withdrawal and a de-escalation, framing Moscow’s proposals as negotiation under the barrel of a gun. Ned Price of the US State Department stated that Moscow was proposing diplomacy at the barrel of a gun and urged Russia to halt its bombing and withdraw. UK comments by James Heappey on February 26 framed regime change as the objective, asserting Putin’s days as president would be numbered and that Ukrainian sovereignty must be restored. The EU’s €450 million in military aid approved on February 27 was said to reduce incentives to negotiate with Moscow. UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson on February 28 framed measures as bringing down the Putin regime. In March 2022, US officials framed the war as broader than Russia or Ukraine, emphasizing world order and rules to uphold, with Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin stating the aim to weaken Russia so it could not quickly reproduce aggression. Former CIA Director Leon Panetta described the conflict as a proxy war with Russia, advocating direct actions to “kill Russians.” Bloomberg reports by Neil Ferguson in March 2022 suggested a preference for extending the conflict to bleed Putin, with the endgame being the end of the Putin regime. Zelensky’s March 27, 2022 interview with The Economist noted that “everyone has varied interests,” including some Western factions preferring a long war to exhaust Russia, even at Ukraine’s expense. Despite this, negotiations proceeded in Istanbul, where progress was reported as substantial and a deal near. Ukrainian media (Ukrainian Pravda) quoted Boris Johnson as telling Kyiv that Putin is a war criminal and that even if Ukraine were ready to sign guarantees, the UK and US would not support it. Johnson would later advocate “strategic endurance” and a long war, while Zelensky’s party leader Andriy Arakhamiya indicated Johnson had told Kyiv not to sign any deal at all, opting to continue the war. Turkey and Israel played mediator roles; Naftali Bennett argued that Russia wanted to end NATO expansion and make huge concessions, and that Zelensky accepted neutrality, but the West blocked a peace agreement to keep pressuring Putin. Turkish officials suggested Zelensky was ready to sign a peace agreement before US/UK intervention, and implied the war is not simply Russia–Ukraine but a war between Russia and the West, with the West prolonging the conflict to weaken Russia. In later years, Western leaders publicly praised using Ukraine to weaken Russia and pivot focus to China, framing continued arms support as essential. By 2024, as negotiations stalled and Ukraine’s situation worsened, Johnson warned that Ukraine’s fall would threaten Western hegemony, while European diplomacy was downplayed in favor of weapon aid as the path to peace. The speaker concludes that recognizing the Istanbul negotiations’ sabotage matters for seeking the best possible deal today, rather than pursuing a protracted proxy war that harms Ukraine and prolongs the conflict.

We will now talk about the future of Ukraine with you, as it seems you are serious about it. Putin had asked the Americans in December 2021 for written confirmation on how to handle Ukraine, but President Biden refused to negotiate on this matter. There should have been an uproar on the German side, as a potential war would involve Germany in the issue.

Российская сторона настаивала на мирных инициативах, и стамбульские мирные инициативы были неплохим промежуточным документом. В НАТО Украина не могла вступить, но вопрос, примет ли НАТО. Сейчас Путин выставляет условие – никакого НАТО. Возможно, 200 тысяч человек были бы живы, и пол-Украины не было бы разрушено. Стоит ли подписать мирное соглашение в Стамбуле? Россияне были согласны на политическую дискуссию по Крыму, что было чуть ли не актом поражения России. Сумма уступок со стороны России была беспрецедентной, и такого уже не будет. Вопрос, надо было или не надо было фиксироваться тогда, будет тревожить современников и историков. **English Translation:** The Russian side insisted on peace initiatives, and the Istanbul peace initiatives were a good interim document. Ukraine could not join NATO, but the question is whether NATO would accept it. Now Putin sets a condition – no NATO. Perhaps 200,000 people would be alive, and half of Ukraine would not be destroyed. Was it worth signing a peace agreement in Istanbul? The Russians agreed to a political discussion on Crimea, which was almost an act of defeat for Russia. The amount of concessions from Russia was unprecedented, and this will never happen again. The question of whether or not it was necessary to fix it then will bother contemporaries and historians.

Okay, here's my perspective from the Oval Office press conference. The President was being very gracious to Zelensky, even when Zelensky was needling him and saying untrue things. Things went off the rails when a Polish journalist asked a question. After the President answered it, I answered it, and something about my answer set Zelensky off. I tried to diffuse the situation and suggested we continue the conversation in private, but the President wanted to have the conversation in public for the American people to see. There was a lack of respect and a sense of entitlement from Zelensky. Ultimately, the President wants the killing to stop, and Zelensky needs to come to the negotiating table. The real breakdown was Zelensky's unwillingness to engage in the peace process, and he wasn't there yet, but I think he'll get there eventually.

They were ready to end the war if we take on the neutrality of Finland and promise not to join NATO. Boris Johnson came to Kyiv and said we won't sign anything with them, let's just fight. But as soon as we called on them to sit down, the next day they were already waiting with a delegation.

Speaker 0: "You know there is concern from the Europeans that president Zelensky is going to be bullied into signing something away." "That’s why you have these European leaders coming as backup tomorrow." Speaker 1: "It isn't. ... They're not coming here tomorrow to keep Zelenskyy from being bullied." He adds: "We've had one meeting with Putin and, like, a dozen meetings with Zelensky." "We've been working with these people for weeks." "They're coming here tomorrow because they chose to come here tomorrow." He notes "there was enough progress" to "move to the next phase" and "enough movement to justify a follow-up meeting with Zelensky and the Europeans." On sanctions, he says: "If peace is not gonna be possible here... the president has that option to then come in and impose new sanctions. But if he did this now, ... that's the end of the talks." "We wanna wind up with a peace deal that ends this war" and "It will require both sides to make concessions."

It will soon be three years since I publicly asked them at UN meetings to help us get at least some information about the tragedy in Bucha, which they used to impose sanctions on us. BBC showed these scenes two days after not a single one of our soldiers was there. And now we are asking for only one thing: "Can we see the list of those people whose corpses you showed on the BBC?" I even asked the UN secretary general about this publicly at a meeting of the Security Council. In New York, I told them, "guys, you were journalists. Aren't you professionally interested in finding out what happened there?" We officially requested information about the names of those people whom the media showed they're already dead. There was no reaction at all, and I kind of shamed the journalists. That's all.

Naftali Bennett said that Boris Johnson interfered and prevented Ukrainians from signing a deal at the end of negotiations. Ukrainian representative Karakami confirmed that Johnson advised stopping negotiations to win the war militarily. According to Speaker 1, the Ukrainians began asking for advice and it became clear that Putin's main condition was in an annex. This condition included limits on the weapons systems Ukraine could have, which would have neutralized them as a military force. Russia would not have similar constraints, such as pulling back or having a buffer zone. People inside and outside Ukraine questioned whether it was a good deal, and that's when it fell apart.

So, back in 2014, Russia occupied parts of Ukraine, and nobody stopped them. From 2014 to 2022, people kept dying, despite our conversations and signed ceasefire deals with Macron and Merkel. Russia broke the ceasefire, killed our people, and didn't exchange prisoners. What kind of diplomacy is that? It's disrespectful to come here and complain when the US is trying to prevent the destruction of Ukraine. You're drafting conscripts because of manpower issues. Be thankful for our help. Everyone has problems during war. We're staying strong in our country. From the start, we've been alone, but we are thankful. We want to stop the war, but we need guarantees for any ceasefire. Don't ask about ceasefires, ask about our people.

Naftali Bennett said that Boris Johnson interfered and prevented Ukrainians from signing a deal with Russia. Ukrainian representative Karakami confirmed that Johnson advised stopping negotiations to win the war militarily. According to Speaker 1, the Ukrainians began asking for advice late in the negotiation process. It became clear that Putin's main condition, buried in an annex, would limit the kinds of weapons systems Ukraine could have, effectively neutering it militarily. Russia would face no similar constraints, such as pulling back or creating a buffer zone. Questions arose about whether this was a good deal, at which point the deal fell apart.

По трагедии в Буче прошло полгода. «мы безуспешно пытаемся разобраться, что же там произошло» и «для начала хотим получить список фамилий тех людей, чьи тела были показаны на весь мир». Я сообщил, что «мне никто не может этот ответ дать» и мы «обращались в самые разные структуры». Поэтому я «попросил уважаемого Антонио Гутероша в присутствии всех членов Совета Безопасности, других членов ООН, в микрофон попросил употребить свои возможности, свой авторитет, чтобы сделать, по-моему, не очень сложную вещь получить список фамилий тех лиц, чьи тела были показаны в Буче». Мы «до сих пор ничего не имеем», и «нет объяснений по целому ряду других вопросов, начиная с отравления Скрипалей»; «никаких документов не предъявляют» по Skripal, «отравления Навального тоже Германии говорит, не дадим мы вам анализы посмотреть», а «Германия нам запрещает» по ОКХ. «А почему?» «Вот это интересный вопрос.» Bucha tragedy is discussing the Bucha tragedy; six months have passed. "we are unsuccessfully trying to understand what happened there" and "for the start we want to obtain the list of surnames of those people whose bodies were shown to the whole world." I stated that "nobody can give me this answer" and we "have approached a variety of structures." Therefore I "asked the respected Antonio Guterres in the presence of all Security Council members, other UN members, to use his capabilities, his authority, to do, in my view, not a very difficult thing: obtain the list of surnames of those individuals whose bodies were shown in Bucha." We "so far have nothing," and "no explanations on a whole range of other questions, starting with the poisoning of Skripal"; "no documents are presented" concerning Skripal, "the poisoning of Navalny also Germany says, we will not let you look at the analyses," and "Germany forbids us" on OPCW. "Why?" "Here's an interesting question."

And one of the things at the table was one of the gentlemen who's a great guy, but he said, I said I I hope I didn't insult him. 'let's meet in another month or two, and let's see if we can start, you know, making some what.' 'He that a month or two? You're gonna have another 40,000 people dead in a month or two. You have to do it tonight.' 'And I did, actually. I called, president Putin, and we're trying to work out a meeting with president Zelensky. We'll see what happens there.' 'And then if that works out if it works out, then I'll go to the trilap and close it up.'

I'm aligned with the US and the world, and I want to end this conflict. It's hard to make a deal with so much hatred. I could be tough, but that won't get us anywhere. For four years, tough talk didn't stop Putin. Diplomacy is the path to peace. Others didn't stop Putin from occupying parts of Ukraine since 2014. We signed ceasefire and gas contracts, but he broke them, killing people and not exchanging prisoners. I am trying to end the destruction of your country. Everyone has problems during war, even you. You've allowed yourself to be in a bad position. You're gambling with lives and World War III, and that's disrespectful to the US. You haven't said thank you, and campaigned against us. Your country is in trouble and not winning. If we are out, you will be fighting on your own.

Naftali Bennett said that Boris Johnson interfered and prevented Ukrainians from signing a deal at the end of negotiations. Ukrainian representative Karakami confirmed that Johnson advised stopping negotiations to win the war militarily. According to Speaker 1, the Ukrainians began asking for advice late in the process. It became clear that Putin's main condition, buried in an annex, would limit the kinds of weapons systems Ukraine could have, effectively neutering it as a military force. Russia would face no similar constraints, such as pulling back or creating a buffer zone. Questions arose about whether it was a good deal, and the deal fell apart.

They were ready to end the war if we took a neutral stance like Finland and promised not to join NATO. When we returned to Istanbul, Boris Johnson came to Kyiv and said we wouldn't sign anything with them and let's just fight. But as soon as we called on them to sit down, the next day they would already be sitting, waiting with a delegation.

Three years after asking them at UN meetings for information about the Bucha tragedy, which they used to impose sanctions on us, I said, 'Because our BBC The BBC showed these scenes two days after not a single one of our soldiers was there.' The request remains: 'Can we see the list of those people whose corpses you showed on the BBC?' I even asked the UN secretary general about this at a meeting of security council. New York, at General Assembly, I told world press, 'Aren’t you professionally interested in finding out what happened there?' We asked for information from the UN Human Rights Office for names of those people media showed they're already dead; there was no reaction. Bucha was shown on BBC screens and on social networks. It was a news explosion. Three days passed and everything went quiet. 'The order to keep quiet came.' That's all.