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One speaker recounts that he did not like Bibi Netanyahu, describing Netanyahu as a destructive force and saying he was appalled by what was happening in Gaza, and that Netanyahu was using the United States to prosecute wars for the benefit of his country, which he called shameful and embarrassing and bad for the United States, a view he resented. He also notes that he didn’t hate Netanyahu. After that speech, there was a sharp backlash against Charlie Kirk and, to a lesser extent, the speaker, with Kirk having about $100 million in donors and being heavily dependent on them because his project was nonprofit. They went after him and tormented him, while a small, very intense group offended by the speech tormented Charlie Kirk until the day he died.

Speaker 0 recalls watching Charlie Kirk’s memorial in Malaysia and an “extremely coordinated onslaught” by high-level actors who claimed the passage was “not just offensive, but was one of the worst blood libels ever uttered in a public setting since World War two” and that it “intended to imply that Israel was behind the killing of Charlie Kirk.” Speaker 1 frames the passage as the Christian gospel: “Ultimately, he was a Christian evangelist” who “tells the truth about the people in power” and that “they hate it and they become obsessed with making him stop”—“they end up torturing him to death to kill him, and then... it becomes the world's biggest religion.” He says he did not intend to attack Jews, criticizes antisemitism and Zionism for seeing everything as about Jews, calling that attitude “sick” and “bad for this country,” and urges treating Israel as a country with overlapping interests. He cites ADL pressure and stresses repentance in the Christian message.

Speaker 0 delivers a heartfelt apology and clarification surrounding a controversial statement. He begins by admitting regret for saying that he “despise[d] Christian Zionists,” explaining that the remark came from anger and informing listeners that he does not actually despise Christian Zionists, whom he then describes as among the nicest and most trustworthy people in various respects. He emphasizes that his anger was aimed at a particular line of thinking, not at individuals who identify as Christian Zionists. He specifies the core issue that provoked his comments: on at least a couple of occasions, the Israeli government bombed churches in Gaza and killed Christians. He asserts that these bombings were not accidents and notes that Israel is a high-tech military force capable of precision, to the extent that he mentions they gave pagers with bombs to Hezbollah. He states that “they didn’t accidentally bomb two churches and kill these Christians, and they never apologized for it.” In discussing responses to this grievance, he says he raised the issue with a couple of Christian leaders, including the Speaker of the House, asking how their government could be paying to bomb churches and, by extension, paying for it. He recounts the consistent reaction he received: “the Bible commands us to support Israel.” He recounts a critical question: “And I said, so Jesus is telling us that we need to get on board with murdering Christians. Is that what you’re saying?” He characterizes the response as essentially silencing him, stating that they “basically were just like, shut up,” which he found deeply distressing as a Christian. He clarifies the main point he intended to convey: one cannot support the murder of innocents, regardless of the pretext, and such an act is not allowed in his religion. He asserts that there is no justification for murder of innocents in the New Testament, and that if there were, it would not represent his religion at all. He reiterates his distress and emphasizes that he does not hate and should not have used the term “despise,” clarifying that the statement was about a specific line of thinking, not about the individuals. He concludes with a sincere apology for not being clearer in his original expression.

I was shocked and sickened by the reaction of the ghoulish and really repulsive reaction of the prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, to Charlie's death. He basically made it all about him and redirected the grief toward support for his project. "Benjamin Netanyahu is not the same as the nation of Israel at all." "BB's defenders, on the Internet will call me a liar or a kook, but that's a fact." "what he said was completely untrue." "Charlie didn't hate Jews. He loved Jews. He loved the state of Israel. He loved going there." "He did not like Bibi Netanyahu, and he said that to me many times." "He felt that Bibi Netanyahu was a very destructive force." "He was resentful that he believed Netanyahu was using The United States to prosecute his wars for the benefit of his country." "Shortly after that speech, there was a very intense attack on Charlie; he had $100,000,000 worth of donors." "Two days before he died, he lost a $2,000,000 donation because he had publicly pledged to bring me to the next Turning Point Conference in December." "They put out a flyer basically saying that I was going to be at this event giving a speech."

Speaker 0 describes repeated harassment: spitting in front of and behind him, spitting at him, saying bad words about Jesus, throwing stones through their windows, hate graffiti, and frequent death threats to Christians. He emphasizes that this was not a singular experience—“it happened again and again.” Speaker 1 argues that religious leaders must educate people toward tolerance, and that the government through the police must do their job to grant all citizens the right to live safely and in peace. Speaker 0 adds that he expects more from official Israel, and wants a very clear stance from official Israel, from the police, and from security, stating, “we have a problem. And this problem is called Christian hate from Jewish extremists. We have to face that problem.”

Goebbels, the Nazi propaganda minister, said that the bigger the lie, the faster it will spread. Well, somebody has fabricated a monstrous big lie that Israel had something to do with Charlie Kirk's horrific murder. This is insane. It is false. It is outrageous. Charlie Kirk was a giant, a once in a century talent who defended freedom, America, and our Judeo Christian civilization. Charlie loved Israel and the Jewish people. He told me so in a letter he sent me a few months ago. One of my joys as a Christian, he wrote, is advocating for Israel and forming alliances with Jews to protect Judeo Christian civilization. He encouraged me to explain to Americans how vital Israel is to U. S. National security. He told me, The Holy Land is so important to my life, it pains me to see support for Israel slip away. A few weeks before his death, I spoke to Charlie and invited him to visit Israel again, sadly, that won't happen. Now some are peddling these rumors, perhaps out of obsession, perhaps with Qatari funding. Charlie Kirk was a great man, and a great man deserves honor, not lies. Rest in peace, Charlie Kirk. May your memory be a blessing.

I was shocked and sickened by the ghoulish and really repulsive reaction of the prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, to Charlie's death, basically made it all about him and his country, redirecting the grief toward support for his projects. Charlie Kirk did not hate Jews. "Charlie didn't hate Jews. He loved Jews." He did not like Bibi Netanyahu, and he felt that B. Netanyahu was a very destructive force; "he was above all resentful that he believed Netanyahu was using The United States to prosecute his wars for the benefit of his country, and that it was shameful and embarrassing and bad for The United States, and he resented it." After that speech, there was an intense attack on Charlie; "He had $100,000,000 worth of donors." Two days before he died, he lost a $2,000,000 donation because he had publicly pledged to bring me to the next Turning Point conference in December. The American Jewish Committee called Charlie Kirk an anti Semite and "dangerous." He was not an anti Semite. He was the opposite, and he was a great lover of people and a purveyor of peace. Seth Dillon of the Babylon Bee was out there demanding that Charlie Kirk take me off the roster, pull me off stage, because I had said things that BB didn't like or that he didn't like or whatever. This is a trend.

It's strange that many Christian conservatives/nationalists are anti-Israel, given Israel's importance to both Jews and Christians, especially concerning Jesus's Jewish heritage and biblical history. Organized tours to Israel often have more Christians than Jews. All Jewish and Christian people should care about preserving Israel to preserve biblical history. Christian history is tied to Jewish history; Christianity wouldn't exist without Judaism. God's covenant with Abraham remains with Israel and the Jewish people. Israel fights America's battles by pushing back radical Islamic jihadism. Judeo-Christian values connect Christianity, the Jewish people, Israel, and the United States. The threat in America is real; if pro-Israel events aren't safe in Texas, nowhere in America is safe for Jews or Christians who support Israel.

To restore balance between the United States and Israel, the speaker says we must get our theology right. This is not a message aimed at Israelis or Jews; it targets Christians, the largest group of Israel supporters in the United States. He calls the belief that God favors some people by DNA 'the oldest of the Christian heresies' and says, 'The chosen people are people who choose Jesus.' He declares, 'That is not Christianity. It is heresy.' He warns that if America pulls the plug on Israel, god will pull the plug on us, and, 'God will kill you if you don't support Bibi Netanyahu.' He argues that 'The Christian message is universal' and that, 'If you find anyone leveraging the message of Jesus to justify the killing of innocents, that person is committing heresy.'

This is a worldwide problem. The extremes—the Islamists, the radical Islamists, and their union with the ultra progressives—often speak about human rights. They speak about free speech, but they use violence to try to take down their enemies, whether it's president Tribe who's been almost assassinated twice or they try to kill me here too. But they got Charlie Kirk, and it's just heartbreaking.

This right there behind me is a mural in honor of Charlie Kirk. This could be the first mural in his honor in the world, and it's here in Israel. This is how much he meant to us because he was a champion of the Judeo Christian alliance, he was a staunch friend of Israel, and we will never forget those that stand for the truth. So we honor his memory, and from here we vow to stand together for the truth because we are under attack, not just in Israel, but globally. The truth is under attack. Let's stand together and let Charlie Kirk's legacy live on.

The speaker argues about freedom of speech in Israel and the United States, mentioning that preaching about Yeshua is allowed in certain areas. They also mention that according to the Torah, killing Christians is considered godly. The speaker believes that Christians are idol worshippers and that discrimination against Christianity is justified.

Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi propaganda minister, said that the bigger the lie, the faster it will spread. Well, somebody has fabricated a monstrous big lie that Israel had something to do with Charlie Kirk's horrific murder. This is insane. It is false. It is outrageous. Charlie Kirk was a giant, a once in a century talent who defended freedom, defended America, defended our common Judeo Christian civilization. Charlie loved Israel. He loved the Jewish people. He told me so in a letter that he sent me just a few months ago. One of my greatest joys as a Christian, he said, is advocating for Israel and forming alliances with Jews to protect Judeo Christian civilization. He encouraged me to make the case directly to the American people about how vital Israel is to US national security. He told me, The Holy Land is so important to my life, it pains me to see support for Israel slip away. Now some are peddling these disgusting rumors, perhaps out of obsession, Perhaps with Qatari funding? What I do know is this: Charlie Kirk was a great man, and a great man deserves honor, not lies. Rest in peace, Charlie Kirk. May your memory be a blessing.

I am tired of the word genocide. If Israel wanted to commit genocide, they could. They have the capability to do that. They choose not to. Hamas, they would commit genocide in thirty seconds. They just can't. Israel is our friend. They're a democracy surrounded by people who would cut their throats if they could. A word of warning, if America pulls the plug on Israel, God will pull the plug on us. October 7 was an effort to destroy the state of Israel, the largest loss of Jewish life since the holocaust, and here we are almost two years later and Israel's the bad guy. That's ridiculous. Israel is not the bad guy. They're the good guy. The bad guys are the radical Islamists who would kill everybody in this room if they could. When it comes to foreign policy, president Trump has stood up for all the right things, and he stood up against wrong things just like Reagan.

Speaker argues that 'you and the Likud party are cut from the same ideological cloth as Trump and the GOP in America.' They reference 'Charlie Kirk's assassination, who was a big mentor of mine' and say 'Evangelicals, from all my research, evangelicals are the reason that Israel has been supported in public sphere outside of just Jews.' They note 'So with Charlie's assassination and with the kind of trajectory that we see with, like, Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson.' They ask 'what's another game plan if we lose evangelical support for the state of Israel.' 'What's our backup plan to be strong, like outside of the diaspora?'

Speaker 0: So something I would like to raise, which was actually my first published paper, was how you and the Likud party are cut from the same ideological cloth as Trump and the GOP in America. And so specifically with Charlie Kirk's assassination, who was a big mentor of mine, he's my first mentor in the space. Evangelicals, from all my research, evangelicals are the reason that Israel has been supported in public sphere outside of just Jews. So with Charlie's assassination and with the kind of trajectory that we see with, like, Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson. I guess I'm curious about what's another game plan if we lose evangelical support for the state of Israel. What's our backup plan to be strong, like, outside of the diaspora? Thank you.

Over the past year and a half I became closer to Charlie Kirk, joining a group chat he called his 'brain trust.' We discussed Israel, Jewish–Christian relations, antisemitism. He was an adamant opponent of antisemitism. Campus talks exposed him to questions, including about the Talmud, and he provided 'very good answers'—'better answers than probably 98% of Jews probably could offer there.' We strategized to turn back the tide against rising antisemitism and anti-Israel sentiment. Charlie said roughly half, 50% of the questions that he got asked were all on Israel, Jews. He organized a Zoom call the night before Utah Valley University event, the first stop of a tour, with me, Pesach Willicki, producers, and one Christian pastor. The fact that he was seeking our counsel... calls into question this narrative that he was getting ready to renounce his lifelong support for the Jewish people, for the state of Israel.

So first of all, I have to ask you, how did we reach a situation that prime minister Netanyahu needs to clarify today that Israel was not involved in the assassination of Charlie Kirk? Because there are some people in The United States that have lost their minds. This is a blood libel. It's absolutely disgusting and, vicious. The level of untruth is such that it's hard even to think that you have to defend it, that you have to repudiate it. But there are people who will believe the most outrageous lies, and I guess we should learn from history that this is not something new. Where does this stop? And it's really, really disgusting, but I'm very glad the prime minister addressed it. Charlie Kirk was a true friend of Israel. True friend of mine. I've known Charlie since he was 19. A brilliant, brilliant young man.

Charlie Kirk's perspective on Israel was not starting to shift. It had shifted entirely. Israel knew that. Turning Point USA knew that because Charlie was explicit. He wrote of his deep love for Israel. About forty eight hours before Charlie Kirk died, Charlie informed people at Turning Point, as well as Jewish donors and a rabbi that he had no choice but to abandon the pro Israel cause outright. Charlie was done. He said it explicitly that he refused to be bullied anymore by the Jewish donors. Did he express that? Did he also express that he wanted to bring me, Candace Owens, back because he was standing up for himself? And then did he, just forty eight hours later, conveniently catch a bullet to the throat before our on stage reunion could happen?

Speaker 0 argues that for years the radical left have compared Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world’s worst mass murderers, and that this rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism seen in the country today and must stop right now. Speaker 1 and Speaker 2 describe the unfolding World Trade Center attacks. They say they cannot confirm that a plane hit one of the two towers, but live pictures are showing events. They report seeing another plane and state, “We just saw another one apparently go” and “into the 2nd Tower,” suggesting the second plane’s impact and calling it deliberate. They note, “Now given what has been going on around the world, some of the key suspects come to mind, Osama bin Laden. Who knows who knows what?” Speaker 3 and Speaker 4 respond to the crisis, with one expressing concern about the attackers and implying a confrontation with the culprits. Speaker 4 adds, “But he said, you can you can come and debate me. He invited that debate. He certainly didn't invite the violence,” and comments on the global nature of the problem, identifying “the people on the extremes, the Islamists, the radical Islamists, and their union with the ultra progressives.” They state that these groups “often speak about human rights. They speak about free speech, but they use violence to try to take down their enemies.” Speaker 5 reiterates a personal, contextual stance with the line, “I'm Israeli. And I …” (implying a personal perspective on the conflict). The dialogue collectively frames the incident as a large-scale terrorist attack and discusses the broader ideological landscape, contrasting claims of human rights and free speech with the use of violence by extreme groups.

On a Zoom call the night before his death, I was giving Charlie advice for how to message on this issue on his forthcoming campus tour, and he joked, “Josh, I'm gonna mention your book, Israel and civilization, and it's so good.” He referenced a letter to Netanyahu read in June or July; the opening sentence is, “As a Christian, one of my greatest joys in life is making friendships with the Jewish people and defending the state of Israel.” After his death, critics claimed he was turning on Israel, but that letter begins this way: “As a Christian… defending the state of Israel.” “Filth. Okay? Absolute filth. I I don't understand it.” “There was no truth in him.” He says three people claimed Charlie said within twenty four hours he thought they would kill him, and questions Josh Hammer about “the night before.” He warns: “if I get a text message… I will release it instantly. There'll be no place that you can hide.” He sent around a life insurance policy package with “text messages, emails, private communications, videos, and private legal documents.” He says, “If anything happens to me, … they have my explicit permission to release it all, detonate it all, expose all of these people in politics and in the movement who behave like this behind the scenes. It's necessary.” He cites Kanye: “Everything that Kanye said was so real. … Kanye was right” and urges to “leave me alone. Let me say what I believe, you say what you believe. Fight fair.”

Israeli leaders encouraged the pastors to be bold and express gratitude for their support. Stand up and be counted. Tell the truth. Speak to young people. Speak up and be counted. I'm counting on you, and I know you'll do what has to be done. That's what our destiny calls for. This is not just Israel's fight. This is a fight for civilization. We are facing very much a civilizational struggle like we saw in the thirties between Nazism and the free world. Today, that Nazism is Islamism in coordination with communism, which today's expression is called woke, but it's the same thing. Behind the scenes, Shira Mills of the Friends of Zion Museum helped make the summit possible. Never been done before. This is something very unique, very difficult, but here we are. From my point of view, it's miraculous. The vision going forward: recruiting 10,000 more pastors in the next thirty six months. Because there's a lot of misinformation out there, a lot of young people that are not for Israel, and they're just getting the wrong information. So our whole idea here is to reach the youth of America and around the world and just show the truth. With a thousand pastors gathered at such a critical moment for the nation of Israel, when antisemitism is rising in our nation and globally, this has been such a pivotal turning point. I believe we can turn the tide of antisemitism. A thousand pastors and leaders that didn't even know each other, and he called and we heard the word of the Lord. And this is a season to see antisemitism defeated and to see God's glory come to his chosen people.

Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi propaganda minister, said that the bigger the lie, the faster it will spread. Well, somebody has fabricated a monstrous big lie that Israel had something to do with Charlie Kirk's horrific murder. Charlie Kirk was a giant, a once in a century talent who defended freedom, defended America, defended our common Judeo Christian civilization. Charlie loved Israel. He loved the Jewish people. He told me so in a letter that he sent me just a few months ago. What I do know is this: Charlie Kirk was a great man, and a great man deserves honor, not lies. Rest in peace, Charlie Kirk. May your memory be a blessing.

We had our disagreements. Where we did agree is that he would go to these college campuses and proclaim the name of Jesus Christ. And ultimately, that is why he was killed. The gunmen that killed him, they hated him because of his defense of Christian morality. Charlie Kirk cannot call himself a Christian anymore. Sorry, you forfeited that. I do not wanna hear and you cannot allow Charlie Kirk to go to one more public event, one more question and answer, one more ask me anything without being protested, without being shouted down, without being interrogated about this. This guy goes around from campus to campus in the most artificial and phony and fake way talking about, oh, God, God made me very blessed that I control $500,000,000. And then you go around from campus to campus making excuses for a famine?

Speaker 0 describes the backlash: "The behavior by a lot, both privately and publicly, are pushing people like you and me away." He adds: "I am learning biblical Hebrew and writing a book on the Shabbat. I honor the Shabbat, literally the Jewish Sabbath. I visit Israel and fight for it." He asserts identity and support: "Yes. I'm an American citizen." "Yes. I want Israel to win." "But my moral character is now being put into question." He emphasizes the impact of online discourse: "Well, you and I believe that we're Americans and Americans first, period. End of story. We are citizens of this nation." He cites: "And the thing about Epstein is just so bizarre. I don't know who he was an agent for. It might have been Israel or an asset, or it might have been nobody, but we're allowed to speculate about that. It's like just some rule. You can't go there when it comes to Israel." He concludes with: "I love Israel."