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Elon endorsed the speaker and campaigned for them. The speaker believes they would have won Pennsylvania easily, even if the "real governor" or Shapiro had run. The speaker is disappointed because Elon, who initially knew the bill's inner workings and had no problem with it, suddenly developed a problem when he learned about the EV mandate cut. This cut would save billions of dollars but is considered unfair. The speaker wants cars of all types, including electric, gasoline, combustion, and hybrids, and wants to be able to sell everything. Elon became "different" when Congress wanted to cut the EV mandate, which the speaker understands. Elon knew every aspect of the bill better than almost anybody.

Speaker 0 suggests Speaker 1 is aligned with President Trump and has identified over $100 billion in government waste, fraud, and abuse. Speaker 1 responds that people whose fraudulent money is taken away get upset and want to harm him and Tesla because he is stopping government corruption. He attributes this to "bad people" doing "bad things." Speaker 0 expresses concern that those hurt by these actions will be dealership employees and Tesla factory workers, which he finds despicable due to perceived political differences.

Speaker 0 asks Elon Musk why he shares controversial tweets, like the one about George Soros. Musk defends his freedom of speech but acknowledges that it puts him in the middle of the partisan divide and makes him a target for criticism. Speaker 0 wonders if Musk's tweets hurt Tesla's reputation or alienate customers and advertisers. Musk responds by saying he doesn't care about the consequences and will continue to speak his mind, even if it means losing money. The conversation ends with Speaker 0 saying "Stein."

The speaker expresses disappointment in Elon, claiming Elon knew the details of a bill "better than almost anybody" and initially had no problem with it. The speaker suggests Elon's problem arose when the EV mandate was cut, costing billions. The speaker wants various car types available, including electric, gasoline combustion, and hybrids. The speaker claims Elon made positive statements about them previously. The speaker states they helped Elon a lot. A second speaker asks if Elon raised concerns privately before making them public.

**Speaker 0:** Why is Elon Musk criticized while George Soros, who influences government decisions and backs progressive prosecutors, is not? Is this hypocrisy? **Speaker 1:** Absolutely. Elon's actions are heroic. He's bringing transparency to the federal government and the "deep state." I told him that his work can restore the original intent of the Constitution. Congress has struggled to oversee the bureaucracy because it has not been provided key information. Now, Elon is revealing things we suspected but couldn't prove. This is revolutionary and will restore the government to its intended form. That's why big government advocates are afraid; it's exciting for the people. **Speaker 0:** If you love the country and the Constitution, you are supporting this effort. Thank you. **Speaker 1:** Thanks. Great to be here.

The speaker believes they would have easily won Pennsylvania, and is disappointed in Elon, who initially endorsed them and knew the details of a bill. Elon only developed a problem with the bill when the EV mandate was cut due to its high cost. The speaker wants cars of all types to be available, including electric, gasoline combustion, and hybrids. Elon knew every aspect of the bill and initially had no problem with it. The speaker helped Elon a lot. The speaker clarifies that Elon did not raise concerns privately before going public. The speaker believes Elon misses being in the Oval Office and that people who leave the administration sometimes become hostile due to "Trump derangement syndrome" or missing the glamour.

The speaker says he has always liked Elon Musk and is surprised by Musk's criticism regarding the bill. He would rather Musk criticize him than the bill because the bill is incredible, with $1.6 trillion in cuts, the biggest tax cut in history. The bill includes unbelievable benefits for small businesses, people, and middle-income individuals. Musk is upset because the EV mandate, which provided a lot of money for electric vehicles, was removed. Electric vehicle companies are having a hard time and want billions of dollars in subsidies. The speaker claims Musk knew about this from the beginning, and it hasn't changed.

Speaker 0 criticizes Elon Musk, calling him a damaged individual and the dumbest smart person in the world. Speaker 1 agrees, mentioning other dumb smart people like Rupert Murdoch. Speaker 0 accuses Musk of not caring about the First Amendment, democracy, or the freedom to vote. They question if Musk has ever shown support for American values.

Democrats may have alienated Elon Musk on a personal level by failing to celebrate his achievements, such as Starlink and private space endeavors. One speaker believes Democrats should have celebrated Musk's contributions to electric vehicles, even though he opposed unionization. Musk was reportedly offended when he wasn't invited to an EV summit. One speaker called the White House to inquire, and was told the union issue was likely the reason for the snub. The speaker felt he deserved credit and should have been invited. One speaker thinks Musk should stay off Twitter, but also notes that he was once an Obama supporter. Democrats should remember their history of celebrating innovation and entrepreneurship.

Speaker 0 states they will be back before long, so others should not make plans without them. Speaker 1 expresses the utmost respect for Elon Musk and admiration for President Donald Trump. They appreciate both men and are thankful for what they do for human spaceflight and the nation, as well as for holding their respective positions.

Elon endorsed me and campaigned for me, and I would have easily won Pennsylvania, even against Shapiro. Elon knew the bill's inner workings better than anyone and initially had no problem with it. His problem arose when the EV mandate was cut due to its cost. I want cars of all types, including electric, gasoline combustion, and hybrids. Elon knew every aspect of the bill and only developed a problem after the cut. He previously said beautiful things about me. I'm disappointed in Elon, as I've helped him a lot. He worked hard and did a good job, but I think he misses the Oval Office. People leave my administration and initially love us, but then they miss it and sometimes become hostile. It's like Trump derangement syndrome. They wake up and the glamour is gone, and they become hostile.

The speaker expresses disappointment in Elon, stating that Elon previously said "the most beautiful things" about them. The speaker claims to have helped Elon and asserts that Elon was very knowledgeable about the details of a particular bill and initially had no issues with it. According to the speaker, Elon's opposition arose only when he learned about the planned reduction of the EV mandate, which the speaker says involves billions of dollars. The speaker states the desire to have cars of all types.

The speaker claims a previously "great relationship" with Elon has soured due to disagreements over the "great big beautiful bill." He asserts the bill, featuring the "biggest tax cuts in history," will generate a surplus if tariff revenue is included, citing a minimum of $2.8 trillion over ten years, even according to the "Democrat"-run CBO. He touts low inflation (around 2%) and falling gasoline and grocery prices (specifically eggs), attributing past high inflation to the Biden administration's energy policies. The border is now "the best in the history of our country," with only a few legal entrants recently. The speaker expresses disappointment in Elon's changed stance on the bill, suggesting it stemmed from cuts to the EV mandate, which Elon previously understood and supported. He speculates that people who leave his administration often become "hostile" due to missing the "glamour" and "beautiful Oval Office."

Speaker 0 states that rhetoric makes politicians less than human. Speaker 1 believes Democrats lost Elon Musk because they didn't celebrate his contributions to electric vehicles, Starlink, and private space endeavors, even though he was against unionization. Speaker 2 says he received a call from Musk about not being invited to an EV summit and called the White House to ask why. He felt Musk should have been invited and that the union issue was the reason for the snub. Speaker 1 agrees he deserved credit. Speaker 1 thinks Musk should stay off Twitter and not make jokes about the Vice President. Speaker 1 says Democrats should remember that Musk supported Obama and that the Democratic party should be about innovation and entrepreneurship.

The speaker was asked if they would get rid of the Tesla and Starlink service at the White House. The speaker responded no, stating they may move the Tesla around a little bit, but that Starlink is a good service. When asked where they would move the Tesla, the speaker said they have a lot of locations. The speaker was then asked if they ever saw Elon Musk get physical with the treasury secretary. The speaker responded no, stating they had an argument, but didn't see any physicality. The speaker was then asked about a New York Times report alleging that Elon Musk was blurring the lines between recreational use of drugs and medicinal use towards the end of his time in the White House, and whether the speaker thought Musk ever had drugs at the White House. The speaker responded that they didn't know, and hoped not, wishing Musk well and stating they had a good relationship.

The speaker asks Elon if he would consider stopping financial aid to countries like Israel and Ukraine, and ending funding for "forever wars" that supposedly benefit the "deep state." Elon responds that government waste is staggering. He states that any expenditure should benefit American citizens, because the money being spent is the public's money. He adds that politicians often forget this, and that spending should be beneficial to the American people.

The speaker claims to have had a great relationship with Elon, but is now disappointed. He believes Elon only developed a problem with the "great big beautiful bill" after the EV mandate was cut, which Elon knew about and initially supported. The speaker says the CBO, which is run by Democrats, projects a $2.8 trillion surplus over ten years if tariff revenue is included. He touts low inflation, down to 2%, and falling grocery and gasoline prices. He also claims the U.S. now has the best border in history with a 99.99% success rate. He speculates that people who leave his administration miss the "glamour" and become hostile, possibly due to "Trump derangement syndrome." He suggests that Elon may be experiencing something similar.

Elon and the speaker had a great relationship, though the current status is uncertain. The speaker recalls a wonderful send-off where Elon said very nice and the "best" things. Elon wore the hat. The speaker believes Trump was right about everything. The speaker also believes they are right about the "great big beautiful bill," which they describe as the biggest tax cuts in history and the biggest economic development moves anywhere. They claim nothing like it has ever been done before.

The speaker credits the president for allowing Elon to bring in a team of young geniuses to analyze departments and cut spending. They reportedly identified $160 billion in potential annual administrative cuts. However, congressional approval is needed to implement these cuts. The speaker acknowledges that some Republicans are not in favor of the level of austerity required to enact these cuts.

Speaker 0 states they will be back before long, advising against making plans without them. Speaker 1 expresses the utmost respect for Elon Musk and admiration for President Donald Trump. They appreciate both individuals and their contributions to human spaceflight and the nation, and are thankful for their leadership roles.

Mister President, what do you think about the Democrats' criticism of the staff reductions by Elon Musk and Doge, claiming it's an unlawful power grab? Have you restricted Musk in any way? We haven't discussed much. He has a capable team that knows what they're doing. They ask questions and can quickly identify issues. I've directed him to explore areas like education and military, where they're uncovering significant fraud and waste. I identify targets for investigation, and while there may be areas we won't touch, I believe everything is worth examining. As a government, we need to be transparent, and I'm willing to take action if necessary.

The speaker asks if Elon Musk starting a new political party worries the Trump administration. The secretary responds that the principles of Doge were very popular, but Elon Musk was not, according to polling. He believes the boards of directors at Musk's companies want him to run those companies, as he is better at that than anything else. The secretary imagines the boards of directors did not like the announcement and will encourage Musk to focus on business activities, not political activities.

Mister President, what do you think about the Democrats' criticism regarding staff reductions by Elon Musk and Doge, claiming it's an unlawful power grab? Have you instructed Musk on what he cannot do? We haven't discussed specifics much. Musk has a capable team that knows what they're doing. They ask questions and can identify issues quickly. I've directed him to explore areas like education and military, where they've uncovered significant fraud and waste. While I may target specific areas, I believe there are many opportunities for improvement. As a government, we must remain open and transparent. If necessary, I can step in personally.

The speaker credits the president for allowing Elon to bring in a team of young geniuses to analyze departments and cut spending. They reportedly identified $160 billion a year in administrative cuts. However, these cuts require congressional approval. The speaker acknowledges that some Republicans are soft on spending, making it difficult to achieve the desired austerity and cuts.

Governor Waltz stated he frequently checks Tesla stock to give himself a boost during the day. One speaker questioned how Americans should view politicians who take pride in the downfall of an American car company. Another speaker responded that Governor Waltz is living a sad existence after his devastating defeat on November 5.