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Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss a historic shift in American public opinion regarding the Israel-Palestine conflict. - Speaker 1 notes that public opinion on who voters sympathize with shifted dramatically in the wake of the current war. In October 2023, Americans favored Israel by 48 points; now, they favor the Palestinians by 1 point. He says he reviewed polls since the question began in the 1980s and that this is the first time Palestinians lead on this question, marking a historic shift away from the Israeli position toward the Palestinians. - He emphasizes that the shift was led by Democrats, moving from Democrats favoring Israel by 26 points to Palestinians by 46 points, describing it as a roughly 70-point swing and stating that, for the first time ever, more Americans sympathize with the Palestinians over the Israelis. - Speaker 0 adds that the shift is “a first that I have seen in my lifetime” and credits independent media and journalists reporting from Gaza for bringing images to social media, including images of civilians and alleged Israeli actions. He asserts that without on-the-ground reporting, people wouldn’t have seen certain images, asserts that journalists were killed by the IDF, and claims those images contributed to waking people up. - He contends that APAC is panicking, citing a new ad and a rebranding as “America first,” and argues Israel has lost the media war and the narrative, including some conservative and evangelical support (referencing Charlie Kirk’s base). - Speaker 1 details a parallel shift within the Republican Party, noting a significant age-based divide. Among Republicans over 50, they sympathize with Israel by 66 points; among those under 50, they sympathize with the Palestinians by 25 points. This creates about a 40-point gap, with younger Republicans leaning more toward the Palestinians than older Republicans. - Speaker 0 adds that Israel has hired pro-Israel influencers—paid about $7,000 per post—targeting the youth to reel back pro-Israel sentiment in the conservative youth vote. He notes these influencers were primarily young, implying a deliberate strategy to mobilize younger voters, while older voters are less in need of such outreach. - The speakers conclude that this combination of media exposure, shifts in party and demographic alignments, and targeted influencer campaigns constitutes a broad, historic realignment in American attitudes toward the conflict.

The speaker claims that opposition to Israeli policies is being labeled antisemitism, and free speech is threatened. They allege that the definition of antisemitism is being broadened, even to include parts of the Bible, and that the Trump administration is pushing this on college campuses. The speaker references a senate hearing on antisemitism where Rabbi Levi Shemtov called for hate speech laws, using rhetoric similar to Ibram X. Kendi's "anti-racist" stance. The speaker suggests that the Trump administration is now enacting policies similar to those they opposed during the BLM movement, but this time in the name of combating antisemitism, which the speaker believes is actually for the benefit of Israel. They feel Netanyahu is running the White House and that Trump is supporting Israel at the detriment to American freedom.

Speaker 0 argues that Israel, through its lobby, has manifested so much power over the United States Congress that the country is embroiled in wars they believe they should not be in. He states that whenever Israel is mentioned, someone claims you’re an anti-Semite, and he contends that policies in the Middle East have been one-sided and subjective, leading to many enemies and the importing of terrorists as a consequence. He asserts: “Israel through their lobby has manifested total power of the congress of the United,” and expresses a concern that taxpayers and the citizens of the United States should control their government, not a foreign entity. Speaker 1 challenges these assertions, saying: “You did. That’s not what you said. You said they’re controlling our foreign policy. They’re controlling our domestic policy.” He presses back, stating: “That quote, they are influencing and the sole control of influencing of our domestic policy is an absurdity. It sounds like you are a kook.” He explicitly disputes the idea that Israel controls the Congress and domestic policy. Speaker 0 clarifies, “I believe they control the senate and the house foreign affairs committee.” Speaker 1 repeats that claim as insane, prompting Speaker 0 to insist: “I’m not suggesting it. I served in congress for seven…,” implying a longer service and experience to support his concerns, though the sentence is cut off. The exchange centers on claims of disproportionate Israeli influence in U.S. federal policy, the objectivity of Middle East policy, and the contention that foreign lobbies, particularly related to Israel, have undue power over congressional decision-making, contrasted with direct rebuttals labeling such claims as irrational or insane.

The speaker states that the promise was to put America first, and believes there are still voices in the administration, such as J.D. Vance, Tulsi Gabbard, and RFK Junior, who could prevail. However, they were not persuasive in this case, but somebody was. The speaker claims that APAC, the Israeli lobby in congress, is very persuasive. The speaker observes that their colleagues' social media feeds all look the same, tweeting the same message about supporting Israel.

Speaker 0 argues that "Israel's our greatest ally. We should never ask anything of them." They echo: "Protecting Israel's most important thing. They're our only real ally." They question, "If they're our only real ally, why does Israel have a long history of transferring military technology, including American military technology to China? To China?" and ask, "Why is China running the Port Of Haifa, Israel's biggest port?" They claim "From Israel's perspective, we're not a close ally" and "The loyalty is not requited. It's one way." They say Netanyahu "has pushed it too far" and that "the governor of Israel, in particular, the prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, has pushed it too far." They add "I control Donald Trump. I control the United States Congress. I control The United States." They cite Trump on West Bank annexation: "No. I will not allow it. It's not gonna happen." and "I will not allow Israel to annex the West Bank." The speaker concludes "It's been enough. It's time to stop" and that "This is why Donald Trump has lost support over this Israel question."

Speaker 1 stated that the Congress of the United States is like an Israeli occupied territory because of the influence of the pro-Israel lobby, which is one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington. They believe that the automatic votes for aid to Israel may not always be in the national interest of the United States. Speaker 1 also mentioned that members of Congress often vote in favor of powerful lobbies because they cannot withstand the pressure. When asked why they singled out the pro-Israel lobby, Speaker 1 explained that it was in response to a specific question about Israeli aid.

The transcript presents a viewpoint asserting that a foreign government, Israel, operates a powerful influence in the United States through a political lobby called the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (APAC). The speakers claim that through this influence in Congress, Israel demands and secures nearly $5,000,000,000 each year. They assert that elected officials refrain from criticizing Israel because they fear being accused of antisemitism, which they describe as the “kiss of death” for any politician. The speakers contend that the president also understands what Israel wants, and that to act otherwise would be political suicide. They argue that the mass media—described as founded and controlled primarily by Jews—shapes the information that the American Heartland consumes, promoting the message that criticizing Israel equates to antisemitism. Additionally, the speakers warn people to “be safe,” keep their heads down, or risk becoming targets, referencing a “Zionist shooting gallery.” They imply that this political dynamic compels officials and the president to align with Israel’s preferences, effectively limiting serious criticism, calls to end aid to Israel, or protests against what they attribute to “Zionist control of Congress.” The second speaker reinforces the claim by stating that the president and elected officials are “slaves to political correctness when it comes to Jews and Israel,” and that they cannot seriously criticize Israel, particularly as the source of Middle East strike and terrorism. They assert an inability to propose ending aid to Israel or to protest Zionist influence over Congress. In summary, the transcript communicates a perspective that there is a powerful, covertly manipulating influence attributed to Israel and its lobby within American politics. It emphasizes monetary leverage (nearly $5 billion in annual aid), reputational risk for critics (antisemitism accusations as the “kiss of death”), control over political discourse through media, and punitive consequences for those who dissent. The speakers frame this dynamic as pervasive, unchallengeable, and dangerous to open political debate about U.S. policy toward Israel.

Israel's control over American politics is highlighted, with claims of buying Congress, the presidency, and the media. The speaker criticizes the American media for not condemning Israel's actions, accusing them of being owned by Israel. Benjamin Netanyahu is labeled as the world's most evil man, and Americans are urged to reflect on their country's actions. The speaker expresses disappointment in America's current state.

Speaker 0: Speaker 0 says that the blessing passage being cited is “not what Genesis says,” asserting instead that “it says, I will bless those who bless Abraham,” and that the person referencing it “couldn't even quote the passage properly.” Speaker 0 argues that the authority used to justify a required action is unreliable, describing it as “preposterous” that someone would misquote scripture while claiming it instructs what to do. Speaker 1: Speaker 1 says the “effect” is to “distort American politics” and references the “Russia hysteria of the last administration,” arguing it was wrong and illegal for a foreign government to control American politics. Speaker 1 contrasts that prior agreement with what they describe as current reality, stating that the focus of the national conversation is “this tiny, totally irrelevant little country” with “one great city, Jerusalem,” which Speaker 1 describes as geopolitically irrelevant yet “at the behest of a foreign government.” Speaker 1 claims a foreign leader is “openly saying, you don't agree with us? We're gonna censor you,” and asks how that “can stand.” Speaker 1 further claims that foreign calls for censorship of American citizens are supported by “all those little satellite groups,” naming the ADL and APAC, and that “the congress obeys.” Speaker 1 concludes that this situation “seems to me that's gotta be a red line.”

The speaker expresses concern about the control that Israel has over the US government, both in terms of foreign and domestic policy. They mention that members of Congress often consider Israel's opinion when making important decisions. They also claim that Israel influences the media, commerce, and both houses of Congress. The speaker believes that this control will ultimately harm Israel. They emphasize that criticizing Israel does not make someone anti-Semitic. The speaker further criticizes the current state of America, where talk show hosts, despite their differing ideologies, all align on the issue of Israel due to its influence over the government, media, and finances.

Israel's control over American politics is highlighted, with claims of buying Congress, the presidency, and the media. The speaker criticizes the American media for staying silent on Israel's actions, accusing them of allowing genocide. Benjamin Netanyahu is labeled as evil, with America being portrayed as sacrificing itself for Israel. The speaker expresses disappointment in America's current state and calls for reflection on its values.

Speaker 0: "Israel operates the most powerful lobby in congress" (APAC), and "through control of congress, Israel demands and gets nearly $5,000,000,000 annually." It claims "No elected official dares criticize Israel" for fear "the Jewish lobby will accuse him of antisemitism, the kiss of death for any politician," and that "the president also knows what Israel wants, Israel gets." It states "The mass media founded and controlled primarily by Jews manipulates the spigot of information out of which Heartland America drinks" and that "if you criticize Israel, you are antisemitic." "Keep your head down, or you are fair game for being knocked off by the Zionist shooting gallery." Speaker 1: "our president and elected officials are slaves to political correctness when it comes to Jews and Israel." They "cannot seriously criticize Israel," cannot end aid to Israel, and "cannot even protest Zionist control of congress."

The speaker believes 95-99% of Congress should be tried for treason for allowing Israel and its money to control everything in the United States. They claim the U.S. does not have control over itself because Congress is controlled by a foreign nation that does not have America's best interests in mind. The speaker cites a vote to cut $500 million from going to Israel, alleging it goes towards bombing kids, and claims 455 people voted to keep it, while only six voted against it. Marjorie Taylor Greene is praised for opposing the funding. The speaker asserts Israel controls the United States 100% and suggests people should investigate how much money each congressperson has taken from APAC, which they describe as an Israeli funding service. They also allege most members of Congress are probably on the Epstein list.

Speaker claims: "Israel has an overwhelming lobby over the United States government, and we have unconditionally supported them." He cites "BB Netanyahu came to our congress in the nineties, told us a list of countries that we need to take out. Some were Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, etcetera." He adds "Through those wars, we have lost trillions of dollars" and "We have lost American servicemen." He asserts "They don't teach about the USS Liberty, where Israel literally came, blew up an American ship because they want us to get in their war with, Egypt and they don't teach that in school." He asks "Why is there this societal taboo around criticisms of Israel? For example, APAC doesn't have to register as a foreign lobby, but like the Australia lobby does. And the it just That should be changed. I That should be corrected." Finally, "Look. I I am not gonna say Israel should have any special privileges. None."

"Israel is the only country I know of that has some sort of incredible influence and control over nearly every single one of my colleagues." "Because APAC are Americans, therefore, they can legally donate to members of congress and senators." "Freshman, member of congress, or first year in congress, they take them on a very special trip to Israel in August." "That's Dems the and Republicans or just Republicans? They take both of them. Yes." "So they take them on this trip to Israel." "They wear the, kippah." "They and even though they're Christians. They're they're not Jewish, but yet they're adorning, Jewish attire, and they're at these Jewish, religious sites." "The Israeli government is secular." "This is not the biblical Israel." "It is the secular government of Israel."

The discussion centers on claims drawn from “Epstein files.” Speaker 1 says they found information “nobody else found,” highlighting Catherine Rumler, described as Barack Obama’s White House counsel and later general counsel for Goldman Sachs. Speaker 1 claims Rumler was “very, very close to Jeffrey Epstein,” with “constant” email exchanges. They cite emails in the latest tranche where Rumler tells Epstein that John Brennan, director of the CIA, “gave me the CIA’s highest honor this morning,” and where she tells Epstein she will arrange for him to be in Washington next Tuesday and sets up a meeting with Brennan. Speaker 1 asks whether there was contact between Jeffrey Epstein and John Brennan, noting Brennan “is not talking,” and states that “3,000,000 more documents” have not yet been released, and “of the ones that haven’t been deleted possibly” suggests permanent deletion may have occurred. They say people are expected to “take their words for it.” Speaker 0 suggests focusing narrowly on portions of the files involving sex trafficking and billionaires abusing kids, but Speaker 1 argues that zooming out shows “arms deals” and “collaborations across intelligence.” Speaker 1 says the theme everyone should focus on is that Epstein was “an Israeli access agent,” claiming certainty about this position. Speaker 1 says the next tranche (described as “3,000,000,” “like 2,700,000 documents”) shows Epstein trying to work for the CIA and possibly doing something with the CIA. They state they “don’t know yet” and that Epstein “didn’t authorize that.” Speaker 1 adds that Epstein was also working with MI5 and MI6 in the UK, “possibly the Germans,” and “definitely the Israelis.” They claim Epstein repeatedly tried to secure a one-on-one meeting with Vladimir Putin, was denied repeatedly, and eventually was offered a meeting with Putin and three others; Epstein declined and wanted only Putin alone, after which “the Russians walked away.” The conversation concludes with discussion of “Israeli connections,” including Speaker 0 saying that when they asked Congress people about it “today and yesterday,” they “run screaming from the room.” Speaker 0 also notes that the topic is sometimes turned into a Democrat-versus-Republican issue rather than something broader, and Speaker 1 replies: “And it’s not. They’re both corrupt.”

Ted Pike and his wife Alin argue that Israel operates the most powerful lobby in Congress through APAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. They claim that through this influence, Israel demands and receives nearly $5,000,000,000 annually. They assert that no elected official dares criticize Israel for fear that the Jewish lobby will accuse him of antisemitism, the kiss of death for any politician. They state that the president also knows what Israel wants and that Israel gets it; acting otherwise is political suicide. They claim the mass media, founded and controlled primarily by Jews, manipulates the spigot of information from which Heartland America drinks, and that the message is: if you criticize Israel, you are antisemitic. They warn listeners to be safe, keep their heads down, or they are fair game for being knocked off by the Zionist shooting gallery. Speaker 1 adds that as a result, our president and elected officials are slaves to political correctness when it comes to Jews and Israel. They cannot seriously criticize Israel, especially as the source of Mideast strike and terrorism. They cannot suggest an end of aid to Israel. They cannot even protest Zionist control of Congress.

As president of The United States, I will always support Jewish Americans and I was always I will always be a friend and a champion to the Jewish people. I have been and I will say, you know, if you go back ten, twelve, fifteen years ago at the most, the strongest lobby in Washington was the Jewish lobby. It was Israel. That's no longer true. You have to be very careful. You have a congress in particular, which is becoming anti Semitic. You have AOC plus three. You have those people. Ilhan Omar, she hates Jewish people. And you have to be very careful because there's been a big change. You know, if you go back fifteen years ago, I'm not Jewish, but my father was very friendly with many, many Jewish people. He was honored by federation. I would go with him to federation of Jewish philanthropies and many other things. And, we grew up respecting and loving Jewish people. You know, you don't even think about it, in Brooklyn, in Queens mostly. And my father didn't go to Manhattan. He never went to Manhattan from the standpoint. He could never understand how in Brooklyn you could buy a piece of land for $3 a foot and how in Manhattan you had to pay a thousand dollars a foot. He said, I can't get that. I don't like it. I like to buy it for 3. So it was different. It's a different thinking. In a way, I'm glad he didn't do that because he let me have some of that fun. And it was I had a lot of fun in Manhattan. We did great. But my father would tell me the most powerful lobby that there is in this country is the Jewish lobby. It's the Israeli lobby. It's not that way anymore. You have a lot of people in your way. You have a lot of people that, don't wanna help Israel. You have a lot of people in congress that don't like Israel. You have a lot of people in congress that, in a way, I think, Mike, we could say it. Right? You're there. You're doing an amazing job, Mike Lawlor. You they hate they hate Israel. They hate Israel. And if you would have told me fifteen years ago that that was possible, Jason, I would have said there's no way. There's no way that's possible. But it's happening. And, obviously, it's getting progressively worse. Less so in the Senate, but the Senate's starting also. You get glimmers, you know, when I'm in the back rooms talking to people. You get glimmers of statements that you say, woah, where did that come from? So we have to be, Sid, we have to be very careful because it's bad things are happening. And then you see what goes on in Australia or October 7. How about October 7? And then you have people that deny it ever happened. How about the people that deny like, they deny the Holocaust, but, you know, you figure, well, that's just many years. Well, October 7 is not many years at all. And you have people that deny October's I saw tape that I wish I never saw it, actually. I wish I never saw it. I got to see tape that some of you got to see. But as president, I got to see things I wish I never saw. But there's no denying it. But then they'll say, oh, the tape was a rigged tape. It was a tape that never existed. They made it up. It's just propaganda. I don't know if they believe it. I don't think they believe it, but you have to be very, very careful. Bad things are happening, and we're not gonna let that happen. Well, I'm president and the DOJ and Harmeet, we're not we're not gonna let it happen. But please, please be vigilant and careful because you have some bad people that, are now in congress that were unthinkable unthinkable to be in congress twelve, thirteen, fourteen years ago, fifteen years ago. Within

Speaker 0 believes the Jewish lobby in the United States is too powerful, even for Israel's interests, because they pressure too many people. This pressure, exerted through various means, ultimately doesn't help Israel. The president of the United States pays attention to this lobby because they are strong and control many things. When asked to elaborate on what they control, Speaker 0 lists newspapers, media, banks, and finances. Speaker 1 expresses surprise and asks if Speaker 0 really believes the Jewish community in the United States is that powerful.

The discussion centers on how politicization of intelligence has manifested in different eras, comparing past and present administrations. Speaker 0 asks whether the politicized weapons claims about Iraq and the CIA’s statements in the 1990s can be compared to today’s politicization of intelligence under John Ratcliffe and Tulsi Gabbard as head of DNI, arguing it is much worse now because of the mediocrity of those in control of key agencies. Speaker 1 counters by recalling the 1980s, noting that there was significant politicization of the Soviet threat to justify Reagan’s defense buildup, and adds that this is why he testified against Robert Gates in 1991. He asserts that politicization is bad, and insists that the current situation is worse than in the past. Speaker 1 explains: “It’s Because I look at the people who are ahead of these groups. Come on. Let’s be serious.” He targets the leadership of the director of national intelligence, the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and the CIA, saying, “Have you ever seen a cabinet in The United States of such mediocrity, of such venality?” He emphasizes his background, stating, “I haven’t,” and that nothing compares to what is going on now, warning that “a lot of damage is being done to The United States and to the constitution of The United States and to the importance of separation of powers and the importance of rule of law and the importance of checks and balances. This is very serious stuff.” Speaker 0 attempts to steer toward historical figures like Robert Maxwell, but Speaker 1 dismisses that concern as off point, insisting he is making a point about Israel. The exchange then shifts to U.S. support for Israel, with Speaker 1 asserting that “Israel gets what it wants from The United States. It gets it from democratic presidents and from republican presidents.” He also criticizes Barack Obama for signing what he calls “that ten year $40,000,000,000 arms aid agreement,” arguing that Obama “never should have signed” it “because they treated Obama so shabbily in the first place.”

The transcript presents a fringe, highly charged discussion about perceived Israeli influence in the United States, Trump’s shift from “America first” to “Israel first,” and related political dynamics. The speakers repeatedly claim that Israel controls the U.S. government and American foreign policy, with several variations such as “Israel's controlling our government,” “Israel controls us,” and “The government of Israel controls The United States.” They assert that Israel has run American foreign policy for thirty years and that the United States government is taking edicts from Israel, describing it as an “Israel first administration.” As the discussion progresses, the speakers describe discomfort with America’s relationship with Israeli leaders, calling the Israeli government a “satanic regime” and suggesting it seeks to cause pain. They contrast Trump’s campaign promises of “America first” with his alleged current actions, arguing that he has escalated a war on behalf of Israel and turned on earlier allies who did not toe the Israel-first line. They claim Trump has allied with politicians and influencers who are unpopular with his former base, and that he endorses a “massive war on behalf of Israel that he promised he would never start.” They point to specific figures affected by these changes, including those who supported or criticized Trump and Israel. The discussion names individuals and entities linked to the shift, including Charlie Kirk. They claim Kirk was influential against the Iran war and withdrew support for Israel prior to his death; Erica Kirk allegedly took over TPUSA to continue Charlie Kirk’s legacy but allegedly did so in a way that opposes Kirk’s earlier stance, endorsing Massey’s Israel-funded opponent and labeling Massey a “rhino.” They argue donors pressured Kirk to change his stance, leading TPUSA to distance itself from Kirk’s legacy and to align with an Israel-funding candidate backed by Trump. The speakers claim broad consequences for Trump’s base: those who call for justice with the Epstein files, those suspicious of Israel, and those who question Erica Kirk are said to have been blackballed or marginalized. Conversely, supporters of the new Trump are described as urging to move on from Epstein, unconditionally supporting Israel, and reacting strongly to any critique of Erica Kirk. A recurring theme is a critique of Zionism as a political ideology; the speakers distinguish between “Israel” and “Zionism” and argue Zionism controls both the U.S. and Israel. They challenge religious claims that Israel is “God’s chosen people,” offering a Christian critique of that idea and asserting separations of church and state in the U.S. The discussion includes references to alleged silencing mechanisms, narrative control, and tribalism as a “SIOP” framework, describing three characteristics: silencing opposing ideas, a strong narrative, and tribalism. They illustrate these with examples such as censorship of anti-Israel sentiment or questions about Israel, accusations about a fixed narrative like “Israel is our greatest ally,” and the exclusion of dissenting voices. The speakers conclude by asserting that while Israel does not control the U.S., Zionism appears to influence both countries, and that the root issue is the influence of Zionism rather than a single country’s leadership. They urge viewers to speak up while suggesting the changes reflect a broader, troubling shift in political power, ending with a night-time sign-off and personal recovery product plugs being referenced but later deemphasized.

The speaker believes that the Jewish lobby in the United States is too powerful and sometimes disrupts Israel's interests. They claim that the lobby controls various aspects such as newspapers, media, banks, and finances. The interviewer questions the speaker's belief, asking if they truly think the Jewish community has such influence over the media and policy. The speaker confirms their belief.

There are claims of a powerful Jewish lobby controlling Congress, funding campaigns against dissenting members. Republicans show intense support for Israel, threatening those who criticize. Concerns raised about Israel's actions in Gaza and influence over US policy. Allegations of Congress being bought and paid for by Israel, prioritizing foreign interests over American citizens. Predictions of Palestinians being displaced as Israel expands control. Calls for increased funding to Israel despite domestic needs.

Since 2021, Congress has voted on 22 resolutions for Israel, including denouncing antisemitism and supporting Israel. The congressperson stated they voted no on the last resolution and present on the one before that because they were getting sick of it. Republicans in Congress are always talking about Israel, and it feels like something has changed. Members of Congress constantly proclaim their faith and loyalty to Israel, stating that Israel is their greatest ally. The congressperson questions what about America and Americans, given the $37 trillion in debt and the struggles of younger generations to afford rent, housing, insurance, cars, and find good-paying jobs. They live paycheck to paycheck with stacked credit card bills and feel hopeless about realizing the American dream. Yet, in Congress, everyone is chasing and proclaiming their loyalty to a foreign country.

The speaker believes Israel controls US foreign and domestic policy through lobbying. They argue this influence has led to one-sided policies, creating enemies and terrorism. The speaker criticizes the power of the Israeli lobby over Congress, warning it will harm both countries in the long run. They deny being anti-Semitic and express concern for America's future. Despite facing backlash, they stand by their statement. The speaker emphasizes the need for objectivity in policymaking to address pressing issues facing the nation.