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Free speech isn't a free fall in Europe. There are two anti free speech movements that have coalesced. The U. S. Anti free speech movement began in higher education, then metastasized throughout the government. The Berlin World Forum followed the remarks of Vice President Vance on free speech, and the EU was red hot. Hillary Clinton was there, and she really fueled the anger. When Twitter was purchased by Elon Musk, she called on the EU to use the infamous Digital Services Act, which is one of the most anti free speech pieces of legislation in decades. And she called upon the EU to use the DSA to force the censorship of American citizens, force people like Musk to censor. After the World Forum, they further globalized this effort, threatening companies like ACTS with ruinous fines unless they resume censoring American citizens.

Guy Mettin argues that Russophobia is rooted in religious and historical narratives that long predate modern geopolitics. He traces the irrational hostility toward Russia to deep-seated religious split dynamics, notably the Schism between Western Catholics and Eastern Orthodox in the eleventh century, and the way Catholic propaganda cast Byzantium’s Orthodox as schismatic, barbarian, and despotic. After Byzantium fell, Russia claimed the Orthodox heritage, which then fed a narrative of confrontation with Western Europe. In the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries, Western powers weaponized this narrative to justify anti-Russian sentiment as Russia rose as a European power after Peter the Great and Catherine II. A key example is the forged “testament of Peter the Great,” which France’s Louis XV, Napoleon, Britain after Vienna 1815, and later U.S. circles used to cast Russia as aiming to conquer the West, justifying preemptive actions and fear-driven policy. He notes the testament’s repeated misuse by Napoleon, the British, and even post-Vienna propaganda that shaped decades of Russophobia, including cartoons and cultural depictions like Bram Stoker’s Dracula as a symbol of Russian aristocracy. He emphasizes that this phobia has two functions: the belief that Western security depends on opposing Russia, and the idea that failure to act against Russia invites invasion. This dual function persists in contemporary discourse, where European calls for more weapons to deter Russia echo the old premise that what happens on Russia’s borders determines Europe’s fate. He asserts that Russia has not historically aggressed against Western Europe in the way Western narratives claim; rather, invasions often originated from the West (Teutonic knights, Mongols, Poland, Sweden, Napoleonic France, Germany, Britain). Russia’s own incursions into Europe have been responses to aggression by others, such as Napoleon’s invasion or Hitler’s World War II actions. The discussion turns to how the West constructs an ethical framework in which liberal democracy and human rights are presented as universal ideals, and any actions by Russia are interpreted through that lens. This leads to a paradox: when European powers sanction Russian academics or journalists in the name of defending freedom of expression, it appears inconsistent with the First Amendment protections observed in the United States, while Europe pursues sanctions that curb scholarly debate. He cites specific cases: sanctions against Swiss journalist Xavier Meurice and Jacques Bou, and mentions the sanctioning of other researchers; he also highlights Thierry Breton’s sanctioning by the United States as an example of perceived contradictions in Western policy. He contrasts the greater freedom of opinion in the U.S. with growing European censorship and the suppression of discourse on topics such as NATO expansion and U.S. involvement in Ukraine. Mettin discusses how Western journalists and NGOs may be influenced or embedded within foreign policy aims. He recalls Udo Ulfkotte’s critique of the “corrupted journalist” ecosystem—NATO/N Atlantis-linked influence, seminars, and conferences designed to mold media narratives. He recounts personal experiences in Sarajevo during the 1990s, where journalists were invited by NATO and the UN and later found the narrative they were fed to be constructed. He argues that funding sources, such as Open Society foundations, can bias investigative journalism, leading to a loss of independence, as observed in his experience with the Consortium of International Investigative Journalists (ICIJ) under Soros-Open Society money. The conversation shifts to the global dimension of Russophobia. He notes a growing anti-Russian sentiment is not shared elsewhere; in parts of Africa, Asia, and Latin America, there are relatively more favorable or nuanced attitudes toward Russia, which gives him optimism that the anti-Russian stance in Europe may eventually wane. He suggests broadening analysis to Ukraine and Eastern Europe—Finland, the Baltic states, Poland, Romania, Moldova—to understand how resentment toward Soviet-era rule persists and morphs into modern attitudes toward Russia, even as the Soviet past fades. Towards the end, he mentions Orban in Hungary as an example of a leader who can separate past anti-Russian sentiment from a rational present-day policy, arguing for a more principled approach. He closes with an endorsement of discussing these issues openly and hopes that the hate of Russia will eventually diminish. He invites listeners to read his book, Russophobia, and thanks the interviewer, Maxime, for the dialogue.

"Today's misinformation is always tomorrow's truth. It's always the government who wants to censor people who are critical of the government." "Europe is trying to police everyone and shake down American tech companies, which is exactly what the digital markets act looked like. That is what's at stake here, and that is not how our First Amendment works." "Everything our government here in The United States told us about COVID turned out to be false. If you criticize any of the things they initially told you, you had to be censored." "When Elon bought Twitter, now it's a place where the first amendment and free speech are right where they need to be." "The spillover effect it can have on, American content being seen by European users." "The answer to stupid speech, bad speech, and wrong speech is more speech." "the hallmark of Western culture is free expression." "There were 12,183 arrests for offensive post online." "Global Alliance for Responsible Media." "Disinformation governance board."

- The conversation opens with a discussion of escalating dynamics in the Ukraine conflict as a new year begins, focusing on how the rules of war have shifted over the past four years, including the depth of NATO involvement and when actions cross into direct war. The speakers note that political leadership has largely been exempt from the war, but Russia has had opportunities to strike Ukrainian leaders that have been avoided, raising questions about future targets and the diplomatic path. - Speaker 1 argues that the political leadership has indeed been outside the war, and that voices inside Russia are growing more critical. They challenge the Western portrayal of Vladimir Putin as a dictator, suggesting Putin has restrained destruction that could hit the West, and asserting that the West and Zelenskyy have grown comfortable with exemptions. They warn that continued escalation could lead to a nuclear conflict with Europe at risk due to its geographic compactness, citing the potential fallout from attacks on American nuclear bases and the broader geopolitical consequences. - The discussion moves to the potential consequences of Western strikes on energy infrastructure and frontline energy targets, including refineries and civilian vessels. The speakers examine how Russia might respond if its assets are attacked at sea or in the Black Sea, and the possibility of Russia forcing Ukraine to lose access to the Black Sea through strategic military actions. The analysis includes a few provocative specifics: British and European actors allegedly orchestrating or enabling attacks, the role of third-country-flagged ships, and the idea that reflagging to Russian flags could be treated as an act of war by Russia. - The dialogue delves into the operational dynamics of the Mediterranean and Black Sea theatres, noting incidents such as sunflowers and other oil cargo damage, the Caspian transit company's facilities, and the implications for Turkish oil revenue and Western economies. The speakers argue that Western powers are drawing in broader international actors and that the war could expand beyond Ukraine, potentially dragging in NATO ships and submarines in a conflict at sea. They warn that if escalation continues, it could trigger a broader, more destructive war in Europe. - The conversation shifts to the likely trajectory of the battlefield, with Speaker 1 offering a grim assessment: the Donbas front and the Zaporozhye region are nearing collapse for Ukrainian forces, with Russian forces dominating missile and drone capabilities and outmaneuvering on three axes. The analysis suggests that within two to three months, upper-river-front areas, including the Zaporozhzhia and surrounding Donbas fronts, could be fully compromised, leaving only a few large urban pockets. The absence of civilian protection and the encirclement of cities would accelerate Ukrainian withdrawals and surrender, while Russia could enhance pressure on remaining fronts, including Donbas and Sumy, Kharkiv, and Dnieper regions, as weather and terrain favor Russian movements. - The speakers discuss the impact of collapsing command posts and morale, likening the abandonment of Gudai Poia to a sign of impending broader collapse, with open terrain making Ukrainian forces vulnerable to rapid Russian breakthroughs. They suggest that strategic fortifications will be overwhelmed as the front line collapses and supply lines are severed, with a predicted sequence of encirclements and city sieges. - The US role is analyzed as both a negotiator and strategist, with the assertion that the United States has long led the proxy dimension of the conflict and continues to influence targeting and weapons delivery. The discussion questions the coherence of US policy under Trump versus Biden, arguing the conflict remains a US-led enterprise despite attempts to reframe or outsources it. The speakers describe the US as hedging its bets through ongoing military support, budgets, and intelligence cooperation, while insisting that Ukraine remains a core objective of US hegemony. - A critical examination of European Union leadership follows, with strong claims that the EU is increasingly tyrannical and undemocratic, sanctioning dissidents andSuppressing speech. The dialogue condemns the deplatforming of individuals and argues that the EU’s leadership has undermined diplomacy and negotiated peace, instead pushing toward a broader confrontation with Russia. The speakers suggest that several European countries and elites are pursuing escalating policies to maintain power, even at the risk of deepening European instability and economic collapse. - The conversation ends with reflections on broader historical patterns, invoking Kennan’s warnings about NATO expansion and the risk of Russian backlash, and noting the potential for the EU to fracture under pressure. The participants acknowledge the risk of a wider conflict that could redefine global power and economic structures, while expressing concern about censorship, deplatforming, and the erosion of diplomacy as barriers to resolving the crisis. They conclude with a cautious note to prepare for worst-case scenarios and hope for, but not rely on, better circumstances in the near term.

The speaker discusses the Alternative for Germany (AFD) party's experiences, claiming the party has faced media labeling, social exclusion, and economic hardship for its members. They state that the AFD's rise in popularity has led to increased institutional measures against them, including being labeled as extremist by the intelligence service. The speaker claims that the EU is a Soviet-style bureaucratic system disturbing free markets and democratic processes. They thank Elon Musk for providing an alternative to mainstream media, which they allege is government-funded and biased. They believe Germany is on the wrong path, particularly regarding energy policy and its stance on the Ukraine conflict. The speaker worries about the possibility of the AFD being banned and its leaders imprisoned, but remains hopeful that the German people will see through what they describe as a facade. They express concern over the undermining of democratic processes and the exclusion of the AFD from parliamentary representation.

Europe has changed dramatically, and there is no freedom of speech anymore. Pavlov, the head of Telegram, was removed from his airplane in France. Thierry Breton, chairman of the European Commission, allegedly threatened Elon Musk with criminal and civil prosecution if he interviewed Donald Trump live on X spaces. Brazil censored Twitter and other social media sites three weeks ago. This rise of censorship and totalitarianism is occurring worldwide. The only hope to prevent that in the U.S. is Donald Trump; otherwise, this is what will happen if Kamala gets in.

Speaker 0 argues that free speech is not a free fall in Europe, contending that two anti free speech movements have coalesced. One movement is in Europe, which has “laid waste to free speech” in countries such as Germany, France, and England, and also in places like Canada. The other movement is described as the US anti-free-speech movement, which began in higher education and then metastasized throughout the government, but which has “all reached our shores now.” The speaker notes that the Berlin World Forum followed remarks on free speech by Vice President Vance, and that the EU was “red hot.” They describe the forum as “the most anti free speech gathering I’ve ever been part of,” with only two attendees from the free speech community, but those present are “committed.” Hillary Clinton is identified as being there and said to have fueled the anger. A key claim is that when Twitter was purchased by Elon Musk, Clinton called on the EU to use the Digital Services Act, described as “one of the most anti free speech pieces of decades,” to force censorship of American citizens and to compel people like Musk to censor. The speaker characterizes this as “an extraordinary act by someone who was once a presidential candidate in The United States,” and asserts that Clinton’s position reflects a commitment to censorship. The speaker further claims that after the World Forum, this effort was globalized, and that they are “threatening companies like ACTS with ruinous fines unless they resume censoring American citizens.” The overall message emphasizes a belief that anti free speech forces are expanding globally, using regulatory tools such as the Digital Services Act to compel censorship and penalize platforms that do not comply, with the World Forum acting as a catalyst for broader international pressure.

The speaker expresses concern over three recent developments: the Global Compact for Migration, the international pandemic treaty by the WHO, and the EU Digital Services Act. They argue that these initiatives aim to disempower national parliaments, suspend fundamental rights, and concentrate power in the hands of the UN, WHO, and EU. The speaker specifically highlights the Digital Services Act, which introduces a digital state of emergency allowing platforms like Facebook to be completely shut down at the EU's discretion. They criticize the law for obligating platforms to prioritize government propaganda and censor content deemed harmful or critical of the EU. The speaker accuses the EU of attacking freedom of speech and democracy.

The speaker believes freedom of speech in the West is in a dire state, citing the UK's online hate speech arrests, Pavel Durov's arrest in France, and X's ban in Brazil. They claim the EU's Digital Service Act (DSA) grants the EU power to take down X for non-compliance, including removing "illegal hate speech." The DSA has supremacy over national law in EU member states. The speaker views Durov's arrest as a warning to Elon Musk. They believe EU leaders have an "inverted demonic view" of freedom of speech, limiting it to "protect democracy" by censoring content they dislike, labeling it as misinformation. The speaker will post weekly videos on X. They urge Europeans to dismantle the EU and Americans to make the "right decision" in the upcoming election.

Power corrupts. “Power corrupts. We’ve seen that all across the world.” “Today’s misinformation is always tomorrow’s truth.” and “It’s always the government who wants to censor people who are critical of the government.” He contrasts US free speech with Europe’s clampdown, arguing that “When Elon bought Twitter, now it's a place where the first amendment and free speech are right where they need to be,” while Europe’s “Online Safety Act” and “EU’s Digital Services Act” aim to “shake down American tech companies,” a policy stance he says is “not how our First Amendment works.” He cites UK “12,183 arrests for offensive post online,” Heathrow detentions of a comedian, and Poland for “liking a video,” urging press transparency: “the answer to stupid speech, bad speech, and wrong speech is more speech,” and suggesting remedies: “highlight the facts out there, and you show how ridiculous it is,” plus trade talks and potential sanctions on Ofcom. He references the “disinformation governance board,” the “GARM” debate, and the spillover effect on American content.

There is an unknown group of "globalitarian misanthropists" calling the shots, not figures like Ursula von der Leyen, Bill Gates, or Klaus Schwab. Elected governments are merely puppets implementing their plans, which seems to be erecting a one-world government. This would transform free societies into a collectivism where individuals are malleable parts. The EU is a stepping stone towards this one-world government. Europeans would never surrender national sovereignty directly, so the EU institutions were created under the pretext of preventing wars. By relinquishing competencies to the EU, it conditions Europeans to accept a one-world government.

The EU government determines what disinformation is and requires social media platforms to ban those who post views that deviate from EU policy. This approach is seen as dangerous, as it suppresses dissent on the internet in an authoritarian and totalitarian manner. Despite the perception of the EU as democratic, their actions in prosecuting the war on COVID and in general show an aggressive stance in preventing dissent online, which goes against the values we associate with our enemies.

Europeans have no real chance to influence political dynamics and are forced to follow seemingly absurd orders from the top of the European Union. These orders are actually formulated by usurious Masonic oligarchies in control of organizations like the World Economic Forum, UN, NATO, Bilderberg, and others. Whether it's about digital wallets, carbon credits, migration flows, or beach concessions, the result is the same: the people have no say and are instead oppressed, robbed, and humiliated. Any opposition is ignored and crushed under the tanks of retaliation, censorship, and political correctness. This totalitarian, materialistic Europe, built on the legalized fraud of the euro and public debt, was intentionally created to gradually weaken national sovereignty, attack economies, ethnic identity, and age-old traditions. It aims to dismantle the old continent and establish a new world order by 2050, with a central government, a single currency, a common language, and a universal religion, all under the guise of happy degrowth, transhumanism, and hyper-surveillance. The globalist elites hold the power.

The speaker argues that the European Union, the United Nations, and the World Health Organization should be abolished. They claim there are numerous European “x” accounts aiming to provoke Western Europeans to go to war with Russia because Western funding for Ukraine is dwindling, and they say these actors want to attack Russia regardless of US backing. A self-proclaimed “Gunther” is featured as a controversial figure who says he’s part of NATO, but the speaker notes that NATO publicly denies knowing him and that Gunther formed his own NGOs without funding. The speaker highlights Gunther’s post: Europeans will never be slaves. In response, the speaker asks why Gunther would arrest people for telling the truth online and trying to enslave them in a digital prison; they claim Gunther is misrepresenting online repression and compare digital punishment to real torture. The speaker cites a German police investigation of a Gab user who called a female politician fat, emphasizing the use of the term fat as quoted in the post. They challenge Gunther by asking if the photo shows a Victoria’s Secret model, implying a discrepancy between appearances and claims, and label Gunther as aligning with “the EU’s bitches” and lacking sovereignty. They accuse Hungary of being fined a million dollars a day for not accepting “undesirables,” asserting EU law requires such intake and that white Europeans are urged to fight against Russia while others (described in demeaning terms) contribute less. The speaker argues that Western Europe is dependent on the United States, stating that the US is the biggest financier of NATO and possesses the most powerful military, and that Europeans would be abandoned without US support. They remark that Gunther’s post demonstrates this dependence, noting Gunther’s post about Trump wanting to win and withdraw the US Navy from European seas, which would leave Europe exposed to Russia and Iran. The speaker mocks Gunther’s attempt to lead a European naval force and requests continued US Navy presence for a decade to help. Overall, the speaker frames a narrative of European subservience to the United States, critiques of EU sovereignty, and hostility toward Western multinational institutions, while repeatedly referencing Gunther as a focal figure in these exchanges.

Should the Judiciary Committee be concerned if European law results in the censorship of Americans? Absolutely, especially after recent events. I shared information this morning on X about a judicial ruling in Europe asserting their right to censor. We're seeing similar trends in Australia, where authorities believe they should censor the entire global Internet of disfavored information. This is very disturbing and really makes you question our alliance with Europe.

The European Union is pressuring tech companies to censor content secretly, with Elon Musk's x being the only one resisting. The EU is threatening x with fines for not complying. Governments and intelligence agencies are involved in demanding censorship, while spreading their own disinformation. X's community notes system allows for corrections to false information, unlike what the EU claims. Musk's refusal to censor is crucial for free speech. To fight back, share the video, join the email list, and support the free speech movement. Stand up against foreign interference in free speech.

I want to show you the connections between those trying to block Kalin Georgescu's presidential candidacy and a Soros-funded NGO responsible for EU censorship. This NGO aims to stop Donald Trump, take down Elon Musk, and censor right-wing voices. They even interfered in Spain's elections in 2023, blasting banners against the Vox party leader and urging alliances against them. The person challenging Georgescu's candidacy is connected to Alina Bordoano, a teacher and dean who promotes online censorship, believing people can't handle too much information. She supports Avaz, the NGO behind the Digital Services Act, which is the foundation for censorship bills in the EU and Romania. This is highly interesting because Thierry Breton has suggested that if things go south, they'll cancel elections. Censorship bills are expected to happen everywhere.

Afshin Ratanzi and the guest discuss the Epstein files and how they are being linked to Russia and Western power structures. The guest says 3,000,000 Epstein files have not been released by the Department of Justice, with Trump administration’s attempts to block them and congressional efforts by Thomas Massie and Ro Conner to release them. He notes the files describe how a former Russian deputy, Ponomarev, allegedly wanted to incite a coup in Russia and the assassination of President Putin, and mentions interest in interviewing Ponomarev, who reportedly lives in Kiev. The guest adds that Going Underground has interviewed some people from the Epstein files, including Noam Chomsky, who he says criticized how NATO media prevent understanding of world events and support Russiagate. He mentions Ehud Barak walked out of the show, and notes FBI sworn statements containing disturbing allegations such as child cannibalism, and says these are “allegations, of course.” He asserts Western media will blame Putin and Russia to avoid confronting the broader “dump of redacted 3,000,000 files,” portraying Washington, London, and Brussels as oligarch-dominated and condemning Western democracy while accusing elites of trafficking children and influencing tax legislation to enrich the rich. The host asks what fears the Epstein links raise. The guest explains that Epstein, described as a Mossad asset, purportedly sought to destroy the Russian Federation because a multipolar world involving China, Russia, Venezuela, and Iran challenges Zionist expansion. He argues leaders from those countries aren’t in the Epstein files, contrasting them with Western elites. He discusses why media might link Epstein to Russia, noting that Trump’s handling of the files has caused concern in West Asia; the guest suggests Trump could launch wars (e.g., Iran) to distract from links to Epstein and to avoid scrutiny of his own associations, which could have global economic consequences if Straits of Hormuz were affected. Addressing why the “Russia hoax” persists, the guest emphasizes the existence of a captive population in NATO countries through propaganda and restricted access to alternative outlets (citing bans on Rumble in France and RT in Britain), arguing Western oligarchs control cultural and media sectors. He contends that Western systems have historically supported wars in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, and Syria, and claims public belief about events like Bucha could be shaped by NATO media. Regarding Britain’s role, the guest claims MI6 is heavily involved in wars including Syria, with Epstein-linked interests tied to overthrowing Assad; he notes Peter Mandelson’s resignation from the House of Lords and his appointment as British ambassador to the United States, highlighting Britain’s investment in destroying Russia since the Crimean War. He cautions that Britain’s diplomacy may be a lie and urges BRICS and Shanghai Cooperation Organization members to reassess Western leaders, suggesting distrust toward Western diplomacy and warning that leaders in global South should recognize a pattern of destruction propagated by Western powers. The interview ends with thanks to Afshin Ratanzi.

Ray McGovern, a former CIA officer who chaired the National Intelligence Estimate and prepared daily briefs for the president, discusses the newly released US national security strategy and its implications for the war in Ukraine, as well as broader US-Russia and US-Europe dynamics. - McGovern notes a dramatic shift in the national security strategy’s emphasis. He observes it prioritizes the Western Hemisphere, Asia, Europe, and the Middle East, with Russia treated as part of Europe. He contrasts this with past eras, recalling Paul Wolfowitz’s post–Gulf War doctrine, which asserted US primacy and the ability to act that Russia could not stop, and he emphasizes the stark difference between that era and the current document. - He recounts a historical anecdote from 1991–1992: Wolfowitz’s belief that the US could win where others could not, followed by a warning to General Wesley Clark that Russia would challenge US primacy as times changed. He points to subsequent US actions in Iraq (2003) and Syria (2015) as evidence of a shift in capability to project power, and he argues that in 2022 Russia halted US plans by preventing NATO expansion into Ukraine. - McGovern interprets the current strategy as signaling a recalibration: the US may be acknowledging a changing balance of power, with a focus on deterring Russia and stabilizing relations with Moscow, while recognizing that Europe is central to strategic calculations. He stresses that Russia’s core principle, in its view, is to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO, and he underscores that the strategy doc frames core interests as seeking strategic stability with Russia and a negotiated modus vivendi, though he notes these appear as a “castaway” in the Europe section. - He discusses ongoing high-level discussions in Berlin involving Witkoff (Wittkop) and Jared Kushner, and Zelenskyy’s positions on NATO membership and security assurances. He recalls past European reactions, including Rubio’s role in watering down European talking points and US–Russian negotiations, suggesting a pattern of European concessions followed by US–Russian engagement that sidelines European voices. - McGovern argues that Russia has “won the war” on the battlefield and that Moscow’s tactic is gradual, minimizing Ukrainian casualties while consolidating control over parts of Donetsk and other territorial objectives. He asserts Putin’s priority is to maintain a workable relationship with the United States, with Ukraine as a secondary concern. He also notes Trump’s stated interest in improving US-Russia relations, including a willingness to consider extending New START, and he highlights that Moscow would react to whether Trump commits to the treaty’s limits for another year, which would influence Moscow’s strategic calculations. - The discussion covers the internal US debate over how to handle Ukraine and whether to pursue negotiations with Russia. McGovern argues that the reality of Russia’s position and Ukraine’s losses complicate any simple “win” scenario for Ukraine, and he suggests that a negotiated settlement might eventually emerge if a durable US–Russia relationship can be pursued, given Russia’s advances on the battlefield and its leverage in European security. - They discuss John Mearsheimer’s realist perspective, arguing that Western expansion toward Ukraine contributed to the conflict, and that voices emphasizing NATO enlargement as the sole cause are contested. McGovern mentions Obama’s warnings not to give Ukraine illusions of prevailing against Russia and to avoid escalation, and he contrasts this with Stoltenberg’s statements about Russia’s preconditions for peace. - They also critique EU moves to seize Russian assets to fund Ukraine, suggesting that European leaders may be acting to preserve political power rather than align with the public’s long-term interests, and question whether such measures will endure or provoke wider political backlash. - In closing, McGovern reiterates that Russia has the upper hand for now, with the war’s outcome dependent on political decisions in Washington and Moscow, particularly whether Trump can extend New START, and whether European and US policymakers can sustain a realistic approach to security guarantees and the balance of power in Europe. The conversation ends with a cautious note about the potential for a settlement but ongoing uncertainties about the strategic environment and transatlantic politics.

The speaker discusses the current "transatlantic flank attack 2.0" strategy, where state department exiles are working with the EU to pass censorship laws. The EU Digital Services Act, crafted with input from figures like Michael Hayden and Tom Ridge, poses a major threat to freedom of speech. X faces the choice of forfeiting revenue or implementing internal censorship mechanisms to comply with the law. This battle against censorship from Europe is a significant challenge for X.

**Speaker 2 (Michael Shellenberger):** Many of us were shocked by Vance's speech, but I think it's long overdue. Americans deeply value freedom of speech, and we question our alliance when European judges try to censor our speech and social media platforms. America is tired of being the world's police officer, and our patience is tested when Europe seems to turn against enlightenment values like free speech. The only solution to misinformation is accurate information through free debate. **Speaker 3 (Natalie Tucci):** I don't believe there has been an erosion of free speech in Europe, and I don't think what we heard from the US Vice President has much to do with free speech. Vance's rhetoric sounds like the Russian playbook, turning arguments about democracy on their head. His meeting with Alice Weidel suggests election interference and support for far-right parties, which could end liberal democracy and European integration.