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Speaker 1 questions the letter's truth; Speaker 2 confirms, "Yeah. I mean, it's it's real." They reference Nick Fuentes claiming Israel killed Charlie and mention "the call, like, Israel called him and told him to to to." Speaker 2 summarizes Charlie's Israel stance as nuanced: "he wanted people who controlled The Holy Land to be civilized people" and "didn't want it to be in the hands of Islam," preferring "a civilized group ... friendly to the West" over hostile Muslim nations. He was frustrated at being unable to criticize Israel without being labeled an anti Semitic, and had vehement disagreements about how the war was prosecuted and messaged; he wanted it to be over and saw more freedom to criticize America than Israel. "Even Tucker Carlson" noted Charlie Kirk's anti Semitic labeling; "BB's comments" were odd; he hosted critics like Dave Smith and recognized that "young people were much more Israeli skeptic," arguing that silencing debate would be a "huge disservice to the conservative movement."

The scene centers on a group of characters wrestling with sobriety, addiction, and the pressures of family and recovery. Speaker 0 opens with a stark line about confronting a death sentence sober, suggesting that sobriety can stretch time into “an eternity.” The conversation shifts to gratitude and endurance: Speaker 1 asks Charlie to thank God for “Six months of sobriety,” prompting silence from Charlie about what he wants to say. A tension-filled moment follows as Speaker 0 teases a lingering smell of weed, while Speaker 2 notes Charlie’s appearance, saying “You look like you came from a funeral.” The group moves to practical matters, with Speaker 2 offering space to use the bathroom and then referencing “my mother's oxies,” hinting at the pervasive presence of drugs in their environment. Charlie asserts his resistance to being labeled a drug addict, telling Speaker 0, “Dad, I'm not gonna listen to you tell me what a drug addict I am,” and contrasts his loyalty to continuity in governance with his family’s expectations, asking if his father will learn about Charlie’s situation when elected and pointing out that he’d be in Sacramento, governing. A moral choice emerges: “You can either head back to treatment or live on the streets. It's your choice. Charlie.” The dynamic teases loyalty and blame, with Charlie asked whether his dad would know about the situation if he remains involved with the governor’s race, leading to the insinuation that familial and political pressures collide. The dialogue acknowledges that “You're taking their side? Right. You're right. Go shoot up. Prove everyone right.” The group contemplates thirty days as a decisive period. The discussion broadens into the realities of outpatient treatment, emphasizing freedom paired with responsibility, and the necessity of ongoing group participation. The tone suggests hope and failure, with remarks such as, “We think he'll stay. He has no choice.” The theme of relationships—friendship in sobriety versus romance—emerges, and Speaker 0 notes the temptation to drink: “You know what would be so great right now? Drink.” The group grapples with the disease’s hold and the consequences of denial, as Speaker 0 warns, “If you continue to refuse to accept the disease that put you here, you will continue to be a repeat offender,” while another voice counters with, “Don't you mean repeat customer?” The tension culminates in a grim sense of confinement versus danger: “Rehab or jail, you know, quite a wide selection there. One of us had to keep him safe.” The room’s atmosphere suggests a claustrophobic, prison-like environment, contrasted with the possibility of escape. Speaker 0 reflects on the core motive behind addiction, “It's never about the drugs. All I ever wanted was a way to kill the noise.” The conversation closes with a bleak, dark humor about stigma and status: “Who is this kid with the silver spoon in his mouth and why does he keep cooking heroin in it? Total waste of a good utensil.”

Asked about the last meeting with Charlie, it wasn't 'about, like, this is what you should say,' but 'talking through the issues' with Charlie asking questions and 'then saying, Okay, I think I'm going to approach this issue this way and this is going to be my position on it.' They discussed 'USA to Israel,' and 'I'm opposed to USA to Israel. I want it to be drawn down,' noting Netanyahu's stance. They talked through 'why is Israel actually an American interest?' 'Why is it in America's interest to support Israel?' Charlie was a listener, and 'the open marketplace of ideas' was a core fundamental. He believed in that, which is why he annoyed people by platforming Tucker Carlson and others, because for Charlie, 'the idea that you're supposed to silence any opinion was anathema.' 'Do I think he went too far with it? Well, yes.'

Charlie Kirk was brought to the golf course to meet me about a month ago, in town to set up this turning point thing. It was around an 08:45AM start, and they brought him out as I prepared to go to the range and loosen up. I spoke with him for about a half hour; he told me how he grew up in a home where my program was on all the time. He was effusively complimentary to me, which I understood, and told me he's wise. His family is wise. He chuckled. He laughed. This is the kind of guy that you can see really becoming big in politics as he gets older. He has the carriage, the personality, the charisma. I remember when Bill Clinton became president; there were stories about him, and there were stories that people were saying the same things about Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 0 says Charlie bridged foreign policy gaps due to "genuine affection for Israel," and he privately expressed that he "love Israel." He argued, "we should not have another forever war, regime change war against Iran," and that view made him approachable because "this person doesn't hate me. It doesn't need to get existential. It's not about disliking me or some weird bigotry." He urged continuing in "the spirit that he operated in, which is one of love for other people, including people we disagree with." Speaker 1 notes Charlie was "a hardliner on immigration" who "wanted us to control our borders as much as possible" and who "wanted us to ramp up the deportations." He recalls Charlie asking, "why aren't the deportations higher? Why aren't you doing more?" He adds, "I'm a free citizen. I love you guys. I supported you guys, and I'm going to use my platform to try to accomplish as much good as I possibly can." He concludes, "I think that made him such an effective operator."

Speaker honors Charlie as driven by Christianity and devotion to God, urging us to 'live our lives in perfect imitation of Christ' and to turn 'every day and every moment and every interaction into a prayer.' He says Charlie understood that 'it's only by surrender to God that God's power can flow into our lives and make us effective human beings.' Charlie's passions included free speech; 'the free flow of information was the soil, the water, the sunlight for democracy' and conversation as a healer of division. Personal notes recount a granddaughter leaving for college in Europe, 'packed a bible' and saying 'I want to live more like Charlie.' In a July 2021 talk they discussed 'the risks that all of us take when we challenge entrenched interests, the physical risk.'

Speaker 1 says he met Charlie when he was a teenager, connected to, funded by, a close friend of ours called Foster Freeze, 'a wonderful man from Wilmington, Delaware.' He admits initial skepticism: 'He's not going to college. I've always been opposed to college in my whole life.' He thought Charlie might be a predator until a dinner Q&A changed things. 'I'm passionately opposed to marijuana and drugs.' Charlie 'never used any drugs his whole life, and he was at the time. He was kind of libertarian on the subject.' He argues weed is 'a control device designed to make you passive and accepting of the system that's destroying you.' The relationship deepened; Charlie later appeared on Fox as views evolved. 'An honest man asked himself why they didn't work and what might work.' 'Charlie had no problem at all getting up and being like, I was at Neocon.'

Charlie Kirk's death is a dark moment for America and a turning point—a call to action. He founded Turning Point USA and was "the greatest man I've ever personally known" and "the least hypocritical man" who "practiced what he preached." I met him in a Chicago diner in 2012; he slept on couches while building the movement, and Rush Limbaugh said, "everywhere I go, I run into Charlie Kirk." He coached me through my darkest days, helped with payroll, and on stage urged pastors to pray for me. "The price for his message was his life." "Justice just isn't there for those who deserve it." Without accountability, we live under the illusion of freedom. "God was using Charlie to wake up this generation," and "A million more Charlie Kirks are gonna be born." The future of this nation will be determined by the choice you make.

Speaker 1 describes Charlie Kirk’s Christianity as sincere, saying it informed every part of his life—from his marriage and the way he treated his children to how he approached disagreement and thought of others—always primarily as people. He was younger, which made him hard to take seriously at first, but over more than ten years the speaker learned from him, especially how to disagree with people on topics they take seriously without hating them or feeling bitterness. Behind-the-scenes tensions existed in foreign policy debates within the GOP, but Kirk liked people. He would say privately that he agreed with them on some points. The speaker was struck that there was a person behind the views, which inspired him, and he believes God commands that and that Kirk lived it. Speaker 0 adds that Kirk treated everybody with respect, loved people, wanted their salvation, and sought their relationship with God, when disagreeing.

Charlie Kirk's death is a moment for America. It's also a turning point for you and me, a call to action. Charlie was Turning Point USA. He was the least hypocritical man I've ever known and he practiced what he preached. He was a Buckley-Limbaugh figure. Kierkegaard said, 'the most painful state of being is remembering the future, particularly the one that you'll never have.' I met him in a Chicago diner in 2012; he spoke about building a movement of young people. At the Turning Point Faith Conference, he summoned me on stage to pray for me, 'as if it depended on God.' He helped me make payroll. Charlie answered, 'courage from my faith.' He did not point left or right but up. The price for his message was his life. Without accountability, we live under the illusion of freedom. A million more Charlie Kirks are gonna be born.

Charlie consistently asserted that Jew hate is brainwrought. He emphasized this point firmly, noting that he and the speaker have visited Israel twice together, and expressing that walking where their Lord walked and seeing the Bible come to life in technicolor makes hatred toward the place or the Jewish people incomprehensible. The speaker counters by saying that hatred arises from people who cling to conspiracy theories, which he describes as sick and something that needs to stop. He asserts a shared humanity by stating that no one is perfect—no Christian, no Jew, no Muslim. Humans are broken and sinful and in need of a lord and savior. He then underscores the importance of giving one’s life to the Lord. Once fully surrendered to the Lord, he claims that there is “no room in your heart for hate.” He expresses sorrow for the listener’s daughter and offers a prayer that the tragedy will be extinguished in the world. Despite such sorrow, he notes that we are living in “enemy occupied territory,” and that daily we must guard our minds and hearts. The recommended guard is reading God’s word. Finally, he insists that the Old Testament and the New Testament cannot be separated; they are inseparable in their message and significance.

I met Charlie for the first time in July 2001. I went on his podcast, and I think we approached each other with a lot of trepidation at that time. But by the end of the podcast, we were soulmates. We were spiritual brothers, and we were we were friends. And over the next couple of years, our friendship blossomed. He ended up being the primary architect of my unification with president Trump, which I which I did my endorsement at his rally at the Turning Point rally in in Scottsdale. And he was the one who put the sparklers on the stage when I when I show that. He made a big show of it, but

Charlie Kirk and I were not friends; the last week of his life we were beefing hard. But the day before he died, he sent me a personal message calling for personal dialogue, wanting me to come on the show. He said, 'We could be gentlemen together.' He said, 'we could deal with our disagreements agreeably.' In the past week and a half, watching talk of civil wars and censorship surrounding his death, I thought it was important to tell people: 'Don't put that on Charlie Kirk' because the last day of his life, he was reaching out to have not more censorship, more conversation, more dialogue with somebody who honestly was one of his adversaries, me. And I just wanna share that with the world. And I hope that maybe it might help somebody on both sides deal with issues more like he did.

Speaker 0 asks how people can trust Speaker 1 and if he is part of the cabal or a freemason. Speaker 1 responds by saying not to trust him, but to trust themselves. He dismisses the idea of controlled opposition and urges people to do their own research and make their own decisions. He criticizes those who are indecisive and tells them to grow up. Speaker 1 talks about his own sacrifices and challenges, claiming to eat rice and onions daily while fighting for important causes. He expresses frustration with politicians and accuses them of being part of the problem. He concludes by telling people to stop asking him questions and to take action themselves.

Over the past year and a half I became closer to Charlie Kirk, joining a group chat he called his 'brain trust.' We discussed Israel, Jewish–Christian relations, antisemitism. He was an adamant opponent of antisemitism. Campus talks exposed him to questions, including about the Talmud, and he provided 'very good answers'—'better answers than probably 98% of Jews probably could offer there.' We strategized to turn back the tide against rising antisemitism and anti-Israel sentiment. Charlie said roughly half, 50% of the questions that he got asked were all on Israel, Jews. He organized a Zoom call the night before Utah Valley University event, the first stop of a tour, with me, Pesach Willicki, producers, and one Christian pastor. The fact that he was seeking our counsel... calls into question this narrative that he was getting ready to renounce his lifelong support for the Jewish people, for the state of Israel.

He was just a boy of 18 when he saw the call to lead, built a fire in the heartland, and planted one determined seed, saying, “let's give a voice to freedom. Let's let the young one speak.” He traveled coast to coast to make the strong stand with the weak, raised “the flag of reason” and held “the line of truth in the face of fear and darkness.” “His courage is the proof.” On the day that Charlie died, “a million voices cried for the courage of a young man who refused to run and hide.” He lit torture reason in the storm of endless nights, and though they took his life away, “they'll never dim his light.” From the halls of every campus to the streets of every town, he stood up for the values that some tried to tear down. He believed in our open voices.

The speaker met a "larger than life figure" at David's house who spoke for an hour and a half and was also hilarious. The speaker realized they had gotten it totally wrong and had believed superficial mainstream media narratives. After reading the lawsuits, the speaker felt that the contortions people went through to prevent this man from getting into power made the speaker want him in power even more. The speaker believed "they" were afraid of something they wouldn't say out loud, but that "thing" needed to be exercised from the US government. The speaker believes it is a "thing" that "they" want to protect, and it involves disclosure of some kind.

Speaker 0: The speech opens with a critique of denouncing and a reference to the red guard/ c ultural revolution, questioning why nobody denounces others the way that era was denounced. The speaker recalls that the entire point of Charlie Kirk’s public life was to have actual debate, and asserts that Charlie “died for it.” The last several months of Charlie’s life were devoted, in part, to arguing about this event and this speech, which he asked the speaker to deliver earlier this year, this summer. The speaker notes that Charlie faced immense pressure from people who fund Turning Point who wanted him to remove the speaker from the roster. This has all become public, and the speaker describes the situation as sad, stating that Charlie stood firm in his often stated and deeply held belief that people should be able to debate. The speaker emphasizes that if someone has something valid to say and is telling the truth, they ought to be able to explain it calmly and in detail to people who don’t agree with them, and that they shouldn’t immediately resort to “shut up racist.” The speaker adds that “shut up racist” is the number one reason they voted for Donald Trump. They declare that if they were a racist or a bigot, they would simply say so, noting that it’s America and one is allowed to be whatever kind of person they want. They insist they are not a racist and have always opposed-bigoted views, but criticize the style of debate that prevents the other side from talking or being heard by immediately going to motive, asking why the question is asked, and stating they detect “a certain evil in your soul” in the question. They say that listening to such a question implicates the listeners too, and that someday they may be asked to denounce that person; they assert that friendship is not a reason to defend someone and that love is no defense. The speaker reflects that they thought that phase had ended and that they are not going to engage in those rules. They affirm that if someone doesn’t like what they think, that’s fine as long as they get to express it. That remains their view.

Speaker 0 argues that conspiracy theories have been made to look like lunacy, noting that the Kennedy assassination popularized the term “conspiracy theorist.” He says it wasn’t widely used before Kennedy, but afterward it became a label for “kooks,” and he’s repeatedly been called that. Speaker 1 acknowledges this dynamic. He and Speaker 0 discuss what a conspiracy is—“more people working together to do something nefarious?”—and Speaker 0 asserts that conspiracies have always happened. He disputes the view that most conspiracies are due to ineptitude, insisting that when there is profit, power, control, and resources involved, most conspiracies, in fact, turn out to be true. He adds that the deeper you dig, the more you realize there’s a concerted effort to make conspiracies seem ridiculous so people won’t be seen as fools. Speaker 1 remarks on the ridicule as well, and Speaker 0 reiterates his own self-description: “I am a conspiracy theorist,” a “foolish person,” and “a professional clown.” He mocks the idea that being labeled foolish is a barrier, and reflects on how others perceive him. Speaker 0 then provides specific, provocative examples of conspiracies he believes are real: Gulf of Tonkin was faked to justify U.S. entry into Vietnam; production of heroin ramped up to 94% of the world’s supply once the U.S. occupied Afghanistan; and the CIA, in the United States, allegedly sold heroin or cocaine in Los Angeles ghettos to fund the Contras versus the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. He states clearly that these claims are real and asserts that there are conspiracy theorists who are “fucking real.” Speaker 1 pushes back on reputation and judgment, and Speaker 0 reaffirms his self-identification as a conspiracy theorist who faces mockery. Speaker 1 suggests that this stance might give him a “superpower.”

Speaker 1 is against weed because he has never tried drugs and sees no point in using a drug that makes you calm. He would rather take a drug that makes him superhuman, like meth. Speaker 0 used to smoke weed and believes it can be used as a spiritual tool to find motivation and oneself. Speaker 1 disagrees, stating that true spirituality comes from survival experiences, like fighting or competing in UFC, rather than taking drugs as a shortcut. He believes using drugs to find oneself is a cop-out.