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Europe should have been negotiating with Russia, but now that Trump is, some are in an uproar. If the US stops sending arms and funding, the war will end. This all stems from American arrogance, going back decades to the US declaring itself the sole superpower and expanding NATO eastward, ignoring Russian concerns. The US participated in a violent coup in Ukraine in 2014, further escalating tensions. Europe needs a grown-up foreign policy, not one based on hate speech or Russophobia, but real diplomacy. NATO should have been disbanded in 1991. The US sees this as a game, but for Russia, it's about core national security.

In Ukraine, the situation is dire with many lives lost and historic buildings destroyed. Pouring more money into the conflict only prolongs the suffering and increases casualties. Russia's strategy of targeting power plants has left people freezing to death. As president, I believe I could resolve this crisis in just one day. It's crucial to have the power of the office and a strategic approach. The current talks and actions are ineffective, and every passing day benefits Putin while the death toll rises higher than reported. Immediate action is necessary to settle the conflict and prevent further devastation.

Russian occupiers are committing genocide in Ukraine, endangering the lives of millions. We urgently seek global support to save innocent lives, including women, men, children, families, and entire communities. The destruction caused by Russia in cities like Mariupol, Volnabakh, Bakhmut, and others cannot be ignored. We demand justice for these atrocities.

Thank God negotiations have begun; Europe should have been involved all along. The war will end if the United States stops providing arms and financing, as this conflict stems from American arrogance over the last 30 years. The U.S. destabilized nuclear arms control in 2002 and backed a violent coup in Ukraine in 2014, ignoring the UN Security Council. Europe needs a grown-up foreign policy, not childish, propaganda-based diplomacy. It should act as a united front, like the original 13 American colonies, and negotiate with Russia, China, and the U.S. under a framework of multilateralism. Europe needs its own defense, separate from NATO, to address its security concerns and foster stable relationships, promoting a global rule of law.

Speaker 0: Poroshenko. He orders to kill our own people. He doesn't care about shedding blood. We have a question. Why is this happening?

Our house is on fire, be careful. The anti-terrorism operation will not last two or three months. They say there are terrorists here, but who is the terrorist? We are the terrorists. Enough of the criminals. I used to be proud that Ukraine was the only country in the former Soviet Union without war, where the communists peacefully transferred power. But now, contradictions are intensifying. In December 2013, the Euromaidan movement grew in Kiev, motivated by the government's decision to sign an association agreement with the European Union. The protests started as a festival but became more hostile. The situation escalated, leading to a war in the Donbass region. The conflict divided the people, and politicians fueled the discord. The government launched an anti-terrorist operation, and the army began fighting in cities like Sloviansk. The war caused civilian casualties and destruction. The president, Poroshenko, promised peace but continued the conflict. The situation remains dire, with both sides suffering.

- The discussion centers on whether European actions against Russia amount to a NATO-wide escalation and could lead to direct confrontation with Russia outside Ukraine, given recent attacks on Russian energy infrastructure and civilian ships in the Black Sea, including a Russian oil tanker in the Mediterranean with reports of drones launched from Greece. Putin reportedly vowed retaliation, and the guests consider how European and U.S./NATO support for Ukraine factors into this dynamic. - Daniel Davis argues that a segment of the Western alliance wants a conflict with Russia, framing it as peace on their terms from a position of weakness. He says there is little consideration for Russia’s security requirements or a mutually acceptable peace, and that ignoring Russia’s security concerns has driven the current cycle of escalation. He notes that Western actions since 2021–2022 have ignored the Russian side and pursued war aims on Western terms, contributing to a deteriorating situation and increasing casualties on the Ukrainian side. - Davis contends that Russia has been reticent to respond to many provocations with significant actions outside Ukraine, implying that Moscow has avoided a full-scale escalation that could threaten NATO. He predicts that Putin will respond to Western strikes on Russian targets, possibly increasing pressure on Odessa and other civilian infrastructure in Ukraine, with a tit-for-tat pattern as Russia leverages its greater capacity to hit Western shipping and infrastructure. - He asserts that since 2023, the West’s approach has not reversed the battlefield dynamics; sanctions, intelligence inputs, and heavy weapon transfers have not pushed Russia out of Ukraine and have allowed NATO and European stockpiles to deplete while Russia continues to build up in key categories (missiles, air defense, logistics). He claims Europe’s commitment of large sums to Ukraine will further strain their economies and shorten their stockpiles, potentially weakening Western readiness for a wider conflict. - The guest stresses that Russia’s strategy appears to be “go slow” in Ukraine to maintain pressure without triggering a broader European or NATO intervention, while building up stockpiles to prepare for a possible expansion of war if needed. He notes that Russia has generated a stockpile advantage in missiles (including Oreshniks) and air defense that could be decisive in a broader conventional war. - The discussion covers Oreshnik missiles, with Davis explaining Russia’s aim to maximize production and use if needed, not merely deter. He argues that Western air defenses would be ineffective against such systems and that Russia’s broader stockpiling and production could outpace Western depletion. He suggests Russia’s buildup is intended to enable a decisive move if NATO or Western forces escalate, and that the West’s capacity to sustain prolonged high-tempo combat is limited. - Both speakers discuss Odessa as a likely target if Russia deems it necessary to retaliate against Western support for Ukraine, noting that recent strikes on bridges, trains, and energy facilities in the region indicate growing Russian intent to disrupt Ukraine’s rear and logistics in the event of a front-line escalation. They consider whether Russia could seize Odessa if Western concessions are not forthcoming, and whether European leaders would respond decisively if Russia moves against Ukrainian ports. - The hosts warn that Western rhetoric about a “just and lasting peace” may be misaligned with Russia’s goals and that the risk of a broader conflict—potentially involving nuclear considerations—exists if provocations continue. They caution that if the conflict widens, all sides—Russia, Ukraine, Europe, and the United States—could suffer heavy losses, and express concern about the potential for miscalculation as new weapons systems and security arrangements come into play before the year ends.

The speaker discusses the use of Ukraine to cause harm to its citizens. They emphasize the need to stop this collective effort to prevent further losses.

Putin's war against Ukraine has ended any hope that his regime can be deterred or play a responsible role in international affairs through diplomacy. After visiting Kyiv in January with a bipartisan delegation to meet with President Zelenskyy, and recently traveling to Poland and the Ukraine border, it's clear the crimes in Ukraine are creating massive humanitarian and military challenges for our NATO allies on a scale not seen since the Cold War.

The West is leading Ukraine down a path to destruction by encouraging them to play tough with Russia, with the false promise of Western support and victory over Putin. This encourages Ukrainians to avoid compromise and pursue a hard-line policy, which will wreck their country. A better policy would be to neutralize Ukraine, build up its economy, and remove it from the competition between Russia and NATO. It is in the interest of the West, Russia, and most importantly Ukraine, to end this crisis as quickly as possible.

This is one of the worst crimes of our age, marked by immense suffering and death, supported by the West. Few crimes have been so openly admitted and documented. Many journalists are frustrated with their media outlets' coverage, and they have the right to be. However, I urge them to consider their role in this situation. Western media shares the blame for the ongoing atrocities. If the media accurately reported these events, it could lead to change. Journalists must reflect on whether they want to be complicit in this crime and live with that shame. Regret will come too late if action isn't taken now. Do something.

Larry: Lavrov claimed Ukraine attempted to attack Putin’s official residence in Novgorod with around 91 long-range drones in December; allegedly all intercepted, no proof provided, no reported injuries or damage. Lavrov said retaliation is coming, targets for retaliatory strikes and timing had been set. Putin supposedly mentioned this on a call to Trump two days before the Zelensky meeting in Florida; Yuri, a Kremlin aide, said Putin was shocked and outraged, and that it would influence Washington’s approach to working with Zelensky. Russians claim Trump was relieved that no Tomahawk missiles were provided to Ukraine. No US confirmation; Trump described the meeting with Putin as very productive, and discussions included the temporary ceasefire not being an option. Budanov had suggested it wouldn’t be the first assassination attempt on Putin, but the most consequential due to timing. The question posed: who is the target—Ukraine, Zelensky, Budanov—or a Russian false flag to justify attacks and derail negotiations. Speaker 1: Timelines. The attack allegedly began the night of the 28th and continued into the 29th. The Russians say it was an attack on one of Putin’s residences, described as terrorism. Putin hasn’t lived at his residences for three years, using the Kremlin instead, but this is not the first Ukrainian attempt to target Putin; there was a proposed attack when he flew into Kursk by helicopter. Russians are upset that this attack had no military objective, only potential assassination, and they know Putin wasn’t there. The Russians view it as real and plan to respond; Lavrov indicated that negotiations would be reexamined. Budanov claims Ukrainian intelligence has targeted Putin multiple times; the attack timing coincides with Zelensky in Florida, suggesting possible rifts or risk of undermining negotiations. The possibility of Western (American or British) intelligence involvement is raised, with speculation about CIA influence or European intelligence, particularly Britain’s MI6, given its Ukrainian roots. The question remains whether the attack was staged to derail negotiations or a genuine strike. Larry: If Ukraine did this, why would they? Ukraine might want to eliminate an obstacle to peace, though that could backfire; some argue Putin is more restrained than any immediate successor. If 91 drones were launched, Western intelligence would likely be involved, possibly undermining Trump’s approach. There is a sense of mixed messages from U.S. intelligence, with individuals like Susan Miller pushing claims of Russian interference that contradict other narratives. Zelensky stated no territory would be ceded as part of negotiations; Russia’s position is that Crimea, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, Donetsk, and Luhansk must be permanently part of the Russian Federation, elections must occur in Ukraine before negotiations, NATO must be out of Ukraine, and demilitarization is non-negotiable. Russia suggests there will be no 800,000-man army; these conditions are not open for negotiation. Russia may be willing to discuss numbers of troops for Ukraine, but not to concede core territorial goals. Speaker 0: If CIA or other elements were behind this, could it be to undermine Trump or push for a peace deal by pressuring Putin? Putin showed up in uniform with the military leadership, signaling a hard stance on land/territory, stating that negotiations should proceed without ceasing. Some argue this would trigger a stronger Russian push, while others see this as undermining Trump’s efforts. Trump and Zelensky had discussed a peace plan with 90-95% agreement, with a few thorny issues, possibly territorial. Trump characterized their call as productive; Russia reportedly agreed to support Ukraine postwar with discounted energy and resources. Lavrov’s rapid response to the attack and the potential retaliation would affect ongoing negotiations, which some view as already derailed due to Ukraine’s intransigence on concessions. Speaker 1: Could European intelligence be involved? Britain’s MI6 is seen as critical; there is a suggestion that British intelligence could have acted without American consultation. This would strain relations with Trump, especially after new security strategy. The transcript also notes a broader shift in Western posture: some European leaders are pushing for stronger defense and a more independent European stance, which might influence the dynamic around negotiations and intelligence actions. Speaker 0: Zelensky’s Christmas remark, “may he perish,” followed by an attack on Putin’s residence, prompts questions about who’s pulling Zelensky’s strings. Zelensky is described as the “highest paid actor in the world” with large sums allegedly pilfered from Ukraine’s aid; Zelensky could be expendable to those steering Ukraine’s direction. The meeting in Mar-a-Lago between Zelensky, Trump, and others occurred while the Putin residence attack was underway, suggesting an attempt to undermine negotiations. Budanov’s connection to the CIA and potential independent actions by Ukrainian intelligence raise further concerns about internal Ukrainian divisions. Speaker 1: Russia’s potential retaliation could target Ukrainian intelligence assets like the SBU headquarters in Kyiv, or European assets inside Ukraine if evidence points to Western involvement. Russia’s current military actions include continuing strikes on power infrastructure, with movements in Zaporizhzhia and around Kherson, indicating an axis of attack. Independently, Russia claims significant ground progress; Ukraine counters with claims of selective advances by Russia and a favorable propaganda edge for Ukraine. The battlefield metrics show Russia increasing manpower and maintaining multiple axes of attack, with eight or more fronts, while Ukrainian recoveries of bodies show a ratio suggesting heavy Ukrainian losses. Speaker 0: The conversation ends with expectations for retaliation, possible new European involvement, and the enduring fear that negotiations remain unsettled. The next days could reveal more about who is behind the attack, how Russia responds, and whether a path to peace remains possible, given the conflicting narratives and competing strategic interests.

"Peace in Ukraine is possible now." "The war started eleven years ago when The United States backed a violent coup to overthrow the Ukrainian government of president Viktor Yanukovych." "Why did The United States want NATO enlargement? Because The United States wanted to dominate Russia." "It was based on autonomy for Eastern Ukraine, the ethnically Russian part of Ukraine." "The United States and Germany ignored the treaty." "Do not accept neutrality. Fight on." "The Ukraine war can end now based on neutrality of Ukraine. Just say it. Neutrality." "Diplomacy where Europe and Russia sit down and undertake collective security, recognizing that Russia does not want NATO or NATO troops on its border, and Russia recognizing that Europe does not want Russian troops in Ukraine."

This is not about arguing who is right or wrong, who started it or who didn't. The problem here is not a war. It's genocide, which has already killed nearly two thousand children who have nothing to do with this war. They are victims of this war. And honestly, I don't know how a human being can wage war knowing that the result is the death of innocent children.

Speaker 0 says the other side hates Putin and "I could be tougher than any human being you've ever seen. I'd be so tough, but you're never gonna get a deal that way," adding he's aligned with Europe and wants a deal. Speaker 1 argues four years of tough talk didn't stop Putin and "the path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe engaging in diplomacy." Speaker 2 recalls 2014, when "he occupied it" in Ukraine, says "we signed ceasefire... We signed the exchange of prisoners, but he didn't do it," and that Putin broke the ceasefire and killed people. The dialogue covers diplomacy versus confrontation, conscription, and Western aid: "We gave you the javelins" and "Obama gave you sheets." They discuss a ceasefire and warn against gambling with "World War three," noting "without us, you don't have the cards."

The Ukrainian military is accused of terrorizing civilians by using artillery fire in residential areas. The speaker believes that Europe cannot tolerate this and compares it to Moscow's responsibility for the actions of a brutal military. European governments are also held accountable for the ruthless killings of a government they helped bring to power. The speaker calls for a clear message to the leaders in Kiev to end the terror against civilians and immediately stop shelling residential areas. If not, Europe will be complicit, and the civilian casualties in the battles of Donetsk and Luhansk will also be Europe's responsibility. The news segment begins.

Russia occupied parts of Ukraine starting in 2014, and despite conversations and agreements, nothing stopped them. We signed ceasefire deals with Macron and Merkel, but Russia broke them, killing our people and not exchanging prisoners. I question what kind of diplomacy is being discussed when our country faces destruction. Everyone faces problems during war, but it seems like some don't fully grasp the situation. From the beginning, we've been strong and thankful, even when alone. However, we are told that we're not winning and should be more appreciative of the aid we've received. We want to stop the war, and if a ceasefire could be reached with guarantees, it would save lives.

Speaker 1 argues that 'this will be a peace agreement, not a ceasefire,' forcing the U.S., Russia, and Europe to define peace beyond a halt. He says the war reflects 'an unnecessary set of provocations from the West, not the unprovoked war of aggression by Russia.' He favors Ukraine's security through neutrality, insisting 'Ukraine's real security is neutrality' and 'Neutrality is desirable.' He envisions a monitored security arrangement via the UN Security Council, with 'Russia is one of the guarantors of peace because it's got security interests that need to be respected alongside Ukraine.' He notes 'there was no treaty to end World War II' and that 'promises unfulfilled by the West of no NATO enlargement.' He criticizes Western leadership as 'a gang of the rankest amateurs' and laments 'the Russophobia is rampant and wild' in Europe, urging renewed collective security discussions.

There are different nations, and European nations are clearly divided. Some want to continue the war while others want to participate in peace negotiations. I am among the political leaders who do not wish to continue the war because war is a tragedy. What has been happening in Ukraine for three years is a true human massacre. We shouldn't forget that young men are dying, families are decimated, and Ukrainians have fled their country, probably never to return. We cannot simply write this off. We must work for peace at all costs.

The speaker discusses the danger of stopping military aid to Ukraine and the potential consequences of Russia advancing towards the capital. They mention that if Ukraine falls, it would be the end of the Europe we know, and EU membership for Ukraine would be delayed. The speaker acknowledges that their proposed solution is not ideal, but emphasizes the need to stop the war and prevent Putin from winning. They draw parallels to historical examples like Germany after World War II and express a desire for Ukraine to join NATO. The speaker acknowledges that their views may not be popular but believes it is important to speak out. They also express concern about the upcoming US presidential elections and the potential impact on global democracy and NATO.

The transcript alleges that there are preparations to fly Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and much of his inner circle to Israel, where they would have immunity against extradition for criminal proceedings, and that this is what they would need after completing duties in Ukraine. The speaker asserts that Zelensky and his circle are “on … one foot right now in Ukraine and the other foot really in the door of the aircraft to fly them out.” The claim is made that people do not realize how weak and fragile the Ukrainian government is. Additionally, the speaker reports receiving information from Eastern Europe about people coming out of basements and homes in Prokhorst (Prokhorovka? Prokhorst is presented as a location), telling the Russians, “thank god. Let’s get this over with,” and expressing a wish for the war to end. The transcript notes that, according to the speaker, those in Eastern Ukraine and much of the population in the West desperately want an end to the war, and they realize it will only end with one outcome: “the elimination of Zelenskyy and his regime.” The statements imply a belief that increasing numbers of people are regretting the continuation of the conflict and favor a conclusion that involves removing Zelenskyy and his government.

I oppose the escalation of war and advocate for peace in Europe, including Ukraine and Russia. Some here claim the Ukrainian regime represents our values, but this is misguided. The current government in Kyiv is linked to a history of genocide, specifically the Nazi-affiliated Bandera movement. The symbols and rhetoric used by Ukrainian soldiers reflect this troubling legacy. It's important to recognize these connections rather than blindly support the narrative being presented.

Over 7,700 Palestinian children have been killed by Israel, while the situation in Ukraine was unfolding. Some people now defend Israel, but I won't respond because our difference is not political, it's about humanity. Those who support Israel either don't hear what Israeli leaders themselves say, that this is a war against the entire population in Gaza, or they simply applaud the expulsion of two million Gazans. The European Union is also complicit, as it continues to provide weapons to Israel, which will inevitably kill innocent people in Gaza. We must put an end to this complicity. (French to English translation)

Targeted attacks on civilian infrastructure, aimed at depriving people of basic necessities like water, electricity, and heating, are acts of pure terror. We must acknowledge this and stand firm. We will support Ukraine for as long as necessary and safeguard Europeans from Putin's energy war.